Vet rewards should be useable at any account age.

[Lady Aalia]

Well little me is planning on chosing the Metal dye tub , wich i will set out in my Library for everyone.

And as i did when the runebooke and statue tub came out will be happy to dye whatever needs to be dyed.
Whoever knows me , knows that i wont be walking off with any arti but Donations are welcome

 

[Fink]

Can you imagine starting UO today and having to wait 2 years to dye leather?

Uhm.. no need to imagine it, most of us did have to wait 2 years to dye leather. That's why they're called veteran rewards, not newbie rewards.

There's nothing wrong with basic tanned leather, it'd actually be somewhat refreshing to see. Once upon a time, leather wasn't even available in spined/horned/barbed varieties, so now there's much more choice prior to adding dyes.

Try asking a guildmate or trusted player with a vet account to dye stuff for you. Most would do it for free. Then there's Pigments of Tokuno, pretty sure you don't need to be a vet to use those.

A lot of us had to wait 3 years to ride an ethereal mount, but now you can get a Charger whenever. Result; nobody rides horses/llamas/ostards anymore. Flesh and blood mounts are almost non-existent unless they're also a forge, or packie, or uber pet.

Seems like every other person's on a Charger. You give a person freedom of choice and they generally pick whatever their other idiot friends are doing.

*edit*

All other arguments aside, I really don't see anything on the veteran rewards list that's so damned critical or unbalancing.

Monster Statuettes - Can buy these from a player vendor, have a friend toggle it the way you want or dye it, then lock it down.

+2 AR Cloaks/Robes - Hardly a major advantage when they're giving away full-resist suits for free. The cloaks use up the quiver slot anyway.

Ethereal Steeds - Charger, $9.95.

House Add-Ons - Again, buy from a player vendor and have a friend place it.

Misc - Red soulstone $9.95, Weapon engraver, just seek out a vet who'll do the work for you.

Dye Tubs -
- Black/Special (get your clothing/cloth bolts dyed)
- Furniture (use coloured lumber)
- Leather (decide on your suit then have it dyed/pigmented)
- Runebook (buy coloured books from a scribe vendor)
- Statuette (ask a vet or look for a vendor)

Basically everything there is either available via player vendors, EA, or a helpful vet. Almost all of it is decorative, so it's not as if it's some unholy pvm/pvp advantage. Nothing there that can't be overcome with a bit of patience or social networking.

Most of the tubs there, you'd only want to use once or twice anyway. I have a near-full set of tubs, the only one I lack is the statuette tub as I haven't found one for sale. I could claim the tub, but as I've used a public tub maybe 4 times in the last three years I'll do without.

 

[Deadly Shadow]

IMO well said FINK

 

[T_Amon_from_work]

I like the current system of claiming the rewards at 1 year, 2 years, etc... but they should be useable by anyone.

Can you imagine starting UO today and having to wait 2 years to dye leather? It is an idea that has outlived it's time.

Usable by anyone ... no. By anyone on the account - as it is now - yes.

As others have said - you want that fancy trinket, then wait for it like the rest of us did.

 

[o2bavr6]

Uhm.. no need to imagine it, most of us did have to wait 2 years to dye leather. That's why they're called veteran rewards, not newbie rewards.

Good post Fink

New players dont take into account things like blacksmiths. when the game first started if you didnt have a smith you had to rely on or trust people to fix your stuff.

Because so many lazy people complained they introduced repair deeds.

All of you are into instant gratification and because of this you are not loyal custoemrs and are probably the ones prone to moving on the the next flavor of the day game.

I've played since 1997. I have put my time in, you havent. Deal with it, if you cant, buy a vet account.

To those who say that new players are afraid they may lose thier items to the person who will dye the stuff, I say this:
There couldnt be any item a newbie character has that a vet would want. I would die you Hat of the Magi for you if you wanted. You see a fair portion of us vets are multi-millionaires, we dont need your stupid Armor of Fortune or Ornament of the Magician, we have lots of them as it is.

Granted there are griefers who may steal them, but you should have some knowledge of the person dying for you anyway. Also you can joina guild, after a few months you know who to trust and who not to trust.

I think all of you whiners should play Test Center exclusively, cause they way you talk you want the production shards to be just like TC.

