What are you worth - VERSION II

[Connor_Graham]

However, if the majority of players spends most of their time to increase wealth and items instead of actually playing the game, it says a lot about the game mechanics.

You have to actually play the game to acquire the gold. The gold doesn't breed and multiply when you're not logged in, and besides, who are you or anyone else to say how another person should be spending their time when they are logged in? UO is what it is because it gives the freedom to play as you like, not how it's predetermined as in a game like WoW.

 

[the 4th man]

The current total of people to vote stands somewhere between 1/8th and a 1/4 of 1% of UO's population, "IF" the games population was 75,000 players.

I haven't that data in front of me.....but my point is, this poll pretty much represents stratics addicts........pointless actually, except to allow bragging,arrogance, and greed......ah, the finer virtues of UO.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

You have to actually play the game to acquire the gold. The gold doesn't breed and multiply when you're not logged in, and besides, who are you or anyone else to say how another person should be spending their time when they are logged in? UO is what it is because it gives the freedom to play as you like, not how it's predetermined as in a game like WoW.

Exactly Conner. Very funny. My gold doesnt breed even after fertility drugs.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

So 70% of the Stratics users have more than 50 million gold.

That shows pretty clearly what is wrong with this game. Making that much gold cannot be done by "regular" gameplay. In order to make so much gold, your gameplay has to be item centered. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with playing that way. However, if the majority of players spends most of their time to increase wealth and items instead of actually playing the game, it says a lot about the game mechanics.

I mean, who would really bother going through this when it was more exciting to go on adventures?

ARGH YES IT CAN. How many times do I have to say it.

Take a million, crush glass, sell it and you have 4 million. Takes about 2 hours to make it. 5-7 days to sell it. Not hard.

By XMAS ticktes for 300k. Sell them for 500k.

Open Xmas tickets, sell the angel box.

Do an EM event. Get something - sell the DANG COOKIES for 3 million.

Before you know it youll have 25- 50 million in a month

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

It is really hard to estimate an overall total value of someones UO holdings.
I my special case, most of my characters value comes from things that I dont use/couldnt yet to decide on. Like 7 vet rewards (4-5years and 3-3years if my memory serves me well) or an unused pre-patch golem (100 poison resist= or, or, or. What about Soulstones? Actually you can get good prices on tokens but claimed ones are useless for anyone else (and therefore without value).
I guess actually the question should not be, 'How many gold would get, if you would sell everything?' but morelike 'How many gold would you need to spent, to replace/build a copy of your uo-belongings?'
I gave an estimate value of 25-50 mills but when I look at those items, it always feel like beeing nobody among all those super-riches. On the other hand ... with 5 full soulstones on my acc(s) and seven more to pick up from vet rewards, I would need around 12* 12-14 mills only to replace them, if I should loose them. (And if I could find enough of them for sale.)EX



I really dont know, why I am not uber rich ... Maybe becourse I am too lazy to follow those simple patterns to make money. Or maybe course I guess it would feel more as working a game instead of playing it.
And if someone wonders, why I have highlighted something of that quote .... You can buy glass swords from the blacksmith npcs of Ter-Mur. I always wonder, why some ppl are not fully consequent, when they build up such a pattern. Maybe some of you should work on learning the games principles instead of breaking their minds about getting rich online.

Exactly, NPC's
Its farming cause it take a bit of time for them to be restocked. Its not instant respawn. But they do restock in multiples.

 

[Suzzy]

If you know what you're doing making millions legitimately by selling stuff is very easy. Everyone plays the game for different reasons, that is why Ultima is so great. Other MMO's are linear and force you to go a certain path at times. UO allows you to choose your own path and play the game the way you want to. That is what has kept me active over all these years. I have personally evolved from a resource gatherer, to a hunter, to a pvper, to a crafter, to a wares trader, and finally to a rares collector. It's all about what you consider fun.

 

[Stupid Miner]

That shows pretty clearly what is wrong with this game. Making that much gold cannot be done by "regular" gameplay. In order to make so much gold, your gameplay has to be item centered. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with playing that way.

...playing the game and earning money aren't mutually exclusive

Oh and don't take this poll as indicative of the general UO player-base.
Stratics users tend to know more, so they tend to earn more.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

...playing the game and earning money aren't mutually exclusive

I know.
I was refering to things like:

"Take 2 million gold. Find blue diamonds 1 million for 100. (I JUST BOUGHT SOME IN LUNA atlantic). You need 110 blacksmithing. Go farm glass swords. Make crushed glass for about 10-15k each. Sell it for 40k each. Now rinse and repeat."

"By XMAS ticktes for 300k. Sell them for 500k."

"Do an EM event. Get something - sell the DANG COOKIES for 3 million."

I'm referring to those tasks that are only targeted at accumulating more wealth. Same as waiting at an IDOC to gather the dropping items.

 

[UOKaiser]

I know.
I was refering to things like:



I'm referring to those tasks that are only targeted at accumulating more wealth. Same as waiting at an IDOC to gather the dropping items.

People used to collect items from monsters to improve power and sell the rest. people used to collect daily rares to sell, people used to hunt high end monster for more gold and items they can sell, people used to go to doom for gold-treasure and rare drops to use and sell the rest. I mean people still play diablo till this day trying to get better equipment. Why should they when they already beat the game? Simple to have more. I think the point of playing any game is to beat it. How about after you beat it or there is no ending what then you simply get better items and more treasure. How you do it is up to the game mechanics. Thats what is called playing a game.
Then Uo has the other side which is pvp. Whats the point of pvp? It's to win against the other player. What of players who don't like pvp? Well they collect and increase wealth. 11 years later I think by then most vets have already killed everything in the game multiple times. So what then? increase wealth and collect. Play a merchant, a rare collector,a auctioner,stand around looking pretty,organize events,Collect homes,become a realtor,etc...Posabilities are endless.Many of them include amassing wealth. If the game closes tommorrow will anything that was done matter? maybe or maybe not but they sure enjoyed the ride to get there. They pay monthly might as well enjoy it the way they want.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I know.
I was refering to things like:



I'm referring to those tasks that are only targeted at accumulating more wealth. Same as waiting at an IDOC to gather the dropping items.

