L
Longest Journey
Guest
Given either the bias or ineptitude of the previous classic server polls, heres one that makes sense.
Funny....Except you left out the Age of Shadows
Maybe we should have a poll to decide which classic server poll's the best
Maybe we should have a poll to decide which classic server poll's the best
Maybe we should have a poll to decide which classic server poll's the best
ROFL yes! DO this.Maybe we should have a poll to decide which classic server poll's the best
You can't ask for a Classic Shard and include Trammel.Given either the bias or ineptitude of the previous classic server polls, heres one that makes sense.
The same would technically go for anyone that disagrees with your ideas of what a Classic Shard should be.Miss Echo you don't have to play.
I don't think it is any of your business what the devs do.The same would technically go for anyone that disagrees with your ideas of what a Classic Shard should be.Miss Echo you don't have to play.
A poll needs to take all opinions into account, if it's going to attamept to be representative. So discounting the views of people who don't want one would create an unrepresentative cross-section, ultimately ignoring the fact that some mightn't want one.
If the Classic Shard ended up with Trammel, you wouldn't like it, but "you don't have to play".
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it would be wasting resources on entertaining the nostalgia of old players, and the curiosity of current ones.
There's no solid evidence that a subscription-based classic shard would have lasting appeal in the current MMO climate, and some pretty persuasive evidence that niche rulesets aren't exactly popular.
So, yeah, it's an interesting idea. But, I'd rather the devs put 10 minutes into some interesting content that I mightn't ever see, than the weeks that would go into the flash-in-the-pan Classic Shard.
Disagreeing with a Classic Shard at all is hardly different than disagreeing with the era people are proposing, ultimately.
No point.T2A was my favorite....but I don't see this ever happening without Tram coming along with it, so I voted for that. I truly believe if this happened, EA would make money from it.
- And you said, "As far as wasting resources, don't make me laugh."I don't think it is any of your business what the devs do.The same would technically go for anyone that disagrees with your ideas of what a Classic Shard should be.Miss Echo you don't have to play.
A poll needs to take all opinions into account, if it's going to attamept to be representative. So discounting the views of people who don't want one would create an unrepresentative cross-section, ultimately ignoring the fact that some mightn't want one.
If the Classic Shard ended up with Trammel, you wouldn't like it, but "you don't have to play".
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it would be wasting resources on entertaining the nostalgia of old players, and the curiosity of current ones.
There's no solid evidence that a subscription-based classic shard would have lasting appeal in the current MMO climate, and some pretty persuasive evidence that niche rulesets aren't exactly popular.
So, yeah, it's an interesting idea. But, I'd rather the devs put 10 minutes into some interesting content that I mightn't ever see, than the weeks that would go into the flash-in-the-pan Classic Shard.
Disagreeing with a Classic Shard at all is hardly different than disagreeing with the era people are proposing, ultimately.
As far as wasting resources, don't make me laugh.
I also play on a free shard that is maintained by one person in their spare time.
As far as this idea goes I say stay out of it since it doesn't affect you.
I don't spam the boards like the rest of you here everytime I don't like a idea.
This game has nothing but wasted resources on stupid things like stuffies and such holiday crap.
Some people would like the game to have a working economy and some excitement again.
Remember that this game was played adults who were looking for adventure, not just some bored people that like decorating and bank sitting.
- Oops, your shallow threats and misconceptions have made me laugh, again.As far as this idea goes I say stay out of it since it doesn't affect you.
You're just a Drama Queen aren't you.- And you said, "As far as wasting resources, don't make me laugh."
Please *pause for the uber dramas*, I've laughed too much already
- Oops, your shallow threats and misconceptions have made me laugh, again.
- Please do not try to bully; for the reality is.. more realistic
So pls 4 2 njoy 2 ! happy yay![]()
- I hope the originator of this question might consider his own statements.Do you enjoy making stupid posts?
Give me a break.You can call them facts all you want, but it doesn't change what they are - opinions and relative observations.
So, a freeshard is run by one person.
That one person is accountable to the players, which counts for little.
The EA devs are accountable to paying customers, and a whole lot of other people, up to stockholders. They can't just say "Oh well" if they screw something up.
So, basically, there's a world of difference between EA running a classic shard, and a freeshard.
Far from paranoia, belief that a classic shard won't impact development elsewhere is plain delusion.
Lastly, all this crap about "played by adults" and "UO lite"... You could at least try to look like you're not trolling.
EA isn't exactly known for being nice about giving developers time.Give me a break.
