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@zog. I'm well aware of economics hence whyi brought it up. I took my courses and passed with great averages.. the bottom line is it unbalnces the economy and should have never been implemented. With that said I think the age requirement should be brought down or it should be sold. High age vets like myself well at least me don't need free transfers when everyone else has to pay stupid prices or find somone to trust to move their goods. Right there is an advantage/unbalnce in the game. The little people who probably need gold more etc cannot afford to transfer everywhere while us vets can go get what we please or farm small shards easier for free and bring those goods back more likely to atl to sell for big sums.......ya no unbalnce there lol.
Try to flip or distort as you will zog but for those simple facts alone as well as what I've stated throughout this thread. It is an unfair advantage! Mine coming shortly and still say unfair advantage so this is in no way the haves and haves not discussion.
Try to flip or distort as you will zog but for those simple facts alone as well as what I've stated throughout this thread. It is an unfair advantage! Mine coming shortly and still say unfair advantage so this is in no way the haves and haves not discussion.
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To be fair they should have stopped counting way b4 the 15th.....but hell theve done it now...so as long as they keep bringing new items every anni...we all can be happy and all play catch up!!
Look Petra is correct...
We GOT 3, count them 3 new picks.. and perhaps yes the Tiger is a 15... deal with it.
As for this discussion over shard shields.
Let's look at this from a math point... (keep reading kiddies)
1 Shard shield (SS for typing sake) is :
1 choice per month to 1 shard ...(got that so far?)
It takes 2 SS to make a round trip.
That's 2 SS, and 1 month per token.
Any one SS, mind you will only give you 1 per month, for a total of 12 per year. (so far you can see the line of thought)
Now in the minds eye its silly to get only 1 SS as it would become redundant for use if you only got it to leave a shard... So we can surmise 2 SS is the norm for back and forth travel. Total is 12 trips per year to the shard of your choice and home again. (with me so far?)
Ok
Now for the stupid part of this....
What dev in their right mind would open them up for sale or worse yet drop the age limit along with it?
The overwhelming mis-use of them is so plain to see if that ever occurred.
Every one of those so called non EA sanctioned "store's" would covet every one put up in a heart beat for exploiting the game.
Hacking of accounts to steal them or your rewards would be rampant for the very same reason... (you didn't trust them did you?)
Oh I can hear the bunch of you who really want them bemoan this and think oh that will never happen...... GET REAL you know damn well it will.
Stop acting like children who has seen the Christmas window at Macy's and wants the most expencsive choo choo on display!
Your analogy (this is a comparison) is if your 5 years old and want the very same car for your birthday like your older brother or sister who is 16 got. Its your right to get it making it fair.
Wrong.
Yar I do understand your want and I do understand the others as well their want for this reward is quite evident in the many posts... but dear let me point out one thing most of you forget...
and don't take this personal
My account(s) and every other account no matter who owns it that's of that age earned that pick... someone paid for it to be on. Yes there are a bunch that got sold for $... but someone has been paying for them to age to that year...
I will point out there were only a handful of accounts of that age old enough to take advantage of the choices to get them at that time ... original owner or not the accounts became of age and were eligible to pick them.
The dev did the right thing by making them account based and year orientated.
For those who lack the choice points to pick a pair... I did request Bonnie look into adding a few extra choices. To up It to 4 per year would make it more friendly to the older account holders who over the years used up their picks ... And (2) per year is not enough and after 15 years I for one think a few would be a good thing.
As for the rewards themselves...
Each year more accounts will become able to pick them...
As for my shields.. I do use them. just that my needs for transferring is not hyper active.. meaning that I do it when I want not to a rush mentality. Holding homes on over 12 shards and having maxed out crafters on a few... makes for spreading my creations to my other homes something I like to plan out. You can only take so much with you..hehe
As for threatening to leave the game if you don't get your way... or cutting down your accounts to the nub....
Acting like a petulant child will get you no where FAST.
I have little care for 3rd world tactics in getting your way, and infact I take it as your making threats.
GO
Leave
Take your toys and go home...
WE don't need you if that is the case....
I'd rather pick up a few more accounts to take up the slack and have a balanced game then have a pouting child (age is not a factor and any age can act like a child) having tantrums and threating my game time.
We GOT 3, count them 3 new picks.. and perhaps yes the Tiger is a 15... deal with it.
As for this discussion over shard shields.
Let's look at this from a math point... (keep reading kiddies)
1 Shard shield (SS for typing sake) is :
1 choice per month to 1 shard ...(got that so far?)
It takes 2 SS to make a round trip.
That's 2 SS, and 1 month per token.
Any one SS, mind you will only give you 1 per month, for a total of 12 per year. (so far you can see the line of thought)
Now in the minds eye its silly to get only 1 SS as it would become redundant for use if you only got it to leave a shard... So we can surmise 2 SS is the norm for back and forth travel. Total is 12 trips per year to the shard of your choice and home again. (with me so far?)
