Thank you devs for killing Britain (on Greatlakes)

[Clog|Mordain]

Why don't they bring out the old style NPC quests where you'd hand an NPC some gold and he'd tell you a rumor. "I heard there was a <insert what ever here> somewhere near Despise" You could go there and bash a few monsters and with luck find such an item. If they put that back in with a rare chance of getting some of the really good items like Doom Arties or Tokuno Majors (can always say a monster killed and looted it ) then it might be more possible to draw players back to Trammel and Felucca banks provided that's the only two facets this option was available.

I like this idea aswell..


*screams some more*

 

[Wieland]

So after beeing absent for some time i decide to log in again only to get killed in the Moonglow Inn.
So i cant log in any of my chars because they all would get killed and lose their stuff.
You devs should maybe stop consuming whatever stuff that is before you lose the rest of your subscribers.

 

[Regi the wicked]

Ya know if everyone in this posting were to hang out at the wbb it would be a pretty big crowd. Maybe if people would just start doing more would follow. Take a couple people at a time though, it is pretty boring at first.

 

[eve]

I think Brit finally died after they forgot to turn off the big nasty invasion that lasted about three months. It start dying with Luna, but Brit was really killed with that invasion (don't remember what it was called, if anything.)

Someplace way back in memory it seems i remember the weird prophet from tokuno who now hangs by the big ugly hole in Moonglow stating that the walls of Luna would burn......... Inu, or whatever her name. If she didn't prophecy that, i will always have thought she should have. *shrugs* Personally I dislike luna. the bank is so crowded and the spam so heavy I go there only when i must.

Perhaps if the powers-that-be would take control of some of the property inside luna as it becomes available, they could put in some npc shops inside the walls.......... or, heaven forbid..... tear down the walls of luna!!
minor change but would that ever make a difference -- absolutely!

i am not saying go back to what was... would never work.... and who wants it anyway, we needed the changes that have been made... I am saying attempt to fix the mistakes that were made in the process.

One might also consider having certain functions in certain areas... i.e., only three or four blacksmith shops spread throught the land.... same for carpenter/archers/tinkers. just examples....... oh, yes.. and moved that darned moongate away from the luna bank..........

not grammatically correct and punctuation really is bad, just wrote as thoughts occured to me.

this could be a very productive thread if we just don't feel that it is necessary to put down or ridicule the ideas and thoughts presented.

 

[Karthcove]

Bad development/design decisions, IMHO. I said exactly the same thing in '99 back during the original undead attacks, which took Trinsic (a formerly thriving town with its own community) and completely emptied it with some hamhanded overwrought undead invasion of super-strong undeads that we couldn't get rid of (by any means) for weeks. After that Trinsic never recovered, and never again had a regular community on my shard.

People left most of the Fel cities after the Trinsic invasion because Tram opened up a new housing frontier. At least on Pacific at the time Fel had zero open housing spots and I bet it took less than a day to fill up Trammel once the housing green light came on.

Oh, and I loved the Trinsic War even though I got my butt handed to me numerous times - that "Silver Force Katana" of mine only went so far

 

[Duskofdead]

People left most of the Fel cities after the Trinsic invasion because Tram opened up a new housing frontier. At least on Pacific at the time Fel had zero open housing spots and I bet it took less than a day to fill up Trammel once the housing green light came on.

Oh, and I loved the Trinsic War even though I got my butt handed to me numerous times - that "Silver Force Katana" of mine only went so far

Whether people anecdotally had some fun times at this event or that one is beside the point. The question is was it worth the tradeoff of nearly all the cities being in total disuse now thanks to town attacks which have taken one form or another for the majority of the last decade.

 

[T_Amon_from_work]

Good grief! I'm willing to bet sometime in the past you griped because of no new events, too! I am also willing to bet I know at least 1 shard where Luna has been the hangout for a lot longer than this scenario has been goig!

 

[Duskofdead]

Good grief! I'm willing to bet sometime in the past you griped because of no new events, too! I am also willing to bet I know at least 1 shard where Luna has been the hangout for a lot longer than this scenario has been goig!

