The +20 Skill Cap should be given to everyone.

[Tanivar]

Newbie starting out - 700/720= 0.972 for a 2.777% disadvantage

Player after 1 year - 705/720= 0.979 for a 2.083% disadvantage

Player after 2 years - 710/720= 0.986 for a 1.388% disadvantage

Player after 3 years - 715/720= 0.993 for a 0.694% disadvantage

If having 2.777% less skill points has a beginner is a showstopper for you, then get an imbued bracelet and ring with 104 additional skill points on them and make it (804/824= 0.975) only 2.427%.

Sheesh, this is a whining over nearly nothing thread...

 

[olduofan]

here is a factor in all this these new players are NOT asking for items gold only to have the ability to compete equally and those that say its a reward for "paying" for 4 years I have been paying on 3 to 5 acc for almost 12 years BECAUSE I like this game should I start saying I deserve a reward? Its a choice not a necessity to pay and play and nobody is saying/or talking about vet-rewards here those are items that DO NOT effect combat. this is why they should never never give any type of vet reward that give an advantage. Yes 20 points does give an advantage maybe not much but look at it this way you could have 100 swords or you could have 120 Ill take the 120 any day over 100 or same 100 mage or 120 mage and now you going to say it doesn't make a difference. like the other poster said ----

"You are stup... Give me my warning or ban I don't care. The fact that you equating these things shows that you are nothing but a greedy selfish a..hole. Increasing the skill cap so that everyone has the ability to get on the same playing field... and you say let's give everyone 3 bil? So black and white?

thats the problem so many feel they are owed things that THEY choose to play and pay its simple dont give an advantage that takes 4 years to get thats just lame.

And just so you all understand I have the +20 on all my acc but I have no problem standing up for those newer players that feel a bit slighted.. (and they are imho)

I could go on for days but you can not rationalize with the greedy power hunger in-compassionate types.. Just take a good look at the mess the world is in its same logic.

 

[olduofan]

Newbie starting out - 700/720= 0.972 for a 2.777% disadvantage

Player after 1 year - 705/720= 0.979 for a 2.083% disadvantage

Player after 2 years - 710/720= 0.986 for a 1.388% disadvantage

Player after 3 years - 715/720= 0.993 for a 0.694% disadvantage

If having 2.777% less skill points has a beginner is a showstopper for you, then get an imbued bracelet and ring with 104 additional skill points on them and make it (804/824= 0.975) only 2.427%.

Sheesh, this is a whining over nearly nothing thread...

that is completely flawed and misleading logic
like i said would you rather have 100 in a main skill or 120?
120 compared to 100 is on a sliding scale which improves combat does it not ? so those 20 points on a tamer mean been able to tame and control the better newer pets if you was 100 you couldn't at 120 you can. so its not just 20 points those points can make a huge difference to newer players depending on their skill set.
and would you rather have more hit points, swing speed, di, hi, mr, etc or have to imbue 20 points in place of those benefits. I dont care how all you here try to down play it if it is not that big of a deal give up your +20 up then... like I said I didn't thing so..

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Newbie starting out - 700/720= 0.972 for a 2.777% disadvantage

Player after 1 year - 705/720= 0.979 for a 2.083% disadvantage

Player after 2 years - 710/720= 0.986 for a 1.388% disadvantage

Player after 3 years - 715/720= 0.993 for a 0.694% disadvantage

If having 2.777% less skill points has a beginner is a showstopper for you, then get an imbued bracelet and ring with 104 additional skill points on them and make it (804/824= 0.975) only 2.427%.

Sheesh, this is a whining over nearly nothing thread...

Thanks for grinding the math Tanivar ...

I'll allow as how Shqiptar might be terminally disadvantaged at that just shy of 3% Wall Of Defeat ...

after all

DNA difference like that ... and he's a chimp ...

BUT !! since we're talking PvP knuckle draggers anyways ...
and the Four year "gap of dispair" SHRINKS YEAR BY YEAR ... (*checks math again*)

Methinks someone is on an immediate gratification sugar high ... SO!

walk it off kid ... you will eventually get over it ...

if you manage to last four years.

*dusts hands*
/simple

yw

 

[Trebr Drab]

that is completely flawed and misleading logic
like i said would you rather have 100 in a main skill or 120?
120 compared to 100 is on a sliding scale which improves combat does it not ? so those 20 points on a tamer mean been able to tame and control the better newer pets if you was 100 you couldn't at 120 you can. so its not just 20 points those points can make a huge difference to newer players depending on their skill set.
and would you rather have more hit points, swing speed, di, hi, mr, etc or have to imbue 20 points in place of those benefits. I dont care how all you here try to down play it if it is not that big of a deal give up your +20 up then... like I said I didn't thing so..

I agree with you, olduofan, and have beat this drum many times in the past. But it's a hopeless battle.

 

[olduofan]

I agree with you, olduofan, and have beat this drum many times in the past. But it's a hopeless battle.

It is amazing how much effort they put into trying to make the have not feel its "not a big deal" . I dont thing nor do I feel they are capable of being honest with them selves so your right its a waste of time "you can't argue with stup!$"

 

[Endrik]

*steps out of the shadows to weigh in*

I think that you guys are missing the point of what makes UO fun. Yes, the 20 skill points gives vets an advantage, so what? Do you really think that giving new players the 20 points up front would be "fair"? If so, I think you have a warped sense of "fair".

All of the fun in UO, as in life, comes from the journey. Remember the first time you killed a troll? Remember the first time you survived a champ spawn raid after being slaughtered the first 100 times. Remember that first 7x7 you placed? Remember killing and skinning cows for weeks to sell the hides for a few hundred k? Remember the area that used to mean certain death that you can now go back to and single handedly clear out? Remember the first time you successfully tamed a dragon, or GM'd a skill, or stole a high level artifact? Remember the first time you killed a red?