Ok
Now for the stupid part of this....
What dev in their right mind would open them up for sale or worse yet drop the age limit along with it?
The overwhelming mis-use of them is so plain to see if that ever occurred.
Every one of those so called non EA sanctioned "store's" would covet every one put up in a heart beat for exploiting the game.
Hacking of accounts to steal them or your rewards would be rampant for the very same reason... (you didn't trust them did you?)
Oh I can hear the bunch of you who really want them bemoan this and think oh that will never happen...... GET REAL you know damn well it will.
Stop acting like children who has seen the Christmas window at Macy's and wants the most expencsive choo choo on display!
Your analogy (this is a comparison) is if your 5 years old and want the very same car for your birthday like your older brother or sister who is 16 got. Its your right to get it making it fair.
Wrong.
Yar I do understand your want and I do understand the others as well their want for this reward is quite evident in the many posts... but dear let me point out one thing most of you forget...
and don't take this personal
My account(s) and every other account no matter who owns it that's of that age earned that pick... someone paid for it to be on. Yes there are a bunch that got sold for $... but someone has been paying for them to age to that year...
I will point out there were only a handful of accounts of that age old enough to take advantage of the choices to get them at that time ... original owner or not the accounts became of age and were eligible to pick them.
The dev did the right thing by making them account based and year orientated.
For those who lack the choice points to pick a pair... I did request Bonnie look into adding a few extra choices. To up It to 4 per year would make it more friendly to the older account holders who over the years used up their picks ... And (2) per year is not enough and after 15 years I for one think a few would be a good thing.
As for the rewards themselves...
Each year more accounts will become able to pick them...
As for my shields.. I do use them. just that my needs for transferring is not hyper active.. meaning that I do it when I want not to a rush mentality. Holding homes on over 12 shards and having maxed out crafters on a few... makes for spreading my creations to my other homes something I like to plan out. You can only take so much with you..hehe
As for threatening to leave the game if you don't get your way... or cutting down your accounts to the nub....
Acting like a petulant child will get you no where FAST.
I have little care for 3rd world tactics in getting your way, and infact I take it as your making threats.
GO
Leave
Take your toys and go home...
WE don't need you if that is the case....
I'd rather pick up a few more accounts to take up the slack and have a balanced game then have a pouting child (age is not a factor and any age can act like a child) having tantrums and threating my game time.
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Veritas, you are the perfect example of someone who's own personal greed and ADD does not allow you to see anything without bias.
Having to wait 7-8 years to get a veteran reward is absurd? You obviously have no idea what the word veteran means. And that is pretty sad.
If you even once just said that you want the entire system and the rewards to go away I would maybe listen to your nonsense but you are too greedy to ever mention that.
You simply keep stating that you want a different veteran reward system that gives free goodies to everyone. That's absurd as it would then not be a veteran reward system. It would just be another in the long list of random UO reward systems.
Based upon the tiny number of vets able to claim shard shields the system most certainly is not centered around them.
The only people who believe something so absurd are the 'have nots' that cant play the game more then 6 months without wanting everything handed to them.
The most pathetic part though is how these 'have nots' mask their greed and envy in what they say is in the best interest of the game.
I feel so secure Veritas that you are out there looking after the best interests of all of us playing the game lol
Well let me say something...
Forget "SS" and Rid-able Borua's And Tigers And all that other stuff yes its there it isnt going to changed so whats the point in all this complaining, all i have to complain about is yes "SS" and good for OId Players, Myself i use them alot as my dads account old enough BUT i still think they are a little overpowered, Why does a new player have to pay $40 to get to another shard at the same time as paying the monthy fee aswell as paying for Enhanced tools and stuff, basicly they have to pay for EVERYTHING in the game, a new player isnt going to have 20mil or 35mil to but a Enhanced tool or Even 75mil for 1 Transfer Token, i believe myself if we have to pay for UO we shouldnt have to pay for other stuff, same goes for other way around, if we have to pay for other stuff i dont think we need to pay for UO, i would be happy to pay $40 for a Transfer Token if i didnt have to pay $60 a month for my 6 accounts!
Forget "SS" and Rid-able Borua's And Tigers And all that other stuff yes its there it isnt going to changed so whats the point in all this complaining, all i have to complain about is yes "SS" and good for OId Players, Myself i use them alot as my dads account old enough BUT i still think they are a little overpowered, Why does a new player have to pay $40 to get to another shard at the same time as paying the monthy fee aswell as paying for Enhanced tools and stuff, basicly they have to pay for EVERYTHING in the game, a new player isnt going to have 20mil or 35mil to but a Enhanced tool or Even 75mil for 1 Transfer Token, i believe myself if we have to pay for UO we shouldnt have to pay for other stuff, same goes for other way around, if we have to pay for other stuff i dont think we need to pay for UO, i would be happy to pay $40 for a Transfer Token if i didnt have to pay $60 a month for my 6 accounts!