EA has paying customers....lol
I see quite clearly the product they put out.
Let's take KR for an example.
They dropped it and replaced it with the EC.
EC was worked on for like 2 years and this is the best they can come up with?
It has more bugs than KR and runs worse in a lot cases; even with graphics turned way down.
I actually play other Shards not only EA's so please don't tell me what it is like or not,unless you do the same.
I am not trolling this debate, but supporting alternate playing styles while you only support this game as is.... A dysfunctional item based game with no future, that has to have new pixels monthly or the player base on Stratics has a fit.
And Aes Sedai, please don't talk down to people; you sound a lot like Fayled Dreams when you do that.
ps. I didn't start this thread, while the other thread was ridiculous judging by other comments.
I was going to pretend I didn't see any of your answers coming, but I went to sleep secure in the knowledge that santa would come.Give me a break.
EA has paying customers....lol
I see quite clearly the product they put out.
Let's take KR for an example.
They dropped it and replaced it with the EC.
EC was worked on for like 2 years and this is the best they can come up with?
It has more bugs than KR and runs worse in a lot cases; even with graphics turned way down.
I actually play other Shards not only EA's so please don't tell me what it is like or not,unless you do the same.
I am not trolling this debate, but supporting alternate playing styles while you only support this game as is.... A dysfunctional item based game with no future, that has to have new pixels monthly or the player base on Stratics has a fit.
The polls do not apply to those who do not wish to play a classic server. If you have no interest in it, dont bother even looking at the thread.Without the option of
"I do NOT want a classic shard"
then NONE of the polls have been accurate.
That is the only option I would vote for.
So, you made your poll biased in favour of classic shard.The polls do not apply to those who do not wish to play a classic server. If you have no interest in it, dont bother even looking at the thread.
Do you actually read the posts and the "polls"?So, you made your poll biased in favour of classic shard.The polls do not apply to those who do not wish to play a classic server. If you have no interest in it, dont bother even looking at the thread.
Bring on the fourth poll!
| These are jokes. You see, they aren't really true.Do you actually read the posts and the "polls"?
He didn't make a biased poll.
The poll actually asks which era of Classic do you prefer.
But you seem to be more concerned with making smart ass comments then actually giving good intel.
So, you made your poll biased in favour of classic shard.
Bring on the fourth poll!
The polls arent made for the opinions of those who dont want a classic server. Thats why there is no option for "I dont want a classic server". A classic server isnt being made for those players, therefore, their views are moot to the discussion. If you dont want a classic server and have no intention on playing one, why would you even bother with the discussion in the first place?The same would technically go for anyone that disagrees with your ideas of what a Classic Shard should be.
A poll needs to take all opinions into account, if it's going to attamept to be representative. So discounting the views of people who don't want one would create an unrepresentative cross-section, ultimately ignoring the fact that some mightn't want one.
If the Classic Shard ended up with Trammel, you wouldn't like it, but "you don't have to play".
It would only be a waste of resources if the classic server(s) would somehow end up causing players to quit from the current player base. Since that is not a risk, no time would be wasted.Personally, I'm of the opinion that it would be wasting resources on entertaining the nostalgia of old players, and the curiosity of current ones.
You must first provide an example of a niche game that has been properly put together.There's no solid evidence that a subscription-based classic shard would have lasting appeal in the current MMO climate, and some pretty persuasive evidence that niche rulesets aren't exactly popular.
So, youd rather them waste time on ideas that will never come to fruition rather than take a shot on a no risk venture such as a classic server? I find your view disappointing and sad.So, yeah, it's an interesting idea. But, I'd rather the devs put 10 minutes into some interesting content that I mightn't ever see, than the weeks that would go into the flash-in-the-pan Classic Shard.
The two are different.Disagreeing with a Classic Shard at all is hardly different than disagreeing with the era people are proposing, ultimately.
My answer: Polls are stupid.
Your attitude and comment are both ignorant and counter productive. If you have nothing of relevance to say, please do no polute the poll with your negativity and overall beligerance.So, you made your poll biased in favour of classic shard.
Bring on the fourth poll!
Le sigh.The polls arent made for the opinions of those who dont want a classic server. Thats why there is no option for "I dont want a classic server". A classic server isnt being made for those players, therefore, their views are moot to the discussion. If you dont want a classic server and have no intention on playing one, why would you even bother with the discussion in the first place?
