Vet Rewards - Is this the first year...

[Ruppy2]

That the anniversary year does not have it's own reward?

I realize a 16 year vet can 'go backwards' for the 15 year tiger or the 8 year table.

Although 'happy' for my 15 year account, I am feeling slighted for my 16 year account.

Last year (15) it was the garden shed.
Year 14 was a shard shield.
Year 13 Boura
Year 12 House teleporters

Maybe it was just a typo in the notes that 15 year is a tiger, and was meant for 16th.

J

 

[Dol'Gorath]

At some point they have to stop adding new things to the max year possible. What's going to happen in 4 years and they add a 20 year reward? Any new player coming to the game will look at that and say "Well F that, I'm not playing 20 years for an in-game item!"

Personally I think even having 15-year rewards is too much, they should cap it somewhere around the 7-8 year mark and not introduce anything ever again over those years. aka: Any new items added have to be added within the 1-8 year categories]

 

[Ruppy2]

At some point they have to stop adding new things to the max year possible.

Why? Your logic/rationale suggests we all stop playing after 'x' years...in this example, 15.

Prior history suggests a new reward each year, first to be enjoyed by the longest and most committed accounts/players.

I realize new players are important, but are not the Vets?

 

[Uvtha]

That the anniversary year does not have it's own reward?

I realize a 16 year vet can 'go backwards' for the 15 year tiger or the 8 year table.

Although 'happy' for my 15 year account, I am feeling slighted for my 16 year account.

Last year (15) it was the garden shed.
Year 14 was a shard shield.
Year 13 Boura
Year 12 House teleporters

Maybe it was just a typo in the notes that 15 year is a tiger, and was meant for 16th.

J

Now that anyone can use any year rewards I don't think it matters as much. I for one don't care.

 

[Veritas et Sapientia]

At some point they have to stop adding new things to the max year possible. What's going to happen in 4 years and they add a 20 year reward? Any new player coming to the game will look at that and say "Well F that, I'm not playing 20 years for an in-game item!"

Personally I think even having 15-year rewards is too much, they should cap it somewhere around the 7-8 year mark and not introduce anything ever again over those years. aka: Any new items added have to be added within the 1-8 year categories]

My thoughts exactly. The veteran system is still borked despite the new changes which is how it should have been from day 1. It should be a tiered system. Having to wait 7-8 years to get an item is absurd enough let alone 15-20 years. What I find interesting is most of the discussion about veteran rewards always centers around shards shields. "Blah Blah while I like the Tiger I'm not passing up for a shard shield., "Are the new rewards out? I want to know if I should hold off or get my shard shields". The most sought after item in UOs history and should be available to all. Shard Shields are the most unbalancing item in UOs history. Not only stop making veteran rewards each year re haul the whole damn system and make it fair so the majority of your playerbase has equal access. Lump my post in with the Blah Blah shard shields posts (more to follow I'm sure). That AND make shard shields available at the gamestore. Level the effin' playing field.

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

At some point they have to stop adding new things to the max year possible.
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Ill be 80 when the fifty year reward comes out. Why so negative against old people? Lol just for fun...

-Lorax

 

[Frodo-Europa]

At some point they have to stop adding new things to the max year possible. What's going to happen in 4 years and they add a 20 year reward? Any new player coming to the game will look at that and say "Well F that, I'm not playing 20 years for an in-game item!"

Personally I think even having 15-year rewards is too much, they should cap it somewhere around the 7-8 year mark and not introduce anything ever again over those years. aka: Any new items added have to be added within the 1-8 year categories]

I agree totally with this, the reason i agree is because i am 19 in real life... i would of had to of been 4 years of age to get a 15th year, i must say i started playing with my family when i was 11 i am now a 8 year old account (not really aloud till your 18 but hey lol) but how can i play when im 4? i think Vet rewards and Good and Bad -- Bad because of what i have just explained -- Good because it rewards all the old players, i just don't think its possible for me to get a 15th year account without me Buying one and that's not even Legal? so how can i possibly get a shard shield unless i wait another 7 years? i waited 8 years to get some items that i could not get when i was 4 years and now i have waited that long i can now use the items i waited for when i was 4 years? so i now have to wait 7 more years for something? Who even knows if Ultima Online will last that long, I sure hope it does as i love the game but you never know what happens in the future?

so i agree with Dol 100% I would also like to add, sorry i have upset anyone will this post it isnt intended was just my opinion thats all, thanks guys

 

[Lady Storm]

I think the whole stink over a 16th year pick is due to the often big mouths who yell and scream "IT'S NOT FAIR" because they cant have it or that it's something so want'able like the shard shields or Garden Shed.
I can understand it... no really I can.
You see my sister had the same attitude with her 2 children at birthdays.
If you brought a present for the birthday child you brought one for the other too. Made for some odd party's, but I did understand why.
It was that damn got to be fair... mind set.
The trophy even for the loosers of kiddie baseball ,scoccer, etc.. that parents did so their child didn't feel inferior.
Well I for one see a flaw to it and now its been rearing its ugly head everywhere... those same children are now mid 20s to early 30s and are running rampant...
I for one didn't get raised where both sides won... you have winner and loser, period.
You don't get a 50th anniversary gift for your first year married! you EARN that with years of love and hope to live that long.

the 16th year gift should be a banner that says your name and I survived this long in UO.... keep off my lawn!