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well im not getting into arguments about things that dont need to be argued about on stratics, stratics is a lovely place and i love to read things and discuss, But i think the Vet reward side of this Thread will never be sorted so i think really us Arguing and Complaining isnt going to do ANY good what do ever..
No, it's not the first time.
For example, UO celebrated its 11th Anniversary in 2008, but only 10th year rewards were released with Publish 55 in 2008.
The 11th year rewards were released in 2009 in Publish 61 together with the 12th year rewards.
Sometimes they skip one year and they catch up in later years...
Lady storm, you do realize that people claim more than one sheild for their more popular spots of travel or say farm so they can travel back and forth more than once a month as you state. Farm the small shards! Bring back to atl to sell for huge sums! I know sooo sooo many that do this over and over. Hence giving a huge money advantage to older vets when its the younger ones that could use the help. Again these should havr never been implemented but since they are and is a huge unbalance and way out of reach for others to aquire ever, age limits needs to be dropped greatly and i mean greatly or sell the sheilds in store. If they want to give us older vets rideables titels deco that's not unbalancing then by all means I'm for it.
This is for anyone to arguin that the sheilds don't unbalance the game at all.....then well maybe medication is needed....I kid but come on!
This is for anyone to arguin that the sheilds don't unbalance the game at all.....then well maybe medication is needed....I kid but come on!
You say a lot of words but NOTHING about how it supposedly "unbalnces the economy." You keep saying that word, and it clearly does not mean what you think it means.
There is actually no age requirement for any vet reward, you realize. With soulstones and shard shields, it's a matter of them being account-bound.
You may have taken "courses," but you are talking to someone for whom finance and economics are his stock in trade. I have laid out how a seller on a low-population, low-demand shard can now sell on a high-population shard for more profit, and how his transportation lowers prices on the new shard while reducing the high extreme of profit for other sellers. This is not imbalancing, far from it. It's equalization. Counter that.
I have laid out how a 14-year vet has paid dearly to get there, when it's far cheaper for a much younger player -- or an old player leaving an account inactive for months at a time -- to pay for transfer tokens. Counter that.
I'm in no wise "flipping" or "distorting" a thing. I'm pointing out mere facts. You probably haven't even heard of Heckscher-Ohlin or Stolper-Samuelson's work. If you did, you wouldn't be spewing the nonsense of "unbalnces."
If you don't like shard shields, then don't use them. Leave the rest of us alone. You're just like those who complained all those years ago that Last Target was "unfair" and "unbalnces" in favor of mages.
Wow zog lolol. Did u miss the point? The majority of peopele or high year vets with these using them that I know of are using them to farm small shards and bring back to atl to sell for atl prices! No discount! No equalization as you say. So the unbalancing is giving high year vets/account bound item that lets them do this for free while allllll others have to pay if they even want to think about that(Unbalanced hence giving high vets an advantage!). Is thatnot unbalncing? Is that fair? As far as unbalancing the economy do u not see that only the high year vets get to do this for free while it is costing the younger guys to even try. Does the word Walmart mean anything to you? Another thing/company that unbalances the economy killing the small guys or in this case argument the younger sub holders. The younger guys ccan't go farm the small shards for free and get the benifits of selling the items on the larger shards. There may be a small percentage using them the way u say but the majority of people I know amd its a lot are not givng discounts etc to offset anything and all the benifits go to the high year vet. To say one group can do this for free when another cannot due to a crazy high account age limit that most will never get to is unbalancing and ill add in unfair.
Oh and to add as you say there is no age requirement? Don't you need to be what 14 years account age old to even pick the sheilds??? Then they are account linked so what was ur point of that statement?
Bottom line I will have them and abusing them really soon. Look out all u small shards! But that still doesn't change my view and point on this, they should have never been implemented but since they are they should be sold on store or age limit to claim lowered GREATLY. I've paid my accounts just like everyone else and I in no way am going to get angry after I claim mine here shorlty if say 5 year vets get them or anyone for that matter. I won't cry like others....I paid my dues I deserve this (type of BS)!
Oh and to add as you say there is no age requirement? Don't you need to be what 14 years account age old to even pick the sheilds??? Then they are account linked so what was ur point of that statement?
Bottom line I will have them and abusing them really soon. Look out all u small shards! But that still doesn't change my view and point on this, they should have never been implemented but since they are they should be sold on store or age limit to claim lowered GREATLY. I've paid my accounts just like everyone else and I in no way am going to get angry after I claim mine here shorlty if say 5 year vets get them or anyone for that matter. I won't cry like others....I paid my dues I deserve this (type of BS)!
