[UO Herald] Terms of Service Reminder

[Cetric]

Hmm. This partially explains why everybody and the brother was freaking out and calling me a hacker/saying they were gunna page when they died yesterday. Guess they just don't understand why they die to me =(

Let the random misguided accusations begin!

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Hmm. This partially explains why everybody and the brother was freaking out and calling me a hacker/saying they were gunna page when they died yesterday. Guess they just don't understand why they die to me =(

Let the random misguided accusations begin!

That actually goes on regardless of what they say or do not say.

I've been accused of speed-hacking, even though I'm actually fairly slow at worst, of inconsistent speed at best.

-Galen's player

 

[popps]

Just wondering, why not send to players also an in-game message (like those sometimes sent by Game Masters after a page) besides an e-mail, in case of a warning ?

Of course, if there was a ban (whether temporary or permanent) the player would not be able to log in and so an e-mail would be the only possible way to inform the player about the action taken, but in case of a warning, why not also send an in-game message ?

 

[Smurcoch]

What I would like to see, is if a player paiges on someone for using a program, and it turns out they are not, the player paiging gets a ban for wasting time of the GM.

All this is doing is giving players the right to waste everyone's time just because someone is better at playing a game than someone else.

 

[R Traveler]

What I would like to see, is if a player paiges on someone for using a program, and it turns out they are not, the player paiging gets a ban for wasting time of the GM.

Its already possible:

<U><CENTER>Another player is harassing me using game mechanics.</CENTER></U><BR><BR>PHYSICAL HARASSMENT<BR>Use this option when another player is harassing your character using game mechanics. Physical harassment includes but is not limited to luring and any act that causes a players death in Trammel. Before you submit a complaint be sure you understand what constitutes harassment <A HREF="http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=59">- What is physical harassment? -</A> and that you have followed these steps:<BR>1. You have asked the player to stop and they have continued.<BR>2. You have tried to remove yourself from the situation.<BR>3. You have done nothing to instigate or further encourage the harassment.<BR>4. You have added the player to your ignore list. <A HREF="http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=137">- How do I ignore a player? -</A><BR>5. You have read and understand Origins definition of harassment.<BR>6. Your account information is up to date. (Including a current email address)<BR>*If these steps have not been taken, GMs may be unable to take action against the offending player.<BR>**This issue will be reviewed by a GM to assess the validity of this complaint. Abuse of this system is a violation of the Rules of Conduct.

<U><CENTER>Another player is harassing me (or Exploiting).</CENTER></U><BR>VERBAL HARASSMENT<BR>Use this option when another player is verbally harassing your character. Verbal harassment behaviors include but are not limited to, using bad language, threats etc.. Before you submit a complaint be sure you understand what constitutes harassment <A HREF="http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=45"> what is verbal harassment? -</A> and that you have followed these steps:<BR>1. You have asked the player to stop and they have continued.<BR>2. You have tried to remove yourself from the situation.<BR>3. You have done nothing to instigate or further encourage the harassment.<BR>4. You have added the player to your ignore list. <A HREF="http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=137">- How do I ignore a player?</A><BR>5. You have read and understand Origins definition of harassment.<BR>6. Your account information is up to date. (Including a current email address)<BR>*If these steps have not been taken, GMs may be unable to take action against the offending player.<BR>**A chat log will be review by a GM to assess the validity of this complaint. Abuse of this system is a violation of the Rules of Conduct.<BR>EXPLOITING<BR>Use this option to report someone who may be exploiting or cheating. <A HREF="http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42">

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Everyone has seen that the original Herald post has been updated to include UOCartographer as legal, right?

 

[Zosimus]

Yah saw it a while ago





*Im not skinny. I'm anorexic. *

 

[DevilsOwn]

making sure I understand this....


some are angry about being reminded of things they've been ignoring successfully



that about cover it?

good grief

 

[Cyanide_Mage]

This will make UO a griefer's paradise. All a griefer has to do is report you for whatever he decides to report you for and you'll get a warning for an infraction. Absolutely no hint that the GM's will check themselves, they'll just take the griefer's word for it.

"Let's see... Hey! That guy Tom is at his house is making potion after potion. I'll report him for unattended macroing. And ****, that jerk who wouldn't let me join his champ party I'll turn in and say he made monsters attack me! And Harry, that dang PvPer who whomped my hide last week. I'll get him nailed for... for... yeah! I'll say he said ^*&^% and get him a black mark as well. After a few weeks of fun they'll all be banned from UO and I'll find some more people to screw over and get banned. Yay!! Now UO is a lot more fun! <laughs>"

 

[Llewen]

What bothers me about this whole issue is that the onus should not be on players to be paging on other players for cheating. This should be automated. If they can detect cheats, which I'm assuming they can because I've seen plenty of people take vacations because of them, the process should be automated.