 

[greatpumpkinator]

118 months myself, I waited and waited and waited to be able to get my polar bear, and Ill be dammed if I see some newbie runnin around with one. This thread is pointless, stop whining suck it up and wait, just like everyone else did.

What he said.

 

[Scratch]

there are really only two vet rewards worth claiming in my opinion

ethys and soulstones
ethys are now useless if you buy a charger from ea on a token
soulstones are only one yr vet rewards and can also be bought via a token

dye tubs and neat but serve no advantage
statues are deco crap
vet robes are ok but i really think they are as useless as the snakeskin boots

vets quit all the time
buy their accts ride their rewards
although i stated before that if an acct is sold it should be reset to maybe a yr old at best

my current acct is only 42 months
but the one i lost to the ban hammer would be about 121 or so by now

 

[WildWobble]

Newbie Post I for one am of two minds on this issue though it would be very nice to use the vet dye tubs and i think the account age restriction on the dye tubs is a little bit stupid since two can be used at any age special and black! i do however think the vet rewards non dye job related are good incentives to play. I look forward to the day i get my skill cap increases and my first ethy mount and OH MAN I SO WANT A CANNON but odds are very good unless this game figures out how to get more players and starts to rock again i doubt i will be sticking around to long i may see 2 years but i have my doubts i have gotten strong enough to solo dark father dread trav and meli allready not to much more to kill and keep me interested though my free luna house might keep my attention on uo awhile.. never know.. Oh ya and all you vets most of you are just noobs now days anyhow i have met more of the vets that know very little about the game and don't have a clue when it comes to the way things work that i think vet rewards should go to vets real ones you know ppl who get x mega monster kills say 1000 peerless or darkfathers you get rewarded for your fight against the evil and are given a cool reward anyone can sit and pancake about the game all day long and never die because they never go out of town.. takes guts to go hunt!! And No Crafters should not have somthing simular they allready have that, its called bods though the neglected crafts need some love I love cooking up apples an grapes with a few fruit bowls but thats about all a cook is good for aside from role playing. And Come on Give the alcamist bowyer carpenters tinkers and cooks somthing worth trying for.. and dont give me heartwood quests they are lame!! 10000 later i get my first crummy runic wtf ok i exagerate but was still way over 500 quests before i saw my first fletcher kit ash mind you so least it wasent oak heh but give the quests a counter or somthing so that the ppl who dont script them all day long have a chance of getting a good runic or recipy now and then... if i do 10 a day i may never see anything and to be honest i dont do 10 i usually do 100 when i in the mood to get pissed off at elves mabe once a month... Do Somthing Plz

On a side note i have gotten every bug i have reported fixed and think they are doing a decent job of things the only thing is All you lazy people need to acctually fill out the bug reports to see it fixed not just complain about it on this forum!!! they have a way of doing things and the bug report is Just that

 

[Wenchkin]

Heh heh!
Reminds me of old people who are "entitled" to their SS discount.
Shouldn't they just be grateful they're here to claim that discount? Shouldn't you all be glad your game is still here after 10 years?

We don't earn these rewards. They are GIVEN to us just like holiday gifts.

And not one of you has come up with a logical reason why dye tubs should be used only by vets.

I'm waiting for a logical reason why anyone *needs* a single vet reward when they start. Or how we think a true newbie will know what to pick and not "waste" points on items that are of no use to them.

I just find this funny, I play 3 MMOs and all have rewards based on the time a player's been in game. Yet for some reason UO players seem to think this is now a Bad Thing. Bizarre...

Tell you what, let's propose that all newbies get a token with say 5 choices per char of rewards on the day they start. Let them pick as they wish. No reward for long term customers at all. Now I'm not worried about that, I'd get access to rewards I'm too young for, and I'm a big fan of all players having a crack at things. But the thing is, I think it's just nice to mark each year I play UO with a new choice of gift. It's a little token that EA might, on some level, appreciate us sticking around. Much as you guys object to the age requirement, I think you'd miss that on some level too.

Wenchy

 

[timbeOFbaja]

Good post Fink
I've played since 1997. I have put my time in, you havent. Deal with it, if you cant, buy a vet account.

