The whole paging on unattended macroer thing

[Omnius]

unfortunately, siege's skill gain system is horrid and unenjoyable beyond reason.

 

[guum]

I think there's some sort of escalating feedback loop going on here. The griefing, luring, spawn-jumping, and paging started off fairly mild, but once people started getting griefed, lured upon, having their spawns jumped, and getting paged on, they got pissed off and started doing the same to others, and so on. I know that I've had all of the above happen to me, and every time it does happen, it makes me want to go out and be a ******* to everyone else in the dojo, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

 

[Omnius]

Frankly I don't feel any desire to harm these folks but I'd teach them a thing or two about UO when they can't hide behind the rule set of trammel.

 

[H2O]

Frankly I don't feel any desire to harm these folks but I'd teach them a thing or two about UO when they can't hide behind the rule set of trammel.

Like I asked earlier on what shard on you on? I want to see who is doing the luring and also see why they would be paging on you so much for. I still do not believe you are telling the whole story and you are adding stuff to your story to make you more of a victim. I maybe wrong on this but, your story is full of holes.

 

[Foolio the Bard]

I think there's some sort of escalating feedback loop going on here.

I completely agree.
This event in a lot of ways has brought out some of the ugly side of many players.

Funny thing happened today, as I was killing elementals with my Greater Dragon in Tokuno, some melee character walks in like usual and starts trying to kill the spawn and proceeds to tells me "isnt that a bit overkill? to use a dragon on these?"
What a stupid question I thought. I said to him "I'm a tamer, are you suggesting I get something out of the stables that will kill them slower, so that it will take longer for me to get an artifact drop?"
His mental capacity wasn't up to the question.
Strangely, he left before I could ask if he thought his elemental slayer bow with 40% damage increase was overkill and that perhaps he should give the elementals a chance by getting a store bought bow instead...

 

[MuffinBear]

Well first things first.. EA will never ban a player for using the Help feature.. period.

Actually they will.

The year was 1999...a game called EverQuest was about to come out and I had watched some previews of it and seen some screen shots of it...I was curious about it.

In Ultima I told some people that I would probably go play that game and 2 players (being nice) wanted to show me around Ultima Online and show me some neat places that I might not of been to before.

Anyways, they showed me places like the Star room and other places that I forgot but one place they showed me was Green Acres...I marked a rune there to return later.....anyways, they showed me that going there was how people would transfer ostards and ridable llamas from T2A to the old world.



I went back to this land..."Green Acres" later and some dragon roaming around there killed me with one shot from a fire ball....this was 10 years ago before there was the stuck feature so I used the Help feature.

I paged saying I am stuck in this place since I died and I cant find any way out.

So this GM (or Seer) something like that shows up and says....


[GM] Ah, one moment.

[me] hi, ok

[GM] K back, I was just putting a warning on your account for being here.

[me] why?

[GM] It's against the rules for being in Green Acres.

[me] i've never even heard of this place or that rule, where can I read it at, it's not on the website or in the book.

[GM] It doesn't matter, it's a well known rule that you aren't supposed to be here.


Anyways, I called for help and got a warning on my account because I went to some place in the game...basically I was punished for using the help feature.


Oh and I don't think that ever was an official rule, I don't remember seeing anything about Green Acres on the website or in the instruction manual or anywhere.

ps, I quit Ultima and went over to EQ because of that.



ps again, I played EQ for about year then sold my account for 650 dollars then used part of that money to pay for my drivers ed! haha take that gm >=D

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

For starters I do not think I was talking to you. I said "A lot" as in not all. Now if i said all then yeah you would have a complaint. If you think players are not running alarms to alert them a GM is speaking then you are really in the dark. As to you saying I run these programs then you are dead wrong.

It is funny yet again, I did not say you ran any programs, not even hinted, what I did say is that you do not know how viable of an option it is but since you got defensive about it now I am lead to think you just might.

Anyway you were talking to me by first saying Omnius story could not be, I clearly said I have the same exact problem as him on these 3 named shards if you wanted to see it happening, You see for me to have nearly the same story as him and for you to dismiss that his story could be true is the same as dismissing my story as being true thus calling anyone with close to the same situation as him a liar.

*wanders off wondering how he could possibly think he knows an alarm would even begin to work with out having seen it himself*

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Anyways, I called for help and got a warning on my account because I went to some place in the game...basically I was punished for using the help feature.

