Trading Forums - Decision time Siege.

[Lord Gareth]

And in the meantime, those who were not in favor of this decision feel they have to remain quiet lest the zerg of admins and other mods dip them in their coffee and eat them alive.

Please dont count me out just because I am a moderator on Chesapeake. I happen to play Siege as well.

 

[AirmidCecht]

And in the meantime, those who were not in favor of this decision feel they have to remain quiet lest the zerg of admins and other mods dip them in their coffee and eat them alive.

No Kat, it's okay to be upset and say so. That's a given with something that affects you or the players on Siege but recognize it's not just the one person who cares more about the community of UO than many realize that is behind unpopular decisions. And eating them alive works both ways, no one woke up one day and asked, "how do we tick off the Siege community?" That's not a sleeping dog I'd want to poke either, but something like this is not a rule change you can separate and divide among shards.

 

[Kat]

Go right ahead and alienate all the honest and legit buyers and sellers. There are far more of us on Stratics than scammers. Lets see where that gets ya.

 

[Skylark SP]

I understand the decision to prohibit all account trading was made for all of UO Stratics, and I understand the reasons why. A few bad apples have effectively spoiled the barrel of account trading for everyone. However, I think there is more disgruntlement in this area for Siege players, because with the "special" feature of RoT, as Kat mentions, there are far more likely to be existing players who hail from other shards and new folks alike, shopping for an account with fully trained char at the ready to experience our shard.

I don't think the Stratics admins were trying to alienate their player/reader base, but there is no doubt it is going to make it very difficult for players to check up on proposed account sales now, and that people will have to go elsewhere for that sort of information.

-Skylark

 

[Kat]

but something like this is not a rule change you can separate and divide among shards.

It could be! Its not set in stone that all shard forums must have the same exact rules. In fact, somewhat of a precident has already been set with our Trade Forum, or lack thereof. Our shard has different rules than other shard, why can't our forum?

Siege is a different beast than other shards. Some rules, game changes, additions, etc affect us far more than others.


Additionally, at least here, we know who the scammers are and can avoid or advise [within the RoC] as necessary. If we have to move to some other forum to buy/sell accounts, god only knows what name they will be posting under. You're not helping the situation with this new rule, as much as you think you are.

Again, you all need to reconsider this.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

I gotta say Kat is dead on with this one. If you are going to prohibit the advertising of sales of accounts for gold, why stop there? Why should anyone be allowed to sell anything for gold? Homes, resources, items, they all hold the potential for scamming. How are they any different?

 

[kelmo]

There is a difference. You really can not compare a pile of ingots, a really nice bow or even a "home" smack dab in the middle of Luna to an account.

All of those other things are merely pixels. How ever you acquired them, they are not real.

An account is a "real" thing. It appears on my bank statement. It is something I pay for.

I have been scammed in game. By "game mechanics" used at times. Those players can be considered clever.

Stealing my account can be considered criminal. Hack into someones email account and see what happens...

This thread was created as a courtesy call. It asked if you folks wanted a trade forum. That was answered... You have been allowed to go off topic and rant. We at Stratics do understand how frustrating this decision has been.

Just know that we refuse to be accessories to criminal activities.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

There is a difference. You really can not compare a pile of ingots, a really nice bow or even a "home" smack dab in the middle of Luna to an account.

All of those other things are merely pixels. How ever you acquired them, they are not real.

An account is a "real" thing. It appears on my bank statement. It is something I pay for.

I have been scammed in game. By "game mechanics" used at times. Those players can be considered clever.

Stealing my account can be considered criminal. Hack into someones email account and see what happens...

This thread was created as a courtesy call. It asked if you folks wanted a trade forum. That was answered... You have been allowed to go off topic and rant. We at Stratics do understand how frustrating this decision has been.

Just know that we refuse to be accessories to criminal activities.

The cost is the same. Your account too is just a collection of pixels.

