Taming Improvements: what a tamer will really need as upgrade.

[Smoot]

your a tool Lewen. this post was a bit intresting but im done. im assuming you dont have magery on your tamer? because you were challenged to a duel where you get a whole bunch of extra skill points (taming) and declined the possibility of 100mil winnings. maybe not all tamers suck, but you suck. lol @ tamers who think their good at pvp.

 

[Cetric]

your a tool Lewen. this post was a bit intresting but im done. im assuming you dont have magery on your tamer? because you were challenged to a duel where you get a whole bunch of extra skill points (taming) and declined the possibility of 100mil winnings. maybe not all tamers suck, but you suck. lol @ tamers who think their good at pvp.

 

[Llewen]

The fact that you don't understand this in pvp shows your lack of experience, and the fact you are arguing random points about pvp tamers with me, is irrelevant and ignorant.

I love it when tamer haters start getting all huffy in the face of cool logic and haul out the personal insults as if that is somehow going to make them look smarter. You want to prove that you are right and I am wrong? You know what to do. Until then, you are all talk. I'll just quote what I posted elsewhere.

This discussion is never about balance, fairness, skill, fun, or anything to do with game playing or competition. It is about peer pressure, conformity, and prejudice. That's what it always boils down to.

You want to prove that you are something other than an anti-tamer bigot? Bring a tamer to Catskills and join some faction other than TB, or once character copying goes live, meet me on test with a tamer. And I do mean any tamer, with any pet. Then we'll have some fun, and you just might learn something. At least I'll have some fun, I can guarantee you that...

 

[Cetric]

I love it when tamer haters start getting all huffy in the face of cool logic and haul out the personal insults as if that is somehow going to make them look smarter. You want to prove that you are right and I am wrong? You know what to do. Until then, you are all talk. I'll just quote what I posted elsewhere.



You want to prove that you are something other than an anti-tamer bigot? Bring a tamer to Catskills and join some faction other than TB, or once character copying goes live, meet me on test with a tamer. And I do mean any tamer, with any pet. Then we'll have some fun, and you just might learn something. At least I'll have some fun, I can guarantee you that...

Keep thinking you are awesome big guy, like i have mentioned.. AGAIN

the taming skill in pvp is a complimentary skill that is very very very very powerful, but takes virtually no effort to use its great power. it also has no drawback, you never have to res your pet because youc an just exploit the system and logout when you die. The fact that you don't understand this in pvp shows your lack of experience

In fact i may even be wrong in this a little, you may be complimenting your pet, depending on the template and skill lvl of the player.

What everyone tries to get across with the tamer skill vs. no skill argument is mainly the fact you are fighting 2v1 in most cases, a very powerful pet, versus a powerful char. Obviously the char isn't as souped up as say, a mystic mage, a necro mage, a archer mage, etc. But a dread mare on someone while i am disrupting/dumping on them is going to die most likely.

 

[Cetric]

Also, lewen

I have offered you a fight on test center, i am not gunna use 40m to send a char to catskills and back. If you want a fight we can both hop on test center. I even made a gold incentive for it, and you still refused. You want to talk like you are some big bad pvper, and even admit to being a crappy mage. So whata re you, just a worthless tamer? rofl

You remind me of someone on GL who runs around in wraith form in a "blessed" suit that has **** resists and 100lrc, with a great dragon. He just says all kill and waits to die. He might try to cast a heal or a mind blast here or there, but very rarely.

 

[Llewen]

I have offered you a fight on test center, i am not gunna use 40m to send a char to catskills and back. If you want a fight we can both hop on test center. I even made a gold incentive for it, and you still refused. You want to talk like you are some big bad pvper, and even admit to being a crappy mage. So whata re you, just a worthless tamer? rofl

You remind me of someone on GL who runs around in wraith form in a "blessed" suit that has **** resists and 100lrc, with a great dragon. He just says all kill and waits to die. He might try to cast a heal or a mind blast here or there, but very rarely.

You have no idea how I pvp, or how I've prepared, or what pets I use, or how I use them. You know nothing about me. I've already told you, I play a mediocre mage at best, but I play a fairly skilled tamer. You want to prove me wrong, we can wait until the character copying to TC is live. I'll look forward to it.

But it has to be tamer vs. tamer, because if it isn't, and I lose, you'll say I have no skill, and if I win, you'll say I'm op. But if we play tamer on tamer, and we go a few rounds, if you beat me more often than I beat you, it will be because you are more skilled than I am, and if I beat you, it will be because I am more skilled than you are. If we go 500, then you will have proved your point, because you will have shown that there is no skill involved, and any tamer will beat any other tamer, 50% of the time.

But if one tamer beats another tamer consistently, what oh what could the difference be? Maybe it's because that tamer that wins all the time, is more *gasp* skilled?

 

[Smoot]

Lewen thinks hes a dragon

 

[Llewen]

Lewen thinks hes a dragon

There's a clever little attempt at an insult. Did you have to think hard to come up with that one? It doesn't look like it. I suggest you try a little harder next time. Oh I don't know, call me a "noob tamer" or something, that one really hurts. I can't count the number of times I've cried over that one.

Or you could try just not posting if you don't have anything intelligent, or relevant, to add to the thread...

 

[Cetric]

Lewen thinks hes a dragon

HAHAHAHA


prolly

The guy honestly thinks he is good because he plays a tamer well or something.

Lets break this down another way, so maybe he can understand it.

LEARNING CURVES


The difference between a newbie 120 tamer and an experienced 120 tamer is very slim
followed by archers
followed by dexers
followed by mages

obviously template versatility and differences apply, experience is the key. I could honestly throw a tamer together, imbue a suit, come up with some template, and come into the field killing people right away. You think a newbie mage could do that?

