Trammel Woes - Community feeling is gone

[kelmo]

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*sighs* It is me isn't it. *kicks blackrock* I read some where kicking blackrocks help...

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

My first day in UO, we got 100 gold. My first 100 gold was stolen under 1 minute after coming to play UO for the first time. I laughed so hard, thinking, finally a challenge.

I remembered that guys name and guild affiliation. within 2 weeks, I was the bane of Dead Presidents. And my name would haunt them until the day they finally recruited me. Those thieves and reds found themselves on the wrong end of a power gamer back then but the experience was always in fun. only 2 guys in their guild ever trash talked me. That trash talk usually came in the form of o0o0o0o0 o0o o0o0o0o

You have accurately described the pre-Trammel world....Become what you behold, or be victimized by it.

I've tried hard to opt for a third path. Trammel gave options to others who'd also rather not make that decision.

And such folks have proven to be the vast majority of the player base....As is evidenced by the fact that EA must keep making up new "incentives" to get people to Felucca. These started with Khaldun, then progressed with Power Scrolls, and now they include double fame, double resources, better chance for a Virtue Artifact....

If people liked what Felucca offered, the creation of Trammel would have been a giant dud, and there would have been incentives to come to Trammel, rather than to come to Felucca.

-Galen's player

 

[Kallie Pigeon]

Uo is a big huge game. I have never encountered the type of problems that you have and spend my entire time in Trammel. However Uo is a big game, there is lots of room. You can go to other places, tame bulls elsewhere. I can't imagine someone with 2 million gold to give away can't find a better solution. How could you possibly be playing long enough to have the 2 mill to give away and not know more about the game? If you can't possibly think of another way to gain skill then you can always try another time at the same place. In Trammel you have to give room for the other players or share with them unlike Fellucca where you can kill them if you want to hog the place.

 

[UOKaiser]

Uo is a big huge game. I have never encountered the type of problems that you have and spend my entire time in Trammel. However Uo is a big game, there is lots of room. You can go to other places, tame bulls elsewhere. I can't imagine someone with 2 million gold to give away can't find a better solution. How could you possibly be playing long enough to have the 2 mill to give away and not know more about the game? If you can't possibly think of another way to gain skill then you can always try another time at the same place. In Trammel you have to give room for the other players or share with them unlike Fellucca where you can kill them if you want to hog the place.

Taming is one of the hardest skills to raise. It takes lots of time. If anybody is taming they usually go by taming guide Now at certain level you need a certain difficulty of cretures to tame to raise skill most efficientcy. Now to average time to take to train skill you need that creature to spawn quickly and numerous in a small area whiout much interference from monsters that will make you waste more time.
Ridgebacks are good to tame also as long as you go to a high spawn site with no enemies. But it comes down to this when raising such a hard to raise skill will a vet prefer to tame 50 times a hour or tame 100 times a hour. Get twice more done in jhelom in such a small space than you get done in delucia in a little larger space and much more done in any random forest spawn anywhere. Only ridgebacks is the alternative.
But mostly the point the op was making it has nothing to do with taming these are grief players that are constantly around there. They do not want to share they want to prevent tamer making by getting rid of the ability to do so using the excuse of stopping scripters but it dosent' matter they really want to prevent anybody from doing so.

 

[Kallie Pigeon]

Taming is one of the hardest skills to raise. It takes lots of time. If anybody is taming they usually go by taming guide Now at certain level you need a certain difficulty of cretures to tame to raise skill most efficientcy. Now to average time to take to train skill you need that creature to spawn quickly and numerous in a small area whiout much interference from monsters that will make you waste more time.
Ridgebacks are good to tame also as long as you go to a high spawn site with no enemies. But it comes down to this when raising such a hard to raise skill will a vet prefer to tame 50 times a hour or tame 100 times a hour. Get twice more done in jhelom in such a small space than you get done in delucia in a little larger space and much more done in any random forest spawn anywhere. Only ridgebacks is the alternative.
But mostly the point the op was making it has nothing to do with taming these are grief players that are constantly around there. They do not want to share they want to prevent tamer making by getting rid of the ability to do so using the excuse of stopping scripters but it dosent' matter they really want to prevent anybody from doing so.