 

[yars]

Shard shields should be available to all,although not game breaking,they do provide an advantage in the so called "economy". Hell make them available at the origin store.but to others,if your playing merely for vet rewards,your doing it wrong.

 

[Frodo-Europa]

Storm i was also brought up like you, on my birthday i got something and on my sisters birthday i got nothing, thats the way it is and thats the fair way or doing it, But with this Vet rewards it isnt the same, liek i say i would of had to of been 4 to get a 15th year or 6 to get a Boura or something along them lines, i agree with what UO have done about making them so anyone can use them but you can only obtain them when you reach that goal, to me everything should be that, shard shield, garden sheds Etc but i also agree with others that they need something to say they have been here so long, its a hard one really

 

[Lady Storm]

Frodo I do understand you want , and I don't mind the rides made for all... even the tiger. yes you heard me. But I do draw the line at EVERYTHING.
I earned my rewards with 16 years of paid service to this game. I paid what can only be called a good new car paid in full. To EA.
Rewards is for loyalty, in business and service.
I am not saying your not loyal but the years are not there in what I put in. The tales my characters could tell you of the times from beta to the future of UO that is minutes away from now.. To yip and snip at the heels of players who have done this very thing with whines and crys of NOT FAIR is a thing to be ashamed of.
Your grandfather earned his social security and paid into it all his life.
Do you think you deserve it more then him? cause you want it?
It's that same analogy.
Earn the right to get it by playing through the coming years. work to earn it.
This most of all will ensure UO's life will continue.
As the little kitten pic says ....
Hang in there kiddo Fridays coming!
meaning:
Good comes to those that wait. Be patient.

PS: Yars
NO read above. Same goes for you. There are some things meant for those who earned them. Yes they are usefull, this I do not disagree with but as for making them for all? Hell No. Period.
They don't effect UO cause the ARE age and account restricted. get the point?

 

[Goodmann]

Real big let down no 16 year rewards... I kept 2- 15 year old account active for a whole year just to get new 16 year rewards........... Guess no surprises coming out and I can let all my accounts I do not play waste away and get down to just my main account. Thanks EA you are actually saving me money by not coming out with new rewards

 

[Frodo-Europa]

Frodo I do understand you want , and I don't mind the rides made for all... even the tiger. yes you heard me. But I do draw the line at EVERYTHING.
I earned my rewards with 16 years of paid service to this game. I paid what can only be called a good new car paid in full. To EA.
Rewards is for loyalty, in business and service.
I am not saying your not loyal but the years are not there in what I put in. The tales my characters could tell you of the times from beta to the future of UO that is minutes away from now.. To yip and snip at the heels of players who have done this very thing with whines and crys of NOT FAIR is a thing to be ashamed of.
Your grandfather earned his social security and paid into it all his life.
Do you think you deserve it more then him? cause you want it?
It's that same analogy.
Earn the right to get it by playing through the coming years. work to earn it.
This most of all will ensure UO's life will continue.
As the little kitten pic says ....
Hang in there kiddo Fridays coming!
meaning:
Good comes to those that wait. Be patient.

PS: Yars
NO read above. Same goes for you. There are some things meant for those who earned them. Yes they are usefull, this I do not disagree with but as for making them for all? Hell No. Period.
They don't effect UO cause the ARE age and account restricted. get the point?

i understand Exactly what you say, i have paid this game with pocket money and when i was younger i used to wash cars in my street to pay for this game, so yes i know what you mean about paying and all this but i think they should do other stuff like Banners like you said to say i have survived 15years or even Armor parts or something that say they have been here 15years, i have no want want want my dads account is 15 years so i use his shard shields, all i am saying is that how can someone my age get a 15th year account without Buying one? unless i wait another 7 years? but like i said in my last reply who knows if UO will still be around in 7 years? I hope it is! as i love the game

 

[Lady Storm]

I worry about you Goodman.

Are you so doom and gloom in RL? Ill bet you the whole reason for no 16 is the heated debate's over why the younger cant have it...
Look at the heat over shard shields. or The pressure the dev was under to open up ethy's , dye tubs and such for all not just the years they were meant for.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease... and the kids who scream the loudest and drown the rest of us out get their way 99% of the time as they hound the Dev to death...24/7/365.
I have yet to see bonnie step on a shard and not have a person try to get her pinned down for something on some issue. Not to mention some free named item from her to be later on the boards as a money maker. (I have seen it a lot)

I still say make a 16th year with the creators name and I survived this long in UO.... keep off my lawn!

