That would actually be kind of neat if there was a faction system, that somehow, some way or another, worked together with many classes in the game.There are NO reasons for me as a NON-pvper to join factions.
That would actually be kind of neat if there was a faction system, that somehow, some way or another, worked together with many classes in the game.There are NO reasons for me as a NON-pvper to join factions.
Crafting used to be a big part of Factions (LONG before I ever joined it), and "Blessed Faction Runics" was actually a constant source of complaint, especially from non-Faction PvPers.That would actually be kind of neat if there was a faction system, that somehow, some way or another, worked together with many classes in the game.
I don't necessarily go out of my way to insult people, at least not all the time.If that is true then that's the first non-insult you've ever directed in my direction.
However, I have no good reason to think it's true.
-Galen's player
I dont recall why, but they removed the faction crafting system.Crafting used to be a big part of Factions (LONG before I ever joined it), and "Blessed Faction Runics" was actually a constant source of complaint, especially from non-Faction PvPers.
This was not a case, though, where the team members gave in to the vocal. Rather, it was a case of Blessed Faction Runics not being much of an issue post-Age of Shadows.
-Galen's player
Yeah, that took a huge wrong turn didn't it?Now we get faction items from a vending machine...
Galen all of the pvprs you have listed have spent 99% of their time while in factions either hiding in a house, hiding in a base behind enough bagballs that literally crash your client, or avoiding all good honest pvp alltogether.Closest thing to a member of the "trammel community" is actually me. And I am not the one advancing the argument you're taking issue with.
Your pathetic and ignorant statement reminds me of the time when someone derided some posters for making suggestions for the UO:Cartographer program by saying "stop asking for all of these tram features."
Nothing specifically Trammel or Felucca about that. But the term was used because for that pathetic and ignorant poster, Trammel meant bad and he'd use the term regardless of if his topic had anything at all to do with Trammel or not.
Same with you.
M. Elves is many things but a Trammel player is not one of them. At least not since AoS. As to before then, accounts strongly differ, and frankly I've never given enough of a **** to look into it.
Real Faction players for the most part do appear to define many things by skill loss. "I killed you while I was in stat," for example, or "well of course you killed me, I was still in stat," or "I was silver farming while I worked off stat." The people who do not understand are Felucca players join Factions to have an excuse to fight and to have quick and easy access to items better than those which everyone else had to work very hard for.
Trammel's got nothing to do with it. Never has.
-Galen's player
I listed one by name. If you feel that way about him, take it up with him, not me. I really do not give a **** what you all think of each other, though the way you all go off on each other in Global Chat you seemingly think we all should give a **** what you think of each other.Galen all of the pvprs you have listed have spent 99% of their time while in factions either hiding in a house, hiding in a base behind enough bagballs that literally crash your client, or avoiding all good honest pvp alltogether.
As I've stated repeatedly, I've given up on PvP for reasons that have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the actual fighting.I can not honestly say in the last year of seeing you particularly in fel at all.
As an rper I'm all about bringing peace and virtue to Felucca and am happy when there is no war but people join factions for many reasons and even most non pvp types are not happy when there is peace.I don't necessarily go out of my way to insult people, at least not all the time.
I don't recall if I was in GF, but rather the alliance in another guild. Whatever guild it was at the time I don't remember.
The problem is at the time they were recruiting anyone and everyone and no one else really wanted to fight against 50 people vs a few good or bad.
It wasn't really fun for anybody, so I left and joind Minax. I think at the time it was Bo Hunter's guild.
Either way it doesn't matter, just trying to recall history.
Aren't Galen, Budman and Ber all on the same side of the arguement that stat loss should NOT be removed while M.Elves champions removing it?As tram goes lets look at all the tram "improvements" that no one does.
Now lets look at all the fel "improvements" that have literally drove the players away.
I think you and your friends have a pretty piss poor view of what the populus wants, and instead of actually polling them to find out, your going to complain your way to victory right?
You don't have to pvp to play in factions. I never pvped or raided I left that up to the ones who knew what they were doing. I stucked to what I knew like tracking, guarding, laying fields,and healing when others needed it. So yes there is reasons to be in factions as a NON PvPer.There are NO reasons for me as a NON-pvper to join factions.
I know you arent talking to me. If so see me on ATL On PK Action Barbie or LS on Cannibal C H E F.I think i have been more than understanding at this point and now they have gotten rude, so I believe its time for me to be rude back.
I rather enjoy these 2 nonexistent pvprs trying to change the system they really dont understand so they can further destroy it, and we can laugh at Mythic
for listening to two more people who they shouldnt have.
