Anyone noticed this? Search sites still working. Players still training spam spells at banks and bashing golems.
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vegetable throwing
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Babble
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Vegetable throwing would be fun though.
Golem bashing has nothing to do with scripting.
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Stupid Miner
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"Kal Vas...the most fun thing should be the ability to throw everything (like shoes
imagine in pvp, you run out of mana then you throw your shoes against the enemy
You have been hit in the face with a steel-toed boot.
Your concentration is disturbed, thus ruining thy spell."
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Tazar
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There's nothing illegal about spamming spells or bashing golems... so long as you are at the keyboard. Neither of these require a 3rd party program - which is what the new software is designed to detect.
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Bill Gates OSD
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You, sir, owe me a new keyboard and several towels."Kal Vas...
You have been hit in the face with a steel-toed boot.
Your concentration is disturbed, thus ruining thy spell."
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StaticOnAtlantic
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Needless to say its 100% (at times for 99.9%) of the players unattended.....
and for the spellcasters / recall miners / recall jacks / Jelhom tamers, list goes on and on.
*laughs* Ah it's the little things in life.. one must not be taking a drink when reading.... or buy an indestructible keyboard. Though I worry more about ruining my Monitor since it's worth about 10 more than the keyboard.You, sir, owe me a new keyboard and several towels."Kal Vas...
You have been hit in the face with a steel-toed boot.
Your concentration is disturbed, thus ruining thy spell."
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Beastmaster
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Gerald the Healer: Ah! You have been plugged in the rear with a right juicy beet.Vegetable throwing would be fun though.
For 295 gold I can remove that beet and the stain. For a little less you will remain somewhat tinged.
I know several that do to..... I don't but I know many who do sadly.
I try to make them think about it try to persuade them not to... sometimes it works sometimes it don't.
I would like to throw things in game. I would love to.
Used to be you could open doors and slap people with telekinesis... I miss that.
I try to make them think about it try to persuade them not to... sometimes it works sometimes it don't.
I would like to throw things in game. I would love to.
Used to be you could open doors and slap people with telekinesis... I miss that.
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Trevelyan
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Perhaps the problem is what UO doesn't do, than what 3rd party programs do do.
UO has a built in macro system which everyone accepts, despite it making UO a hell of a lot easier. UOA makes things even easier and the EC allows you to view corpses with a grid view, making things like treasure hunting far easier than in the classic client.
So, either something needs to be done to prevent people being able to have an edge or everyone should be allowed to do the same thing. There are a lot of very useful (and not competitively enhancing) things that can be done through a certain "illegal" program but, because I care about my accounts, I wouldn't ever use it.
UO has a built in macro system which everyone accepts, despite it making UO a hell of a lot easier. UOA makes things even easier and the EC allows you to view corpses with a grid view, making things like treasure hunting far easier than in the classic client.
So, either something needs to be done to prevent people being able to have an edge or everyone should be allowed to do the same thing. There are a lot of very useful (and not competitively enhancing) things that can be done through a certain "illegal" program but, because I care about my accounts, I wouldn't ever use it.
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Fink
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I hate beets.
In Australia, they put sliced beets on hamburgers. If you go to any burger place that isn't a known franchise, be sure and specify "no beetroot", unless you really want to take in the local colour.
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I expect, at first, there will be a small number of actions taken against manually verified uses of illegal third party programs. If they have the least bit of humility regarding the accuracy of their detection methods, they will tread very carefully.
There would be any number of throw-away accounts that are running cash type scripts and those would be the ones that need to be constantly squashed. Scripting only need be made less (than) profitable to kill off most of these. Of course, fewer sharks in the water means less competition for tasty, complacent fish.
A real boon of an anti-cheat initiative, at least against otherwise legitimate players, could be in the threat of banning. No doubt a decent proportion of cheaters are using hacks or whatever on their proper play accounts while attended. I think these would be the type of cheat to be dissuaded by the risk of getting caught and losing their somewhat valued accounts. A small attack against these accounts might prompt a larger group to abandon cheating.
Hmmm...I personally know multiple people that have been using so called 3rd party programs on a daily basis since so called "3rd party detection" came out. None have been banned. I can confirm this probably because I fall under this category.
We have all heard how cheating hurts UO. So from a cheaters point of view, how about you tell us how it doesn't hurt UO and how it is fair to all the non cheaters in UO that you cheat.
Yes it does.
First off... I don't script anything therefore those that do hurt me by gathering resources while they sleep... making it difficult for people who actually go out and gather them without cheating to make any profit from it.