 

[Frodo-Europa]

i still think myself that Vet rewards are a good and bad thing, good thing because it rewards players that have paid for the game for MANY years and have a very good history about it, but also its a bad thing to have to wait 15 years to get a shield? or 13 years to get a Boura? but hey thats our opinion and thats what we will always go by

 

[Lady Storm]

I am glad you do Frodo.
I do understand you fears of not "living" that long in game to get what you so want.. and I don't doubt that is half the rub why the rest are feeling the same itch to get before the end comes.
I cant tell you how long the game will remain up and running.. EA is a fickle company and does not run logical. In fact I think EA has no business with a board of directors who are not gamers... but I digress.

The only way we can keep UO healthy and running status quo is pay and play... I have lived with guilds full of people and played alone... I am self sufficient. Meaning I can play alone if I want or join in people who want to group... but that IS my choice. I pay for a lot of accounts.. we joke that I pay for a gm's salary... idk. but I like to think I pay to have this game for my use when I want it... and sometimes need it. Stress is a killer and UO seems to take it away...

 

[yars]

Frodo I do understand you want , and I don't mind the rides made for all... even the tiger. yes you heard me. But I do draw the line at EVERYTHING.
I earned my rewards with 16 years of paid service to this game. I paid what can only be called a good new car paid in full. To EA.
Rewards is for loyalty, in business and service.
I am not saying your not loyal but the years are not there in what I put in. The tales my characters could tell you of the times from beta to the future of UO that is minutes away from now.. To yip and snip at the heels of players who have done this very thing with whines and crys of NOT FAIR is a thing to be ashamed of.
Your grandfather earned his social security and paid into it all his life.
Do you think you deserve it more then him? cause you want it?
It's that same analogy.
Earn the right to get it by playing through the coming years. work to earn it.
This most of all will ensure UO's life will continue.
As the little kitten pic says ....
Hang in there kiddo Fridays coming!
meaning:
Good comes to those that wait. Be patient.

PS: Yars
NO read above. Same goes for you. There are some things meant for those who earned them. Yes they are usefull, this I do not disagree with but as for making them for all? Hell No. Period.
They don't effect UO cause the ARE age and account restricted. get the point?

For the record I got one more yr for shard shields,and for the social security analogy,the generation before is paying for next and we have ppl on social security who don't deserve it,but Yes I'm paying for it. Vet rewards were fine til they added stuff that gave an advantage.keep your garden sheds and statues,those were fine.

 

[Frodo-Europa]

Stress is a killer and UO seems to take it away...

ill agree with you on that one LOL i come on here to get away from people and to talk to friends and design houses, i pay for 6 accounts now i have a job so i pay quite abit into UO hehe

 

[Frodo-Europa]

For the record I got one more yr for shard shields,and for the social security analogy,the generation before is paying for next. Vet rewards were fine til they added stuff that gave an advantage.keep your garden sheds and statues,those were fine.

i must say i do agree with that, they shouldn't of added stuff for Advantages, but i guess they thought it was good idea and other people that have them will think the same thing

 

[Lady Storm]

Sweety the reason this new generation is paying for the seniors of today is all cause of a act done by a president who opened Social Security's pocket book an "borrowed" Billions over the years and has yet to give back 1 red cent. That was back when I was a kid.. I saw the congress steal my grandmothers hard earned deposits to it and spend it on everything from Viet nam to the budget.... including pay raises for them! So you see Social Security had they not touched it would be solvent for the future as a secure agency for the aged.
This is true for EA and UO... we were growing by leaps and bounds when EA gave Garrett his walking papers... it was a bad move. But years of EA fingers in the UO pot have paid for many money makers for them. So we have been used in the same way... we lost players through bad ideas that were pushed and made to swallow . many are still here cause for the life of me some grew to love the pain....
I know why many want the shields for all use and sellable... after adding up all the reasons I see its pure greed that it boils down to. Do you think your accounts would be safe if they did?
I got news for you... hacking would go through the roof if they were. The rl money would drive it...
Right this minute shard shields are no threat to the UO economy, as has been said age has help this big time. at first there were barely a few hundred old enough to own one and that still had a choice to pick it! If this was changed..... all hell would break loose.
Now unless your that willing to have the game go down the tubes for a few $..... keep yipping at the heels of the dev.