I trained a tamer from zero to 110 recently all in Trammel. Don't tell me it's hard. It's hard for the powergamer that might be true. It's not that difficult for the average or even less than average player namely me. You want to hog the spawn? Boohooo.

 

[UOKaiser]

I trained a tamer from zero to 110 recently all in Trammel. Don't tell me it's hard. It's hard for the powergamer that might be true. It's not that difficult for the average or even less than average player namely me. You want to hog the spawn? Boohooo.

The op didn't hog any spawn. The grief players are the ones that hog the spawn for no reason other than preventing anybody from doing it. He offered money so that the grief players stop griefing.
SO how long did it take you to finish youre tamer which you still 10 points of.
I've finished 3 over the years. 1 the slow way took 5 years, The other 2 powergaming took 2 weeks each and ggs gains after 110 for 6 months.
The ones training do not hog spawn they share the griefters don't do anything but hog and prevent others from training.

 

[Kallie Pigeon]

The op didn't hog any spawn. The grief players are the ones that hog the spawn for no reason other than preventing anybody from doing it. He offered money so that the grief players stoip griefing.
SO how long did it take you to finish youre tamer which you still 10 points of.
I've finished 3 over the years. 1 the slow way took 5 years, The other 2 powergaming took 2 weeks each and ggs gains after 110 for 6 months.
The ones training do not hog spawn they share the griefters don't do anything but hog and prevent others from training.

Greifers need someone to grief. If there is no one there to grief they can't grief anyone and move on to other things. What is likely true is that those were other players who wanted to do other things. Once they are done they will move on. I don't know what shard you are on that has griefers 24 hours a day 7 days a week without anyone around most of the time to grief. Someone gave me a 110 scroll and I haven't bothered to get 120 because I don't intend to for that character who is my tailor. It's a big world pay someone 1 mill to mark runes where there are bulls or something.

 

[UOKaiser]

Greifers need someone to grief. If there is no one there to grief they can't grief anyone and move on to other things. What is likely true is that those were other players who wanted to do other things. Once they are done they will move on. I don't know what shard you are on that has griefers 24 hours a day 7 days a week without anyone around most of the time to grief. Someone gave me a 110 scroll and I haven't bothered to get 120 because I don't intend to for that character who is my tailor. It's a big world pay someone 1 mill to mark runes where there are bulls or something.

There not 24/7 but they enjoy passing around. Theres other places also. Mostly they are red players with blue characters or strictly pvp who hate anything trammel we have a nice extensive list of names of players that have being encountered by my alliance that make it there business to grief in there spare time when they can't find prey. Others are tamers that had to raise there skills with many years of work and dont want a easy button, and others well who knows.

Am sure the OP knows where the rest of the bulls at. The thing is there is no better place than jhelom pens then 2nd would be delucia for bulls. Like I said before ridgebacks is a nicer alternative. Though bad idea to offer griefters money as they don't care about that as that will make them extortionist. Though If he like he can pm me the names of there characters and shard and I'll send it to my alliance so we can keep a look out for them and well grief the griefters if we bored and ever encounter them.

 

[Kallie Pigeon]

There not 24/7 but they enjoy passing around. Theres other places also. Mostly they are red players with blue characters or strictly pvp who hate anything trammel we have a nice extensive list of names of players that have being encountered by my alliance that make it there business to grief in there spare time when they can't find prey. Others are tamers that had to raise there skills with many years of work and dont want a easy button, and others well who knows.

Am sure the OP knows where the rest of the bulls at. The thing is there is no better place than jhelom pens then 2nd would be delucia for bulls. Like I said before ridgebacks is a nicer alternative. Though bad idea to offer griefters money as they don't care about that as that will make them extortionist. Though If he like he can pm me the names of there characters and shard and I'll send it to my alliance so we can keep a look out for them and well grief the griefters if we bored and ever encounter them.

