I'm pretty sure this is exactly what will happen when the patch hits the servers tomorrow.
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Nah, it takes 5 minutes to understand that if you drop a PvP system into cities and it tells people to leave or flags them, some of them won't bother returning. Then realise that this probably isn't going to successfully attract players into Fel or PvP/VvV. PvPers have been given the tools to run everyone they don't like out of Fel. The trouble is they shoot themselves in the foot while they do it.
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if you bothered to read before your quote wall youd see i said i was wrong about the stealth....
zog seriously you make absolutely no sense and i doubt you have participated in the vvv system significantly.
you dont have to do trade quests on crafters.... i dunno why everyone is assuming that. there is no reason a 100 percent crafter cant use tram cities. I have never seen a red pure crafter in all my years of ultima online.
If you had the slightest clue about either of the things I quoted, you wouldn't have stated them as fact in the first place.
"Significantly?" Notwithstanding it's irrelevant, I've done a lot more than you, I'd bet that in a heartbat. What's the matter, now that you're caught some more in not knowing what you're talking about, you need to non sequitur your way out of it?
I'm not talking about trade quests. I have yet to do one, but I used to use Felucca cities all the time for bribing BODs.
Red crafter? Spew more irrelevancies, will you?
What a typical, expected non-reply reply from you when you know you're wrong and have nothing to say.not gonna feed into you zog. you know your wrong andthis topic isnt about crafters.
This is about crafters, not exclusively, but about anyone who used Felucca cities and now must play avoid-the-gank. I don't see you offering any solutions to the problem.
Good lord, and I'm called a troll?
no solution required.....the expectation is clear....if you are in fel then you have agreed by default to pvp with your crafter....or any other character.
That is UO
That is UO
No, that is not "UO." Are you even talking about the same game?
"You agree to be attacked" didn't work out very well for the game in the first couple of years, and a dedicated non-PvP area was essential. Yet the lack of guard protection outside cities was something established in the beginning, not something suddenly thrust upon players.
if it were any other poster i would attempt to make my views known. however we all know your reputation zog
its pointless. i could say that "the sky is blue" and you would provide a very nice quote wall with reasons i am wrong and you are right 
It is so, if you go to felucca - you agree to be able to be a target in pvp. There are safe zones - and if you read the new update info, they will give you a option to teleport to closest moongate if you choose NOT to engage.
And once again, you can only make a non-reply reply. The fact is...you have no facts on your side. You aren't arguing the sky is blue. You might as well be arguing it's chartreuse.if it were any other poster i would attempt to make my views known. however we all know your reputation zog
But hey, when you've argued that "faction sigil thieves could not use stealth" and especially "there were no guard zones in faction controlled cities before either," why should anyone think you know what you're talking about.
Good lord, I have to laugh at accusations that I'm the troll.
And I keep pointing out that "You can be attacked in Fel" meant outside towns.
Yup, I think you are getting it now.
Another ridiculous non-reply reply. I already "got it." But do you?
The idea of completely driving non-PvPing blues outside of a majority of Felucca towns is simply absurd. There were other ways to deal with blue interference, which I should point out wasn't much of an issue during Order/Chaos fights, even around WBB. But instead of others proposing solutions, all that's given are snarky comments about "Get hiding and stealth" reminiscent of the old "Then stay out of dungeons" in pre-Trammel days.
Zog would it help if the battles were moved to the minor towns... Cove, Vesper, Nu'jelm, (remain in Ocllo), Serpents Hold, Bucs, Wind, etc and out of the Major Cities or does this present the same issue....
The reason I ask is I don't do any trade, crafting type activities but I have protected non VvV people caught up in a battle from less scrupulous. Its a task I enjoy like guarding miners or escorting and protecting people to dungeons in old Fel.
Right now there is no way to make them "blue" to me so protecting them isn't always straight forward and easy.
If people could swear allegiance to Virtue then innocent non VvV people could appear blue and then hurting them would result in murder counts, but they I could fight enemies without worry of hitting an innocent with an area effect.
Back to the original question, I ask because I'd like to see the Major cities reserved for a sustained siege similiar to factions and longer more stable control either for Virtue (guard zones) or Vice (no guards). This would allow people to know where they can and can not travel but keep VvV the same with constant battles plus re-adding the more dynamic siege and sustained control of factions (which is totally self serving because I miss them).
If moving the VvV battles to minor towns doesn't solve anything then we are back to square one.
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the sky is blue.
do you have any constructive way it could be changed that would keep the integrity of the new system while making it more convenient for the "town users" or are you just saying you dont like it.
i dont think its "absurd to drive non-pvping blues outside of felucca" -pvpers dont even have the option for non-consensual pvp in any area of the game except 1 facet. its not unreasonable at all that that 1 area of the game is used for a new system and forces others to alter their gameplay.
btw my suggestion to get hiding and stealth was a real, feasible solution to your problems. it was not meant to be "snarky" adjusting to the battles isnt that hard, unless its an afk scripter or something.
Such drama. Have your cake, don't share. Post a picture next time you are killed and looted for more than 6 pieces of barbed leather, worst case nothing is lost anyways.....
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