 

[Lady Storm]

What's really funny is they don't. We have had transfer tokens for years and outside the event shipping that was going on way before the shields came up its still a major money maker for the EA store. AS owner of a few dozen shields I can say many sit with full count on them as I don't use them that often. unless I need something shipped for use that I don't have able characters to do for me. I do fear if they did get changed UO will have trouble and I have said above why

 

[yars]

What's really funny is they don't. We have had transfer tokens for years and outside the event shipping that was going on way before the shields came up its still a major money maker for the EA store. AS owner of a few dozen shields I can say many sit with full count on them as I don't use them that often. unless I need something shipped for use that I don't have able characters to do for me. I do fear if they did get changed UO will have trouble and I have said above why

so if you dont use them then why argue with those who would use them? whose to say they wouldnt make money off the shields? $50-60 a pop? where do put my credit card info?
the point im making is you get the sheilds for somewhat free(no added charge to account).why cant we buy them from the store?

 

[a slave girl]

Just because an ACCOUNT is 16 years old doesn't mean the player who uses it has been playing UO for 16 years since people sell their accounts for cash when they need to pay their light bill irl.

Is nice for the 5 or 6 people who are still here from the beginning to get something unique created just for them but seems an awful waste of resources for the dev team.

I think they should focus more on the Massive in MMORPG, and simply hand out a sash with the main character's name on it for anyone who owns a very old account.

Keeping UO alive is more important then a handful of players who happen to own old accounts. If UO dies, the AGE of all our UO accounts will mean diddly squat.

 

[whiterabbit]

LADY STORM YOOS KNOWS WOT I WANTS *WINK*

 

[whiterabbit]

LADY STORM YOOS KNOWS WOT I WANTS *WINK*

A TALLER LADDER

 

[Voodoo Bad Mojo]

when i see people complain about vet rewards i find it funny.
its called a VETERAN REWARD, its not a anniversary gift, those are the cheesy things they give us in sept.

i personally think they are done just fine.
you stay and play for years, you get a reward.
when people with 5 year old accounts complain about the stuff that the 15 year people are getting its insulting.
if it wasn't for those 15 year people playing.... FOR 15 YEARS you wouldn't be here now playing.

"oh it wrecks the economy"
there would be no 'economy' if those old players hadn't paid to keep this game going for 16 years.
"oh its unfair, level the playing field"
really? so now we should cater the game to the lowest common denominator?
you seem to forget, over and over might i add, that these are VETERAN REWARDS, not gimmy gimmy i want rewards.
these where put in to reward people for years of play.
im even insulted by the fact that they want to remove the age limitations on items so anyone can use them.
insulted yes, surprised no.
like it was mentioned above we even give trophies to people who come in last.
it wasn't that long ago that the slowest runner got eaten for supper, now we give them a medal.
my how times have changed.
we strive for meritocracy.

 

[The Zog historian]

My thoughts exactly. The veteran system is still borked despite the new changes which is how it should have been from day 1. It should be a tiered system. Having to wait 7-8 years to get an item is absurd enough let alone 15-20 years. What I find interesting is most of the discussion about veteran rewards always centers around shards shields. "Blah Blah while I like the Tiger I'm not passing up for a shard shield., "Are the new rewards out? I want to know if I should hold off or get my shard shields". The most sought after item in UOs history and should be available to all. Shard Shields are the most unbalancing item in UOs history. Not only stop making veteran rewards each year re haul the whole damn system and make it fair so the majority of your playerbase has equal access. Lump my post in with the Blah Blah shard shields posts (more to follow I'm sure). That AND make shard shields available at the gamestore. Level the effin' playing field.

As I have pointed out in previous threads, transfer tokens actually equalize supply and prices across shards, while expanding an individual's community. Transfer tokens make it feasible to continue playing on a lower-populated shard where scrolls and rares generally aren't available, and to visit friends on others. For all the money some of us have put into UO, it's nice to get something back for loyalty.

 

[virtualhabitat]

Gifts are not entitlements.

 

[Acid Rain]

It amazes me how quickly any thread having anything to do with VET Rewards gets turned into a 'Gimme Shard Shields' conversation by some folks.

 

[Herman]

you stay and play for years, you get a reward.
when people with 5 year old accounts complain about the stuff that the 15 year people are getting its insulting.

And when 15 year vets do not care to understand that 5 year vets might want more than some 10 year old socks for a vet reward i find that insulting

 

[yars]

It amazes me how quickly any thread having anything to do with VET Rewards gets turned into a 'Gimme Shard Shields' conversation by some folks.

I'm not looking for a handout,I'm looking to invest more money into the game

 

[Dol'Gorath]

I'm almost a max level vet myself and what I don't understand, even after all these years is the UO communities' CONSTANT habit of going with decisions that are bad for the game as a whole. You cry about the population dropping and wanting newer players, and yet you support and encourage systems that are in place that drive off new players like the plague. How would you feel if you started a new game and some of the reward had a 20 [or 16 in this case] year time limit to be able to pick? You too would likely look at that and be turned off instantly.