If a cheat is detected at the very least the account should be automatically flagged and this should lead to an investigation of the account. Players shouldn't have to be paging on other players to get Bioware to act in this issue. The official stance on this issue should be a proactive, not a reactive one.

 

[AesSedai]

The official stance on this issue should be a proactive, not a reactive one.

- Aye, agree.

I do hope that 'suspension' = 'permanent ban', in this instance.

 

[Llewen]

The official stance on this issue should be a proactive, not a reactive one.

- Aye, agree.

I do hope that 'suspension' = 'permanent ban', in this instance.

Well, I would disagree with you there. I think there should be a progression. Cheating is such a part of the culture of UO, and it has been allowed to go on for so long, that proceeding straight to permanent bans for infractions would be, I think, unwise.

I think it should start with a warning, then a 24 hour suspension, then a 48 hour suspension, then a 72 hour suspension, then a two week suspension, then a permanent ban. In a very real way this is a monster that the devs and the publisher have helped create by refusing to properly enforce their own TOS in the past, so proceeding straight to permanent bans would be unwise, and unfair.

Players need to realize that the devs and the publisher are serious about enforcing the TOS before, I think, it is fair that they bear the full responsibility for breaking that TOS. That is assuming of course that this announcement actually means they are serious about enforcing the TOS this time. Because we've certainly seen many warnings and minor actions before that resulted in little or no real broad based action with regard to the issue of cheating.

So while this announcement is a nice nod to the few honest players left in the game, I reserve the right to be deeply cynical about it's seriousness and will remain so until I see it is backed by a true will to act on the issue.

 

[Tjalle]

How is it that I still see that character named Plague on GL dressed up in Newbie necromancer gear running the same rail every day all day?

I see him on Pacific everyday too.

Ditto for Chesapeake

Whenever I go vendor shopping in Luna on Europa I see him too.

Same name, same outfit and always doing the same rounds.

 

[AesSedai]

Well, I would disagree with you there. I think there should be a progression. Cheating is such a part of the culture of UO, and it has been allowed to go on for so long, that proceeding straight to permanent bans for infractions would be, I think, unwise...
...

- Sure, I agree with most of that. They did say suspension and that implies a temporary pause and not a permanent removal. But to say it is unfair to swiftly perma-ban cheaters.. I disagree with that. Unwise, yes (at this latter time of upholding their terms that we agreed to follow and expected to see enforced, for the good of the game); but unfair? I disagree.

I would be inclined to believe they will give cheaters every chance to stop. And, with all the 'fair' warnings, only a fool would get perma-banned without washing their gains, in some form or many fashions.. and that is why I cannot put much weight into this reminder about a particularly destructive aspect of our game.

But to repeat: this was just a reminder that we do have rules and may get warned, or eventually maybe more, if we do not follow them. And I acknowledge that.

(& Yes, it saddens me immensely that we can sit here and agree that: cheating is such a part of the culture of UO. UO could have always been so much greater, financially and entertainment-wise, if it had worked more to maintain its integrity <-- I firmly believe that. I still hope it can regain its integrity, but it has been a long time since the Draconi clan lit any fires under that issue; and my light on this issue has unfortunately grown quite dim. I still hold a few lumens for this issue and would love to see all of UO get brighter and shine like its potential still offers)

 

[outcry]

This will make UO a griefer's paradise. All a griefer has to do is report you for whatever he decides to report you for and you'll get a warning for an infraction. Absolutely no hint that the GM's will check themselves, they'll just take the griefer's word for it.

"Let's see... Hey! That guy Tom is at his house is making potion after potion. I'll report him for unattended macroing. And ****, that jerk who wouldn't let me join his champ party I'll turn in and say he made monsters attack me! And Harry, that dang PvPer who whomped my hide last week. I'll get him nailed for... for... yeah! I'll say he said ^*&^% and get him a black mark as well. After a few weeks of fun they'll all be banned from UO and I'll find some more people to screw over and get banned. Yay!! Now UO is a lot more fun! <laughs>"

I feel bad for all the people afk then in luna because your right all a griefer has to do is report them and bam

 

[Tjalle]

I feel bad for all the people afk then in luna because your right all a griefer has to do is report them and bam

There´s an Inn right upstairs...

 

[Llewen]

This will make UO a griefer's paradise. All a griefer has to do is report you for whatever he decides to report you for and you'll get a warning for an infraction. Absolutely no hint that the GM's will check themselves, they'll just take the griefer's word for it.

