My post?? If thats what you consider "trolling" I'd hate to hear you opinion of the actual trolling thats goes on around here.
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They would still have seperate account names and passwords, so no more difficult than it is now.Yes, if accounts were linked.
It wouldn't be a good idea to have them tradeable.
The problem with linked accounts is if one gets hacked, the hacker would get the lot..
Ok, I put it up to ages ago on the old old forums, but you might have been the inspiration or something. But anyway, its good that we're on the same page then
My other suggestion shows an easy way to defeat that. Prevent relinking to anything for 6 months and have 2 years responsibility (or permanent) responsibility for any account that has been linked to your account.
*Duplicated post because hosting on a cloud service sucks*
*Duplicated post because hosting on a cloud service sucks*
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Fat Lip
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hazrad,
I'm don't necessarily like the idea you proposed, but I do feel your pain. I can't stand the skill gain process in Ultima Online. Skill gain is boring, and slow, and not fun for me. I've done the 'skill gain grind' and it seems to work faster then 'just playing', but it just sucks.
Training skills should be fun & have consistant rewards; even if it's just a simple .1 gain. In UO, I've noticed that some skills gain faster than others (like Arms lore being fast to train VS. Weapon Skill, or Taming, or Poisoning, or Magery).
It would be nice if they did added a point system maybe, where you could see how long you have to go before a gain, instead of just hoping for the best. Example: you could see in a skill menu how many points you need before you get a .1 gain; showing how many gorgots you need to make before you gain, or how many successful attacks, or successful spells cast before a .1 gain.
I hope you don't do what I did back in 2004, and cancel your account(s) due to painful skill gain. I would suggest to take some breaks from the game when training just to clear your mind and get a fresh perspective. Maybe even a break from playing all together for like a week. I know it sounds bizarre having to stop playing for a while, especially something when it's supposed to be a break from life in general, but skill gain is no fun sometimes and you may need to think more about how your mood is.
Good luck pal, and keep hoping for the best.
I'm don't necessarily like the idea you proposed, but I do feel your pain. I can't stand the skill gain process in Ultima Online. Skill gain is boring, and slow, and not fun for me. I've done the 'skill gain grind' and it seems to work faster then 'just playing', but it just sucks.
Training skills should be fun & have consistant rewards; even if it's just a simple .1 gain. In UO, I've noticed that some skills gain faster than others (like Arms lore being fast to train VS. Weapon Skill, or Taming, or Poisoning, or Magery).
It would be nice if they did added a point system maybe, where you could see how long you have to go before a gain, instead of just hoping for the best. Example: you could see in a skill menu how many points you need before you get a .1 gain; showing how many gorgots you need to make before you gain, or how many successful attacks, or successful spells cast before a .1 gain.
I hope you don't do what I did back in 2004, and cancel your account(s) due to painful skill gain. I would suggest to take some breaks from the game when training just to clear your mind and get a fresh perspective. Maybe even a break from playing all together for like a week. I know it sounds bizarre having to stop playing for a while, especially something when it's supposed to be a break from life in general, but skill gain is no fun sometimes and you may need to think more about how your mood is.
Good luck pal, and keep hoping for the best.
I've been playing since Jan 1998 and have cancelled and re-subscribed numerous times. The longest stretch I have canceled for I think is about 2 years. I always seem to come back to UO for some reason. I have to admit, it's the best MMO I have ever experienced. 8)I hope you don't do what I did back in 2004, and cancel your account(s) due to painful skill gain. I would suggest to take some breaks from the game when training just to clear your mind and get a fresh perspective. Maybe even a break from playing all together for like a week. I know it sounds bizarre having to stop playing for a while, especially something when it's supposed to be a break from life in general, but skill gain is no fun sometimes and you may need to think more about how your mood is.
Good luck pal, and keep hoping for the best.
But sometimes, I find myself grinding away at something in UO thinking to myself "Oh my gosh, why am I doing this? This is sooooo boring. I am not getting any gratification doing this at all. I could be doing better things with my time right now, like..." and then sometimes if the sting of that thought hurts badly enough, I turn the switch off and unsubscribe for many months.