Pike you got right and wrong.

I need a travesty mask of taming. I can

A) SPEND WEEKS and MONTHS fighting her to get one.
B) Sell crushed glass, xmas tickets, and buy one.


I choose B. Saves me about 832 game hours.

 

[ACB1961]

I don't know what I'm worth, but I spent at least 2.3 b in last 120 days.

I have to work hard because I sure spend hard.

On the upside I'll have 28 or 29 12th year rewards by March. I probably won't use them though. There's just no real way to calculate our worth because it vastly changes. Plus, my dad always said what you have is worth what you can get for it. Most items people have cannot be sold. We have rares worth 100s of ms on the sites, but no one is going to actually buy any of it. Lets say for arguments sake a rich person is worth 10b. 10b is worth maybe 5k real life. That's not a whole lot of 12 years of our life now is it?

 

[LadyNico]

Dirt poor spud farmer, me. Asset rich, gold poor.

Despite 7 legendary tamers of varying templates, I simply haven't the interest or endurance required for gold farming. I prefer actively taming critters. The more difficult and dangerous a critter is, the more I enjoy taming it.

If I have need of some particular item or piece of armour or kit, then I actually enjoy working towards it.

Your animals might put you in the 10's of million range if you are that passionate in taming even more.

Oh, I'm quite easily in the mid to upper 100's of mils just in pets. In gold, however, I am the `dirt poor potato farmer' as described in the poll above.

 

[NuSair]

While an interesting conversation in concept, I feel that duping and scripting make the conversation superfluous.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

Pike you got right and wrong.

I need a travesty mask of taming. I can

A) SPEND WEEKS and MONTHS fighting her to get one.
B) Sell crushed glass, xmas tickets, and buy one.


I choose B. Saves me about 832 game hours.

And it saves you about 832 game hours of fun and exploring.
But you probably are a veteran who already has explored everything.

P.S.: I bet you could play UO without that mask just as well.

 

[Sir David]

Assuming we are not just counting checks and doing a conservative estimate on items I have between 500 million to a billion.

However, I have a house on Atlantic in Luna; I wonder how much that is worth?

Oh, I've played non-stop since January 1999, so I probably should have more. But then, I am playing the game to have fun.

 

[UOKaiser]

Assuming we are not just counting checks and doing a conservative estimate on items I have between 500 million to a billion.

However, I have a house on Atlantic in Luna; I wonder how much that is worth?

Oh, I've played non-stop since January 1999, so I probably should have more. But then, I am playing the game to have fun.

People only accept cash for there luna house. So billions in gold.

 

[UOKaiser]

I don't know what I'm worth, but I spent at least 2.3 b in last 120 days.

I have to work hard because I sure spend hard.

On the upside I'll have 28 or 29 12th year rewards by March. I probably won't use them though. There's just no real way to calculate our worth because it vastly changes. Plus, my dad always said what you have is worth what you can get for it. Most items people have cannot be sold. We have rares worth 100s of ms on the sites, but no one is going to actually buy any of it. Lets say for arguments sake a rich person is worth 10b. 10b is worth maybe 5k real life. That's not a whole lot of 12 years of our life now is it?

We can always go by current pricing to try to evaluate our current worth. The rares worth that much will be bought up by collectors and museums in no time usually for a bit more than there worth.

 

[UOKaiser]

While an interesting conversation in concept, I feel that duping and scripting make the conversation superfluous.

Conversation is still valad. Scripting could only keep up with power gamers so it's already priced in in the economy. Duping is a whole different anymal.

When that comes in the whole economy collapses while it's still around till EA patches the hole. Lucky we haven't had a pure gold dupe in the longest and we already priced in the effects of the last one many years ago when gold was created out of nowhere.
Item dupe are much easier to price in as the gold is still of existing players gold which only changes hands and the items being duped lose value in a very short time usually takes foever for those items to recover.
Oh man I don't even want to think of another gold dupe ever coming to UO I don't think I can take anymore of that.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

And it saves you about 832 game hours of fun and exploring.
But you probably are a veteran who already has explored everything.

P.S.: I bet you could play UO without that mask just as well.

I dont really need the mask. It was an example. I dont even have a tamer.

I play without all that crap.

A mage and partial reg suit
Not even 70's across.

You dont need much more then that. Oh yeah a mage bow.

For my warrior a slayer when appropriate.

Ethy

Thats all I need.

 

[roninaxx]

The posters here are powergamers. Totally different from the majority who are casual players.

What is 2 billion in UO anyway? $1,000 IRL. The average western gamer could buy 2 billion in UO gold for a weeks work.

Casual players dont want to grind grind grind. They want entertainment. Who is stupid enough to kill the same monster over and over every day for 3 hours for a week, when they could just spend 1/2 hour instead working IRL and use that money to buy gold, then the other 20.5 hours having fun in UO. That is why EA should sell gold, because it is going to be generated by scriptors and players anyway, providing they also put in good gold sinks into the system.

not sure I'd consider myself a power gamer but long life and very old accounts let me own enough houses to store many years worth of items and for some reason people will pay tons for pixel crack as my guildies call my horde. so yes with 6-12 hours a week since april of 2000 I'm in the 2 billion range with out sell anything from my collection but at anytime I'm subject to see a shiny and be broke agian .