Feels odd agreeing with Dermott, but this.
Also, the classic server should be 2D-only. No EC logins allowed.
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Taxes for homes [Classic Server]
- Thread starter Derium of ls
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Also, the classic server should be 2D-only. No EC logins allowed.
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Unsatisfied
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Sorry I didnt even really read the post just saw the first line about changing an old classic house system to fit someones idea and voted no. Keep classic uo classic please.
The Nos have it by a landslide and by this thread alone it seems adding gold sinks will be greeted the same way. I'll propose maybe another idea or two, but it seems we will just have to bank on them catching dupes in time
Not agreeing with your idea is trolling? Wow. So when do we round up people who are different too, Mr. Dictator?
The bottom line is, you're confusing what would happen with a classic shard, and what happened with current shards based on what happened to current shards, as if current shards didn't have any rule changes.
All you keep arguing is "It happened on Production shards." I have yet to see a legitimate argument from you actually stating this would be a good idea.
The trolling came because of a few threads you seem to take someones opinion they have and tell them they are flat out wrong, or something like that. I don't feel like looking again cause it's not worth the time. Just seems like you want to pick fights. I do think it was you who when I listed the reasons I don't like Luna, you told me they were properties of Luna, therefore not Luna itself, therefore I was not answering the question... therefore I was wrong. That really opens up the whole arguement of "what is required to make something exsist ect". When really, you and I both knew what I meant.
But if you want, I will go back and take another look at everything and try to make a more well thought out reply, honestly it's up to you.
If I oppose someones idea, I state so. I also give facts against the argument. I also use sarcasm. I don't generally use personal attacks or baseless assumptions. So that wouldn't be trolling.
Opposing someones idea isn't trolling, that's called discussion. I use sarcasm. Big whoop.
I really don't care, the vote pretty much simplifies my argument. The majority think it's a bad idea. I honestly do not think a classic shard would need a forced gold sink. Forced gold sinks aren't well received unless you get something out of it. Thus they wont do it.
It's not that you want a gold sink, it's you want a tax. People don't like taxes. Instead, you give them something they do want, sell it through an NPC at a high price. Have it only available though that vendor, or an obscenely rare drop. Or, give it 'uses" or limited durability compared to the real item (this would be production shard).
I'm not sure of what would work without breaking the game for a classic ruleset... maybe murder count removal via a large fine? To make a gold sink successful and viable to the player base, you need to give something back, and, idealy, something no one can make money off of.
Your gold sink idea contained no fun.
Dyeing hair and sticking dead animals on a wall were considered fun gold sinks by many people and this is why they were popular.
People don't object to the concept of goldsinks. But since this is a game these goldsinks should be fun.
Dyeing hair and sticking dead animals on a wall were considered fun gold sinks by many people and this is why they were popular.
People don't object to the concept of goldsinks. But since this is a game these goldsinks should be fun.
actually, I think maybe you might have hit on the right idea with the fine for murder counts, maybe an increasing scale? so it doesn't get abused (this is just using simple numbers here, don't hold me to them) say I "buy off" one murder count, it costs 10,000gp, next one 25,000gp ect, after so many times it hit some cap of like 5mil per count. this way rich people don't go slaughter people, then buy off the counts easily. pretty much like how wow does respect costs.
To me I see it as you do get something for the tax, the house! I also understand how most people think a house in UO is a given, unlike in lord of the rings where no one complains about the house tax... that's what they are use to, humans are creatures of habbit.
"Opposing someones idea isn't trolling, that's called discussion. I use sarcasm. Big whoop."
opposing someones idea is a good thing, it allows us to debate. but in the instance where"
me:
"I hate everything about it, the lag, the prices, the bank sitting is horrible for more than 10 people, it killed vendor homes outside of the gates, arg!"
you:
"The lag is from houses, which are created by people.
The lag is from large amounts of people, which is the peoples fault.
The prices are the people taking advantage of buyers.
Bank sitting is people.