Not griefers I say or they would have took the mil and still stayed there. Whatever go play in Felucca.

 

[UOKaiser]

Not griefers I say or they would have took the mil and still stayed there. Whatever go play in Felucca.

Actually am a mojor trammel player. And there also script hunters that crossed the line and became griefters. Unless you think there just players that like to have all the bulls tied to them doing nothing with them. Or just bull killers who chose that spot of all spots to keep killing bulls for leather? Theres alot better animals for that. Nope there exactly what I said. They sure werent training taming.

 

[Omnius]

There is a book you have to read that has the rules in it that you must agree to before you can join NEW. If you didn't know the rules, it's your own fault. And just so everyone knows, that's NOT what the rules say. You CAN defend yourself but you CANNOT go back and kill people AFTER the fight is over for revenge.

I had not gone back. I think the people were just a bit salty that I displayed little difficulty in dispatch 2 obviously better equipped players and complained to freja. At the time, there was no book only some loose guidelines.

 

[Omnius]

Uo is a big huge game. I have never encountered the type of problems that you have and spend my entire time in Trammel. However Uo is a big game, there is lots of room. You can go to other places, tame bulls elsewhere. I can't imagine someone with 2 million gold to give away can't find a better solution. How could you possibly be playing long enough to have the 2 mill to give away and not know more about the game? If you can't possibly think of another way to gain skill then you can always try another time at the same place. In Trammel you have to give room for the other players or share with them unlike Fellucca where you can kill them if you want to hog the place.

frankly when i visit trammel, I assume it is as they say on these forums. It's not apparently. I primarily play in fel. I assumed, incorrectly that carrot/stick would work anywhere in UO. I learned that there is really no way to motivate another player to do anything in trammel. In reality it stems from a lack of community. People have no reason to think that I can impact their game play.

 

[Omnius]

Also... NEW is not a fit for everyone.

indeed. I think I was better off just wandering without the tag that said attack me. though I'm pretty sure most of the people i encountered were not hardcore pvpers but rather rp bad guys who happened to walk into someone who wasn't just going to fall dead.

Siege was fun except the skill gain being slow was god awful. I simply don't enjoy RoT. Heck, I think GGS is too slow for my taste too but that is neither here nor there.

 

[Flora Green]

Bah! Plenty of good people play and I think we all know they outnumber the bad seeds. Consider yourself lucky it was just rude gameplay and not taken into real life. There are lousy players on every shard, on every facet and of every playstyle, you can't limit it to just Tram. All one can do is move on and enjoy the game as much as possible.

*I didn't read all of the posts, but I'm sure others echo my sentiments.

eta: Not dissing you at all, Omnius. I've ran into plenty of asses in UO and most of them were in Tram. I think I'm just at the "I don't care enough anymore to get mad" stage of play after all these years.

 

[NuSair]

Not quite sure what game you've been playing, but people like that have been in UO since I started playing it 2 weeks after it went live.

I almost quit a month after I started playing because of people like that.

Unfortunately, just like in real life, people behave like asses because they can.

 

[Lady Michelle]

Some choose to be good, and some choose to be evil that is what UO is about choosing what you want to be. Only reason another player griefs another player in trammel is because they cannot kill them. I don't see anyone as a griefer I see them as someone who chooses to play the game how they want to play it. Just like I choose to play the game the way I choose to play it. I will never grief anyone in the game, nor will I let someone who thinks they are griefing me run me off in a spot I was at before they showed up. They are always welcome to join me in what I'm killing if they choose to. Usually after awhile knowing that no matter what they said or did I was going no where they would give up and leave. One thing I have learned is a griefer (evil player ) hates to be ignored. the more you ignore tnem the more irrated they get, which mostly leads to them getting killed because they weren't paying attention, because they are to busy typing to grief you.upon their death is when ya recall out and leave them to think maybe it wasn't a good idea to grief this person in a dungeon with no healer to rez me. Just remember a griefer will leave if you act like they are not there. and if you can't put up with it then leave and do something else.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I'm not following why someone would judge 75% of the population of the entire game based on a couple of asshats he ran into. Seems pretty narrow minded to me.