You're just the kind of player EA should pander to. The ones who equate playing a video game with putting time in.

 

[ColterDC]

As long as the rewards don't give someone an advantage in combat, then there's nothing wrong with having rewards for vets only.

With that being said I think the skill cap of 720 should be given to all players.

 

[Heartseeker]

Wenchkin are you for real?

Do you actually want a newbie to wait 10 more years for his polar bear?

This game is lucky if it lasts another 10 months.

Man, you people are so stuck up it isn't funny.

Just because you had to go through crap doesn't mean anyone else should.

This game needs as many incentives as it can can get to attract people; or do you enjoy playing with no one.

 

[DebiHIS]

If a newbie buys the old acct., you just might see them riding that bear, lol.
The time limits are way too long, ive had friends try the game, then when they saw the cost of items, and the restrictions, they said no thanks.
No different than the afk people that GM a skill in a couple days, lol.

 

[AesSedai]

- lol.
Vet rewards (that have zero advantage now with the charger of the fallen, aside from the potential +6 physical resist bonus from the robe/cloak/and perhaps dresses are rewards for long-term accounts. It is an incentive to continue playing, which is a grand inducer, even for 1 day-old veterans.
Your OP is proof.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Do you actually want a newbie to wait 10 more years for his polar bear?

Hell yes. I say the fewer polar bears we see the better.

 

[Flora Green]

The ONLY thing I alluded to is ANYONE being able to use the dye tubs and ANY age, Wenchkin. Want to leave the rewards as having to be claimed at a certain age, fine. But, anyone should be able to use them if they are set to public.

The rest of your post means nothing to me because it doesn't apply to anything I said. There is simply no reason to require new players to wait to use the furniture and leather tubs. Still haven't seen that reason why they should since the black and special can be used by anyone. And saying "well I had to wait, they should too" isn't a reason.

 

[Cysphruo]

its in the name, its a veteran reward

but waiting years to use something is a bit depressing, maybe add a feature to the site where you can buy a vet account, people sell them anyways, just make them really expensive.

 

[Draxous]

The ONLY thing I alluded to is ANYONE being able to use the dye tubs and ANY age, Wenchkin.

Same thing that I had alluded to...

but, you know... how many posts in this thread are about, "no, screw you and just wait because we don't want to discuss anything related to this subject at all."

Its not like the majority of us are asking for anyone to just give these rewards to new players... the only thing we're really asking is for them to release the age restrictions on "using" the dye-tubs.

My account's well over 125 months (when it finally updates) and I'm not for handing anyone the rewards I've sat here and earned through almost 11 years of in-game play.

However, why's everyone and their mother's panties all in a bunch over allowing newbies use of a stupid dye tub... you don't care if they wear the leather thats dyed... you can't stop them from owning the tub... but, you all want to pancake about letting them double click it?

seriously... what kind of sense does that make?

 

[azmodanb]

I see what you mean but do not agree, its not like you can't wear dyed armor... plus it's very easy to find someone that will dye your leather for you, without having to worry about them stealing it.

Get some people you trust, and have played with for a while, ask them to dye it. It's never a bother to dye someone's leather for them... most of the time newer players armor is not the "best" anyways and has little to no temptation for theft.

Trusting people in a game though of course brings up more issues, but a good rule of thumb would be ... get to know people, play with them... if they have trusted you with items, you can trust them to dye your leather.

Making vet rewards for everyone would be going against what a vet reward is... making them just "items" rather then something someone earned. Most vets went though a time where you could not even dye armor, leather etc... we all waited years for that to even be published. I think it's not to much to ask for someone to wait two years to dye there own. Or get an ethy or any other vet reward out there.

I understand it can be frusterating but you have to understand the point of view of the players who "earned" those vet rewards by playing for years.

You can also get yourself a "vet" account ... by buying one if you "can't" wait that long to do the simple task of dying your armor. You can also just cover up your "leather" color with clothing.. that is dyable at any age.

 

[Draxous]

you have to understand the point of view of the players who "earned" those vet rewards by playing for years.

So then, why can't you understand my point of view?

????