1. Events were not the only thing discussed.

2. Nope, I'd rather they do no events than these autopilot ones that just make towns unuseable.

3. I'd trade useable, functional towns and some sort of "oomphing" up of the existing old game world to make it important/used, rather than constantly tacking on new crap to the end which makes everything before obsolete. And I would certainly trade useable, functional towns for poorly implemented town invasion events.

4. Don't get into gambling. You'd lose a lot.

 

[Lord Kynd]

Yeah just wanted to say thanks! Great job! I play on Greatlakes. And people USED to hangout in Britain. But yeah thanks to the invasion, most of em are in Luna, it's not even a city just a building with a shopping mall around it. I'm in Britain, and i had a guy come up to me and ask if anyone even plays this game! So yeah ya know where ya can take your invasion.

i think the invasions are great and should not be stopped. Brit was ok to 'bank sit' for awhile, but now it's spread out more, and even the most crowded .. luna. is kinda small so many don't 'bank sit' and use up server resources and might actually be doing something .
i remember 'bank sitting' in places like Empath Abby(Yew) , Papua, Skera, Moonglow.
but that was before Trammel .

 

[Karthcove]

As I recall people went to the banks to socialize and buy stuff. 20 Nightmares, drags and WWs would be lined and for sale. The forges would always be bustling with traffic with warriors hoping to buy some new armor or have there old stuff repaired. There was even a bounty board available and checked frequently by numerous people to see who the top murderer at the time was.

With items now basically "unbreakable", the introduction of insurance, pet bonding, advanced char tokens, increased uber item/arty drop rates and bags of sending (I'm sure I'll remember other stuff when I hit the submit button) you could accomplish in days what it took us months to do back in the old days. We used to describe epic battles, scream about the power broadsword lost or the plate armor destroyed in 6 hits by a pk macer. Now what the heck is there to socialize about? "I killed a drag in 4 hits?" "Ooo, I did it in two?" - A battle with a dragon used to be something to talk about! Players don't need other players anymore.

Except to consolidate my gold into checks, why again do I need to go to the bank?

 

[Lord Kynd]

do a luna and brit envasion at the same time, end banksitting

 

[Lord Kynd]

As I recall people went to the banks to socialize and buy stuff. 20 Nightmares, drags and WWs would be lined and for sale. The forges would always be bustling with traffic with warriors hoping to buy some new armor or have there old stuff repaired. There was even a bounty board available and checked frequently by numerous people to see who the top murderer at the time was.

With items now basically "unbreakable", the introduction of insurance, pet bonding, advanced char tokens, increased uber item/arty drop rates and bags of sending (I'm sure I'll remember other stuff when I hit the submit button) you could accomplish in days what it took us months to do back in the old days. We used to describe epic battles, scream about the power broadsword lost or the plate armor destroyed in 6 hits by a pk macer. Now what the heck is there to socialize about? "I killed a drag in 4 hits?" "Ooo, I did it in two?" - A battle with a dragon used to be something to talk about! Players don't need other players anymore.

Except to consolidate my gold into checks, why again do I need to go to the bank?

well said.

 

[Divster]

Amen I would trade all my "unbreakable" high end armour, weps and bonded pets to go back to days when crafters were busy around the smithies etc. But that has nothing to do with why brit is now deserted. people complain about no new content and then have the audacity to complain that the new content has forced them to change their plans *shrugs* (btw audacity part was not aimed at anyone just seems silly)

 

[Duskofdead]

Amen I would trade all my "unbreakable" high end armour, weps and bonded pets to go back to days when crafters were busy around the smithies etc. But that has nothing to do with why brit is now deserted. people complain about no new content and then have the audacity to complain that the new content has forced them to change their plans *shrugs* (btw audacity part was not aimed at anyone just seems silly)

I never complained about no new content. MMO's fall into the trap of always catering to the restless minority who always want something new. Nearly every MMO I can think of engages in "tack crap on at the end(game)" which tends to screw up balance or generally mess up the game in the long run as a means of appeasing this crowd. Prob is, no matter how fast you tack on content, it's never fast enough to occupy restless hardcore players who always want to conquer something new or always have the best items available. Those people are tapped out again after a month and then complaining 7 months till the next content patch.

Insisting that people who whined and demanded new content, and people who dislike the effect of town attacks, are one and the same, is straw manning the argument.