 

[Kat]

There is a difference. You really can not compare a pile of ingots, a really nice bow or even a "home" smack dab in the middle of Luna to an account.

All of those other things are merely pixels. How ever you acquired them, they are not real.

An account is a "real" thing. It appears on my bank statement. It is something I pay for.

I have been scammed in game. By "game mechanics" used at times. Those players can be considered clever.

Stealing my account can be considered criminal. Hack into someones email account and see what happens...

This thread was created as a courtesy call. It asked if you folks wanted a trade forum. That was answered... You have been allowed to go off topic and rant. We at Stratics do understand how frustrating this decision has been.

Just know that we refuse to be accessories to criminal activities.

Your account is no more real than anything on the account. Even at a police department with a net crimes division, their response will be the same whether someone scams you out of a bow, a house or an entire account. I've got a walking, living, breathing advisor and expert on that subject sitting less than 10 feet away from me.

I'm sorry, but this we're right and you're wrong attitude isn't helping anyone accept this new "rule". The fact is, not one of you decision-makers have given any good reasons, beyond your own benefit for this new rule. At least when Orvago made a decision and the community didn't agree, he was willing to listen and consider the opinions of the community. He was even big enough to reverse his decision... hence no Siege trade forum.

I don't know too many folks that will follow dictators these days. *shrugs*

 

[Shalimar/Cleo]

The cost is the same. Your account too is just a collection of pixels.

Yes.

The only thing that is real is the cash used in payment, gold used in payment (which the gripe is about) is just a 100% pixel transaction.

 

[Trevelyan]

Personally I think account sales are dubious simply because you can't put them in a secure trade window. Houses, rares etc can be. In addition, expensive items can be purchased off vendors.

Items over 120 mil, of course, pose a problem and require trust through the form of a broker. I really think that there should be cheques for higher amounts in UO to avoid potential issues that this can cause. However the issues relating to account sales are much harder to circumvent and anyone who buys an account for gold is wide open to abuse.

All that the original owner has to do is to do is contact EA Customer Support, give their account name and the last method of payment and they can claim their account was hacked. This, I think, even applies if the account creation code is in the hands of the new owner (although this is something I would always hang on to with an account of value).

I'm not against account sales for gold but it is very risky. That account name will always be known to at least one other person; the previous owner. Maybe other people know that person too or maybe someone sold them the account before. Some account names are easier to guess than others and there is a possibility that the previous owner could have their computer compromised and the UO account folder snooped through. Given that scenario, then, it could even be possible for someone to have access to all the previous owner's financial details and use them to reclaim an account.

 

[Mook Chessy]

Mods, if its the law that caused this change then simply post...All account sales must go through the dedicated EA account transfer system. 3

If EA allows account transfers it seems silly to me that Stratics would block such sales.

One of the things I love about Siege is this Board.

Check out most prods shards, they use Tradespot. I watched this site slowly turn into garbage. The Mods started blocking the sales of gold/items and over time only to began to sell said items themsleves.

I fear the Stratics is going down the same path.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

As Siege slowly dies, some of us struggle to hold on. I post in Stratics far less than I did before the major data wipe a couple years ago. My comment here will be brief.

- The Stratics Mods made a decision (how that happened matters not).

- The community clearly thinks it is a bad decision (arguing why changes nothing).

- The choices for Siege Mods now is; alienate your base by stubbornly sticking to your guns or; modify your decision to meet the expectations of your users.

- The choices for the users now is; continue complaining until this is changed or; sheepishly accept this change (this group, yeah right) or; give up the slim hope that Siege will not completely die and quit.

This shard is on a respirator and something like this is similar to pulling the plug.

I am a bit taken aback by the arrogance shown in this thread by those in control. The people posting here have not been accused of scamming have they? If not, why the high and mighty attitude? Come down from the mountain on this one.

 

[kelmo]

It is clear that Siege does not want a trade forum. The only shard that does not.

As for the rest... It is done. We value all of our subscribers. We will continue to serve the UO community as best we can.