All of these events took time. You had to build up to them, and that is what made them fun. I remember counting down the weeks until I hit my UO birthday and got another 5 skill points. The exhileration of planning out what you would do with them, and then finally logging on and being able to use them was AWESOME!

Now, how many of you go out today and spend hours killing cows for gold? How many of us go out and spend hours trying to vanquish a troll or ettin? After playing for years, those things are lame. We have moved on to trying to solo a champ or peerless. We have upgraded to 18x18s, keeps, and in some cases castles. And the journey has been WONDERFUL!

If we all started out with max skills, castles, and billions in gold, there would be nothing to work for. There would be no feeling of triumph or success. We would loose interest and move on. Unfortunately I have seen this happen first hand as I tried to help new players start the game by giving them way more than they needed. I inadvertently robbed them of the satisfaction of that feeling of accomplishment that comes with hard work, and they soon left the game.

Now 20 skill points is an advantage, but it is not a very big one. Especially to us vets. When you consider the real skill and game knowledge that comes from playing UO for 14 years, along with the wealth and time and effort that goes into making the crazy suits we all wear these days... do you really think that giving 20 extra skill points to a new player is going to magically make things "fair"? Please. A 10 year vet with an inferior suit will slaughter a new player with the best items in game and a 50 point skill advantage every time.

No, the only thing giving these 20 points to new players would do is rob them of that long anticipated feeling of excitement that we have all been able to experience when we were "young", and finally reached one year older. In my humble opinion, that would not be fair to the new players.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

that is completely flawed and misleading logic
like i said would you rather have 100 in a main skill or 120?
120 compared to 100 is on a sliding scale which improves combat does it not ? so those 20 points on a tamer mean been able to tame and control the better newer pets if you was 100 you couldn't at 120 you can. so its not just 20 points those points can make a huge difference to newer players depending on their skill set.
and would you rather have more hit points, swing speed, di, hi, mr, etc or have to imbue 20 points in place of those benefits. I dont care how all you here try to down play it if it is not that big of a deal give up your +20 up then... like I said I didn't thing so..

speaking of FLAWED ...
you trying to say that 120 in a skill REALLY makes that much difference?
the 20 Grants sure fire every time predictably better results?

I don't think you have met the UO RNG ...
and where you put those 20 points
OUT OF 700 for a noob >may appear< to matter
but THAT is only to the inexperienced

There There
you'll see

when you keep an account running for four years ...
The TOTAL effect is as the math clearly lays out ...
just need a little maturing ...

that is all ...
well
you weren't one ironically counseling patience during the migration were you?
doesn't matter ... just a thought.

 

[olduofan]

speaking of FLAWED ...
you trying to say that 120 in a skill REALLY makes that much difference?
the 20 Grants sure fire every time predictably better results?

I don't think you have met the UO RNG ...
and where you put those 20 points
OUT OF 700 for a noob >may appear< to matter
but THAT is only to the inexperienced

There There
you'll see

when you keep an account running for four years ...
The TOTAL effect is as the math clearly lays out ...
just need a little maturing ...

that is all ...
well
you weren't one ironically counseling patience during the migration were you?
doesn't matter ... just a thought.

been here since 99 and on that note lets see

I have been paying my cable bill for ill guess 10 plus years I think they "OWE ME A REWARD" wait come to think of it I have been paying all my bills. should I ask what rewards I get for paying them so long?

counseling? WOW I dont preach nor do I do counseling I just lay down THE FACTS

the truth hurts like they say when some choose to be narrow minded .

Its true we do live in an age of entitlement I paid my bills so Im entitled to blah blah blah

this game is A choice dont play if you are going to feel ea owes you, they dont owe you anything absolutely nothing at all

I do remember thinking how unfair it was to have to wait 4 years on some of my acc and I still feel it is. And no I do not think it would be fair to make it so a newb noob could ride an ethy, no one here asking for items just a fair and level playing field..

Once again like I said all my acc are much older than 4 years so for me it would not benefit me in any way fair is fair.

ha ya rng what a joke and you talk about inexperienced

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

been here since 99 and on that note lets see

I been paying my cable bill for ill guess 10 plus years I think they "OWE ME A REWARD" wait come to think of it I been paying all my bills I should ask what rewards I get for paying them so long?

counseling? WOW I dont preach nor do I counseling I just lay down THE FACTS

the truth hurts like they say when sum choose to be narrow minded

Its true we do live in an age of entitlement I paid my bills so Im entitlement to blah blah blah

this game is A choice dont play if you are going to feel ea owes you, they dont owe you nothing absolutely nothing at all

I do remember thinking how unfair it was to have to wait 4 years on some of my acc and I still feel it is. And no I do not think it would be fair to make it so a newb noob could ride an ethy, no one here asking for items just a fair and level playing field..

Once again like I said all my acc are much older than 4 years so for me it would not benefit me in any way fair is fair.

ha ya rng what a joke and you talk about inexperienced

... oh I get it now ...

drunk post.

 

[Muck]

It puts new players at a disadvantage and the skill cap should be increased to 720 for everyone. Waiting four years is ridiculous.

Why just not simply buy a vet account from an auction site, or a webpage that sells uo stuff.

And what would be your next step? Equal items for anyone, because you coulnt afford them? (What others have been long faught for)

Shouldnt the others be rewarded for their loyalty to Ultima Online over the years?

No offensive, but how for how long have you been playing ultima online?
You're in stratics since Aug 2011..

 

[olduofan]

... oh I get it now ...

drunk post.

I dont drink or do drugs but come to think of it maybe if i did I would be past the point of logic that some of these post would make sense then again I doubt it

 

[Petra Fyde]

I'm declaring this thread to be a

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