The devs were right in removing the age restrictions on using then items in game, so a least vets could sell their unwanted picks. Now they need to finish the job and just cap any new additions at 8 years and be done with it, instead of letting it get to the point where you have to spend 2 decades [if the game even lasts 20 more years] to get some items. Thankfully they add rewards to lower tiers as well, or should all the new items be 16 years because "you've been loyal all this time and deserve special candy for being a special snowflake" ?
At some point they will need to stop adding max year rewards and cap it, but hey, even if it's an 8 year reward it's still special, I mean, it's only 2 years short of a DECADE after all.

At this point you should consider than UO itself still being around is your vet reward because with the dropping population EA could easily axe it any day if they don't like the financial report.

 

[Arrgh]

Storm i was also brought up like you, on my birthday i got something and on my sisters birthday i got nothing, thats the way it is and thats the fair way or doing it, But with this Vet rewards it isnt the same, liek i say i would of had to of been 4 to get a 15th year or 6 to get a Boura or something along them lines, i agree with what UO have done about making them so anyone can use them but you can only obtain them when you reach that goal, to me everything should be that, shard shield, garden sheds Etc but i also agree with others that they need something to say they have been here so long, its a hard one really

It does no good to argue with the "haves".

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

My kids played when they were four. I had to restrict their play time once they learned how to read. They played my accounts and so they never got their true vet status.

At about six I made them their own server and they were gms of their own dungeon. They still talk about that to this day during holiday dinners...well that and hockey.

-Lorax

 

[old gypsy]

At this point you should consider than UO itself still being around is your vet reward because with the dropping population EA could easily axe it any day if they don't like the financial report.

That's an interesting way to look at it.

I've been playing since 1998 (with a few breaks here and there). Regarding veteran rewards, I love them and I agree with limiting the number we can select each year. But I would not have a problem with making all the rewards possible choices after the first year, regardless of how much total time someone has devoted to the game.

 

[Uvtha]

i still think myself that Vet rewards are a good and bad thing, good thing because it rewards players that have paid for the game for MANY years and have a very good history about it, but also its a bad thing to have to wait 15 years to get a shield? or 13 years to get a Boura? but hey thats our opinion and thats what we will always go by

I agree. I personally think that making it yearly was a bad idea in the first place, but that has been more or less fixed (are shard shields account bound like soul stones?) by making them universal to use.

 

[Uvtha]

when i see people complain about vet rewards i find it funny.
its called a VETERAN REWARD, its not a anniversary gift, those are the cheesy things they give us in sept.

i personally think they are done just fine.
you stay and play for years, you get a reward.
when people with 5 year old accounts complain about the stuff that the 15 year people are getting its insulting.
if it wasn't for those 15 year people playing.... FOR 15 YEARS you wouldn't be here now playing.

"oh it wrecks the economy"
there would be no 'economy' if those old players hadn't paid to keep this game going for 16 years.
"oh its unfair, level the playing field"
really? so now we should cater the game to the lowest common denominator?
you seem to forget, over and over might i add, that these are VETERAN REWARDS, not gimmy gimmy i want rewards.
these where put in to reward people for years of play.
im even insulted by the fact that they want to remove the age limitations on items so anyone can use them.
insulted yes, surprised no.
like it was mentioned above we even give trophies to people who come in last.
it wasn't that long ago that the slowest runner got eaten for supper, now we give them a medal.
my how times have changed.
we strive for meritocracy.

I'm a 15+ year vet so, I don't fall into that specific group you find insulting, but I WAS on the side of dropping the yearly limits. I was also on the side of not adding in anything with such great functionality like shard shields or items that in essence round off sloppy system design like the seed box or davy jones locker. Heck, I was opposed to ethy's when they put them in.

I personally think the reward for paying for 15 years should be 15 years of fun game play, not trinkets I can show off.
Seeing as how this is an MMO, I personally have more fun when the fun of those I play with is not being impeded pointlessly. I also value having as much freedom as possible. Those are the reasons why I supported the change to make them universal.

The subject group of items is no longer locked out the economy and vet players still are at an advantage because they don't have to pay crazy prices to get the items they want. It's a win/win.
The only hit vets take is that they now can't be sure that the person next to them on a Boura mount is also an "elite" player. I personally will shed no tears over that loss.

Also I would like to note the difference between earning something and being eligible for something. As someone else pointed out, many "vet" accounts are not played by "vet" players. I also personally don't see paying monthly subs as much of a feat of merit.

 

[BigEv]

so if you dont use them then why argue with those who would use them? whose to say they wouldnt make money off the shields? $50-60 a pop? where do put my credit card info?
the point im making is you get the sheilds for somewhat free(no added charge to account).why cant we buy them from the store?