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I most certainly didn't miss the point. You have, though, quite clearly so. You shouldn't bring up Walmart or other business models you obviously don't comprehend. Walmart has "driven out" smaller mom & pop shops only because the latter were selling for higher prices. Are you telling me it's a bad thing for a Walmart to open and offer low prices than the local overpriced grocery store? That it's a bad thing for Walmart to transport inexpensive textile and plastic products across the world,
So what if someone "farms" a less populous shard to sell on Atlantic? That's simply arbitrage, a good word for you to look up and learn. If you really did take a single, genuine economics class outside of your dreams or rectal-exiting vocal utterances, supply and demand would have been day one. What you ignore, or can't comprehend, is that with everyone going to Atlantic to sell, that eventually brings down prices, and meanwhile it gives this "farmer" more profit than either shard. Had he stayed on Atlantic, he couldn't get as many items. Had he stayed on the smaller shard, he'd have a lot of items but would need to sell for less money. Thus his profit is, tada, equalized.
And guess what: I don't get this or any other veteran reward "for free." Of my three (four? I'll have to check) accounts over 14 years old, I paid dearly to get them there. If someone started a trans-world shipping company that can now transport things at very low cost, he didn't get there "for free."
Veteran rewards are supposed to be something for veteran players -- those who have sunk significant money into the game -- rather than newcomers. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You again didn't get the point. I said that since the tokens and soulstones are tied to an account anyway, it's of no use to give or sell them to other players. Do I have to use smaller words?
Gee, so you've rail against them, calling them everything but evil, but you have no problem using them. There is a word for that.
And for all your blather, it's clear you're out of your element to talk about "finance" or "economics." What, you took a couple of poli sci classes on political economy, and now you think you're an expert?
P.S. Would you mind at least using a spell checker? One word is spelled imbalancing (occasionally unbalancing). The other word is benefits. You can at least appear like someone who can be taken seriously.
Zog....it called using a phone to type ,mistakes happen and usually when someone brings up spelling it cause A. they loosing an argument/debate B.have nothing meaningful to add to said debate. Sorry I can't spellcheck for u on my phone or take the time to go back and change all of them.
U still missed the point but thats ok.
An item introduced in game to give advantage to another is unbalanced. In this case its money among others.
Apparently you can't see that and we are just going in circles so im done after this post. It makes it much easier to obtain goods trade goods sell goods with a SS...why cause its free! On top of that I have played the game since begin I let account go for a bit I'm getting ss very soon and I still think its unfair advantage item so I've paid my dues but does that mean I think I should have a free gateway to anywhere for free when newer people have to pay ridiculous amounts to go one way? It isn't right and in nature is unbalancing making it easier for the older vets to obtain large amounts of wealth while the newer people have to struggle or pay dearly for a transfer token which again only gets ya one way. I know people with tons of the ss tokens saved so they can make round trips whenever they like and for free and yea i know u need a token to return but it still doesnt cost ya 60mil or $20(paying for ur account is not an excuse...oh its not free I paid my dues is BS) Basically if you can't see its an unbalancing item allowing easy wealth to be gained by one group and not the other especially when we should be supporting the other and making it easier for them to obatain their wealth (since uo is in an age of everything costs mils upon mils and i think we need to try and keep any new players we have) then I'm done with ya and good luck. Oh and ur claim of people bringing items to atl making prices lower I have yet to see but I will say I've seen on the rare few occassions people spamming luna bank with 10-20slithers etc from small shard farming for decent deals but I know way more people who do this and just trickle them onto their vendor at the same high atl luna prices that seem to only go higher as time goes but thats a whole nother story. (Inflation) You would think with ur logic atls prices would be the lowest from all the competition farming.....BUT NOPE.
Ps. Never claimed to be expert in finance so try again buddy. I took a few courses and understand as well as passed them all, that is it. I really dont think you need to know anything or taken any courses to see what this item does which makes this game unbalanced favoring vets. My point bringing up walmart was to show the unbalancing of economy which walmart creates it may be more evenly balanced if everyone had access to their chinese exporters(cheap goods), same with shard sheilds, I could go get that item I want on the other shard for free travel cost with a ss or have to trust or pay somone or buy transfer to go get it without a shard sheild. Thats just not right. Oh ya and again you bring up the fact the ss can't be sold by players and ask me if I need u to use smaller words????? Noone ever said to let players sell them so again I have no clue where this nonsense of a statement comes from. Lol.
U still missed the point but thats ok.
An item introduced in game to give advantage to another is unbalanced. In this case its money among others.
Apparently you can't see that and we are just going in circles so im done after this post. It makes it much easier to obtain goods trade goods sell goods with a SS...why cause its free! On top of that I have played the game since begin I let account go for a bit I'm getting ss very soon and I still think its unfair advantage item so I've paid my dues but does that mean I think I should have a free gateway to anywhere for free when newer people have to pay ridiculous amounts to go one way? It isn't right and in nature is unbalancing making it easier for the older vets to obtain large amounts of wealth while the newer people have to struggle or pay dearly for a transfer token which again only gets ya one way. I know people with tons of the ss tokens saved so they can make round trips whenever they like and for free and yea i know u need a token to return but it still doesnt cost ya 60mil or $20(paying for ur account is not an excuse...oh its not free I paid my dues is BS) Basically if you can't see its an unbalancing item allowing easy wealth to be gained by one group and not the other especially when we should be supporting the other and making it easier for them to obatain their wealth (since uo is in an age of everything costs mils upon mils and i think we need to try and keep any new players we have) then I'm done with ya and good luck. Oh and ur claim of people bringing items to atl making prices lower I have yet to see but I will say I've seen on the rare few occassions people spamming luna bank with 10-20slithers etc from small shard farming for decent deals but I know way more people who do this and just trickle them onto their vendor at the same high atl luna prices that seem to only go higher as time goes but thats a whole nother story. (Inflation) You would think with ur logic atls prices would be the lowest from all the competition farming.....BUT NOPE.