I don't cheat so those that cheat using healing scripts and speed hacks it makes it impossible for a person to compete in PvP or PvM... Because these folk always get the jump on everyone else. That hurts me.
I don't script skill gains I work at them... while other people script them doing things like taming bulls and whatnot unattended they take up the taming spots making it hard to get a place to gain skill...
Though it's seriously my opinion that skill scripting hurts the scripter more than anything because they don't learn how to use their character because they are in such a hurry to gain they never quite get the feel of the game and then because they want instant gratification on everything the DEV's have reduced the game to suit those who are impatient... thereby ruining the game for everyone else.
So now you know.
Seems to me that those who script and can't wait to do things have been taking quite a bit out of the game.... and have caused many bad things to happen.
And it's also what caused the DEV's to ruin the game for everyone else by randomizing the mining and lumberjacking locations as well...
You can not deny my logic. Your cheating hurts everyone.... because the DEV's have to make more and more silly changes to the game to stop your rule breaking behavior.
Changes that if you all played the game as intended wouldn't have been necessary.
I choose to play by the rules. I can not help that you do not.
And If and when you lose your account to your cheating ways then don't come crying here.
Well I don't see the point in playing a game and NOT having fun (which is exactly what skill training/resource gathering/etc. So if they want to ban me because they failed to update 13 year old game mechanics properly then so be it. I'd rather quit than pay to play a game and NOT have fun.
Well I see you have totally ignored this. Gee can think of one honest answer. Didn't think so. Can't say I didn't give you a chance. I hope they ban you all and when the word gets out that UO has cleaned up its act then maybe people will come back.Hmmm...I personally know multiple people that have been using so called 3rd party programs on a daily basis since so called "3rd party detection" came out. None have been banned. I can confirm this probably because I fall under this category.We have all heard how cheating hurts UO. So from a cheaters point of view, how about you tell us how it doesn't hurt UO and how it is fair to all the non cheaters in UO that you cheat.
If you think scripting hurt UO then you're an idiot. DUPING killed the economy scripting doesn't hold a candle to the damage duping did. Which, by the way, was the developers' faults. Also, whether or not one of my characters has a skill in no way has an impact on your game play. As I've stated on so many occasions, if you truly enjoyed training skills and resource gathering you wouldn't be here crying about people who avoid the monotony that has become training in UO. Scripting in no way violates game mechanics, so why would it make a difference if you're there or not? Oh yes, because some trammy is upset that your pixels are exactly the same as his except he spent hours of tedious macro mashing getting them.
Not one honest answer, just insults. Spoken like a true CHEATER. If playing UO by the rules that you agreed to is so boring then just quit. On no I would rather cheat at UO to prove I am better than you. LOL
Wow, you're like a broken record. All you do is cry cheater and act like that immediately makes your position just. When you want to debate the subject on a somewhat intellectual level you let me know. Until then, see you on the boards! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. I mean seriously, who has ever seen cal post in a thread other than the one containing his so called "producer's letters"?)
Read the posts before these and you will see I did ask you for an honest answer and all you can come back with are insults. So don't try giving me your intellectual BS.
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Zodia
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As long as you can make a free trial account in 2 minutes, you will never get rid of the vendor search websites.
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StaticOnAtlantic
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WHAT???? not one person on this forum has addressed "search websites" and then this from left field.
AS we can all tell this thread has been made 1000's of times since the dawn of Uo.stratics.com. With both sides taking there strong opinions and not weathering in there views.
Lets be honest here, adults we say?, While duping killed UO's Econ on mostly high end items, and added "rare" items inside the game, it has still had a long lasting affect since the whole "dog" and "xfer" issues.
But adding scripting to UO has been around since release of UO, It began to rise in population in 99-00 and has been rampant ever since, While the level of sophistication of the scripting programs in 99-00 was quite low, It still played a added aspect into UO, I mean during Ebay days it was quite possible for players to make a huge amount of money in real life.
Scripting HAS done NOTHING to the economy, Not a one single thing, All it has done is
#1, lower prices on items,
#2, made them more readability available to the everyday player,
#3, has aloud players to "lvl" up their chars in record time.
The argument that players who "non" script are out gold/items/time because players so script is complete and utter bs.
I would say from an outside view that most players who do script use it for personal development, weather thats raising skills or getting resources for themselves to use. I would doubt that a majority use it for MAJOR gold gain, there are exceptions, but again unlikely.