This is ridiculous. Of course the GM's aren't going to act solely on the basis of a complaint, no matter how badly worded the op may be. Nothing in the op is new, it is simply a reiteration of current policy, and a confirmation of the policy that has been in place since third party cheat detection was introduced. The "usual suspects" who are against any action taken in opposition to UO's culture of cheating are engaging in their usual fear mongering.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

This will make UO a griefer's paradise. All a griefer has to do is report you for whatever he decides to report you for and you'll get a warning for an infraction. Absolutely no hint that the GM's will check themselves, they'll just take the griefer's word for it.

This is ridiculous. Of course the GM's aren't going to act solely on the basis of a complaint, no matter how badly worded the op may be. Nothing in the op is new, it is simply a reiteration of current policy, and a confirmation of the policy that has been in place since third party cheat detection was introduced. The "usual suspects" who are against any action taken in opposition to UO's culture of cheating are engaging in their usual fear mongering.

That may be. You probably are absolutely correct. However, exactly why is it so difficult for the OP to be clarified? Either the OP needs to be edited or one of the devs or a customer service rep should post in the thread. Why is that so damned hard to do? The OP is badly worded.

 

[Fridgster]

Whenever I go vendor shopping in Luna on Europa I see him too.

Same name, same outfit and always doing the same rounds.

I see that dude on napa all the time too (plague)

 

[Tanivar]

This is ridiculous. Of course the GM's aren't going to act solely on the basis of a complaint, no matter how badly worded the op may be. Nothing in the op is new, it is simply a reiteration of current policy, and a confirmation of the policy that has been in place since third party cheat detection was introduced. The "usual suspects" who are against any action taken in opposition to UO's culture of cheating are engaging in their usual fear mongering.

The OP is an offical announcement and says what it says clearly.

Feel it really means or says whatever you want, your choice, it says what it says in no uncertain terms.

 

[Wizal the Fox]

The OP is an offical announcement and says what it says clearly.

Feel it really means or says whatever you want, your choice, it says what it says in no uncertain terms.

I wish it was the case, but stating "The following third party programs are the only ones legal to run" without mentionning they are talking only about third party programs interfaced with the UO Client is opening an endless can of worms since that would mean that technically any other program running on your computer would be illegal, including your spreadsheet and your web browser. Granted it should be obvious, but for some people it apparently is not (see the number of guys talking about UO Cartographer etc)

 

[Tanivar]

I wish it was the case, but stating "The following third party programs are the only ones legal to run" without mentionning they are talking only about third party programs interfaced with the UO Client is opening an endless can of worms since that would mean that technically any other program running on your computer would be illegal, including your spreadsheet and your web browser. Granted it should be obvious, but for some people it apparently is not (see the number of guys talking about UO Cartographer etc)

A reference to third-party programs typically refers to a program that modifies their client or the data it sends to their servers. Thats likely the case with EA as well, but isn't guarenteed. EA is EA. <shrugs>

I'm using UOAM in place of UOC since the OP was posted. I don't feel like getting my accounts by EA because the new producer has made a change in what is considered right & wrong. The OP is an offical announcement and doesn't mention Cartographer. Cal considered it an o.k. program, Jeff may have decided it's not. Until Cartographer is offically cleared again, it's a threat to your accounts.

If EA is going to ban for running other software that might somewhere in the insides of my computer affect some bit or byte that the CC also uses, they do it. My computer is used for more than playing UO and often has other programs doing something unrelated to UO in the background while I'm playing. If my doing so becomes a problem for EA, it becomes an inconvienence for me & I'll play less UO. There's always the other item-based game UO:AoS was based on which I have installed that I can play while waiting on something to get done.

 

[Mirt]

For those not checking UO Cartographer is approved. The list was ammended based on what was seen here.

Kai Schober13 Dec 2011 18:21:19 ESTWe would like to remind our players that the use of 3rd party programs violates our Terms of Service.
If you receive a warning for any infraction, it is because you were reported by a fellow player for breaking the ToS.
Warnings placed on an account will escalate to suspension if the account commits the same offense repeatedly.

The following third party programs are the only ones legal to run:

•UO Assist
•UO Auto-Map
•UO Calculator
•UO Cartographer
•UO Curse Tool
•UO Journal Converter
•UO Magic Tool
•UO Spawn Map
•UO Wedding
Happy Holidays,

The UO Team

Terms of Service Reminder | Mythic Entertainment | Ultima Online

 

[Tanivar]

For those not checking UO Cartographer is approved. The list was ammended based on what was seen here.

Kai Schober13 Dec 2011 18:21:19 ESTWe would like to remind our players that the use of 3rd party programs violates our Terms of Service.
If you receive a warning for any infraction, it is because you were reported by a fellow player for breaking the ToS.
Warnings placed on an account will escalate to suspension if the account commits the same offense repeatedly.