Artifacts mean nothing in factions anymore, NOTHING, is it that hard to understand? No one is going to waste time getting them, the only place they do is
the only place that matters for them too SEIGE.
Factions for everyone? This will never happen, and it shouldnt, this is a clear case of you thinking you belong everywhere when you clearly dont.
All the pvprs i know in factions are IN FOR THE STAT. ITS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR JOINING.
It is looked down upon from their shadowed perspective to play pvp without having the risk of going in stat.
Is this right? perhaps not. But changing things because your afraid to play sure as hell ISNT the right answer.
This delusion of the trammel community to take over things they dont understand because of lack of honest participation is sickening.
Please run a poll so we can put this issue to rest and i can further laugh at all of you.
BTW on a side note anyone that makes an excuse to back out of a fight when they say they are all about the pvp is a honest sign of hypocrisy.
I will gladly kill all here, and i hope to bump into all of you so i can do just that.
Before AOS I played the 2 chars I just listed both as PK's, DarkTower in a guild you might remember The Cabal [TC] among othersM. Elves is many things but a Trammel player is not one of them. At least not since AoS. As to before then, accounts strongly differ, and frankly I've never given enough of a **** to look into it.
-Galen's player
That is a pvper. Theres players that fill roles in pvp too. So dont count yourself out. There needs to be more people like you who will play that teamship role. I used to at one time and it made me a better pvper eventually. And now, there arent too many mages out there that will kill me 1v1.You don't have to pvp to play in factions. I never pvped or raided I left that up to the ones who knew what they were doing. I stucked to what I knew like tracking, guarding, laying fields,and healing when others needed it. So yes there is reasons to be in factions as a NON PvPer.
So those names... Did you buy that account or throw a couple of boxes of scrabble letters in the air?I know you arent talking to me. If so see me on ATL On PK Action Barbie or LS on Cannibal C H E F.
Your symbiotic relationship is still with the pvprs, with no pvprs you still have nothing to do, except what steal sigs?You don't have to pvp to play in factions. I never pvped or raided I left that up to the ones who knew what they were doing. I stucked to what I knew like tracking, guarding, laying fields,and healing when others needed it. So yes there is reasons to be in factions as a NON PvPer.
I believe Lady Michelle ran the tram side guild for G^F in addition to her faction support. She also did things outside of the actually fighting to help TB, PVM faction monsters to make silver, make traps, potions, etc. (in the current system the silver made could help outfit faction members with needed equiptment crimsons, orny's, stormgrips, etc).Your symbiotic relationship is still with the pvprs, with no pvprs you still have nothing to do, except what steal sigs?
I post this in the faction thread but since this is really where its being talked about I figured I'd repost it here....Some good ideas here but controlling towns can give other rewards. Stat is the main reason why people do not join factions. It has to go.
Ive been against taking stat from factions for years and have always supported it. Not anymore. I truly see how it holds people back from pvping.
The Chaos / Order system sucked. If I recall, you had to be in a guild in order to join and have a karma requirement. You had to walk up to an NPC guard and get a shield and run around with it in which you could not cast spells at first.Factions was loosing ground way before those bases were on the drawing board.... oh about 3 dev teams ago....
Mesanna has said they are looing into putting back the Good vs Evil system in its place which was just fine before Factions was even a wisper...
I wont go into why Factions is dying out..... as I really dont know if its the same reason on every shard. I only listen to my friends talk of whats wrong and that they are getting bord with it and tired of how its going.
I can understand their fustration.
Not exactly, Order required positive karma initially because it was the Virtue Guard and its knights represented Lord British's virtues (honor,compassion, etc). Chaos had no karma requirement. I remember having to become admirable before joining. Order/Chaos Shields were created as the original spell channeling item (before the property existed) so you could cast with them equipted (I am pretty sure that was removed in beta or very early in UO's release and they just auto unequipted if you cast wearing one like everything else).The Chaos / Order system sucked. If I recall, you had to be in a guild in order to join and have a karma requirement. You had to walk up to an NPC guard and get a shield and run around with it in which you could not cast spells at first.
It's been a long time, but for some reason when I started playing and tried to initially join the Order system, I think the title requirement at the time was Lord. Though I think this changed, you obtained the shields through the NPC guards. I was only in the system briefly because I had no clue what I was doing and spent a majority of the time being dead.Not exactly, Order required positive karma initially because it was the Virtue Guard and its knights represented Lord British's virtues (honor,compassion, etc). Chaos had no karma requirement. I remember having to become admirable before joining. Order/Chaos Shields were created as the original spell channeling item (before the property existed) so you could cast with them equipted (I am pretty sure that was removed in beta or very early in UO's release and they just auto unequipted if you cast wearing one like everything else).