I'm finding myself in the same boat with skill training. I want to grow a character on another shard. I don't want to transfer a character over. So starting fresh on another shard is basically starting from scratch. I challenge myself to not spend the cash or gold on advanced character tokens or anything to give me a head start. And why bother spending it, getting to 85 isn't that bad, it's breaking the 90's that's driving me insane. Sounds like a fun challenge, wouldn't you agree? So it's this scenario that's bringing me to the point of "this is soooo boring, bloody well quit this because I am getting nothing out of it..." all because of the skill grind. I've been here for a long time. I deserve accelerated skill gain because I am old and have done this too many times to count, damn it! 8).
And my dear UO peers, it's not 1998 anymore. Sosaria is empty. It's a pleasant surprise to find a soul our two hunting in Covetous on their first character. But that's far and few. It's down right lonely in 2010 grinding your new character on a new shard in some of the oldest dungeons on the world. I honestly feel like I am the only idiot doing such a thing. Everyone else is running their favourite third party tool to bring up their skills.
If it's any reassurance at all, you're not the only one not using 'their favourite third party tool'. I'm busily chasing round the old dungeons training lockpick atm - well, not right now cos I'm typing on the board . It's the 5th time I've trained the skill. 2 characters for my hubby, one of mine and one for a friend on Siege and now this one on Europa
No 'unapproved 3rd party program' has ever been loaded onto any pc in this house, nor will it ever be.
. It's the 5th time I've trained the skill. 2 characters for my hubby, one of mine and one for a friend on Siege and now this one on EuropaNo 'unapproved 3rd party program' has ever been loaded onto any pc in this house, nor will it ever be.
Well, I can see that my opinion that having to train a skill over & over is just not a pain when done by playing the game is probably going to qualify as close to trolling in this particular thread so I'll leave it to you folks.
Back to upping skills by enjoying playing the game in about 15 minutes.
Thanks for checking out the thread Petra. < bows with a smile>
Back to upping skills by enjoying playing the game in about 15 minutes.
Thanks for checking out the thread Petra. < bows with a smile>
'Trolling' is very misused around here. Many people misconstrue a difference of opinion for trolling. Don't let them get to you. 8)Well, I can see that my opinion that having to train a skill over & over is just not a pain when done by playing the game is probably going to qualify as close to trolling in this particular thread so I'll leave it to you folks.
Back to upping skills by enjoying playing the game in about 15 minutes.
Thanks for checking out the thread Petra. < bows with a smile>
OK, so there's no pain in skill gain when done by playing the game for you Tanivar... but does that mean you disagree with the idea of quicker skill gain when training a skill on another character that has already been trained already?
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Tay M'real
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Apparently you weren't around pre-ren....
Friend, apparently I was around since pre-T2A. It's not apparent how my original post would lead you to believe I was not around pre-ren. Skill gain was easy and broken pre-T2A. I clearly remember going from 88 to 100 archery in Deceit in an evening. I also remember the skill and stat loss incurred when you die red.
not all low end stuff is 'useless'. Lizardmen for leather, savage shaman for blue berries, Juka for arcane gems, ratmen for arrows, meer captains for bolts.
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longshanks
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eh... depends. in my guild we routinely take guys training say swords to the dreadhorn. we stack, xheal, beat on the dread horn and he gains very nice.
result. he gains fairly and gets to fight high end stuff at the same time.
the general invasion was awesome for this as well.
i think the macroing of skills even unattended is way down there on the list of things that need to be looked at. just mho.
The earn should equal the burn.
Beside if you been playing that long then you have finnished characters to hunt the big game. The other slots are for crafting/steal/gathering. What is left over is fluff for fun. Like a stealth dexxer that uses shadow strike when things get heavy.