The following third party programs are the only ones legal to run:

•UO Assist
•UO Auto-Map
•UO Calculator
•UO Cartographer
•UO Curse Tool
•UO Journal Converter
•UO Magic Tool
•UO Spawn Map
•UO Wedding
Happy Holidays,

The UO Team

Terms of Service Reminder | Mythic Entertainment | Ultima Online

This link you've posted starts with "http://api.viglink.com". It's not an EA, Mythic, or UOHerald dot com link. Is it an actual offical tied to EA website?

 

[Petra Fyde]

mouseover on the link for me shows as http://www .uoherald.com/node/511 without the space of course.

 

[kelmo]

Same for me Boss... It is legit.

 

[Mirt]

Just type in Mythic Entertainment | Ultima Online | Play the 14-Day Free Trial! there you will see the link that I posted if you scroll down to the relevant link and click it. I do not know why EA operates their websites the way they do but that is how I got that link.

 

[kelmo]

Tanivar's link on the other hand...

 

[Tanivar]

mouseover on the link for me shows as http://www .uoherald.com/node/511 without the space of course.

Mouseover for me just highlights it white.

A right click copy shortcut, then pasting it into a new tab in IE8 gives what follows with the http replaced by **** to keep it from converting to the all word URL.

****://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=9b4efad421c8b103b2c94b796db973b0&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fvboards.stratics.com%2Fuhall%2F257320-%255Buo-herald%255D-terms-service-reminder-2.html&subId=0d5066fe75754187a298ba6280a2acd1&v=1&libid=1324081126184&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uoherald.com%2Fnode%2F511&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fvboards.stratics.com%2Fuhall%2F&title=%5BUO%20Herald%5D%20Terms%20of%20Service%20Reminder%20-%20Page%202%20-%20Stratics%20Forums&txt=Terms%20of%20Service%20Reminder%20%7C%20Mythic%20Entertainment%20%7C%20Ultima%20Online&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13240811802811

 

[Tanivar]

mouseover on the link for me shows as http://www .uoherald.com/node/511 without the space of course.

I manually typed in the link you have in your quote and got the UOHerald listing.

It's not just that link and both my computers are doing it. Laptop shows the same.

I think it's time to do a couple reformats, reinstalls and a lot of password changing. I must have caught a driveby from some website. Computers links are taking a detour.

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Did a web search on api.viglinkdotcom and that site is a java website. I went into IE8's Tools, Internet Options, Security and clicked the Reset to default option. The api.viglink.com morass now just appears occasionally. I need to find a way to loose that last java update I guess.

 

[Alezi]

I manually typed in the link you have in your quote and got the UOHerald listing.

It's not just that link and both my computers are doing it. Laptop shows the same.

I think it's time to do a couple reformats, reinstalls and a lot of password changing. I must have caught a driveby from some website. Computers links are taking a detour.

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Did a web search on api.viglinkdotcom and that site is a java website. I went into IE8's Tools, Internet Options, Security and clicked the Reset to default option. The api.viglink.com morass now just appears occasionally. I need to find a way to loose that last java update I guess.

Mozilla Firefox Web Browser here you go, no need to thank me.

 

[dukarlo]

I bet if they made it so that murder counts did not decay while on Trammel rule facets then at least half the people standing around unattended in Luna would no longer be standing around unattended from server up till server down. That has always been a pet peeve of mine. There are a lot of players that want the benefits of committing murders but dont want the consequences of going red. im not a fan of pardons either, but since they are in the game make players use them and spend a bit of thier coin. GL is full of Trammies that do this....And NO!, im not one of those players that pages on unattended players.

 

[Tanivar]

Mozilla Firefox Web Browser here you go, no need to thank me.

I've got Firefox installed. It's vastly faster at many websites than IE8. I just wish it had some more features. Sadly this viglink.com setup in java is going to cover Mozilla and other web browsers as well. You would think hi-jacking links like this would be illegal. Apparently not.
I set IE8's security to High and the link changing seems to have stopped completely.

 

[Picus of Napa]

I bet if they made it so that murder counts did not decay while on Trammel rule facets then at least half the people standing around unattended in Luna would no longer be standing around unattended from server up till server down. That has always been a pet peeve of mine. There are a lot of players that want the benefits of committing murders but dont want the consequences of going red. im not a fan of pardons either, but since they are in the game make players use them and spend a bit of thier coin. GL is full of Trammies that do this....And NO!, im not one of those players that pages on unattended players.

The thing about this though which seems to be never figured out on stratics is you can just walk away from your comp at luna and you won't log out. Near daily it seems that I read about the thought that you have to be doing something but it just is not the case. Last night I died in shame and got all pissed so I took the dog for a walk but didn't log out yet a hour later I was still dead and mad but logged in.