Order/Chaos shields could not be crafted (can they now?) and did not spawn as loot so the only way to have one was being in Order/Chaos. They eventually made it so they could not be worn or traded by anyone outside the system (poof).
It was a guild system so yes you had to join a guild, or create one. If you had a home in those days you were very lucky but people could place guildstone on ships as a alternative. [I lived out of a small wooden house with a friend named Redrick and there were a few other small homes located in the area we called orc valley - my neighbors were Mirianna, Henry, Culladen and Brandon all of whom I lost contact after Ren.]
The real hardship with Order/Chaos was being attackable anytime, any place... I'd have to be really careful when banking or getting things repairs at the forges in town. Resing at the town healer was not a good plan and there were no wandering healers. So walking your way to a shrine or waiting a long time to res were your options. Eventually all my repairs were done by my neighbor Henry who made a chest and he had a key. He would visit my house, take my worn items, repair them and fill orders in a book I left in the chest. I'd gather resources when hunting and protect him and a few others when they were mining for ore.
Obviously the game changed since then and griefing became less of an issue but it remained the main reason why people didn't participate or quite: dying while banking, shopping vendors, attending events, town res killed or simply being afk tram killed in your house made it hard to keep people in Order. I spend most of my time training people in my Order how to avoid being griefed as figting and dying in a battle was never really the issue (that's what people wanted). Each town had a rally point where other members could recall, we banked in secure locations (not often used and hard to get too), used the Nujelm gate as our gate access point (the gate doesn't actually exist on the Origin shard so I constantly hit my gate rune in book to find myself standing next to a pile of stand with no gate).
I evetually ran multuple stones bounced between my Order and TB stone depending where I was needed but I always advocated merging Order/Chaos into factions. Chaos would be at war with all factions, they had no base and could steal sigils and return them to towns back to prevent anyone from controlling a them (anarchy) while Order would be allied to TB and at war with the other three factions and Chaos. Order Chaos would then continue there philosophic battle into Tram and other facets and factions would remain confined to Felucca as they both had always been.
I am writing some new Order/Choas Faction related Fiction and with Blackthorn as King, it definitely changes things as it wouldn't make any sense to have the Chaos Guard fight against Britannia.... but Order which might work to overthrow Blackthorn might suddenly be at odds with TB... I've been patiently waiting for some fiction on how Blackthorn is running things to guide me but I think I'll just start writing with what has been given and adjust as more info becomes available.
I dunno There was never a time that I was at the base guarding that there was no pvpers or someone on call if we needed them. I started a theif 2 years ago got bored with it and char sits there so no sig stealing for me.Your symbiotic relationship is still with the pvprs, with no pvprs you still have nothing to do, except what steal sigs?
OMG!!! like I would forget you commanding lord of TB who put Ara in charge of being commanding lord while he had other real life things to tend to.I believe Lady Michelle ran the tram side guild for G^F in addition to her faction support. She also did things outside of the actually fighting to help TB, PVM faction monsters to make silver, make traps, potions, etc. (in the current system the silver made could help outfit faction members with needed equiptment crimsons, orny's, stormgrips, etc).
Many hardcore pvpers might laugh at some of the gear I am mentioning but when you train and bring in new pvpers from tram, these items are a signifgant upgrades to some of the items they were using.... You can not imagine how many tram based swordsman that showed up at the Castle to defend and said something along the lines of "Check this bad boy out" and flashed me their soulseeker
Lady Michelle may not even remember who I am sa its been years but I put a great deal of emphasis in remembering the critical support players in the faction that don't always get the glory they deserve. Its important they understand how important they are, and they feel valued and appreciated for the time and effort they put in, both on and off the battlefield.
-Lore's Player
You believe this is relevant 3 years later why?hello, okay so 3 years ago, (or so) there was talk of a redoing factions, they had 4 new faction names, and created a test faction shard, where there were incredible elaborate, faction bases, with elevators, secret entrances, amazing features. It appeared to be something amazing in the works... and it just kinda faded into memory? not even sure if anyone else remembers.
either way
Does anyone else remember this? if you heard any notice about them retracting the idea?? because it just seems like something that was swept under the rug. i know it wasnt a solid decision to change everything, but with as much effort as what was put into the bases, i thought they would atleast had been given more consideration.
i know we have a new com base, and its NOTHING compared to those bases that i know you have
I beg to differ... I do not lurk... I stealth!*sneaks in and waves* Hiya Galen, Bere, Chelle, Lore and I know Tinkz is lurking!!!!
LOL, I stand corrected!I beg to differ... I do not lurk... I stealth!