Ya and to add i will never buy a transfer token from uo site since i can get them cheaper on 3rd party sites oh amd they actually taoe my money unlike uo stores issues we all know about so Uo looses again on money from me. I would spend money for the shard sheilds thougj if they offered them. If I had the shard sheild tokens I could travel and spread my wealth to smaller shards for items at better
price than atl. Also I could attend more events etc. To sum up transfer tokens on uo store are ripoffs if you can even get your order through what is it like 20 $ a token lololol. Ya no! For people that say they don't unbalance the economy needs to get a grip on rl cause it does even if you arents "abusing/using them many many many are. They need to be sold in store period. Worst item to go in game in forever if you ask me especially when limiting it to the vets who should already have nice sums of gold to afford transfers and not get an extra leg up on "non long term vets" and unbalance the economy in the process. If I want an item off another shard its a hassel findong someone to bring it over or have to split transfer costs etc when the shard shields solve all problems and save the owner In most cases over the year possibly 100'sof mils in the process by never having to buy a transfer again. So yes unbalancing and unfair to others especially the poorernew players that these sheilds could help tremendously. Bottom line most horrible unbalancing otem added in a long time. I'm all for high level vets getting cool titles ,banners etc deco as long as its not a distinct advantage like shard shields
Oh and PS I'm a very long time vet since game came out. I took a year or 2 non paying break so I'm pretty close to getting the sheilds myself but for all the above reasons they were a horrible idea ans since its too late to remove them they need to be given access to all or sold to all or age greatly lowered to get and use. For all others to have to find someone and trust them to transfer for them or spend 20 $ or 60-80m a token is crazy.....that's not unbalancing????

 

[Acid Rain]

Ruppy2, you should know by now that any thread remotely discussing vet rewards will get hijacked into an anti-vet rewards rant. It happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR at the same damn time. Hell, the 1st response couldn't even stay on topic. This is getting old kids .

"The game is dead so we should get..." - B.S.
"It chases off new players so we should get..." - Totally unprovable.
"So many new players would start playing if they could get..." - 100% Speculation.
"Its game breaking..." or "Its a huge unfair advantage so we should get..." - Cry me a river.
"The game won't even last much longer so we should get..." - Not even worth comment.
etc,...
If you need refreshing on the arguments both pro and con concerning this, please go back and re-read a couple of the dozen locked threads GREATLY covering this topic. Google "Veteran" then "Reward" if confused on definitions, with some of you it may help.

As for your question Ruppy2, maybe the mountable tiger at 15 was a typo and it will be 16. Maybe its actually 15 and there is no 16. At this point I don't think anyone is 100% certain but in just a short period of time we all shall know. Either way, I thank the DEVS for adding new stuff to the game I play.

Thread question answered. Now can we lock this down or
are you Mods just looking to boost view & post counts this month?

PS. Id love to see all the self proclaimed 15yr vets from all the threads on Vet Reward topics meet up in-game sporting even the new 14yr vet title. My guess would be only a handful would show (yes, b/c most are probably lying:loser: ) and close to all that did show wouldn't be in support of giving all players all Vet Rewards or even selling them in the store. Vets are the minority which is why there seems to be so many more complainers.

(EDIT : Great... now we get someone advocating going to illegal websites to purchase duped items rather then supporting the game by making legal purchases... how awesome!) *DOH*

BigEv said: ↑

i will never buy a transfer token from uo site since i can get them cheaper on 3rd party sites​

 

[THP]

That the anniversary year does not have it's own reward?

I realize a 16 year vet can 'go backwards' for the 15 year tiger or the 8 year table.

Although 'happy' for my 15 year account, I am feeling slighted for my 16 year account.

Last year (15) it was the garden shed.
Year 14 was a shard shield.
Year 13 Boura
Year 12 House teleporters

Maybe it was just a typo in the notes that 15 year is a tiger, and was meant for 16th.

J

yup!! you are correct!! relly dont think we need to have any more aged items over 15....theres always plenty to pick from.....yup yup yup tiger is 15th....no typo here!!

 

[BigEv]

Yup ill buyoff a sote that will get your order right everytime and for cheaper. I only get token there. Now if ea would sell shard sheilds od buy from them and actually support the game when I find thay would actually be a good buy. Not a 20 $ per transfer and site don't work all the time lolol

To acid rain get over yourself ur too funny...smh
If you don't see its unbalancing then you need more help on reality and facts.

 

[Uvtha]

PS. Id love to see all the self proclaimed 15yr vets from all the threads on Vet Reward topics meet up in-game sporting even the new 14yr vet title. My guess would be only a handful would show (yes, b/c most are probably lying:loser: ) and close to all that did show wouldn't be in support of giving all players all Vet Rewards or even selling them in the store. Vets are the minority which is why there seems to be so many more complainers.