Besides, regardless of the explanations offered--- that it's Luna's efficient design, that it's deeds and insurance and other things that made players not need each other--- the explanation is still basically, poorly thought through content that was tacked onto the game to appease people demanding new stuff. I personally think many of the towns would still have at least some communities if not for town attacks. People have triedt og o back and use towns many times. After your 3rd time abandoning a body because you can't get to it and nobody's bothering to kill the spawn in an attacked town, people tend to get aggravated and say screw it, and go someplace safe.

 

[Ken of Napa]

Huh. Hadn't... thought of that.

Best post I've read in a looong time !

:bowdown:

Pssst .........."Draconi, more fire in Luna about that time could be Very Nice!"

 

[Escaflowne]

Another marmite thread, its impossible to please everyone

 

[Braden_of_LS]

Why don't they bring out the old style NPC quests where you'd hand an NPC some gold and he'd tell you a rumor. "I heard there was a <insert what ever here> somewhere near Despise" You could go there and bash a few monsters and with luck find such an item. If they put that back in with a rare chance of getting some of the really good items like Doom Arties or Tokuno Majors (can always say a monster killed and looted it ) then it might be more possible to draw players back to Trammel and Felucca banks provided that's the only two facets this option was available.

I remember that type of quest. Those were fun.

 

[Lady Lava]

I kinda fancy the change to Luna and I am a Great Lakes player.
80% of my business is done in Luna and would be regardless if it is or is not as popular as Brit.
The change is just part of the GL history and it will continue to change as it always has, just like the real world.

 

[Cryltaur]

Put player housing in all the other cities like it is in Luna. That'll spread some things out, and build individual city communities at the same time. Isn't that what a city is, a collection of citizens?

 

[Warpig Inc]

There should of been a gate in front of brit gates. But no matter the template I found just a Luna rune made room in runebooks for other locations.

And lets not forget the Imbueding coming about and the crowds that will for at the Queens Soulforge. Be a return to old when plp start trading stuff to be unravel for mods to something they have.

 

[The Home Guild]

My sister moonStar on atl has told me since the invasion noone hangs at brit anymore.. that's pretty sad considering it used to be packed.

 

[Connor_Graham]

but for about everything else, I go to Zento. It's quiet, but beautiful and very convenient.

I don't understand why there aren't more people in Zento. So many people hate Luna, yet there's a great alternative to it that never gets used. Even the vendor houses around the outside of the city are lower priced than anything in Luna, and still just as convenient. You also get to look at more than Percy the Paladin and a bunch of stone walls while you're out browsing vendors. You've got every kind of shop you could want within 2 screens of the bank too, not to mention a HUGE bank area for people to spam things for sale in.

 

[The Home Guild]

I don't understand why there aren't more people in Zento. So many people hate Luna, yet there's a great alternative to it that never gets used. Even the vendor houses around the outside of the city are lower priced than anything in Luna, and still just as convenient. You also get to look at more than Percy the Paladin and a bunch of stone walls while you're out browsing vendors. You've got every kind of shop you could want within 2 screens of the bank too, not to mention a HUGE bank area for people to spam things for sale in.

I agree,when it first came out.. i thought everyone would have loved the idea..Land/music/bank/art

..but it never took off.I'd say it;s much better place then luna.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

It just isn't true that invasions killed the Britain bank. The following reasons are responsible for empty towns:

• Decresing number of active players.
• Increasing number of extpansions (and thus cities).
• Easy means of traveling.

Back in 1999, banks of ALL Britannian cities were pretty occupied and busy. Today, ONLY Luna is (and a New Haven, a little bit). Which proves that the number of players either has decreased, or the players are hiding elsewhere, or both.

 

[The Home Guild]

Pike,atlantic shard brit bank has always been full and busy until the nice invasion became.

 

[Snakeman]

They wouldn't dare have a Luna invasion. All the shop owners would quit etc. And what would we do without their overpriced stuff?

#1 Britt has been dead for years on Napa (the General Invasion that the statue was erected for by the bridge into Britt has Date, went on far too long, many weeks on end)
#2 Luna was invaded on napa for a couple of weeks, walls erected into & out of the city. The monster that walked the shopping area could one hit killed the best (& it walked the whole Luna vendor shops area not just one area). All got by & if I am not mistaken, that went on for 3 weeks.