Another reason I made this poll is that many anti-classic server advocates keep saying that there can be no majority consensus amongst pro-classic server advocates on what era the classic server(s) should take place in. Seeing as how a classic server is beind made for those who are truly interested in a classic server, a poll with options such as this would give the best representation without the added confustion of the OP's personal tastes, as was demonstrated in the classic server poll listed in the link below:
New Classic Server Poll
The poll I made is based purely on what eras were available before the massive game changes that came with AOS. No hybrid servers, no mixing of eras.
It would only be a waste of resources if the classic server(s) would somehow end up causing players to quit from the current player base. Since that is not a risk, no time would be wasted.
If the server succeeds, then the game will gain more subscriptions and UO will be the better for it.
If the server fails, then nothing is truly lost as the post AOS servers will still be there for pre-existing playerbase to continue with and things will stay they way they have been for the past 8 years.
You must first provide an example of a niche game that has been properly put together.
Darkfail is not a good example. The game was released not even a quarter of the way finished and had little to do other than fight with other players. The PvM was and still is horribly incomplete, the crafting was and still is shoddily done, they offered little to no content outside of PvPing, and they are going through new developers for Darkfall like paper cups at a water cooler. It was made by a horribly inexperienced company with no true grasp on MMOs. Darkfall would have failed even if it followed the mainstream WoW model due to shear developer incompetance.
So, youd rather them waste time on ideas that will never come to fruition rather than take a shot on a no risk venture such as a classic server? I find your view disappointing and sad.
For them to spend the companies time and money "theorizing" on content shows a lack of confidence on the developers part. It would be a sign of not only skill, but belief in their talents and game if they were to take a shot with classic servers.
The two are different.
Debating whether or they should make a classic server is pointless, because its a no risk venture with its worst case scenario being things stay the same as they have been
Debating on what era a classic server should take place in lays to rest the accusations that there can be no majority consensus on the most desired era.
And, by looking at this poll, its clear that a consensus can be reached among those who desire a classic server.
Those were entirely different games that had to be built from the ground up. A classic server would not require the amount of time or money as a whole new game would.Le sigh.
Cal mentioned the idea came up, not that they were actually going to do it. You assume they are, many things have been mentioned and not happened, UO2, UOX.
The majority of the playerbase arent even playing in reality. Most of them are asian gold farmer accounts. Those who are left never even played before AOS, so they dont really know what a classic server would be about.What you don't understand is your poll is somewhat biased. Without any "I don't want a classic server" it implies that, unless the devs take the time to read posts within it, the majority want it, while that is not the case.
For several reasons:And as I've stated before, why want a classic shard you pay for when there are already free options? What do you think and EA branded version will accomplish? Not more people, maybe in the short term, but after the "Ooo shiney" people who don't like it will leave. Why have Dev time wasted in the pursuit of something you can already attain through a download and a google search?
See post #32 above.Your attitude and comment are both ignorant and counter productive. If you have nothing of relevance to say, please do no polute the poll with your negativity and overall beligerance.So, you made your poll biased in favour of classic shard.
Bring on the fourth poll!
This poll is for those who want and have an active interest in a classic shard and was made to show a consensus could be reached among those who desire one as to what era the shard should take place in. If you have no interest in a classic server, you have no point in posting in this thread.
With you, your interests seem to be nothing more than antagonistic cheap shots and trolling.
The point is, it will take some time, they either remove all the patches "You" don't want, or build it from scratch. These aren't the same devs who originally built the game "you" want so it may take even more time for that.Those were entirely different games that had to be built from the ground up. A classic server would not require the amount of time or money as a whole new game would.
WTF? Who the hell mentioned asian gold farmers? And who said they were apart of the player base? This has nothing to do with anything unless you think everyone who votes no is an asian gold farmer which implies that you probably shouldn't even be posting on stratics in the first place.The majority of the playerbase arent even playing in reality. Most of them are asian gold farmer accounts. Those who are left never even played before AOS, so they dont really know what a classic server would be about.
This is your third point...Secondly, classic servers have been what old players have been begging for since Trammel was released. If you'll recall, UO had a great many players back then. If they were to make a classic server and manage to bring back even a moderate number of those players, it would mean more subs for the game, which in the long run is good for everyone.
Have you ever even played a freeshard? I've never had laggy or unreliable servers when I did play them while back. Apparently you played one or two and assumed everyone of them was like this. Or just paranoia judging by #1...For several reasons:
#1.) Free shards are not secure. They are hacker traps for them to get into your account and computer.