Players will flag me as a lier, cheat whatever for "defending" scripting, which I dont use, BUT i only consider cheating something that gives you an unfair advantage, and I dont see it here. Duping is an unfair advantage, but the scripting issue weather its UOA, EC Windows, or other unspoken programs, NONE of them give you a 100% unfair advantage.
The only slight advantage that they have is obvious, Repeating a motion over and over again without being present, inflating skills and or receiving a resource from using the script.
No one is forced to buy from another player. let me restate that, NO ONE IS FORCED TO BUY FROM ANOTHER PLAYER
Banning a player really does nothing, most have many alt accounts under different CC #'s and names. and move resources quite often.
Scripting has done nothing to UO except have players create needless threads here on stratics about it.
While UO Needs to get ahold of this issue, There will always be an pink elephant in the room on this topic. No way around it amigo's. unless the whole code of the game is changed, which it would be a 100% overhall to change, and theres no money in the bank for that here at EA/Mythic.
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Vaelix
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Because Healing/Potion/Boxes/PvP Resource scripts don't exist... Mr Static
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StaticOnAtlantic
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Dont know what you are referring to?
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Vaelix
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There are Scripts that Function In pvp.. Which do more than just Gather resources..
Scripts that Auto Bandaid Heal you.
Scripts that Auto Poiton you..
Scripts that Auto Trap Box.
Using the "Well it only affects resources" Argument is Void.. Scripting has long since expanded past Resource Gathering.
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StaticOnAtlantic
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Well you got me there didnt you shooter, sorry i missed the 2% of UO players who PVP.
When I was referring to the comments above, the comments and challenges where to the "abuse of the economy" done by the evil scripters, Drinking a potion or remounting auto heal etc does not affect the everyday player. But it does affect for "farming of resources, IE Mats Arties etc"
O there we go again I said it, Resources..... Because PVP players who run around with horrible names and act like mental ill children auto heal etc I see no affect on everyday players or the economy.
When I was referring to the comments above, the comments and challenges where to the "abuse of the economy" done by the evil scripters, Drinking a potion or remounting auto heal etc does not affect the everyday player. But it does affect for "farming of resources, IE Mats Arties etc"
O there we go again I said it, Resources..... Because PVP players who run around with horrible names and act like mental ill children auto heal etc I see no affect on everyday players or the economy.
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Vaelix
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Because.. its Fair to Exclude PvP Examples when Discussing Cheating and its Over-All affect
While expecting Us Pvpers to accept your Examples of Cheating/Affect on PvM.
Do I cheat, No
Am I against Cheating, yes
Where am I against cheating the Most, PvP
Are you a Hypocrite, Yes (Thats twice now)
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StaticOnAtlantic
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and what example of a Hypocrite am I? I think this is your fav word, 2nd post tonight calling me a Hypocrite in 2 post. I just need facts my friend, Thats what I work off of. Not made up thoughts and misguided comments.
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Vaelix
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You are a Hypocrite in the Fact that you are expecting to use PvM Examples as a Basis against Cheating, while excluding PvP Examples because You are not a PvPer yourself..
Last time I checked Cheating Affected the Entire Game, not Singularly the aspect of the game you are interested in.
You say that scripting hasnt Ruined the Game because of "PvM Example X" But Wont even acknowledge the fact that Scripting/Cheating has Vastly Ruined the PvP Aspect of the Game For Non Cheating Players.
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StaticOnAtlantic
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Well not to be a smart arse but the def for a Hypocrite is,
a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Which I have never done.
You missed my point in its entirety above, When I say Resources I do mean everything from Artifacts to resources which you are INSISTING i keep mentioning ingots boards etc.
PVP has a slight if not insignificant impact on UO Shards, THERE is NO affect on a normal player who sits in Luna bank due to a mentally ill child who runs around spamming spells and heals himself and drink pots etc. No impact none, except that the players who "dont" cheat will usally end up leaving the scene and change there game play, Again not affecting UO's economy.
a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Which I have never done.
You missed my point in its entirety above, When I say Resources I do mean everything from Artifacts to resources which you are INSISTING i keep mentioning ingots boards etc.
PVP has a slight if not insignificant impact on UO Shards, THERE is NO affect on a normal player who sits in Luna bank due to a mentally ill child who runs around spamming spells and heals himself and drink pots etc. No impact none, except that the players who "dont" cheat will usally end up leaving the scene and change there game play, Again not affecting UO's economy.