Problem is with gaming is this post computer generation that wants the gold ring now and to be teleported to the next and don't want the satisfaction of working to the first. The real hook of any geat game is setting goals and working to that end. That feeling of accompishment and setting up to start the next quest. They keep giving players every little thing without breaking a sweat they will get bored and move on to another game to burn out on. Someone that bust their ass to earn a million dollars will make better use of it the someone that hit the lotto. UOs foundation of hardcore players are the ones with war stories on how or what they have. Not this new generation that can'r remember what DVD they watched while skill gaining.
Oh and for those pre computer generationers out there. They will tell you UO is the easy way to game over the old stack of books and a bag of dice. And rambles on about walking up hill both direction in waste deep snow.........
Beside if you been playing that long then you have finnished characters to hunt the big game. The other slots are for crafting/steal/gathering. What is left over is fluff for fun. Like a stealth dexxer that uses shadow strike when things get heavy.
Problem is with gaming is this post computer generation that wants the gold ring now and to be teleported to the next and don't want the satisfaction of working to the first. The real hook of any geat game is setting goals and working to that end. That feeling of accompishment and setting up to start the next quest. They keep giving players every little thing without breaking a sweat they will get bored and move on to another game to burn out on. Someone that bust their ass to earn a million dollars will make better use of it the someone that hit the lotto. UOs foundation of hardcore players are the ones with war stories on how or what they have. Not this new generation that can'r remember what DVD they watched while skill gaining.
Oh and for those pre computer generationers out there. They will tell you UO is the easy way to game over the old stack of books and a bag of dice. And rambles on about walking up hill both direction in waste deep snow.........
7 char slots and you have done this 10 times? Ever hear of SoulStones? How many 120 mages do you need on 1 account?
I don`t like training skills either. On my list of skills I am currently training I have begging, stealing, mining, stealth, swords,herding,magery, mysticism, taming,bushido, provocation among others. But I see no reason whatsoever why this should be made any easier, or faster. I am the one that choose to train these skills in the first place, magery for the third time.
I use what is legally useable, like alacrity scrolls, knowledge about how and where to train, training faqs, GGS, Uo assist, gear - like a maxed spelltraining suit - and whenever I can afford it : sots. I don`t use illegal third party apps, and I hope fire rain down on those that do.
I just train the skills a bit at a time. Until I just can`t take it anymore. And then I go and do something else with my time.
I use what is legally useable, like alacrity scrolls, knowledge about how and where to train, training faqs, GGS, Uo assist, gear - like a maxed spelltraining suit - and whenever I can afford it : sots. I don`t use illegal third party apps, and I hope fire rain down on those that do.
I just train the skills a bit at a time. Until I just can`t take it anymore. And then I go and do something else with my time.
Ever hear of multiple shards without spending anything on char transfer tokens or advanced char tokens?
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Hurley
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This is the biggest crybaby post I've seen yet.
How about UO just makes it where you can buy skills off of the gamecodes store, just to make the newbs happy.... Just like when they made house teleporters a 12TH YEAR (that means that we paid for uo for 12 years) VET REWARD and everyone cried until they could pay for one. And now you people want to be able to buy the 720 skill cap, because ITS SO UNFAIR that i have 20 more skill points.
You people cry about everything, then sit there and say JUST PLAY THE GAME LIKE ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED?
You're supposed to earn your keep, so shut up.
How about UO just makes it where you can buy skills off of the gamecodes store, just to make the newbs happy.... Just like when they made house teleporters a 12TH YEAR (that means that we paid for uo for 12 years) VET REWARD and everyone cried until they could pay for one. And now you people want to be able to buy the 720 skill cap, because ITS SO UNFAIR that i have 20 more skill points.
You people cry about everything, then sit there and say JUST PLAY THE GAME LIKE ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED?
You're supposed to earn your keep, so shut up.
Now that's what I call trolling? Anyone agree?
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Hurley
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How could that be considered trolling when I've been involved in the post from the beginning?
I consider your idea to be very, very bad and ill conceived w/ very little thought put into it. Don't try to censor or silence me just because I don't like your ideas.