#2.) Free shards are innacurate. They provide the experience the person who made the shard wanted and often include elements from AOS.
#3.) They are poorly ran and maintained. They are run by one or two people who do server maintainence during their free time. This leaves the servers laggy and unreliable.
#4.) Those servers are dens of nepotism. The ones who run the servers pull strings for their friends and they ban anyone who they just dont like, or just for kicks.
They're free, doesn't mean they'll come back if you can get a "better" experience by paying. People could also play them because.Those are just a few examples of why free servers dont work. The only reason that anyone plays them is out of desperation for some of the old UO experience, even if it is altered. With EA production servers, there is atleast a chance of the classic servers coming out accurate.
Now, if players are desperate enough to play those half baked free shards, then they would be more than willing to come back to a properly put together production server.
You're half right... It is a lack of confidence, but not in the way you imply.For them to spend the companies time and money "theorizing" on content shows a lack of confidence on the developers part. It would be a sign of not only skill, but belief in their talents and game if they were to take a shot with classic servers.
Dedicating a load of resources to something a even the people who want it can't agree on isn't even remotely risky, is it?Debating whether or they should make a classic server is pointless, because its a no risk venture with its worst case scenario being things stay the same as they have been
You said please, which gives you a little credit, but calling comments that don't agree with you ignorant just lost you that.Your attitude and comment are both ignorant and counter productive. If you have nothing of relevance to say, please do no polute the poll with your negativity and overall beligerance.
...
With you, your interests seem to be nothing more than antagonistic cheap shots and trolling.
I did, as it happens.Do you actually read the posts and the "polls"?
Pots are black, too.But you seem to be more concerned with making smart ass comments then actually giving good intel.
Firstly, your thread was titled "The Accurate Classic Server Poll". It was not titled "IF YOU WANT TO PLAY a classic shard then this is the Accurate Classic Server Poll"The polls do not apply to those who do not wish to play a classic server. If you have no interest in it, dont bother even looking at the thread.
your poll includes just as much bias and inteptitude you accuse others of.Given either the bias or ineptitude of the previous classic server polls, heres one that makes sense.
The fact that NONE of the polls on this issue contain the above option makes them all inaccurate, you are correct, this one is no more 'unbiased or accurate' than the other two.I really don't see what makes this poll so unbiased when compared to the other ones...the options are practically the same.
Judging by all the mumbo jumbo you just wrote, I would have to say that you were a lawyer.Firstly, your thread was titled "The Accurate Classic Server Poll". It was not titled "IF YOU WANT TO PLAY a classic shard then this is the Accurate Classic Server Poll"The polls do not apply to those who do not wish to play a classic server. If you have no interest in it, dont bother even looking at the thread.
However, despite the above
your poll includes just as much bias and inteptitude you accuse others of.Given either the bias or ineptitude of the previous classic server polls, heres one that makes sense.
To create an accurate, reliable and credible poll you need at least ONE selection to be 'OTHER' so people can respond if NONE of your preselected options are suitable for them.
I notice that you did NOT include this option, therefore bias is instantly introduced as your expectation of what constitutes a 'classic shard' is based on your predefined selections and makes no allowance for alternate options to what answers you believe are 'correct'.
By not having this option in a poll then you end up with either:
Non-Responsive Bias: where people fail to poll as there is no option that suits them. (In my case, no ones version of a 'classic shard' would be something I would play, therefore the answer to your POLL question - "Which Era would you like a classic server(s) to take place in?" would be NONE. However it could just as easily be some 'other' option of what is determined to be 'classic' that is not listed in your poll. There could be a LOT of players who think that 'classic' is anything prior to the introduction of Elves in ML or for that matter prior to the intro of 'gargoyles' with SA.)
This then creates the situation where the poll results are not a true representation of the 'target' population ie UO players who read Stratics. Thus you create a Coverage Bias, where a percentage of the population are totally excluded due to lack of a basic poll option.
or
Responsive Bias: where people respond by selecting the 'next best' option to what they would actually prefer, so in other words respondents do not reflect their true beliefs.
In both cases the poll is then inaccurate.
The fact that NONE of the polls on this issue contain the above option makes them all inaccurate, you are correct, this one is no more 'unbiased or accurate' than the other two.I really don't see what makes this poll so unbiased when compared to the other ones...the options are practically the same.
To the OP, if you are going to belittle others by calling their efforts at poll creation bias and/or inept while claiming you have the only 'accurate' poll then at least try and be accurate in your poll creation.