So far, you hate people, and not actually luna itself."
that a lot of time is taken as beyond being sarcastic, and beyond being a smartass even. because you didn't oppose what I said, you knew completely what I meant, but tried to twist my words and paint me as not knowing what I was even saying. to me that's a troll, cause it seemingly tries to do nothing but upset people and get them to fire back at you, while you pretend all along you didn't light the fuse. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and maybe you didn't mean to troll, but I took it as you did.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I'm not trying ti pick a fight with you, just explain myself so maybe you and I can figure out a way to exist on these forums together in peace from now on.
sorry for the tripple post, but also:
"It's not that you want a gold sink, it's you want a tax. People don't like taxes. Instead, you give them something they do want, sell it through an NPC at a high price. Have it only available though that vendor, or an obscenely rare drop. Or, give it 'uses" or limited durability compared to the real item (this would be production shard)."
that is why I really wanted to see Vampire of Bajas idea of a rares vendor take shape back in about 2001ish. it was a way to remove HUGE amounts of gold, but the Devs did not like the idea of selling anything rare or hard to get at the time.
"It's not that you want a gold sink, it's you want a tax. People don't like taxes. Instead, you give them something they do want, sell it through an NPC at a high price. Have it only available though that vendor, or an obscenely rare drop. Or, give it 'uses" or limited durability compared to the real item (this would be production shard)."
that is why I really wanted to see Vampire of Bajas idea of a rares vendor take shape back in about 2001ish. it was a way to remove HUGE amounts of gold, but the Devs did not like the idea of selling anything rare or hard to get at the time.
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Connor_Graham
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This, and this really should have been the end of it.
OP- Taxes aren't fun, and thus have no place in UO. Want gold sinks? Then think up some that actually go with the game, not something arbitrarily tossed in that accomplishes nothing but pissing players off. How about a town gate fee? If you want to enter a town, it costs you 10 gp to do so, collected by a guard at the main gate. All animals and mounts (except ethy's)could be charged a fee per head to bring them into town. It could even be used to change the pace of the game. Town recalls can be changed to recall to an area next to the town gate, and anyone that recalls in lands in that spot (no blocking). Once you're in town you must run (or walk) to where you're going instead of just recalling to a vendor then back to your house again.
Keep in mind that this is merely an example, not a seriously thought out idea (or even well thought out for that matter), just an example of something that would be a better "fit" for UO. Taxes aren't the way to go.
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tenduil
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Taxes are not accurate.
Taxes would have a negative effect on the game and player base.
Taxes don't truly make sense as you keep what you earn/loot.
Classic shard does not need a gold sink. Not sure what your issue is with current production shards but it's not really the same in a Classic T2A setting. Even if years went by on a classic shard and people have millions... so? As long as were not turning it into a item based game or 'lets collect all this crap that has no worth' type of deal what does it matter?
Remember there is no insurance.
Taxes would have a negative effect on the game and player base.
Taxes don't truly make sense as you keep what you earn/loot.
Classic shard does not need a gold sink. Not sure what your issue is with current production shards but it's not really the same in a Classic T2A setting. Even if years went by on a classic shard and people have millions... so? As long as were not turning it into a item based game or 'lets collect all this crap that has no worth' type of deal what does it matter?
Remember there is no insurance.
Yes...but if you lead from the front...maybe you could inspire all of he Classic Shard players to follow suit.
You could be the Ghandi of the Free Shard.
I am pretty sure that's what Dermott was referring to...you letting us all know what you are doing, and leading by example...then EVERYONE ELSE follows suit, and voila!!
You are Ghandi!!
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Trebr Drab
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I think we do need gold sinks. But I think there are other ways to do that than "taxes", at least on houses.
However, I do think that if they instill a system for player built cities, that there should be community buildings that do require upkeep of some sort. More in the line of repairs than taxes, and taxes as a sort of "use" tax rather than a flat tax.
However, I do think that if they instill a system for player built cities, that there should be community buildings that do require upkeep of some sort. More in the line of repairs than taxes, and taxes as a sort of "use" tax rather than a flat tax.
I'm not even going to vote on such a hair brained idea. From what I read, EA is going to consider a classic shard, and give an answer, down the road.
Obviously, it has to be worth their time, no matter how bad anyone wants it.
Let's see what they decide to do first. All this hoopla, and 1100 plus replies to that other thread comes across as a kid just before Christmas. So hell bent on wanting something, they think it's already in the works.