So before tho speak, know a little of whats gone on in UO for the last 5 yrs before we spout off &

 

[hawkeye_pike]

Pike,atlantic shard brit bank has always been full and busy until the nice invasion became.

Well, first off, Atlantic is the most populated shard. Then, on Catskills it is Luna and New Haven. On Atlantic it may be Britain and Luna. Or whatever.

During the first years of UO, you would meet lots of people in EVERY town.
I posted my thoughts in a new thread, which you can find here:
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=119831

 

[T_Amon_from_work]

The events regarding the invasions were plainly advertised to a) be long-running (as compared to 1-week and done) and b) dependent on Faction dealings in Fel. To find out what places might be under attack, town criers in Jhelom and New Haven (at least) should give some idea.

The OP stated:

And people USED to hangout in Britain. But yeah thanks to the invasion, most of em are in Luna, it's not even a city just a building with a shopping mall around it.

You state:

1. Events were not the only thing discussed.

The quote of the OP is nearly 1/2 oif the entire message. I disagree with this assessment of yours.

Regarding your #2. Auto-pilot for the slimes - agreed. Magincia souls? Sort of because some of the process there requires players to interact, but for the most partr it is auto. Fel Faction action kicks off Tram invasion spawns ... the autopilot part of that is just low-grade AI (IMO) as compared to what it could be. Thus players know what to expect (auto-pilot) instead of getting surprised (really good AI).

3. Usable functional towns ... of 8 Tram towns, no more than 3 can be under attack at a time ... leaving 5 + New Haven + Luna + Umbra + Zento (at least). Plenty of shopping areas that I know of. Disagree with ya here too.

4. I still believe I won ... I know I've won UO! <chuckle>

 

[Draconi]

I know I've won UO! <chuckle>

But do you have a license plate that says it?

 

[Ghost71]

It just isn't true that invasions killed the Britain bank. The following reasons are responsible for empty towns:

• Decresing number of active players.
• Increasing number of extpansions (and thus cities).
• Easy means of traveling.

Back in 1999, banks of ALL Britannian cities were pretty occupied and busy. Today, ONLY Luna is (and a New Haven, a little bit). Which proves that the number of players either has decreased, or the players are hiding elsewhere, or both.

I just talked to this girl who ALWAYS hungout at Britain (EVEN after Luna). I asked her why she was hanging out in Luna. She said because everyone else is, and said she thought everyone else was because of the invasions. Their was just a bunch of people at Britain bank complaining how people are hanging out in Luna because of the invasions. And how it was cool before because on Greatlakes everyone hungout in Britain, and how that was rare compared to the other shards, that most hungout in Luna. And on some shards that they hungout in New Haven.

If your not able to recall into a town that you usally always hungout in. You might just figure screw it i'll go somewhere where i can recall into. Again because of the invasions. I've always hungout in Britain, so i know when people started leaving. There was so many people in Luna one day they were telling people to stand up against the walls. I admit the first time i heard about Luna, and having a HOUSE inside town/guard area sounded cool. Course i didn't know at the time how damn small Luna would be or that it'd just be a big mall.

I've got my house outside Umbra. I guess i should of really said thanks for killing Britain bank on Greatlakes in my first post.

 

[Snakeman]

But do you have a license plate that says it?

muhahahaha (Bet yours says IfireUpUo )

 

[Surgeries]

Huh. Hadn't... thought of that.

Hehehehe...I'll bet...

I am betting you might be...kidding.

Luna Bank NEEDS invaded!!!

Bring Back Brit Bank!!!!

Quad-B for the B Squared!!!

 

[TheGhostRaider]

maybe we can have the forge to give us a bonus when use. This will force player to get to town to make or repair their stuff. The town NPC/show can be use to give you an edge on not losing durability or making exceptional stuff. Not sure what we can do for player to start using other bank to meet. Still most of the reason the hit the bank is to drop or withdraw money.

 

[T_Amon_from_work]

No, but I can hum a few bars of the theme song! <cue "Hail To The Chief">

 

[gjohnson5]

Um....Brit has been dead for a long time on GL.

I agree...
Britan bank was dead long before these invasions.
I wish they'd do the despise style invasion again.

Bring back the titan generals