Oh and I don't think that ever was an official rule, I don't remember seeing anything about Green Acres on the website or in the instruction manual or anywhere.

Green Acres is or was the GM area, players are not allowed there. (not sure if it is still the GM area or not but heh) And you got punished for being in a place you were not meant to be, not for using the help feature. This is like saying "hey I was cheating and I paged a GM for help but forgot to stop cheating before I paged and the GM banned me for doing it"

And I am pretty sure 10 years ago the Stuck feature was there since I am nearly 100% sure that it has been around since at least trammel and trammel has been around since then, heh. Could have been around longer but you an not expect me to remember every detail and when they changed over the course of 12 years.

 

[ElRay]

Green Acres is or was the GM area, players are not allowed there. (not sure if it is still the GM area or not but heh) And you got punished for being in a place you were not meant to be, not for using the help feature. This is like saying "hey I was cheating and I paged a GM for help but forgot to stop cheating before I paged and the GM banned me for doing it"

Stupid analogy. It does not even make sense.

 

[H2O]

It is funny yet again, I did not say you ran any programs, not even hinted, what I did say is that you do not know how viable of an option it is but since you got defensive about it now I am lead to think you just might.

Anyway you were talking to me by first saying Omnius story could not be, I clearly said I have the same exact problem as him on these 3 named shards if you wanted to see it happening, You see for me to have nearly the same story as him and for you to dismiss that his story could be true is the same as dismissing my story as being true thus calling anyone with close to the same situation as him a liar.

*wanders off wondering how he could possibly think he knows an alarm would even begin to work with out having seen it himself*

You can think whatever you wish to think. I do not care what is happening to you on whatever shard its happening on. If you don't like what I type then don't read it. You may fall for Omnius stoty hook,line,and sinker but I know better and it's more to his story then he is saying. You can defend him day and night and in the end it's more to it then what is begin told.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Stupid analogy. It does not even make sense.

It does not make sense how? He was doing something he should not have been and he paged on himself, it is the same exact thing.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

You can think whatever you wish to think. I do not care what is happening to you on whatever shard its happening on. If you don't like what I type then don't read it. You may fall for Omnius stoty hook,line,and sinker but I know better and it's more to his story then he is saying. You can defend him day and night and in the end it's more to it then what is begin told.

I do not fall for his story, I also had no reason to defend him. The events that happen to others are the same as has happened to him, not to believe him is the same as not to believe others. Just because I didn't feel the need to post about it does not make the facts any different. I am defending myself, His story being the same as my own brings back to the point that for you to say his can not be true means for you to say mine is not true. If you already know where he plays, thus knowing him, thus knowing he is lying right now, is completely different than you asking him where he plays and saying there is no way his story can be true based on what he wrote. If he you know he is lying then you can point it out that you personally know this, other wise speculating he is lying and saying his story can not be true is the same as saying mine is not true, and this is where I come in.

You care what is happening to him but not to me? That is just silly, since it is the exact same thing, so you are just saying you are trying to make a personal slight against Omnius? I could just as simply make a thread with the exact same story as his and wait for you to call me a liar as you have called him, and then wait for you to ask me where I play and then tell you a second time where I play so you can come check it out.

In either case if you can not comprehend how saying a story that one person has is not true when another person has nearly the same things happen, is not the same as saying the story the second person had is not true, it is no longer any consequence to me.

Read his story, put my name as the poster and then come back and say only he is lying and not me, then I will know you are just trying to crusade against him and not saying his story is not possible and likely.

 

[H2O]

I do not fall for his story, I also had no reason to defend him. The events that happen to others are the same as has happened to him, not to believe him is the same as not to believe others. Just because I didn't feel the need to post about it does not make the facts any different. I am defending myself, His story being the same as my own brings back to the point that for you to say his can not be true means for you to say mine is not true. If you already know where he plays, thus knowing him, thus knowing he is lying right now, is completely different than you asking him where he plays and saying there is no way his story can be true based on what he wrote. If he you know he is lying then you can point it out that you personally know this, other wise speculating he is lying and saying his story can not be true is the same as saying mine is not true, and this is where I come in.

You care what is happening to him but not to me? That is just silly, since it is the exact same thing, so you are just saying you are trying to make a personal slight against Omnius? I could just as simply make a thread with the exact same story as his and wait for you to call me a liar as you have called him, and then wait for you to ask me where I play and then tell you a second time where I play so you can come check it out.