I consider your idea to be very, very bad and ill conceived w/ very little thought put into it. Don't try to censor or silence me just because I don't like your ideas.
So now you want this to cross over to different shards too. NOEver hear of multiple shards without spending anything on char transfer tokens or advanced char tokens?
What do you really need leather for?
I don't even remember what blue berries are for.
Arcane gems are rather useless.
Arrows and bolts can be bought cheap from NPCs.
"Biggest cry baby"? , "you people cry about everything"?, "you're suppose to earn your keep so shut up"... ?
Thanks for being civil and having an open mind to my idea. I put ALOT of though in my idea, I put 12 years of thinking into my idea. Thanks for shutting it down the way you did.
They're not trying to "silence" you because they don't like your idea, but because you're borderline making meaningless trolls there.
So if you don't want it to be like that, then don't use it. Why are you wanting to limit others in their wishes on something you have no interest in using?
Says who?
I would like to see the dev ruling, TOS/EULA part or other such that states this anywhere.
This would be so great for all those people that go to other shards just to get all the L33T stuff at EM Events.
Power Game 120 mages, 120 Tamers or what ever char you want on that shard in what 2 days just so they can get the L33T stuff to sell.
The only thought put into this was how can I get L33T chars as fast as possible and not what it would mean to all the other people on other shards.
Might as well make all shards TCs then.
Power Game 120 mages, 120 Tamers or what ever char you want on that shard in what 2 days just so they can get the L33T stuff to sell.
The only thought put into this was how can I get L33T chars as fast as possible and not what it would mean to all the other people on other shards.
Might as well make all shards TCs then.
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Hurley
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ROFL
There has been contradiction after contradiction in this thread.
You feel like you are entitled to free gains since you did it once already? I feel like I'm entitled to speak my piece since I've sat back, kept my mouth shut and let bad ideas and lazy people take UO in the wrong direction.
What the biggests contradiction in this thread is, is the OP plays off an on for 12 yrs, just comes back and wants to power gain skills on other shards.
Because the argument is flawed and the logic behind it is equally flawed. TC is that way ->
Theres nothing illegal about running a macro (without illegal 3rd party programs) all day for skillgain as long as you are present at the computer and your UO window. And if you cant handle that, youd either end up getting banned or you dont deserve to have that skill trained.So using a 100 LRC suit and setting a macro to cast a spell then putting something on the macro so it runs all day?
No it wouldn't be great for all those Power Game players. Power gamer players do the character transfer thing using the token that they bought off of a vendor with the gold they accumulated from farming using illegal third party tools. They won't bother skill training by playing the game. They have other means to skill train.
I proposed it as an idea. I think it's sound. Not everyone has OCD and is able to do the same repetitive task over and over and over again and somehow get enjoyment. It's a game, not a job. I want to enjoy higher level content sooner than later because as a mature player I have grown beyond the grind of easy level content. That's uninteresting now. It did it already, the next time I do it again, can we make it go a weeeee bit faster? Why is this such a problem? Every skill you will ever train the first time will take the standard amount of time. The next time around, speed it up a bit. I'm getting old here and it's not that fun killing harpies in Covetous anymore. Next please.
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Hurley
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Wow. There you go again, making assumptions about other players. How about we just ban anyone who uses character transfers, too. You don't know where everyone's gold comes from.
You are also wanting other means to train. Accelerated skill gain because of your sense of Entitlement. Go buy a golem and macro unattended like all the other players who don't want to put in work.
And of course you have a gun to your head and someone behind you saying you need to train this now or else..
Oh. It`s a choice you made?
Hmm.
I assure you, no assumptions here. I know a few different groups of UO "Power Gamers" that use to shard hop regularly working the champ spawns. And I know the means used. I did not assume anything.
My mistake is that the use of term "Power Gamers" is ambiguous. Sorry.
Oh, I made the proposal. But I am trying to defend the idea because I think it's sound. Others think it's not so good and not thought out and I want to debate that reason why not. I like the debate. I like to come to a civil understanding as to why we agree or disagree on the idea. But some people just say thinks like "cry babies". "Earn your keep". With no real reason behind their reasoning as far as I can tell.