Ps. Never claimed to be expert in finance so try again buddy. I took a few courses and understand as well as passed them all, that is it. I really dont think you need to know anything or taken any courses to see what this item does which makes this game unbalanced favoring vets. My point bringing up walmart was to show the unbalancing of economy which walmart creates it may be more evenly balanced if everyone had access to their chinese exporters(cheap goods), same with shard sheilds, I could go get that item I want on the other shard for free travel cost with a ss or have to trust or pay somone or buy transfer to go get it without a shard sheild. Thats just not right. Oh ya and again you bring up the fact the ss can't be sold by players and ask me if I need u to use smaller words????? Noone ever said to let players sell them so again I have no clue where this nonsense of a statement comes from. Lol.
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Yes Flutter, I need to see your screen shot asap. I've always had my doubts about you. To verify account age I'll need an irl pic as well to make sure your truly old enough to have been playing that account. Please PM a Hi-Res full body shot at your convenience 
.(I wont hold my breath
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Embellished their account age in hopes of persuading Devs reading that many older vets would like to see all players get all vet rewards. Over a yr ago a similar thread posted & a former guildmate did this, I called them on it. I was told they had asked other friends to post similarly. Irrelevant tho & I should not have commented abt something so long ago but it was late, I was tired(I'm in the middle of my clinicals w/ LONG hours), & probably over stepped bounds. To err is human 
.PS. KELMO , MY 1ST COMMENTS WERE A JOKE - Please don't rain down your vengeance upon me
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The lights will go out after my account stops aging. And when I stop aging my account info will go to my grave.
There are to many players now, majority. Those that wasn't there the first day someone was mounted on a polar bear at the gathering around the WBB. There should of been a choice and use age limit on rides and items that are purely deco for a home. Game enhancing rewards should be no age limit with some kept from abuse through account only use.
There was a long period when there was no changes to the reward list. Some of us with a dozen robes and cloaks feel the first neglect. Or we just waited for the "-light bulb-" It is just to bad they are making reward choices from the dark room across the hall.
Just when I think they are money grubbing idiots. They forget to allow us to purchase extra reward picks. But then they aren't keeping the store out of the balance of the game anyways. Enhancing tool?
It's just a troubled world when people have a frame of mind that is well spoiled. Everyone with the desire to live in a mansion and have a different sports car for everyday of the week to drive. Sorry . Unless your last name is being changed to Jolie-Pitt your going to have to pay your dues. It is a great thing that humans are living twice as long. But, it just take that much longer to grow up, and that's sad.
For the grammar/spelling police. In the words of Handcock make sure to tell your teachers "Good job. Goooood job." If you can correct my written flaws. Then I have still succeeded to communicate.
There are to many players now, majority. Those that wasn't there the first day someone was mounted on a polar bear at the gathering around the WBB. There should of been a choice and use age limit on rides and items that are purely deco for a home. Game enhancing rewards should be no age limit with some kept from abuse through account only use.
There was a long period when there was no changes to the reward list. Some of us with a dozen robes and cloaks feel the first neglect. Or we just waited for the "-light bulb-" It is just to bad they are making reward choices from the dark room across the hall.
Just when I think they are money grubbing idiots. They forget to allow us to purchase extra reward picks. But then they aren't keeping the store out of the balance of the game anyways. Enhancing tool?
It's just a troubled world when people have a frame of mind that is well spoiled. Everyone with the desire to live in a mansion and have a different sports car for everyday of the week to drive. Sorry
. Unless your last name is being changed to Jolie-Pitt your going to have to pay your dues. It is a great thing that humans are living twice as long. But, it just take that much longer to grow up, and that's sad.For the grammar/spelling police. In the words of Handcock make sure to tell your teachers "Good job. Goooood job." If you can correct my written flaws. Then I have still succeeded to communicate.
It's just a troubled world when people have a frame of mind that is well spoiled. Everyone with the desire to live in a mansion and have a different sports car for everyday of the week to drive. Sorry
Except for the fact that its not just an issue of envy, or even mainly an issue of envy. The number one focus of a game should be to create a fun experience for the players. Some of us, myself included question if vet rewards were actually an attempt to further that goal, and regardless of intent question if they have made the game more or less fun for everyone. In my personal opinion everyone should be on 100% equal footing to ATTAIN any item, skill, accomplishment... whatever. No one should be artificially blocked from getting -or just as importantly giving- anything.
