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Yeah I am not totally against a cooldown timer for refresh pots but 10 seconds in just insane.
Well maybe impossible is not the word but viable. If this patch goes through as it is archery will be very hard to made viable in pvp. It is already hard enough as it is.
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I'd like to be able to craft Root Beer
It would be a cooking skill of course.Yeah true hopefully part 2 is better..though after seeing part 1 I am kinda scared to see part 2. I mean I think the one semi decent part about part 1 is the stamine thing the rest of it is crap. Then when you add the weapons changes it gets even worse. So I am hoping for something amazing in part two but not holding my breath.
Im assuming this is a rant about how you cant drink red pots every other secound and swing your favorite weapon at 1.25 secs while having a higher hci than they can dci?
Dexxers being able to chug red pots every other secound was kind of stupid, omg you have to watch where you run now OMG!
Guys they gave the war mace new and seemingly PVP-oriented specials while leaving it with a 4s base swing speed. Someone over there is extraordinarily out of touch on what is and is not viable within Ultima Online.
I was really, really looking forward to mace fighting in PVM being something besides The War Axe Skill. (And you know, seeing people with halberds and stuff.) But they seriously "normalized" all the weapons and didn't make a single new one viable.
I was really, really looking forward to mace fighting in PVM being something besides The War Axe Skill. (And you know, seeing people with halberds and stuff.) But they seriously "normalized" all the weapons and didn't make a single new one viable.
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After these changes Archery won't be viable at anything. Can't PvM or PvP when your slower than hades and I'm sorry but BIG WHOOPING DEAL if I hit 1 to 2 more damage... if I'm slower than molasses in winter I won't be doing anything may as well hang it up... And they think that BALANCES things??? In who's wet dream???
I want you all to pay attention to Bleak... He said this is not written in stone.. yet.
You all can test and give your honest assessment of the changes on TS1 . Dont just read them and give a flippant statement without trying them out for real. Keep an open mind.
This is a good thing the dev has done for us all...
You all can test and give your honest assessment of the changes on TS1 . Dont just read them and give a flippant statement without trying them out for real. Keep an open mind.
This is a good thing the dev has done for us all...
Yeah I just donlt get it, what were they thinking? Where did they get the idea bows needed to be even slower? Heck where did they get the idea that raising the base damage of the really slow weapons in general would suddenly make them viable? I just idk I was seriously looking forward to this patch and you know there have been a few good things about it I guess but I just seriously hope some changes are made.
Yeah I will probably hop on test center.
I consider myself advanced on figuring out UO game mechanics, but this is getting insanely stupid.
When i need a spreadsheet, a calculator, calculus and algebra classes to figure out how to make a suit then it's getting to be too much. If people that have been playing 15 years can barely figure this out imagine what some new guy is going to think... *log in, look at the difficulty, log out, load up generic simple mmo and enjoy free time*
My personal feedback:
-hard cap animal form cast time so warriors and mages are on equal footing since it can now be interrupted.
-lower the stam pot timer to 7 sec
-add a timer for cure pots since the mana was increased
Those are right off my head right now. I'll send more feedback in as i have time to dissect this.
I posted a while back that IMO ALL armor should be equal, plain and simple! Barbed Leather = Valorite = Frostwood = Dragon Scale. Same base resist totals, same imbuing caps, same medable. I get the whole make them each special in their own right, I just think it goes the wrong way for UO. Let your crafted armor be about style, not so much about function.
in felluca, without pots, and or focus..forget running through spawns or around or through people...
they really did not think this through did they
Because they've actually made drastic changes to things in the patch notes after being given player feed back when its already on the test realm? I haven't seen it happen. We all know that whats going to happen is all the mechanic changes will remain the same, They might tweak the numbers a little but i HIGHLY doubt that they will go and say oh, we will delete all our work on the stamina changes for armor etc.
I RARELY even consider agreeing with anything you say but this is one of those times i do.
-Throwers did hit too hard.
-Wrestling isn't THAT big a deal. Maybe 1 in 10 pvp mages run one.
The stam and necro changes almost look like they're pushing a necro macer. What's the point of raising base damage when it's HARD CAPPED already at 35 lololol!!
The rest i agree with. This is going to ruin warriors and guess what? Mystics with their 120 focus CAN run plate armor that will lower the SS. On top of that they're BOOSTING cleansing winds?