In either case if you can not comprehend how saying a story that one person has is not true when another person has nearly the same things happen, is not the same as saying the story the second person had is not true, it is no longer any consequence to me.

Read his story, put my name as the poster and then come back and say only he is lying and not me, then I will know you are just trying to crusade against him and not saying his story is not possible and likely.

Unless you have been paged on 24 times then you need to hush. Like I said I was not talking to you or do I care what your story is. You can say all you want your story and Omnius are the same but until you have been paged on 24 times and lured on all day you need to climb back in your hole and hush.

 

[Foolio the Bard]

This thread is a trainwreck.

Everyone just walk away...

 

[guum]

Unless you have been paged on 24 times then you need to hush. Like I said I was not talking to you or do I care what your story is. You can say all you want your story and Omnius are the same but until you have been paged on 24 times and lured on all day you need to climb back in your hole and hush.

A related tangent: how do you add a stratics poster to your ignore list?

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Unless you have been paged on 24 times then you need to hush. Like I said I was not talking to you or do I care what your story is. You can say all you want your story and Omnius are the same but until you have been paged on 24 times and lured on all day you need to climb back in your hole and hush.

Do I need to repeat what I said again? By the way my page count is 39 an counting, I think 14 of those was the same player *shrugs*

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

This thread is a trainwreck.

Everyone just walk away...

Your advise is the best....*sighs*

 

[H2O]

Do I need to repeat what I said again? By the way my page count is 39 an counting, I think 14 of those was the same player *shrugs*

If you are begin paged on that much then either you are doing something shady or someone just has it out for you. I would hope they have a good reason to be paging on you that much.
If you are not doing anything illegal, I would email someone of power to look into the person paging on you all the time. I do not know what your a doing to be paged on so much and if they are false paging on you for no reason they should be banned.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

If you are begin paged on that much then either you are doing something shady or someone just has it out for you. I would hope they have a good reason to be paging on you that much.
If you are not doing anything illegal, I would email someone of power to look into the person paging on you all the time. I do not know what your a doing to be paged on so much and if they are false paging on you for no reason they should be banned.

Was my point. -.-, nothing shady just casting invis while my pet or pets fight since I do not have hiding. Or I just do not respond to people I do not feel like responding to while on my melee char, usually with my wife tho and not sure how anyone assumes I am afk...But meh, I was simply pointing out that some people page for no real reason, or seemingly no reason. They also lure with out doing any sort of investigative work (as I posted earlier) I do not really care why they page or not, and I do advocate people getting banned from being able to page if they page to much. But they are not really bothering me by paging.

And I invited you to check any time you like, so you know it is nothing shady Just simply people can not believe someone would actually play attended.

 

[H2O]

Was my point. -.-, nothing shady just casting invis while my pet or pets fight since I do not have hiding. Or I just do not respond to people I do not feel like responding to while on my melee char, usually with my wife tho and not sure how anyone assumes I am afk...But meh, I was simply pointing out that some people page for no real reason, or seemingly no reason. They also lure with out doing any sort of investigative work (as I posted earlier) I do not really care why they page or not, and I do advocate people getting banned from being able to page if they page to much. But they are not really bothering me by paging.

And I invited you to check any time you like, so you know it is nothing shady Just simply people can not believe someone would actually play attended.

My point is your not a mage like the person who started this post. I like to see what he is a doing as a mage not a tamer that he is getting paged on so much. People page on pets while not seeing owner all that time and that is old news what I want to see is why a pure mage is begin paged on so much.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

My point is your not a mage like the person who started this post. I like to see what he is a doing as a mage not a tamer that he is getting paged on so much. People page on pets while not seeing owner all that time and that is old news what I want to see is why a pure mage is begin paged on so much.

Ok...So that point is the only deviant, I would assume he is doing the same as me tho, minus the pets. Summon 2 evs cast invis. But...I guess I do not know. Assuming he is actually casting other spells It would be interesting, could just be people don't like him tho lol. Oh well no more speculation, I suppose he could just say what he is doing.

 

[MuffinBear]

Green Acres is or was the GM area, players are not allowed there. (not sure if it is still the GM area or not but heh) And you got punished for being in a place you were not meant to be, not for using the help feature. This is like saying "hey I was cheating and I paged a GM for help but forgot to stop cheating before I paged and the GM banned me for doing it"

Let me explain this a little more.....There was no mention of Green Acres anywhere, it wasn't mentioned on the website and it wasn't mentioned in the instruction manual that came with the game.