Firstly, your thread was titled "The Accurate Classic Server Poll". It was not titled "IF YOU WANT TO PLAY a classic shard then this is the Accurate Classic Server Poll"
However, despite the above
your poll includes just as much bias and inteptitude you accuse others of.
To create an accurate, reliable and credible poll you need at least ONE selection to be 'OTHER' so people can respond if NONE of your preselected options are suitable for them.
I notice that you did NOT include this option, therefore bias is instantly introduced as your expectation of what constitutes a 'classic shard' is based on your predefined selections and makes no allowance for alternate options to what answers you believe are 'correct'.
By not having this option in a poll then you end up with either:
Non-Responsive Bias: where people fail to poll as there is no option that suits them. (In my case, no ones version of a 'classic shard' would be something I would play, therefore the answer to your POLL question - "Which Era would you like a classic server(s) to take place in?" would be NONE. However it could just as easily be some 'other' option of what is determined to be 'classic' that is not listed in your poll. There could be a LOT of players who think that 'classic' is anything prior to the introduction of Elves in ML or for that matter prior to the intro of 'gargoyles' with SA.)
This then creates the situation where the poll results are not a true representation of the 'target' population ie UO players who read Stratics. Thus you create a Coverage Bias, where a percentage of the population are totally excluded due to lack of a basic poll option.
or
Responsive Bias: where people respond by selecting the 'next best' option to what they would actually prefer, so in other words respondents do not reflect their true beliefs.
In both cases the poll is then inaccurate.
The fact that NONE of the polls on this issue contain the above option makes them all inaccurate, you are correct, this one is no more 'unbiased or accurate' than the other two.
To the OP, if you are going to belittle others by calling their efforts at poll creation bias and/or inept while claiming you have the only 'accurate' poll then at least try and be accurate in your poll creation.
It will take far less time than you think. All they need to do is get their hands on a copy of the old server codes (which cant be all that hard if people who run free shards can get it), clean it up, apply necessary patches and fixes to the major bugs and glitches, which was done for them a long time ago. They just need to repeat what the original developers did to fix them. Bascially, the HARD work is done for them, all they need to do is copy and paste.The point is, it will take some time, they either remove all the patches "You" don't want, or build it from scratch. These aren't the same devs who originally built the game "you" want so it may take even more time for that.
You mentioned the majority of the UO playerbase. Remember?WTF? Who the hell mentioned asian gold farmers? And who said they were apart of the player base? This has nothing to do with anything unless you think everyone who votes no is an asian gold farmer which implies that you probably shouldn't even be posting on stratics in the first place.
What youre saying here is that the majority of the UO playerbase doesnt want a classic server.What you don't understand is your poll is somewhat biased. Without any "I don't want a classic server" it implies that, unless the devs take the time to read posts within it, the majority want it, while that is not the case.
You seem to forget, people have already played the "New" content with the AOS servers. Guess what? They quit because of it.This is your third point...
Yeah... until people realize why the "classic" had to go in the first place or the nastalgia runs off. That's if people want to pay a min of 120 a year to play a 12 year old game they have fond memories of that wont get new content. IF a classic shard gets new content, guess what? It's no longer a classic shard.
As a matter of fact, I did play free shards, several of them. It was either the sickening level of nepotism that drove me away, the lag, or the fact that my previous computer picked up a particularly nasty trojan virus when I downloaded the client for a free shard and it completely wrecked my hard drive.Have you ever even played a freeshard? I've never had laggy or unreliable servers when I did play them while back. Apparently you played one or two and assumed everyone of them was like this. Or just paranoia judging by #1...
They're free, doesn't mean they'll come back if you can get a "better" experience by paying. People could also play them because.
They're free.
They like the community.
They bring back fond memories.
And they're free.
See what I did there?
This is incorrect. It's been stated several times that the Asian shards do not make up the majority of the UO subs. I believe once it was stated at somewhere around 25%, which would hardly be 70k accounts.My point was: What playerbase? Your 70,000 asian server accounts? Thats where the gold farmers come into play.
I think what you dont understand by saying this is that a Classic shard wont really be directed at the people who are currently playing UO and voting "I dont want/care for a classic shard" A classic shards goal will be to bring back all the players that quit saying "This game has become a joke, I miss real uo" THAT is who this classic shard will be aimed at.What you don't understand is your poll is somewhat biased. Without any "I don't want a classic server" it implies that, unless the devs take the time to read posts within it, the majority want it, while that is not the case.