Frostbolt dont be so sure.... I have been in UO a long time and seen stranger things happen. But to be honest dont go looking for trouble before you run the test center setup.
Go in with a open mind and truly test it out , drag in your buddys and reset your armors and weps and give it a good shot.... hell you might find its way better or that Bleak and crew overlooked something and you give that criticle heads up.... nothing works without your input guys/gals....
they want you to go through it bit by bit test the changes, kick the tires and road test it...
You need to test it ....
Go in with a open mind and truly test it out , drag in your buddys and reset your armors and weps and give it a good shot.... hell you might find its way better or that Bleak and crew overlooked something and you give that criticle heads up.... nothing works without your input guys/gals....
they want you to go through it bit by bit test the changes, kick the tires and road test it...
You need to test it ....
Being in UO for a long time doesn't really matter in this case because the devs from a "long time ago" are not the same ones that have been working on UO in the past year. and this is my observation for all the "revamp" patches made since a year ago. i am 90% sure that all of these changes will make it to live, and the only difference will be the numbers. For example maybe potion CD will be reduced a few seconds but i don't think they will remove it.
Look I will say this only once...
You asked for a way to bring back balance to ALL ARMOR & WEAPONS gm and other. Well They did a preliminary rough go at it and made a test for us to try... STOP THE BITCHIN and DO IT. (sorry for the way I put it but you do need to listen)
This game has been one of the most faught over systems for this area of items ever. You have the chance to make a difference and truly help mold it... I am quite sure Bleak and the dev will take what you say into account as you give your honest opinion of the NEW stats and changes under consideration. ITS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE. Wait for it to load in and do as I said gather your friends and guildmates and go in wiht open mind test it all... give it the hell test... try your worst with it...
As for you stuck in the mud players who are yipping about any changes to your precious stuff.... get over it.... join in the rest of us and do it to it.
You asked for a way to bring back balance to ALL ARMOR & WEAPONS gm and other. Well They did a preliminary rough go at it and made a test for us to try... STOP THE BITCHIN and DO IT. (sorry for the way I put it but you do need to listen)
This game has been one of the most faught over systems for this area of items ever. You have the chance to make a difference and truly help mold it... I am quite sure Bleak and the dev will take what you say into account as you give your honest opinion of the NEW stats and changes under consideration. ITS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE. Wait for it to load in and do as I said gather your friends and guildmates and go in wiht open mind test it all... give it the hell test... try your worst with it...
As for you stuck in the mud players who are yipping about any changes to your precious stuff.... get over it.... join in the rest of us and do it to it.
Actually nooo I don't pvp so I never asked for armor weapon balancing. You can blame the pvpers for that. And if you seriously believe you can make a difference and help "mold it" by posting on the forums.. are we even playing the same game here lol?
If its on the PTR then its pretty much written in cooling stone. They will change nothing except tweak the numbers a bit. If you've played for sooo long, then you should realize that already.
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Hey don't blame us. We only wanted throwing damage toned down in pvp. We didn't ask for any of this crap.
Also I should note when the devs say that they want feed back and nothing is written in stone, they mean that they want feedback within the framework of what they proposed on the PTR.
If you think they are going to reprogram a new system after they already made one you are kidding yourselves. What you see on the test realm is for the most part what you are gonna get, its been this way for years. Its not going to change now.
If you think they are going to reprogram a new system after they already made one you are kidding yourselves. What you see on the test realm is for the most part what you are gonna get, its been this way for years. Its not going to change now.
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Yeah, they won't scrap it, too much effort, time, and $$ invested I would imagine. As for me, I guess I'll end up growing plants...because I signed up to play a game, but it looks like I'll have to be a mathematician/engineer/accountant to do anything other than grow plants. And to me, it's neither fun, nor relaxing.
Read the whole post and I still think this is a horrible revamp. Lets change everything and make it more complex than it was before. Nerf dexxers for no real good reason save for when you change one thing you change them all.
I'll provide feed back but I think that all the hard work that who ever put into this is going to happen anyways as it seems to anyways.
Could you people play this damn game like the rest of us do please? I'd love to have you all on a production shard for a hour a day or even a week and lets see what gives then.
Lastly, while I have never ran a fencer I cannot believe that you decide to change leaf blades after years of people makeing them to use, WTF are you thinking?