So how can you say I was in an area I wasn't meant to be in? It was a part of the game...there weren't any signs saying I wasn't supposed to be there and there were no written rules about that place.

Are the players just supposed to assume certain areas of the game are off limits and against the rules to explore?

The real problem back then is that GMs would make up rules on the spot.

And I am pretty sure 10 years ago the Stuck feature was there since I am nearly 100% sure that it has been around since at least trammel and trammel has been around since then, heh. Could have been around longer but you an not expect me to remember every detail and when they changed over the course of 12 years.

The first UO expansion was T2A and there was no trammel back then and there was no stuck feature either, they probably added the stuck feature because of T2A since there were alot of places there where you could get stuck and couldnt get out unless you could recall.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Let me explain this a little more.....There was no mention of Green Acres anywhere, it wasn't mentioned on the website and it wasn't mentioned in the instruction manual that came with the game.

So how can you say I was in an area I wasn't meant to be in? It was a part of the game...there weren't any signs saying I wasn't supposed to be there and there were no written rules about that place.

Are the players just supposed to assume certain areas of the game are off limits and against the rules to explore?

The real problem back then is that GMs would make up rules on the spot.

The first UO expansion was T2A and there was no trammel back then and there was no stuck feature either, they probably added the stuck feature because of T2A since there were alot of places there where you could get stuck and couldnt get out unless you could recall.

Count the years buddy...2009 minus 10 is 1999 trammel was out, so was the stuck feature.
I based my original statement off of yours, sure you may have been wrong about how long ago this happened, but I do not know that. My saying it could have been out longer than that is because I do not remember the exact date they added it, but I am nearly 100% sure it has been out since trammel and trammel was out 10 years ago and that is where your statement was flawed.

And considering it was an exploit used to enter the Green acres area, it was not legal. The game has always been on a "case to case" basis, what the GMs decide is how it is. They could have just told you not to do it again (honestly I think this is what should have happened) and put a mark on your account just stating if you were in green acres again you were to be banned/jailed/ or whatever punishment they felt was right. But my point was that you were not punished for using the help system, you were punished for being in a place that you were not suppose to be, if it was your fault or not had nothing to do with what my point was.

 

[Foolio the Bard]

Count the years buddy...2009 minus 10 is 1999 trammel was out, so was the stuck feature.

Trammel was released on May 4, 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Online:_Renaissance

On August 10, 2000, the following was published:

Stuck Player Options
An option will be added to assist stuck players. This feature will work in the following manner:

When a player selects the stuck option in the help menu, after a short time they will get a menu of certain cities that they will be able to be transported to via this system.

http://www.uoguide.com/Publish_6

Google power!!!

 

[MuffinBear]

Count the years buddy...2009 minus 10 is 1999 trammel was out, so was the stuck feature.
I based my original statement off of yours, sure you may have been wrong about how long ago this happened, but I do not know that. My saying it could have been out longer than that is because I do not remember the exact date they added it, but I am nearly 100% sure it has been out since trammel and trammel was out 10 years ago and that is where your statement was flawed.

It is currently 2009.....Do we agree on that?

Now subtract 10 years from that number.

The year goes to 1999.....do we agree on that?

UOR...."Trammel" came out May 4 2000.

That means Trammel came out 9 years ago and not 10 years ago.

And considering it was an exploit used to enter the Green acres area, it was not legal. The game has always been on a "case to case" basis, what the GMs decide is how it is. They could have just told you not to do it again (honestly I think this is what should have happened) and put a mark on your account just stating if you were in green acres again you were to be banned/jailed/ or whatever punishment they felt was right. But my point was that you were not punished for using the help system, you were punished for being in a place that you were not suppose to be, if it was your fault or not had nothing to do with what my point was.

There was no exploit to get in that place, they opened a moongate and I went in, no exploitation used.

If I remember correctly people would get there by going all the way to the top of T2A and the just using the teleportation spell to get there...no exploitation there either.

But I didn't even know about that place and I had played the game for over a year and had never heard of it.

So how can players know they aren't supposed to be there when the place isn't mentioned in any rules or just not even mentioned at all?

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

It is currently 2009.....Do we agree on that?

Now subtract 10 years from that number.

The year goes to 1999.....do we agree on that?

