[UO Herald] Publish 75.0 Comes to All Shards - 03/27

[slayer888]

In my own disturbed, bias, tainted view the problem is that you had people abusing both the point system and the faction artifact system. You had people with millions and billions of points and you characters who never saw faction play running around as rank 10 with all faction artifacts. But of which greatly abuse the system. Just because a problem has existed for years is not a reason to not correct it. I applaud that they took the bold step to try and fix it. And the day they give 0 tolerance to scripting/cheat programs, I just might get into pvp again. (I really like the idea of them running a 'scripting' shard, if you want to run those programs, fine, but do it there- everywhere else is ZERO tolerance).

Something had to be done about the abuse of the system. They need to find a way to make it so the character is actively participating in factions to use the gear. There have been some good ideas posted here already. What you have to do is look past how it affected your individual character and see what is best for the game overall.

And while not perfect and maybe not the best way, at least they are trying something,.

Hi NuSair, I hope you could focus on your statements as per below and ask yourself questions that they are actually confusing:-

"You had people with millions and billions of points and you characters who never saw faction play running around as rank 10 with all faction artifacts."

This is stating the pre-Pub 75, in which there are PART of the people wearing rank 10 artifacts, while yours cannot ever wear, and you call this "unfair" correct?

"They need to find a way to make it so the character is actively participating in factions to use the gear."

So you're saying that, participation must be active (in another words, we compare who is the bigger nerds, better pvper, better thief who have 10 hours to look at the sigils) to be able to wear the gear. So again, its the same whole thing, there will be a small % of players that can wear the gear, while most or majority cannot. Is this fair then?

Then we go check it out what they did on Pub 75. Pub 75 make it so that even less people (only the top 1%) can become rank 10. Is this fair then?

LOL, I mean, its not time to give them credits for trying to fix something. The intention that they are implementing this patch is ALREADY WRONG approach. As long as there is Rank Requirement with faction artifacts, there WILL be imbalance, there will be people who abuse the system.

People might ask, how do Pub 75 abuse the system, the ranking is screwed up? You really think the system cannot be abused? Think twice again. It can. Certainly, the unfairness is still here.

The only way to remove all unfairness totally is to remove Rank REquirements for faction aritfacts, then limit the artifacts only usable in Felucca rulesets. That's all.

The intention should NOT be telling people, the original intention of faction is to only let the 1% or 2% or 3% of players to wear top gear. THIS intention is TOTALLY wrong. How will this intention bring life to Factions? LOL.

The idea to make factions alive should be focussed on Guarding/Raiding/Controlling towns, not on this bullcrap Rank Requirement system.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

In my own disturbed, bias, tainted view the problem is that you had people abusing both the point system and the faction artifact system. You had people with millions and billions of points and you characters who never saw faction play running around as rank 10 with all faction artifacts. But of which greatly abuse the system. Just because a problem has existed for years is not a reason to not correct it. I applaud that they took the bold step to try and fix it. And the day they give 0 tolerance to scripting/cheat programs, I just might get into pvp again. (I really like the idea of them running a 'scripting' shard, if you want to run those programs, fine, but do it there- everywhere else is ZERO tolerance).

Something had to be done about the abuse of the system. They need to find a way to make it so the character is actively participating in factions to use the gear. There have been some good ideas posted here already. What you have to do is look past how it affected your individual character and see what is best for the game overall.

And while not perfect and maybe not the best way, at least they are trying something,.

I'd love this just so all the bad players who blame scripts will have nothing to say when the top tier pvpers still beat everyone. Next they'll cry it was some hack that goes around the hack/script finding system. I hope they do crack down on it so then perhaps people will finally be able to say "Okay I'm not as good as I thought, this player is better" instead of crying Cheater!!

 

[NuSair]

Hi NuSair, I hope you could focus on your statements as per below and ask yourself questions that they are actually confusing:-

"You had people with millions and billions of points and you characters who never saw faction play running around as rank 10 with all faction artifacts."

This is stating the pre-Pub 75, in which there are PART of the people wearing rank 10 artifacts, while yours cannot ever wear, and you call this "unfair" correct?