And really, again, no one is able to PICK any reward they want... only people who are vets can pick their rewards can then choose to sell them to anyone. No one has been GIVEN anything. It still must be earned one way or another. It's now all up to the players, which is how it should be.
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Someone said in a rant earlier,
"As for threatening to leave the game if you don't get your way... or cutting down your accounts to the nub....
Acting like a petulant child will get you no where FAST.
I have little care for 3rd world tactics in getting your way, and infact I take it as your making threats.
GO
Leave
Take your toys and go home...
WE don't need you if that is the case....
I'd rather pick up a few more accounts to take up the slack and have a balanced game then have a pouting child (age is not a factor and any age can act like a child) having tantrums and threating my game time."
Wait?? Who is acting like a spoiled child in this ^ post?? Looks like someone has decided to crown themselves queen of da wooooorrld!!! Tada!!! We shall ALL leave so you can have all the shards, loot and rewards to yourself!! We apologize for any inconvenience your highness has had to endure. Thank God you don't own the air. :whip: :loser:
Just kidding...
"As for threatening to leave the game if you don't get your way... or cutting down your accounts to the nub....
Acting like a petulant child will get you no where FAST.
I have little care for 3rd world tactics in getting your way, and infact I take it as your making threats.
GO
Leave
Take your toys and go home...
WE don't need you if that is the case....
I'd rather pick up a few more accounts to take up the slack and have a balanced game then have a pouting child (age is not a factor and any age can act like a child) having tantrums and threating my game time."
Wait?? Who is acting like a spoiled child in this ^ post?? Looks like someone has decided to crown themselves queen of da wooooorrld!!! Tada!!! We shall ALL leave so you can have all the shards, loot and rewards to yourself!! We apologize for any inconvenience your highness has had to endure. Thank God you don't own the air. :whip: :loser:
Just kidding...
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Vet rewards have most definitely without question made the game more fun/enjoyable for the overwhelming majority of players. Period. Everyone can not be on equal footing when it comes to 'Veteran Rewards' - the very term signifies that. Its difficult to debate merits of Vet Rewards with those who question rewards very existence.
They exist. The game makers chose a way to thank players (mostly without player input) that have shown yearly support and I believe they've done an excellent job. Some things need to be executive decision only & I think many of us are just tired of the constant complaints.
PS. when ya'll leave can I have ur stuff?
They exist. The game makers chose a way to thank players (mostly without player input) that have shown yearly support and I believe they've done an excellent job. Some things need to be executive decision only & I think many of us are just tired of the constant complaints.
PS. when ya'll leave can I have ur stuff?
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You can't refute a thing I said either. Now if you had been referring to him, you'd be correct.
I could almost be sorry you're still wrong about this. Almost.
Polar Bear ride. A group is sitting at the bank and I'm the only one on a polar bear. Newer player with an itch on the brain about the game (preChat) comes looking for a scratch. Who do you think they stood in front of and asked "Sir? What do I say to place a trash can in my house?" I liked that others envied the respect. There is nothing game changing about what artwork my eth rides has or that my house has a chimmy made of human skulls. When my crafter is covered in the 20th year Twilight Shimmering Skin Balm vet reward . Pick by and used only by 20 year old accounts. A newer player will feel pretty sure they can get they're gear repaired, AND returned.
There are some items store bought or reward that should be account use only. There are some things where a player's choice is not best for the game.
Goals. A sense of accomplishment. Doesn't happen when served on a silver platter.
Earn it like other hard working accounts do. Through IDOC. Only good use for the barren fel. Build a house and fill it with the stuff from the tram house.
There are some items store bought or reward that should be account use only. There are some things where a player's choice is not best for the game.
Goals. A sense of accomplishment. Doesn't happen when served on a silver platter.
Earn it like other hard working accounts do. Through IDOC. Only good use for the barren fel. Build a house and fill it with the stuff from the tram house.
If you had your way here, then what would be the point of a long-term account? Someone who's played a couple of years can get the same as someone with a 16-year account? Why, then, should someone bother to keep old accounts open whose characters are hardly played?
Don't you realize the financial implications for the game itself? People would keep active as few old accounts as possible, then let a lot of old accounts go dormant (perhaps resurrect them every few months to keep a house). Good job, your idea will kill off any profitability UO has left.
You should have been like me, saving the rewards for better things down the road. To use them up right away is the mentality of immediate satisfaction, without consideration for what better things the future may have in store.
As a frequent purchaser of those, so what? Nothing's stopping you from paying $10 to get the same advantage. It's not like those are God mode or instant kills.
You talk about "pay your dues" yet ignore that veterans get these transfer shields for putting into the game among the largest sums of any player.It's just a troubled world when people have a frame of mind that is well spoiled. Everyone with the desire to live in a mansion and have a different sports car for everyday of the week to drive. Sorry
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First of all vet rewards are not really accomplishments. I could have them and not have spent an single hour in game. They are no more an accomplishment than buying the brit boat from the EA store is an accomplishment. You pay for them, you don't work for them, unless you count waiting as work, which I don't.
