Suspended 72 hours for using a bugged quiver after bought it off vendor

[slayer888]

I just got suspended by a stupid GM for 72 hours after wearing a quiver for whatever i bought it off a vendor...

Could anyone give me a call number so i will dial to the US to FARK them up?

 

[Beastmaster]

You have no recourse. This is a known issue that has been discussed here quite a few times. You will have to endure the ban.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Whatever "Fark" means, it would be a waste of time. Buying a "bugged" quiver from a vendor doesn't change the fact that the item has been deemed illegal, thus the GM was perfectly within his rights to issue the ban. It sucks, but there's not much you can do about it. On the bright side, I bet you'll be checking each and every quiver you buy from here on out.

 

[Olahorand]

Although I have read about bugged quivers in the past, I would not be able to remember what is exactly their behavior and the difference to unbugged quivers.
And not everybody may have heard of those. (Not all players of UO read Stratics or even understand the English language good enough. And if this ever has been posted on the login screen I can ensure you, that the login screen still shows a plain white site on localized Windows versions.)
So I disagree with a policy, which hurts a player who has a potential unintended bugged item instead of simply fixing the item.
*Salute*
Olahorand

 

[Lord Drakelord]

I just got suspended by a stupid GM for 72 hours after wearing a quiver for whatever i bought it off a vendor...

Could anyone give me a call number so i will dial to the US to FARK them up?

you were lucky, another player last year had his account closed for the very same reason. I hope you are able to work things out.

 

[Spree]

What is a makes a quiver bugged? Is it filled with rune beetles?

 

[Lady Aalia]

If it is like the OP told then, sorry I have to dissagree with the GM too. I know especially on Atlantic we have a LOAD of Vets returning atm, and last time i have seen anything on the Quivers was sometime last year.

Now there is nothing on the patch window and I just dont think you can expect people to dig through an entire year of Stratics posts or check the knowledge base before buying something trivial like a Quiver of a vendor.

On a page like that i would expect a GM to give out a warning (first offense) and then fix the Quiver, if he does it again then go for the ban hammer.

there is a lot worse offenses that get by with no penalty at all

 

[Wilde1]

IMO you shouldn't be banned for buying something off a vendor (whether it be a quiver or runic kit or whatever). The whole "you should have known" argument is weak because it assumes that every player has to read forums in order to play the game. While i personally enjoy stratics, it's not a requirement for game play. Sorry it happened to you slayer.

At least you'll be back playing in a couple days. go read a book, watch a few movies, spend some time with your family...etc

 

[Kaleb]

Sorry to hear that. That is the saddest part of the game is GM's that assume people know what had been deemed legit or not over the years. And 2nd are the Self rightious people that page just simply because they have nothing better to do.

 

[NewThunder]

Calling a GM stupid is very childish. They are employees who have to enforce the rules.

Calling the Customer service line simply to "fark" with them is also childish.

The more constructive action would be to submit feedback. Perhaps if feedback is given the policy can be revamped and GM's may have a better method of handling the issue.

The choice is yours be constructive, or simply cry over having to take a 3 day break from UO.

 

[Maplestone]

I think that a case could be made that after all this time, if it is serious enough to be a bannable offence, EA should have been able to run a script searching across the entire database for bugged quivers and removed/fixed them.

However, I was also under the impression that the policy was to give a warning on the first offence.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

I think that a case could be made that after all this time, if it is serious enough to be a bannable offence, EA should have been able to run a script searching across the entire database for bugged quivers and removed/fixed them.

However, I was also under the impression that the policy was to give a warning on the first offence.

nope, player, whom I know, was ban from game for having it and he was the one that called the GM about a bug quiver, so we have a standing policy in our guild if you get a bug one from a token toss it in the trash can! And our guild know that player to be very honest and was in shock to be ban. Lucky someone had an extra account and gave it to him so he could continue to play.

 

[Beastmaster]

However, I was also under the impression that the policy was to give a warning on the first offence.

There is the problem. A specific posted policy does not exist. Instead, EA relies on its broad, general ROC and TOS.

 

[GhostGL]

Is this when they have more then 500 arrows on em?

 

[Lord Drakelord]

Is this when they have more then 500 arrows on em?

most likely

 

[The Home Guild]

I don't agree with the ban.
Not everyone knows about this "bugged" quiver and the ban it will become of you if you purchase/wear it.

I don't see at log in "Hey,we're banning anyone that uses these quivers"
Also,if this subject was spoken about on the boards and the dev's are well aware.. why hasn't it been fixed? I don't beleive it's fair for anyone to get a ban over something they probably never knew it was banable in the first place.