Umm I can spam spells in EC and with UOA, unattended even if i wanted too, not that i do nor do i endorse it. But if the topic is 3rd party apps spamming doesn't mean jack.
Also, I can bash a golem nonstop in the EC or the CC with UOA, again, unattended if i wanted to, again not that i do nor do i endorse it.
People need to realize that HEY things are possible to do without illegal 3rd party apps. Also in my experience is most illegal 3rd party app users WONT be at the bank spamming or bashing in public especially if they are unattended. That is just asking to get caught.
Ive normally stayed outta this debate becuase i think it is quite comical at the least. .........There CPU is faster than mine there cheating, there hitting a golem and wont talk to me there cheating......there doing this tehre doing that.....blah blah blah blah. When the sad truth is is people just dont know how to use the tools legally available to them and since they do not know how to do it everyone else that does is cheating.
The illegal 3rd party program usage has gone down. Ive surfed the boards at some of the nameless programs sites, the usage and participation is WAY down and almost seems like a ghost town.
As far as the search sites.......let them be all they are doing is giving us a way to search for what we want and the location on where to find it. I am not going to go through 3000 vendors in Luna one by one just to find the one thing i need.
So since i RECALL when i mine and i RECALL when i LJack then im a scripter too then?
I think the OP was just trying to start another TROLL fest thread.
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Yalp
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Any action taken to eliminate cheating on EA/Mythic's part needs to done as openly as possible.
If they have a serious stand against cheating, are serious about ending cheating.. then excluding the players name/accounts is the ONLY information that should be withheld.
There should be a VERY public dissemination of information on 1) The actions taken against 2) xxx number of accounts for 3) the nature of their violation. Only then will the player base know that EA/Mythic is serious about ending cheating in their game.
It should read something like this.. "This week EA/Mythic has frozen the accounts and taken possession of the houses/banks and characters of 5 individual accounts for resource scripting. The houses have been taken over by OSI and will be deleted."
Otherwise it just smells like a whitewash. "This week the first series of actions took place on 3rd party program use offenders. "
If they have a serious stand against cheating, are serious about ending cheating.. then excluding the players name/accounts is the ONLY information that should be withheld.
There should be a VERY public dissemination of information on 1) The actions taken against 2) xxx number of accounts for 3) the nature of their violation. Only then will the player base know that EA/Mythic is serious about ending cheating in their game.
It should read something like this.. "This week EA/Mythic has frozen the accounts and taken possession of the houses/banks and characters of 5 individual accounts for resource scripting. The houses have been taken over by OSI and will be deleted."
Otherwise it just smells like a whitewash. "This week the first series of actions took place on 3rd party program use offenders. "
I'm with you there Yalp, I think it would be a very useful deterrent if the community got a regular breakdown of the numbers banned on each shard. I wouldn't want cheats to think "once a month they ban players" and use that to work the system, which I guess might be why Cal hasn't committed to giving us figures... But I'm sure even just the odd update at random intervals would do the trick.
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Yalp
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yes.. pavlov's dog comes to mind.. i just don't want to be the dog!
I trying to get confirmation like
"can't find lj/miner recalling around nonstop on my home shard"
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"there are still lj/miner recalling around nonstop on my home shard"
You just proved that it doesn't, lol.
No, that was caused by people whining on Stratics, nothing else.
Cheats don't hurt the game eh?
well take a look or Rares collectors forum
not allowed to name the player, but all of them items were script looted when a tram castle fell
script placed aswell, osi so no delay, and sadly for said player did not conrfirm placement so a legal placer got the castle and will be for sale soon
but the 1BILLION+ gold that will be made from the sale not only fuels the activities of "suspect" players but adds cash when gold is sold on outside websites
when there are at least 20 high end rare items go to 1 player when other have to sift through hundreds of other item tags, you gotta know there is foul play afoot. collected moved to ALT to be sold for most omney, like clockwork, again, never a doubt they were going that way. Eurpoa history in tatters one of the other negative affects.