And now that the vet picks are universal people with young accounts have an opportunity that they did not previously have to EARN the vet rewards they want by playing the game and buying from or trading with the vets who want to get rid of them.
Again, no one was given anything, except for vets who were given the freedom to sell their vet rewards if they see fit.
Vet rewards have most definitely without question made the game more fun/enjoyable for the overwhelming majority of players. Period. Everyone can not be on equal footing when it comes to 'Veteran Rewards' - the very term signifies that. Its difficult to debate merits of Vet Rewards with those who question rewards very existence.
They exist. The game makers chose a way to thank players (mostly without player input) that have shown yearly support and I believe they've done an excellent job. Some things need to be executive decision only & I think many of us are just tired of the constant complaints.
I agree the items are fun, and enjoyable, and I look forward to new ones. I just don't like how the system of getting them worked. I am honestly just fine with it now with a few exceptions.
I also agree that some level of inequity is going to be inherent in a vet reward system, but that inequity can come in different degrees, some more or less palatable than others.
I really think a large part of my problem with vet rewards was the simple fact the game has lasted so long. It really just made some things completely unattainable to new players, and I don't like that.
And with the exception of the shard shields, (and the seed box and davy jones locker) now that they have made them universally tradeable I also agree that the system is fine. I have much much much less problem with it than I once did.
Always entertaining to read rants over vet rewards, particularly shard shields. The fun part is knowing that nothing will change for them, regardless of how many people rant and rave over issues (real or imaginary).
So those ranting might as well face the facts, they are not going anywhere, nor will they ever be made available to all players (because they make money off the ones they sell). So deal with it...
Personally, I haven't seen any sort of downfall since they came in. If anything, it lowered prices on shards.
A little side note though, I still think they should have stopped the vet reward tiers at year 4 or 5...but it's way too late now.
So those ranting might as well face the facts, they are not going anywhere, nor will they ever be made available to all players (because they make money off the ones they sell). So deal with it...
Personally, I haven't seen any sort of downfall since they came in. If anything, it lowered prices on shards.
A little side note though, I still think they should have stopped the vet reward tiers at year 4 or 5...but it's way too late now.
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Hahah zog goes back to he still thinks he owed this reward by his paying BS just like I thought. "I'm owed this type of unbalancing nonsense! Lol. Of course you cant be happy with a title, deco, or a rideable nor are willing to change the age limits for the SS. Maybe you just dont want any competition farming if more get access to these? There is no reason not to make changes to the SS requirements except maybe greed from certain vets *coughs*.Then u go back to my spelling which this phone doesn't do then back to my classes lol. But on top of all that still doesn't seee the unbalance when its been laid out clear or maybe just refuses to. You also misread my post and makeup ur own meanings to what I said. (Not going to keep correcting you since its a waste of time apparently on u) Ur too funny.
Im pretty sure everyone else understood me and my points but not you mr economics of course did not Just good day to you sir.......lololol.
Im pretty sure everyone else understood me and my points but not you mr economics of course did not Just good day to you sir.......lololol.
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By the way, I just noticed who posted this. Thanks for proving my very point: everyone thinking "I'll go to Atlantic" only brings higher prices down to an equilibrium point, while the reduced supply on their home shards means prices there will go up. Read what I posted.
On smaller shards, items can be sometimes so scarce that one must go to other shards for decent supply.
I'm the "economy expert" who points out the equalization of supply and demand, perfectly in line with economic theories and models of the real world, while it's your buddy who prates about "farming" to "sell high" on Atlantic.
"lowered prices on shards," just as I've pointed out. But, oh, that other guy claims people are farming so they can sell high on Atlantic!
It's jealousy, pure and simple, nor do other gainsayers realize that selling the tokens (among other things) is necessary to keep the game profitable.
Another by the way: for $1680 per account to get to that status, it's UO's right to determine what they're going to give me. I never said I'm "owed," only that getting the shields is hardly "free." Why is that so hard for you to understand?
If you have a problem with that, then you can start buying up enough shares so a member of the board will listen to you. Until then, stop whining.
"Spoiled?" Notwithstanding I don't believe you, it's still at a cost of nearly $2000 for each of my oldest accounts.
I haven't noticed how many I get per year. I don't keep count, because I rarely use my oldest accounts to collect rewards. As someone who considers what better things the future has in store, I save them. Now, I did use the oldest one to get a half-dozen shields and seven teleporter tiles set, and it still has several choices left.
The only ones "moan[ing]" are those jealous over shard shields, or who used up their rewards as soon as they became available.