 

[Yalp]

I have gone to the same retail shop over the years because the owners appreciate my patronage and give me little extras. I could shop somewhere else, save a nickle or two.. but I like the products and I like the company that sells them.. and they say thank you back by giving me some rewards..which you could call vet rewards. That's the point of them, that's the design of them.. to reward loyal customers.

Become a loyal customer and get some goodies..

LORD Yalp of Zento, CTDM

 

[Flora Green]

As a newbie WARRIOR I didn't care that much about dyed armor for battle. What I didn't like as a MERCHANT (which Miss Echo's post sums up nicely) was having to track down someone, hopefully trust them, and ask them to dye multiple sets of armor for my shop. Same with trying to find people who would dye multiple kegs for my potions. Read Miss Echo's post where she is referencing setting up a rune library that is color coded.

I love how it's okay to use two tubs regardless of age, but not all of them. Very logical and consistent.

 

[Wenchkin]

Wenchkin are you for real?

Do you actually want a newbie to wait 10 more years for his polar bear?

It's an ethy mount in the shape of a polar bear. Whoopee! I honestly don't see it as a Big Deal in the way you obviously do. It's a mount. You get exactly the same function from the charger of the fallen. With bonding, a normal horse is just as good. Again, no new player needs a polar bear. It's a gift, nothing more.

Man, you people are so stuck up it isn't funny.

Maybe I just don't get all jittery about pixel crack as you do? I've got about 6 rewards to claim on 1 account and 3 on my second. That gives you an idea of how excited I get about vet rewards. But you keep up the name calling if it makes you feel good. It's always a good tactic when you can't understand another person has different views to your own.

Just because you had to go through crap doesn't mean anyone else should.

Had to go through crap? How exactly? Playing a game I enjoyed for a few years? Mmm, I can see how that would be "crap" for a new player. Yeah, I have to play UO for a few years being forced to enjoy a great game, what torture! Do you ask your family for birthday gifts for the next 10 years too? How crap would that be? You'd get a stack of gifts then no birthday each year after that. Yeah, I can see how your idea would take off with the newbies.

This game needs as many incentives as it can can get to attract people; or do you enjoy playing with no one.

Yeah, everyone wants to come play with players who demand pixel crack, gifts and toys like spoiled children. I was taught that an attitude like that would get me nothing and rightly so. If UO fills up with demanding brats, you won't have to worry about me playing around you.

Though it's funny you talk about encouraging people to play UO, what about encouraging them to stick around? The whole vet reward system does just that...

Wenchy

 

[Wenchkin]

The ONLY thing I alluded to is ANYONE being able to use the dye tubs and ANY age, Wenchkin. Want to leave the rewards as having to be claimed at a certain age, fine. But, anyone should be able to use them if they are set to public.

If we removed dye tubs from the vet rewards system, players would respond wanting other rewards in their place, inevitably then leading to players objecting to the fact they had to wait for those. If EA create gifts for long term customers, there will always be players who want those gifts when they start.

The thing is though, while I've also had to wait years to get all my dye tubs, it wasn't a hardship. Yes it's great to dye things a nice colour, But surely it's not impossible to ask a friend to dye something till you can manage yousrelf? I had to ask others to dye runebooks so I could stock my shop for example. I'm sorry, but having done exactly that for years, and dyed for others, I just don't see how that can be so bad that it justifies re-doing the vet rewards system.

Wenchy

 

[Draxous]

If we removed dye tubs from the vet rewards system, players would respond wanting other rewards in their place, inevitably then leading to players objecting to the fact they had to wait for those. If EA create gifts for long term customers, there will always be players who want those gifts when they start.

Wenchy

So who suggested removing dye tubs from the vet reward system? Not Flora and not I.

????

 

[Flora Green]

If we removed dye tubs from the vet rewards system, players would respond wanting other rewards in their place, inevitably then leading to players objecting to the fact they had to wait for those. If EA create gifts for long term customers, there will always be players who want those gifts when they start.
Wenchy

Some people may have said remove them, but not me. Not Black Rain. I didn't even say to change the year(s) they are available. Simply to remove the age USE restriction. Again, why is it okay for two tubs to be used at any age and not all of them? Tired of so moving on.

 

[butthead owns]

they did and if u dont know that than u must be a true nublet and should just go with that