 

[T'Challa]

I'm not following why someone would judge 75% of the population of the entire game based on a couple of asshats he ran into. Seems pretty narrow minded to me.

Gratz Connor. May I quote you on that? IMO your best post ever.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Gratz Connor. May I quote you on that? IMO your best post ever.

Lol, sure, go ahead.

 

[Harlequin]

Actually, what the OP says is pretty intriguing.

First about courtesy:

Now, there are many different people in the world, and different people play UO. So there are bound to be people that don't play nice with others (or they might just have had a really bad day and feel like jerking off other folks). There are no content upgrade or coding that can be implemented to turn jerks into nice people...

However, let's consider if there are ways to do this, say sublimal messages to make them polite people, or say, a way to ostracize these people for being jerks by sending them off to a different facet (and lock them there). Would that be correct? Would you want to play such a game? Can we take away their freedom to be what they are, so that they conform to the normally accepted rules of society in a virtual world?

The internet and online games has their own set of weird ettiquette. Some are mirrored on the real world, but some are not. I write in upper case. Lower case letters are replaced by half sized versions of my upper case characters. But I don't do it online, since it's considered shouting and very rude. Some people may simply not know these unspoken ettiqutte till it has been pointed out to them.



Next about community:

Since the devs can't hypnotize people, what do you think would be a great way for the existing community (that means us the players) to build a stronger community? If you read the boards, there are several attempts at community building - bank sitting events, story writing competitions, bob vs fred kill fests (whatever happened to that last one?). Note, the devs can assist with these ideas, say setting up monthly fairgrounds.

Personally, I have seen wonderful community spirit. Players that never met each other before healing and rezzing others when doing champs or events. Even to the point of several people running to you at the same time to rez you. I'd even been rezzed several times by folks that noble sacrificed and erm...nobly died when they got hit immediately after (I actually feel quite bad at that). Or chasing your ghost as you run towards the shrine so that they can save you a couple of steps.

So I try to do the same and heal/rez people (and their pets) at these events. I find it being reciprocated more than often.

 

[Omnius]

I'm not following why someone would judge 75% of the population of the entire game based on a couple of asshats he ran into. Seems pretty narrow minded to me.

This seems to me to be a recurring thing. I feel as a player driven, further and further away from any sense of community when i cross the divide to blue gate land. it should simply not be so.

It's unfortunate that there is no quick way to deal with these negative encounters. Even in the early days of trammel we had counselors to quickly arrive and handle the issue, even if it was to send to players to opposite ends of the universe.

 

[Connor_Graham]

This seems to me to be a recurring thing. I feel as a player driven, further and further away from any sense of community when i cross the divide to blue gate land. it should simply not be so.

You're either just going to the wrong places, or having crappy luck and running into the same few asshats. The majority of players in Tram play nice. Maybe you should try another shard other than Atlantic.

 

[Omnius]

connor, it was not too long ago that I played pacific and encountered much of the same behavior

 

[Crow]

You answered your own question, and found the appropriate solution...stick to fel.

Trammel is good for bank sitting, vendor shopping and locations not found in fel (seige excluded of course).

Just ignore the punks and kiddies, which applies to any situation really...bartering and trying to reason only makes it worse.

 

[Connor_Graham]

connor, it was not too long ago that I played pacific and encountered much of the same behavior

Then the answer would be that you're going to the wrong places or having crappy luck and running into the same few asshats. I rarely run into the situation you describe in your OP, and with the amount of time that I play daily, it would be a normal occurrence if things were as bad as you seem to think they are.

 

[Canucklehead73]

Well Omnius, I would offer up my explanation, from my experience any spot that is a well known spawn for any "gain" be it gold, loot, skillgains etc will always be infested with certain types of players who are unwilling to share. The fact that your looking in trammel means thier only option to keep you from the "spawn" is to be as obnoxious as possible...