 

[BartofCats]

If it is like the OP told then, sorry I have to dissagree with the GM too. I know especially on Atlantic we have a LOAD of Vets returning atm, and last time i have seen anything on the Quivers was sometime last year.

Now there is nothing on the patch window and I just dont think you can expect people to dig through an entire year of Stratics posts or check the knowledge base before buying something trivial like a Quiver of a vendor.

No but even returning players who can find stratics can use the SEARCH feature here.

Meanwhile I do agree that there should not have been a ban on said account for this char once the GM was informed of the situation, we dont know how this player had the account. IE were they banned for other things before... did they already recieve a warning waaaaay back when for said quiver bug before? you know?? Kinda hard to say.

 

[Kiminality]

As far as I understand it, when the GMs respond to a bugged quiver the first time, they put a note on the account that you've been made aware.
The next time, they disregard the "I didn't know" claims, since the note's there that you've been made aware.
So, if it was a first time, then you should have had it fixed, and the note made. If it wasn't, then it wasn't, and see above.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

If I have a quiver that will hold like 2000 arrows...you mean to tell me that if one of my characters is wearing it, with 500 arrows or less in it, that the GMs would have some way to know it was bugged?

Seems to me that if the quiver says it holds 500, and you put 1000 into it, then you have broken a rule. But if you are just running around with say, 340 in it, how were you supposed to know it was bugged??

I can understand the GM seeing someone with one of these quivers carrying around more than what it should and taking action, but just to ban someone for merely having the item seems extreme.

Just yesterday, at the Bank event in Britain on Atlantic, I saw at least 2 people on the same screen as an EM and Draconi wearing bugged ethereal cloaks. No action was taken against them.

Seems like we need better standards.

 

[GL_Seller]

This is completely pathetic. They need to fix the stupid bug. Banning people for having them is a damn joke. The arguement that its been discussed here is not a good one. Last i remember these were never the official boards of UO. ALot of people dont know these boards exist and theres no warning on there website.

When this was first brought up here alot of ppl were paging gms on people on GL. The people i talked to said the gm just came fixed the quiver and left. Is it that hard to do this all the time? Since they cant fix the crap in a patch this should be the way it happens. If they ban the person they should ban the seller for selling exploited gear.

 

[gjohnson5]

Whatever "Fark" means, it would be a waste of time. Buying a "bugged" quiver from a vendor doesn't change the fact that the item has been deemed illegal, thus the GM was perfectly within his rights to issue the ban. It sucks, but there's not much you can do about it. On the bright side, I bet you'll be checking each and every quiver you buy from here on out.

The issue is why wasn't the person who put the quiver on the vendor banned and the quiver removed from the vendor?

Why ban the purchaser?

Are the "bugged" quivers the ones w/50% weight reduction?

 

[Flutter]

Obvioulsy from this thread people don't even know what is bugged about what quivers where or how so how can anyone be banned for it. It's a silly and unreasonable thing to ban someone for anyway.
It's not like the bugged quiver actually does carry rune beetles to shoot at people.
Thing is, someone had to see you with it overloaded to page on you for it in the first place, so someone on your shard has nothing better to do.

 

[Anne]

When this first started being talked about and it was said that you could page a gm to fix your bugged quivers I twice tried paging a gm. All I got both times was the canned knowledge base reply. Then I heard of people getting in trouble with the gms when they did page them. So I gave up and quit using the quivers.

I haven't thrown away my bugged quivers hoping that they will come to their senses and let people ask to have them fixed without any penalty. Wouldn't it just be right if they for maybe a month allowed people to page to have them fixed or somehow just fixed all of them? Also couldn't it be possible that they couldn't be placed on vendors? It's true that not everyone reads Stratics or even knows that the quivers are bugged and innocently use them.

 

[sablestorm]

Total BS in my opinion, and I'm not talking about what the GM did. Apparently he's doing his job, but the response of the posters and the expectations here are ridiculous. It's been talked about here so shame on you for buying this quiver, seems to be the initial response. BS. Let me repeat that. BS.

I have no idea what quiver got him banned or why. I might buy this stupid thing and wind up in the same boat, despite the fact I've played since Beta. Why? Because I don't read Stratics UHall religiously. I'm too busy playing UO for that.

Again, just because it is discussed here at Stratics, that doesn't mean everyone should know about it. There are a whole lot of people out there who would rather be playing the game rather than listening to non-stop rants about it so they don't bother to come here. I think they should have that right. Out of my guild, I'm pretty much the only one who browses these boards and even then I have no idea what this quiver is.