Well, I wouldn't ever wear faction artifacts because I don't participate in factions. A I think it's lame to buy points so you can PVM in faction gear.

"They need to find a way to make it so the character is actively participating in factions to use the gear."

So you're saying that, participation must be active (in another words, we compare who is the bigger nerds, better pvper, better thief who have 10 hours to look at the sigils) to be able to wear the gear. So again, its the same whole thing, there will be a small % of players that can wear the gear, while most or majority cannot. Is this fair then?

Then we go check it out what they did on Pub 75. Pub 75 make it so that even less people (only the top 1%) can become rank 10. Is this fair then?

LOL, I mean, its not time to give them credits for trying to fix something. The intention that they are implementing this patch is ALREADY WRONG approach. As long as there is Rank Requirement with faction artifacts, there WILL be imbalance, there will be people who abuse the system.

People might ask, how do Pub 75 abuse the system, the ranking is screwed up? You really think the system cannot be abused? Think twice again. It can. Certainly, the unfairness is still here.

The only way to remove all unfairness totally is to remove Rank REquirements for faction aritfacts, then limit the artifacts only usable in Felucca rulesets. That's all.

The intention should NOT be telling people, the original intention of faction is to only let the 1% or 2% or 3% of players to wear top gear. THIS intention is TOTALLY wrong. How will this intention bring life to Factions? LOL.

The idea to make factions alive should be focussed on Guarding/Raiding/Controlling towns, not on this bullcrap Rank Requirement system.

If someone can play more or is better at factions (stealing/pvp'ing/whatever) and there is an advantage in game for them, the good for them. Just because someone can sit at a keyboard 10 hours and someone else can't... and that's unfair? I think that is more just a fact of life and a personal choice. Fairness has nothing to do with it.

And that is not the only way- personally, I think all faction artifacts should be removed. Or make them set pieces that give you a bonus for wearing the set. To say that there is only one way to fix something is extremely short sighted.

If someone gets/chooses to play 10 hours a day and participate in factions a good part of that, then they should have an advantage over someone who only plays an hour or two a day or every couple of days.

 

[NuSair]

I'd love this just so all the bad players who blame scripts will have nothing to say when the top tier pvpers still beat everyone. Next they'll cry it was some hack that goes around the hack/script finding system. I hope they do crack down on it so then perhaps people will finally be able to say "Okay I'm not as good as I thought, this player is better" instead of crying Cheater!!

So, because supposedly they would still be the best without running scripts, that makes it ok? And that running scripts doesn't give them an advantage? Cheating is ok because they were going to win anyway?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have no illusions about my lack of skills in PvP, mainly because I don't do it often.

If they are the top, then why do they need to run the scripts then? Seems like a fallacy in their thinking to justify their running them.

 

[slayer888]

Well, I wouldn't ever wear faction artifacts because I don't participate in factions. A I think it's lame to buy points so you can PVM in faction gear.



If someone can play more or is better at factions (stealing/pvp'ing/whatever) and there is an advantage in game for them, the good for them. Just because someone can sit at a keyboard 10 hours and someone else can't... and that's unfair? I think that is more just a fact of life and a personal choice. Fairness has nothing to do with it.

And that is not the only way- personally, I think all faction artifacts should be removed. Or make them set pieces that give you a bonus for wearing the set. To say that there is only one way to fix something is extremely short sighted.

If someone gets/chooses to play 10 hours a day and participate in factions a good part of that, then they should have an advantage over someone who only plays an hour or two a day or every couple of days.

Well, if based on your logic, its good for people who can sit 10 hours and get the faction arties. Then I will reply to you that it's good to have people who buy points to get the faction arties then. It's not lame at all based on your logic. Because it's good for them that they got the money to do that. So if you are not participating into faction, and someone got the money to participate into faction and then pay the money to others for wearing the artifacts, its good for them! Nothing to whine about. Nothing lame there.

Yea, so if someone buy points from others while others couldn't buy points from others, it's good for those who have the money can buy points, they should have advantage over the others like you who don't participate into factions at all.