Why assume that disagreeing with you requires some kind of subterfuge in motive? If you disagree with the counterpoints, fine, but there's no need to call people liars.

As to the answer to your question... I assumed it was rhetorical. Yes, this is the first year.

 

[Acid Rain]

BigEv said: ↑

Yup ill buyoff a sote that will get your order right everytime and for cheaper. I only get token there.​

​

Any store that sells UO items cheaper then the official UO sanctioned store can only be doing so by illegal means. Unless UO is selling items cheaper in bulk to the very stores they consider illegal and have told players NOT to purchase from. These sites are selling you dupes & your eagerly gobbling them up. "Only" getting tokens there is irrelevant and shows poor judgement. I'd suggest your opinions on making UO better for everyone are greatly tainted and dismiss your opinions accordingly. As for help on "reality and facts", I'm not the one complaining about the way Developers have set up a computer game.

Uvtha said: ↑

If you disagree with the counterpoints, fine, but there's no need to call people liars.​

​

Uvtha, I know for fact some of the individuals posting last time this topic came up were lying about their account age. I never said everyone, I never said you, and I specifically never mentioned names. I can only speak from my experiences on my shard and I can safely say that most every +14yr vet Ive spoken with does not follow the majority consensus concerning shard shields which these boards often seem to reflect.

I apologize if you thought I was directing my comments towards you as that was not my intent.
I do certainly agree with you on one thing...

Uvtha said: ↑

Now that anyone can use any year rewards I don't think it matters as much.​

​

Sadly, this still does not pacify some.

 

[BigEv]

I for one will buy from a store that gets my order right and for less. For you to say they are dupes unless u have real knowlegde then you have nothing to stand on here, oh ya and any token i buy from the 3rd party site goes on a vendor without issue since i do check even though i know that vendor dupe detection doesnt work atall.. Possibly they are but work the same amd I save headache and hassel knowing my order comes in without delay. For you to say that diminishes anything I say then again I lol @ u.
The argument is there amd strong ,shard sheilds unbalnace the game, if you can't see that mYbe you need to go back to school and take some finace/economy type courses. Oh and all ur people you know with shard sheilds u say don't use them that way I can tell you names of more than likely soooo many more I know for fact do and ontop of all the other reasons I've listed in other posts above but u seem to miss the point and understand facts as well as econnomics.
Sorry for mispells on phone. Hard to type. :/

 

[Uvtha]

I can only speak from my experiences on my shard and I can safely say that most every +14yr vet Ive spoken with does not follow the majority consensus concerning shard shields which these boards often seem to reflect.

I also have to admit some bias... or lack there of, I guess... playing siege, shard shields are functionally non existent to me. So I can only really speak on my feelings theoretically based on what people say, and what transfer tokens are worth on the store, and what I can assume from what I know about the game.

Still, I was always in the, "if there must be vet rewards have them be 100% decorative/cosmetic", camp when it came to vet rewards, but again, it doesn't matter too much now with universal use.

 

[The Zog historian]

I for one will buy from a store that gets my order right and for less. For you to say they are dupes unless u have real knowlegde then you have nothing to stand on here. Possibly they are but work them same amd I save headache amd ahssel knowing my order comes in without delay. For you to say that diminishes anything I say then again I lol @ u.

You need to apply some common sense here. There's only one source of transfer tokens, so how is it possible for this other site to sell them for less? What is their source?

The argument is there amd strong shard sheilds unbalnace the game, if you can't see that mYbe you need to go back to school and take some finace/economy type courses. Oh and all ur people you know with shard sheilds u say don't use them that way I can tell you names of more than likely soooo many more I know for fact do and ontop of all the other reasons I've listed in other posts above but u seem to miss the point and understand facts as well as econnomics.
Sorry for mispells on phone. Hard to type. :/

You shouldn't bring up finance or economics with me watching. You talk about "imbalance" but don't realize that what shard transfer shields do is the opposite. They, as I have pointed out several times, in fact equalize prices and supply across shards. The concept is so simple that it isn't even to the level of Heckscher-Ohlin and Stolper-Samuelson from Macro I.

As I replied to someone:

However, transfers actually do the opposite of the "imbalance" you think they create. As I have pointed out in previous threads, transfer tokens actually equalize supply and prices across shards, while expanding an individual's community. Transfer tokens make it feasible to continue playing on a lower-populated shard where scrolls and rares generally aren't available, and to visit friends on others. For all the money some of us have put into UO, it's nice to get something back for loyalty.