Most of these types of players imho are gold farmers or in this case players who do not want to wait to train thier tamer up for whatever task they need it for, again most likely gold farming. fyi when I say gold farmer I mean players who collect whatever items they can convert to gold and then to RL cash.

As for training your tamer, there are PLENTY of spots around sosaria where you can tame away to your hearts content without visiting the "hot spots" frequented and fought over by the commoners. heh heh And plus, moving around server zones is always good for the gains, and thats a free tip for ya.

good luck with your tamer! gotta be one of the more boring skills to train I think anyways... I have always promoted giving taming gains from everyday game play based on the pets difficulty to command, so you can at least play!

 

[Splup]

That is why you train taming in felucca. Ghosts don't trash, unless you have spirit speak.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I have always promoted giving taming gains from everyday game play based on the pets difficulty to command, so you can at least play!

I would also like to have a chance at a taming gain each time the overhead text changes while actively taming a creature. There's a check to lore at each of those, why isn't there one to taming too?

 

[Wenchkin]

Whenever you have a group of players competing for a spawn, eventually you're going to find the group consists of selfish and antisocial players.

In Fel you can fight and the strongest wins the argument. At least until the loser calls his guildies If you enter the Tram facets, said players become almost entirely immune to any kind of direct action and some just love to remind you of that fact. You just need to learn a new strategy for dealing with bad players in Tram or simply leave the area.

A few suggestions:

1 - never let them know you're annoyed/frustrated
2 - most will laugh if you ask for a duel or offer a gift
3 - never do anything which remotely breaks the rules - brats are the fastest pagers You can't accuse others when you're no better.
4 - always maintain a sense of humour, even in the face of extreme idiocy.

I tend to make jokes out of the brats, often just behind the screen but it's very useful in game too. If someone is trying hard to frustrate you and you're standing happily making fun of them, not only are they not getting the reaction they want, they're also having some frustration of their own to contend with.

With a bull killer, I'd be tempted to politely ask "why are you killing bulls?" then if they respond with some nonsense about not letting you tame, just smile and say "ok, I'll just tame in fel this week then, have fun!". Then he's not stopped you from taming and his boring bull killing isn't nearly as satisfying. He might follow you to Jhelom in Fel and be killable, or you might just hop to Delucia instead. But I'd never challenge for a duel or bribe anyone in Tram - that's playing right into their hands

Wenchy

 

[Demonous]

So i decided to work on a tamer i began in 99. I went to jhelom farms in trammel as I had heard that this was the place to train on bulls.

Well, Let me tell you folks about my experience.

First, 1 guy had one tamed and was training it on smaller animals. he declined multiple requests that he leave the server line for just a moment with it, even gates. Even when offered a million gold to do so.

Second, another guy shows up and just stands there killing bulls as they spawn. Saying all sorts of rude things. Refusing to leave, even when politely asked AND offered a million gold check to do so.

Next, I deal with some guy spamming some unfriendly statements but him i just use ignore on.

Unfriendly UO player #2 declined dueling mage on mage or any template on any template.

What has happened to the folks in this game? There is no friendliness, no courtesy. Trammel has become a danged cesspool. I found myself taming on a newbie tamer eventually in peace in fel. I've be attacked once but left alone when the less savory citizen of sosaria realized I was taming naked with nothing on me and no insured property.

I've had some bad experiences in UO. But folks in Trammel have convinced me that UO is single player only as soon as you leave the land of the red gates.

The only communities I can find anymore are in fel I guess. It's just sad that folks are so rude in this game and that the land meant to provide safety and insulation is really just a haven for those who desire to bother you with absolute impunity.

I do so miss the days of UO community.

uo is a game where everyone is out for themselves.... its been this way for as long as i can remember, hence constant scammers running around... very rarely will u find someone willing to help another... also offering someone a mil check is like offering them 70 cents

 

[It Lives]

connor, it was not too long ago that I played pacific and encountered much of the same behavior

Perhaps your playing between 5pm and 9pm, with school just getting out you will see a lot more " asshats" and anti social behavior. No matter where you go......