So you don't wear the artifacts because you don't participate into the factions. Then someone who particpate into factions and then use their money to buy points to wear their faction artifacts. Then you propose to remove faction artifacts totally.

GOOD JOB! Good biased idea indeed

 

[slayer888]

So, because supposedly they would still be the best without running scripts, that makes it ok? And that running scripts doesn't give them an advantage? Cheating is ok because they were going to win anyway?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have no illusions about my lack of skills in PvP, mainly because I don't do it often.

If they are the top, then why do they need to run the scripts then? Seems like a fallacy in their thinking to justify their running them.

If they are the top, why they need to run the scripts?

For this statement, I find huge problem on your logic.

Can't it be they run the scripts first that gets them to the top?

 

[Speaking the Truth]

So, because supposedly they would still be the best without running scripts, that makes it ok? And that running scripts doesn't give them an advantage? Cheating is ok because they were going to win anyway?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have no illusions about my lack of skills in PvP, mainly because I don't do it often.

If they are the top, then why do they need to run the scripts then? Seems like a fallacy in their thinking to justify their running them.

What the hell are you talking about? My point is that it will take away the excuses all these terrible players have, and they'll realize that top tier players are top tier for a reason. If this ever is to happen as I said you'll have bad players that they some how found a way to haxzorz still. Which will be amusing since for some reason bad players have no idea how to use UOA and think everything is a script.

 

[NuSair]

Not going to bother to quote. Just responding.

I agree, if they are so good, then why run scripts? And I believe that most of what are considered top pvpers run various scripts.

I also look forward to that day.

And yes, UOA can do some amazing things when you really start looking into it. It's a shame there isn't a tutorial or list of how to do it for UOA. And if there is already, I don't know it.

 

[Cogniac]

This thread is a complete cluster. tl;dr from end to end, and nothing really about the release of Publish 75 other than yet another giant fight about Faction points.

And now we're arguing about speedhackers. I think it's time for one of those "This thread has run its course." moderator posts.

 

[Picus at the office]

This thread is a complete cluster. tl;dr from end to end, and nothing really about the release of Publish 75 other than yet another giant fight about Faction points.

And now we're arguing about speedhackers. I think it's time for one of those "This thread has run its course." moderator posts.

All the good threads end with that moderator post...if it was just left to run it's course you'd never see the same thread over and over....

 

[LordDrago]

This thread is a complete cluster. tl;dr from end to end, and nothing really about the release of Publish 75 other than yet another giant fight about Faction points.

And now we're arguing about speedhackers. I think it's time for one of those "This thread has run its course." moderator posts.

*clicks heels together 3 times*

This thread has run its course

This thread has run its course

This thread has run its course




Damn, wrong shoes.

 

[Cirno]

if it was just left to run it's course you'd never see the same thread over and over....

That's never worked in the past
Not only do such threads tend to overrun what's allowed in the RoC by quite a significant margin, but people tend to start new threads on the same subject regardless of anything but their own urges to start a new thread.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

Not going to bother to quote. Just responding.

I agree, if they are so good, then why run scripts? And I believe that most of what are considered top pvpers run various scripts.

I also look forward to that day.

And yes, UOA can do some amazing things when you really start looking into it. It's a shame there isn't Ia tutorial or list of how to do it for UOA. And if there is already, I don't know it.

How are you missing the point? That's my point exactly, bad players blame things on scripts because they can't seem to handle using the 16 UOA macros you get per char. Why is it that good players are dominating the day of a patch still? They don't use scripts bad players just use it as an excuse, hence why I can't wait for something like that to come in so then these terrible players can no longer cry foul.

 

[NuSair]

I don't PvP enough to discuss what happens when a patch breaks the cheat programs. But, if what you say is true, then why do they need to run the scripts at all? They must gain an advantage from it, else there is no reason to run them.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

What part aren't you getting? The good players get blamed for using stuff that they aren't because they bad players are bad.

Are you following, people don't like to accept the fact that they are bad so they make up reasons why someone else is better.

The lesser players are the ones using scripts. Not the top tier, hence why they can handle hitting UOA macro and scanning the screen and able to process things in a split second.