Zog u are so silly and defensive of ur SS tokens. Check certain search sites atl prices not going down still remains one of the most expensive shards. Most people I know and again it a good number don't lower their prices when farming. I know u paid ur account blah blah blah and u seem very defensive to let the rules/age requiremment change...hmmm wonder why. I've paid my accounts as well and less than a month I get mine and I still say its an unbalanfed unfair item to give vets but whatever mr. Know it all. When I go to other small shards I am able to buy cheap and bring back to atl annd sell atatl pricesno drop just ddidn't have to do the work to get the item very easy. Now if I had my ss tokens I could do tht a lot more with no cost to me which since no cost to me now gives me an advantage over others hence unbalancing the game amd making me more profit.. You really are dense...no? Twist some more my friend
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If you don't like shard shields, then go ahead and completely refrain from their use. Leave the rest of us alone. Or, go buy enough shares of EA so you'll have influence in what they give out.
I'm no "loner" nor part of "a pack of vet players." I do, however, use transfers to obtain items that are not available on my quiet home shard. Sometimes I bring back things for friends.
There was in fact no assumption on my part. You yourself wrote: "There was a long period when there was no changes to the reward list. Some of us with a dozen robes and cloaks feel the first neglect." Right there, you put yourself in the category of someone who used up picks as soon as they became available.
I didn't, but I kept my accounts open anyway as a matter of why not. I've mentioned that I barely played UO for 3-4 years, once realizing it had been six weeks since logging on any characters at all. Yet I still paid in hope I'd return.
Most people don't realize that small expenditures add up, and that they could have bought something outright (or paid for much of it). The periodic cost of a UO subscription is minimal enough that it's easier to spend the same on coffee a week. I know people who, if they stopped going to Starbucks and easily made better coffee at home, could have an iPad at the end of the year.
However, would you really have traded everything about UO to get a truck? Having paid well into the five figures for my UO accounts, I wouldn't trade what I've gotten out of it. I've made friends -- who became real life friends -- that are worth far more than a vehicle.
On marriage: you should realize that the statistics are skewed by extremely short-term marriages. Every time some kid elopes and gets divorced after a week, it brings down the mean. With this it's therefore important to discard outliers.
I am in fact not a proponent of F2P in UO. There is a difference, however, between F2P and a paid subscription with certain items.
Certain items give advantages, but they are not completely overwhelming or insurmountable. You could put a noob in my best gear, and if he doesn't know what he's doing, someone with mediocre gear could still kill him.
Why should it be "insulting"? They're new. Others paid a minimum of $1680 to get there. You just cannot understand that "time" and "dedication" are irrelevant to veteran status. It's all about the money someone paid.
Nothing stopped anyone from buying an account back in UO's heyday and keeping it open. If someone didn't know, well, that's just too bad. The rest of us were aware of the opportunity.
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Prices don't go down because of the ever-increasing supply of gold.
And as others have pointed out, you're incorrect about Atlantic prices always being highest.
Of course they'll charge what the market can bear. Is that also something you cannot understand?
Compared to you, I might as well know everything. You're completely sanctimonious.
Try buying a 120 magery scroll on Sonoma, which runs 20 million. Is that so much different than Atlantic's prices?
There's no "twist" except to your logic.
Simple points that you can't refute:
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So what if someone "farms" a less populous shard to sell on Atlantic? That's simply arbitrage, a good word for you to look up and learn. If you really did take a single, genuine economics class outside of your dreams or rectal-exiting vocal utterances, supply and demand would have been day one. What you ignore, or can't comprehend, is that with everyone going to Atlantic to sell, that eventually brings down prices, and meanwhile it gives this "farmer" more profit than either shard. Had he stayed on Atlantic, he couldn't get as many items. Had he stayed on the smaller shard, he'd have a lot of items but would need to sell for less money. Thus his profit is, tada, equalized.
You again didn't get the point. I said that since the tokens and soulstones are tied to an account anyway, it's of no use to give or sell them to other players. Do I have to use smaller words?
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That is your point? Then your definition of "balance" is ludicrous. The only "balance" would therefore be with everyone having identical items and skills. What kind of absurd game do you want to play?
Here's a free clue for you: life is unbalanced. Everyone is different in abilities and possessions. Do you complain about that too?
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Simple math one more time:
14 years of UO: minimum $1680
5 years of UO and 27 round-trips: $1680
It makes zero financial sense to keep an account for 14 years for "free" transfers that are hardly free, compared to a younger account whose player barely paid for any UO and can come out far ahead. You not only still can't refute this, you don't even address it.
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If you had actually understood what I said, you'd have realized I never said Atlantic prices would be the lowest. They do, however, come down as supply increases.
As supply is less on smaller shards, demand will push prices up there. The nature of the market process is not that everything will be perfectly equal, but they'll equalize, approaching an equilibrium as more items are sold.
Supply and demand. The concept works in a virtual world too.
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Wrong. Read the thread again, and previous ones. It's been proposed by others that shard shields can be given/sold to others.
Do you not understand? They're a reward for loyalty to the game: for having continued to pay money.
Nobody ever said they were an "accomplishment."
This will just go on forever or till the thread gets locked, don't bother.
This lecture is over.
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