To someone else:

If I can sell my widgets locally for no more than $5, but I could for $15 on the other side of the country, then for $5 per unit in transportation costs I might initially ask $14. The sellers on the other side of the country getting $15 then drop their price to compete, and it stabilizes at, say, $12. In my locality, people would have to start offering more to get my business. In the end it brings me more profit, profit is reduced for those who were charging more on the other side of the country, the lower price means a greater consumer surplus for buyers on the other side of the country, and buyers local to me have a reduced consumer surplus. All extremes are brought to the middle.

Any "advantage" to getting one transfer token a month was long since paid for. Simple math shows that for the money a 14-year vet has put into the game (minimum of $1680), a 5-year vet can pay for a couple dozen round trips and still not have put in as much money.

Original thread: http://stratics.com/community/threa...balance-suggestion.304002/page-2#post-2303520

 

[Flutter]

PS. Id love to see all the self proclaimed 15yr vets from all the threads on Vet Reward topics meet up in-game sporting even the new 14yr vet title. My guess would be only a handful would show (yes, b/c most are probably lying:loser: ) and close to all that did show wouldn't be in support of giving all players all Vet Rewards or even selling them in the store. Vets are the minority which is why there seems to be so many more complainers.

(EDIT : Great... now we get someone advocating going to illegal websites to purchase duped items rather then supporting the game by making legal purchases... how awesome!) *DOH*

I have an account that is 192 months.
I'll post a ss if you need it. Why would people lie?

 

[Minerva Foxglove]

How I wish I had owned a comp and internet connection 16 years ago.. Where I live it didnt become possible until 2000. I just got my shard shields so I dont complaint thou. What I enver the oldest vets are the memories from the oldest days , ive heard so many stories.. Sadly I hear thoose lucky vets raging ower that all younger vets or newer players want some of their fancy items. You got more choices than the newer ppl will never get , is it so terrible if they can pick some too? Isnt it more important that the game is good for all users ? Doesnt that give hope Britannia will last longer and be a better place?
Its sad for us old ppl that mingle with the newcomers to tell them sorry you can not have one of thoose for eight more years , no you have to wait 12 years.. no not that one eighter.. Isnt it enough that we had all the fun , we must have fancy items just for a few of us?

 

[Petra Fyde]

Real big let down no 16 year rewards... I kept 2- 15 year old account active for a whole year just to get new 16 year rewards........... Guess no surprises coming out and I can let all my accounts I do not play waste away and get down to just my main account. Thanks EA you are actually saving me money by not coming out with new rewards

how on earth do you work that one out?
They appear to have stopped counting at 15 - which in a lot of ways makes sense, but they haven't stopped adding new rewards. There are 3 new rewards this year, the lighthouse, the gadgetry table and the tiger mount.

 

[Frodo-Europa]

How I wish I had owned a comp and internet connection 16 years ago.. Where I live it didnt become possible until 2000. I just got my shard shields so I dont complaint thou. What I enver the oldest vets are the memories from the oldest days , ive heard so many stories.. Sadly I hear thoose lucky vets raging ower that all younger vets or newer players want some of their fancy items. You got more choices than the newer ppl will never get , is it so terrible if they can pick some too? Isnt it more important that the game is good for all users ? Doesnt that give hope Britannia will last longer and be a better place?
Its sad for us old ppl that mingle with the newcomers to tell them sorry you can not have one of thoose for eight more years , no you have to wait 12 years.. no not that one eighter.. Isnt it enough that we had all the fun , we must have fancy items just for a few of us?

this is a good sample of what Europa has to tell every single one of the new people that join, they always ask us for this and that and we have to tell them no, i will say i see them for about 3 more days and don't see them again (Minerva Is From Europa So She Knows What Im Saying) i must say some people do stay, not for the rewards for the fun of playing the game, but there is not many people that i can say i have helped and have to say No they cant have this last more than a week....

There is going to be arguments about this type of thing for YEARS to come, if the devs take away all rewards and replaced with Robes (You Survived 16 Years) Or A Staff (You Survived 16 Years) Then people would moan about that, to be real honest here the Devs cant really win, if you sit and think about it, No matter what Devs do we always complain YES i said We even me, i complain about thing in my UO life, but i really dont think Devs can win on some things, they could of Won if they never brought in things that gave Advantages in the first place but its here now they wont take it away and im VERY sure they wont make the shard shields for everyone, i still always said, why pay to get to another shard? maybe they should put a special gate in on all shards to get to different shards?... but i dont know....

Yup ill buyoff a store that will get your order right everytime and for cheaper. I only get token there. Now if ea would sell shard sheilds od buy from them and actually support the game when I find thay would actually be a good buy. Not a 20 $ per transfer and site don't work all the time lolol

I am the same, i buy from cheaper places and places i know will get me my items on time and not mess me about, this thing with the codes you need to put XXXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX i really dont get why they dont fix this, this puts me off buying anything because i have to faf about retyping things when all i want is my item so i agree with you on that my friend..

P.S. liek i said before Devs will never win