Hell, any ****** with a heavy cross bow and a dread mare could cause GIANT problems in a field fight. Now mind you, a very skilled mage with taming is powerful as ****, what makes him good isn't the pet, its his experience/skill in magery. Its when you take a bad pvper, stick a pet next to him that he RELYS ON and they think they are good (this is what im beginning to believe you are)

 

[Llewen]

obviously template versatility and differences apply, experience is the key.

skill (skl)
n.
1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience.

Hmmm, it appears that skill has something to do with experience...

I could honestly throw a tamer together, imbue a suit, come up with some template, and come into the field killing people right away.

That's exactly what I've been saying! Shouldn't take you any time at all! Just throw together that tamer on Cats, join some faction other than TB, ICQ me (11893766), and come teach me a lesson! Playing a tamer takes no skill or preparation, so you should have a 50/50 chance, no matter how "skilled" I may think I am!

We'll both end up killing each other a few times, it'll be all even, because there's no skill involved, and you'll have proved me wrong! Think how good that will feel! You can have a good laugh at the years I've spent building my stable and my suit, and the years I've spent pvp'ing. Hell, you could even Fraps a few of my more embarrassing deaths, and YouTube them!

It'll give you something to point to every time the topic comes up!

 

[Cetric]

Hmmm, it appears that skill has something to do with experience...



That's exactly what I've been saying! Shouldn't take you any time at all! Just throw together that tamer on Cats, join some faction other than TB, ICQ me (11893766), and come teach me a lesson! Playing a tamer takes no skill or preparation, so you should have a 50/50 chance, no matter how "skilled" I may think I am!

We'll both end up killing each other a few times, it'll be all even, because there's no skill involved, and you'll have proved me wrong! Think how good that will feel! You can have a good laugh at the years I've spent building my stable and my suit, and the years I've spent pvp'ing. Hell, you could even Fraps a few of my more embarrassing deaths, and YouTube them!

It'll give you something to point to every time the topic comes up!

I'm done with you, you are getting more ridiculous by the post and not worth the time to check the thread

 

[maroite]

Ok, maybe your not getting my point. You Must know how hard it is to kill a pally, if not you havent played / fought many pallys. The problem is a pally doesnt put out very much damage, but when you get most of your offensive damage from a pet, problem solved. You stay alive (easy) and your pet kills everyone, teleports into houses, poisons so much that no one can pot fast enough. Maybe it helps that my beetle is really old, and really good, like 135 poisoning or around there. Yes you kill people off one by one, so i guess anytime you kill one person and then move on to the next you dont consider it pvp? And like i said, yes most people run off when they get dped, heal, then come back. But that was the idea, get people to run away from me so they take the deathstrike, so they are easy to finish off when poisoned and shooting fireballs with a fast crossbow.

Even though you're a troll who hasn't actually played the game in a long while, at least not on a prodo shard, I'll comment anyway.

Why you're a troll: Pets don't teleport anymore. rolleyes:

Also, I don't care who you are, or what pet you have, in PvP my group can focus heal me with a dread warhorse/runebeetle + bake beating on me AND keep me alive. I don't have to run in GROUP pvp was my point. Maybe in solo PvP yes, but I don't consider that PvP. Its a duel and a lot different.

You can't balance pvp on a 1 to 1 basis, because as soon as you throw in a few more people that balance is going to be ruined.

If you only use 2 hot keys, like you claim, in group PvP you're going to get owned. I am sorry, but I am VERY hard pressed to believe you only use two keys. Seems to me, even through your explanation you use at least three, "All kill", Deathstrike, and chiv healing, plus you have to attack the person with your cross bow.

Seems like someone was blowing steam, and then ruined their own argument. rolleyes:

 

[maroite]

HAHAHAHA


prolly

The guy honestly thinks he is good because he plays a tamer well or something.

Lets break this down another way, so maybe he can understand it.

LEARNING CURVES


The difference between a newbie 120 tamer and an experienced 120 tamer is very slim
followed by archers
followed by dexers
followed by mages

obviously template versatility and differences apply, experience is the key. I could honestly throw a tamer together, imbue a suit, come up with some template, and come into the field killing people right away. You think a newbie mage could do that?

Hell, any ****** with a heavy cross bow and a dread mare could cause GIANT problems in a field fight. Now mind you, a very skilled mage with taming is powerful as ****, what makes him good isn't the pet, its his experience/skill in magery. Its when you take a bad pvper, stick a pet next to him that he RELYS ON and they think they are good (this is what im beginning to believe you are)

That amusing... My guild suggests mage templates for anyone getting their feet wet in PvP...

Most versatile, most survivability, and you for some reason, think casting explosion/flamestike combos is difficult. lol Obviously I'm being facetious, and there is a lot more to playing a mage. But playing a tamer can be a challenge.

Not all tamers are heavy crossbow wielding mage tamers. -.- Although, since I only use Magery to heal/cure/recall/invis this thread has given me the idea of actually bothering to imbue a heavy crossbow with mage weapon on it. . .

hmm...

 

[Cetric]

That amusing... My guild suggests mage templates for anyone getting their feet wet in PvP...

Most versatile, most survivability, and you for some reason, think casting explosion/flamestike combos is difficult. lol Obviously I'm being facetious, and there is a lot more to playing a mage. But playing a tamer can be a challenge.

Not all tamers are heavy crossbow wielding mage tamers. -.- Although, since I only use Magery to heal/cure/recall/invis this thread has given me the idea of actually bothering to imbue a heavy crossbow with mage weapon on it. . .

hmm...

It is because a mage, newbie or not, is the most effective for the good of the guild, and well, the most effective meatshield. A dexer, especially one that doesn't play as a team player, does nothing to help a group but maybe dismount.

 

[Llewen]

I'm done with you

I doubt it...