I'll provide feed back but I think that all the hard work that who ever put into this is going to happen anyways as it seems to anyways.
Could you people play this damn game like the rest of us do please? I'd love to have you all on a production shard for a hour a day or even a week and lets see what gives then.
Lastly, while I have never ran a fencer I cannot believe that you decide to change leaf blades after years of people makeing them to use, WTF are you thinking?
The devs basically just came up and went "Hi we're considering ruining UO, be sure to give us your input because it's not written in stone!" and everyone is busy screaming themselves hoarse going "NO DON'T DO IT" and that's the way it's going to be.
I've been to Test Center.
I still don't want to swing a 4s weapon.
Complex hidden intrinsic item properties are still confusing.
Devs: This is garbage. Start over.
When a developer is going "Whoops yeah we left an entire weapon skill devoid of one of the most important specials, but it's okay because you have BLADEWEAVE!" it's officially time to start crapping bricks. Yes even with the new-and-improved defensive bladeweave.
Macing is as bad off as ever.
Fencing is dead in PVE.
Archery is dead period.
Swords came away without being wrecked and throwing got a well-deserved nerf, but that's about the only good news. If anything the number of viable weapons is now smaller than it was before. The armor changes are making me throw up my hands, and I'm the know-it-all guy with the spreadsheets and stuff.
Macing is as bad off as ever.
Fencing is dead in PVE.
Archery is dead period.
Swords came away without being wrecked and throwing got a well-deserved nerf, but that's about the only good news. If anything the number of viable weapons is now smaller than it was before. The armor changes are making me throw up my hands, and I'm the know-it-all guy with the spreadsheets and stuff.
Regarding the armor changes.
Basically, you over-thought it. You wanted to give non-meddable armor something nice, and then tried to re-balance other parts of the game in light of that something nice. This was too much. The mere fact that you had to re-balance other parts of the game in light of it is the best proof of that I can ask for.
What you should do instead, is this. If you like the idea of heavier armor absorbing stamina damage, have heavier armor absorb a lesser amount of stamina damage. Say, with Western-style non-Samurai plate, have it be 10% per piece to a maximum of 50%. Or, hey, 5% to a maximum of 25%. Keep the other stamina-related things, like Divine Fury and Refresh Potions, the same.
Light armor gets something nice (meddability), heavy armor gets something nice (a moderate amount of stamina damage absorption). And you don't have to change anything else.
Much simpler. If you like your suit you can keep it and maintain the same level of effectiveness. If you like the idea of keeping more of your Stamina for longer without having to chug a pot (say if you have a 2-handed weapon or a sword and shield), you can get yourself a set of full plate.
Hopefully my fellow players will agree with this, post in support, you'll agree too, and we can move on to assessing the weapons balance.
-Galen's player
Basically, you over-thought it. You wanted to give non-meddable armor something nice, and then tried to re-balance other parts of the game in light of that something nice. This was too much. The mere fact that you had to re-balance other parts of the game in light of it is the best proof of that I can ask for.
What you should do instead, is this. If you like the idea of heavier armor absorbing stamina damage, have heavier armor absorb a lesser amount of stamina damage. Say, with Western-style non-Samurai plate, have it be 10% per piece to a maximum of 50%. Or, hey, 5% to a maximum of 25%. Keep the other stamina-related things, like Divine Fury and Refresh Potions, the same.
Light armor gets something nice (meddability), heavy armor gets something nice (a moderate amount of stamina damage absorption). And you don't have to change anything else.
Much simpler. If you like your suit you can keep it and maintain the same level of effectiveness. If you like the idea of keeping more of your Stamina for longer without having to chug a pot (say if you have a 2-handed weapon or a sword and shield), you can get yourself a set of full plate.
Hopefully my fellow players will agree with this, post in support, you'll agree too, and we can move on to assessing the weapons balance.
-Galen's player
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Most mages would cast teleport, inferior mages stand and die.
Most dexxers who can handle more than 3 button template tend to have teleport scrolls also.
Is that too complicated?
This post is pure Alpha.
To the above post I ask when was the last time you killed a dexxer with a teleport scroll, myself it has to be 5 years or greater.
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Boosting cleansing winds? Do you people even read the stuff before you reply too it?