UOR...."Trammel" came out May 4 2000.

That means Trammel came out 9 years ago and not 10 years ago.


There was no exploit to get in that place, they opened a moongate and I went in, no exploitation used.

If I remember correctly people would get there by going all the way to the top of T2A and the just using the teleportation spell to get there...no exploitation there either.

But I didn't even know about that place and I had played the game for over a year and had never heard of it.

So how can players know they aren't supposed to be there when the place isn't mentioned in any rules or just not even mentioned at all?

Hmm, I will assume you just now researched when trammel came out, and I will just concede the argument about that fact. And exploiting is exploitation of game mechanics, just because you can teleport to an area does not mean you should or are suppose to, I would give a better explanation and examples but it really has nothing to do with my post yet again. And I already said they should have given you a warning to let you know you are not allowed in there, but again not the point of my post. Next time you wish to continue the argument continue it about the fact that you were punished for being somewhere you were not suppose to be, and not for using the help feature, unless your argument is about that nothing else really matters, I do not care that you did not know you shouldn't be there, I do not care how you got there, I also do not care if you think it was an exploit or not. The only thing I care about is that you did not get in trouble for paging, but for being in an area you should not have been in, if you knew or not does not matter as I am not judging the fairness of the GMs only that they punished you for one thing and not the thing you are claiming.

 

[MuffinBear]

Hmm, I will assume you just now researched when trammel came out, and I will just concede the argument about that fact.

I knew Trammel came out in 2000 and not in 1999 like you were saying, the only thing I researched was the exact day it came out (by typing ultima online in google and checking wiki then checking the expansion release dates)

And I already said they should have given you a warning to let you know you are not allowed in there

If they didn't want players there they should of told the players about that place and told them not to go there instead of having dragons wander there to kill players and then put warnings on their accounts when they page for help.

I would give a better explanation and examples but it really has nothing to do with my post yet again

It got derailled when you started saying Trammel and the stuck feature really was around back then and that me and my memories were wrong.

The only thing I care about is that you did not get in trouble for paging, but for being in an area you should not have been in, if you knew or not does not matter as I am not judging the fairness of the GMs only that they punished you for one thing and not the thing you are claiming.

Well I used the page feature since and ended up with a warning on my account.

 

[Omnius]

Like I asked earlier on what shard on you on? I want to see who is doing the luring and also see why they would be paging on you so much for. I still do not believe you are telling the whole story and you are adding stuff to your story to make you more of a victim. I maybe wrong on this but, your story is full of holes.

This has transpired on Drachenfels, a popular farming shard.

 

[Omnius]

If you are begin paged on that much then either you are doing something shady or someone just has it out for you. I would hope they have a good reason to be paging on you that much.
If you are not doing anything illegal, I would email someone of power to look into the person paging on you all the time. I do not know what your a doing to be paged on so much and if they are false paging on you for no reason they should be banned.

I have not said it was all the same player or that it was tons of players. To be honest its limited to roughly 5 players. When I play, I play in long stints. After having had a surgery recently I've had alot of time to play whilst recovering and these same people seem to think that a person farming a lot for several days is cheating but I see them on at all hours farming more than I. My guildies have confirmed these same folks doing the same to them. Most have given up farming tokuno as its just not worth the hassle.

 

[Omnius]

Ok...So that point is the only deviant, I would assume he is doing the same as me tho, minus the pets. Summon 2 evs cast invis. But...I guess I do not know. Assuming he is actually casting other spells It would be interesting, could just be people don't like him tho lol. Oh well no more speculation, I suppose he could just say what he is doing.

I'm casting 2 evs, consistently animating corpses and using 2-3 offensive spells. I'm moving a lot when people lure but otherwise i don't need to move more than a few tiles unless the daemons spawn on the edges or if I keep fizzling evs(as my fleshies don't take more than 2 daemons they don't buy alot of time for me to fizzle a bunch in a row. I invis some times(if the spawn is casting on me when I'm not at a safe amount of mana)

 

[Lord Gareth]

That's actually not indicative of anything. It's child's play to set up the script to react to someone's speech... I used to have a ball chasing Despise scripters around. All you have to do is say "hello" and they'll recall instantly. Script miners in fel do it, too.

I just kill them these days. They are no where near the computer so when they come back to report me its to late. I think its much more fun to kill them and just picture their face that hours and hours were lost of resource gathering. hehehe