What happens when the dream is shattered? Will we have a thread on how awfull EA is? There'll be some, but not like what we have now.
Pre AoS was fun, limited, and can be boring. (one persons opinion)
Let's say they do implement the classic shard, do you know how much crying and complaining will go down due to things not put in that everybody and his brother wants? That's for starters.
Then there will come the, okay, this was fun for awhile....."doesn't have the old rush it used to have"........that'll happen too.
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Obviously, it has to be worth their time, no matter how bad anyone wants it.
Let's see what they decide to do first. All this hoopla, and 1100 plus replies to that other thread comes across as a kid just before Christmas. So hell bent on wanting something, they think it's already in the works.
What happens when the dream is shattered? Will we have a thread on how awfull EA is? There'll be some, but not like what we have now.
Pre AoS was fun, limited, and can be boring. (one persons opinion)
Let's say they do implement the classic shard, do you know how much crying and complaining will go down due to things not put in that everybody and his brother wants? That's for starters.
Then there will come the, okay, this was fun for awhile....."doesn't have the old rush it used to have"........that'll happen too.
later
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Beer_Cayse
Guest
Actually I like pre-AOS around T2A to UOR timeframe. With no skill/stat locks it was a challenge to keep things balanced and made for a good challenge. If a true classic was setup I would also hope that the old AR system ws in place as well as an effective Resist skill.
You would not need a gold sick or tax. You would need to buy regs. That was the biggest gold sink in the game before they came out with LRC. You also would not be able to kill monsters as easy. I don't think there was too may people soloing dragons other than bard back in the day. When you died you would sometimes lose all you stuff having to buy more cloth for bandaids armor and regs.
the simple answer is some of who I've been talking about will leave EAs UO for free shards. I only give EA my money right now in hopes of a classic shard, I'd much rather give it to them than a possible free shard that can vanish over night. and on the free shards I did/do play, I make sure to donate at least $30 per account per month to keep them going.
So if EA says there will be no free shard, I'll leave. I'm allowed to leave if I want as a customer, and I'm also allowed to ask for what I want.
that's where I am coming from, and I just thought it would be nice that before EA makes up their mind, that us the playerbase forms a collective thought (the best we can) on what we would want, so they can better understand the playerbase that is for it. That does save them a ton of work in the research departments.
very good point actually. And I do remember people always camped the reg vendors. So that actually IS a great gold sink on a classic server.
but as I said a few times, home taxes were just a thought nothing more.
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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So I guess when EA does make a Classic Shard, we won't be enjoying the presence of your company?
Say it ain't so...
rolleyes:
I said the same thing, though worded differently, and I was called a troll. -_-Uvery good point actually. And I do remember people always camped the reg vendors. So that actually IS a great gold sink on a classic server.
but as I said a few times, home taxes were just a thought nothing more.
Quit trolling.
for real!
j/k j/k
but now we are even Konge, I said i didn't like luna and gave reasons, someone else said the exact thing and you said I was wrong, they were right
Oi, you apparently didn't read their post if you didn't see the difference.for real!
j/k j/k
but now we are even Konge, I said i didn't like luna and gave reasons, someone else said the exact thing and you said I was wrong, they were right
The point I was trying to convey was the same reasons you stated you hated luna for, you'd state, years ago, for hating Brit. They also listed that they hated the layout of the town, pretty much everything about it.
This doesn't even have anything to do with your topic. Woohoo. You're derailing your own thread, does that mean you're trolling?
Oi, you apparently didn't read their post if you didn't see the difference.
The point I was trying to convey was the same reasons you stated you hated luna for, you'd state, years ago, for hating Brit. They also listed that they hated the layout of the town, pretty much everything about it.
This doesn't even have anything to do with your topic. Woohoo. You're derailing your own thread, does that mean you're trolling?
a troll tried to **** people off and get a negative reaction from them =p
and this thread is pretty much already dead as is.
but isn't hating the layout only hating the design? see, you can argue it endlessly.
You posted the definition of a troll from wikipedia or something, man up to the definition. Part of the definition was "posting things that aren't on topic."
That was an example. The person posted they hated everything about luna, hense why I said, everything. You can argue forever, if you don't actually read the whole thing.