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Hurley
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Now x-sharding and working champ spawns is cheating?
Bro, quit spouting off random accusations just because you have a bad idea.
Bro, quit spouting off random accusations just because you have a bad idea.
Hey Hurley, I gotta say that I think you are misunderstanding me. Can you tell me where I stated that x-sharding and champ spawning is cheating? Seriously. Where did I make this accusation? Come on. Sync up will you?
Buy a soulstone ... problem solved :/
I have played UO for well over 10 years now...
I have several accounts and over 50 characters on the shard that I choose to play as well as multiple characters on other shards and I'll say this:
Grinding skills is the way to build the character... taking your time to get to know your character.... learn it's limits refine the template and get a good feel of what it is capable of.
Instagainning skills would take that away. Besides which UO is meant to be played...
Yes it takes hours, months, weeks, days to build up skills and to get a character trained up... but so what?
I hate everyone trying to take the game to "simple" mode. Just put on your big boy/girl panties and do the work.
No one wants to work anymore. Not in RL and not in a game. Everyone seems to want instant gratification...
The best things in life you work hard for and are earned.
Yes some skills suck to gain... but that's what makes the achievement so meaningful. Like 120 taming.
Magery is almost easy now given that you can use the wand or whatever to lower your magery by 29 and gain better at lower levels... You can't do that with other skills.
I have several accounts and over 50 characters on the shard that I choose to play as well as multiple characters on other shards and I'll say this:
Grinding skills is the way to build the character... taking your time to get to know your character.... learn it's limits refine the template and get a good feel of what it is capable of.
Instagainning skills would take that away. Besides which UO is meant to be played...
Yes it takes hours, months, weeks, days to build up skills and to get a character trained up... but so what?
I hate everyone trying to take the game to "simple" mode. Just put on your big boy/girl panties and do the work.
No one wants to work anymore. Not in RL and not in a game. Everyone seems to want instant gratification...
The best things in life you work hard for and are earned.
Yes some skills suck to gain... but that's what makes the achievement so meaningful. Like 120 taming.
Magery is almost easy now given that you can use the wand or whatever to lower your magery by 29 and gain better at lower levels... You can't do that with other skills.
I am not referring to your proposal in the part you quoted. I am referring to the choice you made when you decided you wanted to train the skill.
Not by gunpoint was it?
You decided it was important enough for your enjoyment of the game to train the skill, even if you had trained it x nr of times before. Thats what we all do. We make choices in the game based on what we deem necessary or important for our own enjoyment. It varies from player to player of course.
Then you have to decide if maxing the skill fast is worth the grind. That is also your choice. See what I`m getting at ?
Of course not by gun point. No one is forcing me but myself I suppose.
I joined a new shard. I want to keep my main on the existing shard so I can use him when necessary. I want to build the exact same template on the new shard so I can get into champ spawns and higher difficulty content playing in the same style that I enjoy on my main shard. I'd like to get to that point quickly because that's what I enjoy. The process of getting there use to be a blast but after doing it over and over again, it is extremely boring for the likes of me. So boring that I am now abandoning the idea. I just can't get myself to log in and grind grind grind grind and not get enjoyment. I like to play this game for enjoyment. I work hard everyday and I would just like to sit back and enjoy this game to take a break from my working life. The enjoyment of grinding up for the billionth time is gone. And like usual, I'll let the account sit, paying for it while I do nothing with it and go and unwind in an FPS or an RTS. Because I love this game too much to leave it but I hate that at times it bores me to death....
Ultimately, my lifestyle does not fit being active in game a few hours a day 7 days a week. That was when I was a student in University. These days, I get about 1.5 hours 3 times a week, maximum. The mission to grind up to get to the point where I want to be on the new shard is too large to chew at the rate I actually play.
I understand where you are coming from. I swear I do. Do you understand where I am coming from? I think you do now.