Thats the 6th nerf to mysticism or is it the 7th? and you called it a boost LOL
My initial take is that this is far more extreme than anyone really wanted. I think the request to adjust weapons was to bring some of the lesser used weapons in line with the more prominent ones for DPS (based on speed and base damage) and to adjust some of the weapons specials on each weapon.
I am completely dismayed by the Soul Glaive and Composite Bow changes. There should have been no change to the Soul Glaive. It should have been the standard to which everything else was raised to. The Composite Bow needs to remain at 4s base speed with the same damage as the Soul Glaive (18-22). Why did you slow it down?
I don't understand the HSL change that makes it less effective. I supposed this is to force all Dexxers to metal armor. I don't get it. The idea was to allow diversity and choice, and not to push everyone to particular armor scheme for the same character type. That is what we have now.
As for the armor changes, it is hard to understand how this fits in with the upcoming part 2 of the publish. I was just hoping that they would leave wood alone, and add new mods for metal, leather, stone, dragon scale, and other armor types. Some think like Valorite adding 5 DCI and +8 Physical like Bloodwood does HPR +2 and +8 fire resist. It would have been straight forward to add new buffs for the other materials and just remove the non-medable armor property outright from all non-leather items.
I am completely dismayed by the Soul Glaive and Composite Bow changes. There should have been no change to the Soul Glaive. It should have been the standard to which everything else was raised to. The Composite Bow needs to remain at 4s base speed with the same damage as the Soul Glaive (18-22). Why did you slow it down?
I don't understand the HSL change that makes it less effective. I supposed this is to force all Dexxers to metal armor. I don't get it. The idea was to allow diversity and choice, and not to push everyone to particular armor scheme for the same character type. That is what we have now.
As for the armor changes, it is hard to understand how this fits in with the upcoming part 2 of the publish. I was just hoping that they would leave wood alone, and add new mods for metal, leather, stone, dragon scale, and other armor types. Some think like Valorite adding 5 DCI and +8 Physical like Bloodwood does HPR +2 and +8 fire resist. It would have been straight forward to add new buffs for the other materials and just remove the non-medable armor property outright from all non-leather items.
This is complicated but imbuing/ reforging isnt? What exactly isnt complicated in UO?
I think people complain when it best suits them.
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If you knew anything about UO, you would know theres ALOT of places you cant teleport. Certain areas just say "You cannot teleport there" and also faction bases. You also cannot cast teleport when being spammed with weaken either. Tell me more please.
The thing they don't understand is that nobody wants a 4s weapon no matter what the damage may be.
*Increased Cleansing Winds healing power reduction based on curses. Cleansing Winds will always heal for maximum potential when the target is the caster. Cleansing Winds power will now scale based on the number of targets when healing targets that are not the caster.*
Sure looks like they're increasing it to the caster and only nerfing it for xheals.
Yeah that is the one thing I like about the armor changes lol. The rest of it should be scrapped though.
I mean look, Bleak, whoever, sooner or later the RNG is going to decide that my sampire needs to miss four times in a row and I can't be standing around for 10-15 seconds going "derp no life leech for me" while the boss chews on my face. It's not just DPS, speed is a benefit unto itself.
It's been falling for 15 years. Will probably keep falling for another 15, lol.
One thing that bothers me about it tho....
If you want medability.. you go leather, if you want stam... you go plate.... wood is still viable with its extra properties plus stam.
So bone and studded are useless, as they are not medable and low end on the stam thing.
lol
Not exactly true. I am completely happy with my 4s Soul Glaive. But that is a ranged weapon with good base damage and has a nice set of specials. I agree that melee weapons need to be faster. I think 3.5s is the highest base speed melee weapon that I might consider using. I need to be able to get it to 1.25s swing speed with a reasonable amount of SSI and Stamina. IMO, hitting 55 SSI and 180+ stamina are reasonable. It is possible to hit 210 Stamina, but you'll loose out somewhere else in your suit.
Are you serious?
You have issues with dexxers using stam pots? Dexxers need stam pots to keep up swing speed. I tell you what, lets keep your stam pot nerf but also tie it in with casting. Mages stam gets low he casts slower. It certainly isnt out of line as casting is as much physical as it is mental.
Would you still want stam pots nerfed as a mage? Dont think so.
If you are massively nerfing ssi you damn well should be looking at balancing it by adjusting fc/fcr also.
Btw, mages machine-gun chugging cures to completely negate a dp warriors template is much, much more out of line then stam pots. Whats your point?
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