what make me even more sick, if you KNOW there is foul play and highlight it on the forums you get a stratics warning and the real cheat just continues to do what they do
so YES it hurts the game
ANYBODY that says otherwise is a 3rd party cheat,or is protecting one or turning a blind eye to one, ie friends etc, and i know one or two of these peeps too. There is NO excuse for script training, if you think its hard to train disco/taming mystic etc then this is NOT the game for you, it is not a RACE, you put in the time you have, computers running when you are in bad, is illegal
what amazes me, is there are STILL script miners out there, that i have paging on for AGES are still out there doing the very same thing, but i have faith in the Dev team, and they WILL be dealt with sooner or later, I am in this for the long run, so i know WE the honest players will prevail
i look back on when SA first came out, script site out of action for a few weeks, and there was many player straining imbuing, it was amazing, no cheats anywhere and the game was florishing, sadly the site got updated and here we are
well take a look or Rares collectors forum
not allowed to name the player, but all of them items were script looted when a tram castle fell
script placed aswell, osi so no delay, and sadly for said player did not conrfirm placement so a legal placer got the castle and will be for sale soon
but the 1BILLION+ gold that will be made from the sale not only fuels the activities of "suspect" players but adds cash when gold is sold on outside websites
when there are at least 20 high end rare items go to 1 player when other have to sift through hundreds of other item tags, you gotta know there is foul play afoot. collected moved to ALT to be sold for most omney, like clockwork, again, never a doubt they were going that way. Eurpoa history in tatters one of the other negative affects.
what make me even more sick, if you KNOW there is foul play and highlight it on the forums you get a stratics warning and the real cheat just continues to do what they do
so YES it hurts the game
ANYBODY that says otherwise is a 3rd party cheat,or is protecting one or turning a blind eye to one, ie friends etc, and i know one or two of these peeps too. There is NO excuse for script training, if you think its hard to train disco/taming mystic etc then this is NOT the game for you, it is not a RACE, you put in the time you have, computers running when you are in bad, is illegal
what amazes me, is there are STILL script miners out there, that i have paging on for AGES are still out there doing the very same thing, but i have faith in the Dev team, and they WILL be dealt with sooner or later, I am in this for the long run, so i know WE the honest players will prevail
i look back on when SA first came out, script site out of action for a few weeks, and there was many player straining imbuing, it was amazing, no cheats anywhere and the game was florishing, sadly the site got updated and here we are
What would prevent them from simply making some numbers up to keep people happy?
And where's your evidence of this so called "script looting"?
ROFLMAO!!! You can "script place" with UOA. Please lrn2play the game.
LOL, so just because you guys couldn't figure out how to do it legit, you suspect foul play?
You didn't even know you can script place with UOA, so you are in no position to judge whether anyone cheats.
Or perhaps they're legit miners, you have no way to discern which is which from the outside.
Several cheats still worked when SA came out, nice try though.
I must be missing something here, Debate what? scripting is illegal, there is no debate, or justification
you mean UOA can watch a housesign and keep you from timing out, by keeping you invisible and saluting, and then place a castle over a castle that just fell, so that your second char, inside the castle gets dumped under the housesign, then selects the rare items and pick them up whether you are there or not?
WOW who needs the illegal site when you can do that
pls show me i will pay alot of gold for that
And how exactly did you know it happened like that? And how do you even know thats how its done? hmmmmm?
we used to report naked young players standing at the front of idocs, back when there was a market for plots
naked saluting players
then came the horse riders so you could not see saluting
then came the hidden saluters that could be revealed with lava snake talismans
over the years you see the HIGH end items disappear to then be sold on "suspect" website, run by self confessed scripters
so, 1040 idocs 6 years and a team of us witnessing such actions, and speaking with idocers from other shards witnessing same events in same time span
that my friend is how WE know
Also
Hidden chars waiting for the house to turn idoc, for hours sometimes before and AFTER it turns, still there, revealed and killed in fell, Ghost saluting, or revealed with lava snake tali, like mentioned, saluting even though it has turned? not sounding odd to you?
when the players placed their new houses they would be standing there, sometimes for hours after, as they did not get the fall time, not going into their new house castle etc as you would expect, not sounding odd to you?
next question?...............
naked saluting players
then came the horse riders so you could not see saluting
then came the hidden saluters that could be revealed with lava snake talismans
over the years you see the HIGH end items disappear to then be sold on "suspect" website, run by self confessed scripters
so, 1040 idocs 6 years and a team of us witnessing such actions, and speaking with idocers from other shards witnessing same events in same time span
that my friend is how WE know
Also
Hidden chars waiting for the house to turn idoc, for hours sometimes before and AFTER it turns, still there, revealed and killed in fell, Ghost saluting, or revealed with lava snake tali, like mentioned, saluting even though it has turned? not sounding odd to you?
when the players placed their new houses they would be standing there, sometimes for hours after, as they did not get the fall time, not going into their new house castle etc as you would expect, not sounding odd to you?
next question?...............
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