Was this quiver mentioned on the patch screen and on UO.com? If not, then the ban should be overturned.

 

[gjohnson5]

Total BS in my opinion, and I'm not talking about what the GM did. Apparently he's doing his job, but the response of the posters and the expectations here are ridiculous. It's been talked about here so shame on you for buying this quiver, seems to be the initial response. BS. Let me repeat that. BS.

I have no idea what quiver got him banned or why.

Completely hypocritical...

Since you admit you don't know what quiver is a bannable offense or why it's a bannable offense, then it's still the buyer's fault for buying a quiver???

LOLOLOLOL

 

[sablestorm]

Completely hypocritical...

Since you admit you don't know what quiver is a bannable offense or why it's a bannable offense, then it's still the buyer's fault for buying a quiver???

LOLOLOLOL

No, I don't blame the buyer at all. My issue is with EA policy on this. The BS I'm referring to is for those who thinks players should be held accountable for policy that was hammered out in a Stratics discussion. If the majority of the players don't use these forums than how can you use these forums for disseminating official policy?

 

[Duke X. Winter]

Did you miss the entire point of Sable's post? Read it again. You might see where he says that the ban should be overturned.

 

[gunneroforgin]

I got hauled in for a bugged quiver also, luckily I didn't get suspended. It seems that the OP doesn't comprehend the difference in the quivers. A normal Quiver of Infinity holds 50 stone in arrows, a bugged one will hold 400 stone in arrows. see the difference? So, check your quivers everyone.

The GM, I talked to, said you can contact a GM, without fault, to have any bugged Quivers you have fixed. So I recommend that if you have bugged quivers, it would be prudent to get them fixed rather than to get caught using them and get a suspened from the game.

 

[Demonous]

it is stupid to ban people for that though, they should actually be made legal its just overall useful for everyone to be able to hold more arrows, i mean 2000 arrows in one quiver or 2000 arrows between 4, just more costly to have 4

 

[Maplestone]

Obvioulsy from this thread people don't even know what is bugged about what quivers where or how so how can anyone be banned for it.

Based on past incidents where this came up on the boards, the GMs didn't ban on the first offense - they explained the situation, replaced the quiver and made a (non-"mark") note on the account that the user had been told about this. Banning came from a user being found with another bugged quiver after having been told.

Now, if this didn't happen or if the policy has changed then the original poster has a complaint. I would think it should be easy enough for the GM review process for them to check the logs and determine what happened.

 

[sablestorm]

Based on past incidents where this came up on the boards, the GMs didn't ban on the first offense - they explained the situation, replaced the quiver and made a (non-"mark") note on the account that the user had been told about this. Banning came from a user being found with another bugged quiver after having been told.

Now, if this didn't happen or if the policy has changed then the original poster has a complaint. I would think it should be easy enough for the GM review process for them to check the logs and determine what happened.

For the most part, my interaction with GMs has been pretty good, but there are cases that give me pause and shake my confidence in them. They are minor issues, but that nagging doubt is always there. You wonder, what if I get the incompetent GM who jumps the gun and bans my account?

I've paged before on an issue the GMs have helped me with before and instead I got a canned response. I paged a second time with the same description, only adding that I know the GMs can help and not to give me a canned response and the second time a GM showed up and solved the issue in under a minute.

So with my minor issue, GMs are supposed to show and help, but the first GM was too busy cyberslacking or something to bother helping me. That nagging doubt now creeps in with a major issue like these bugged quivers. GMs are supposed warn you and fix it, but what if you get that incompetent GM that bans you instead?

 

[Ailish]

The fact that quivers can still become bugged WITHOUT MEANING TO DO IT after they supposedly "fixed" the issue, in my mind makes this policy wrong. So say I had a bugged quiver before and paged to have it fixed. They put a note that I know about them. Then months later another quiver I have or buy becomes bugged ... now I dont DARE call because they will suspend me.

They need to FIX the quivers, FOR GOOD, and fix what makes them bugged, then simply remove and replace them with new ones - no marks or suspensions necessary.

 

[Xel The Wanderer]

To be fair, we don't know if there were any prior infractions on slayer888's account, so that might be a factor to his 72-hour ban. Gunneroforigin as well as many others bring up valid points. It seems that there really isn't a global standard operating procedure (as people have experienced the "good" and "bad" extremes on this subject), and again, there could very well be other factors that we're not aware, i.e. prior infractions. Not everyone reads these boards so not everyone may be aware or informed of said bug.

With that said, a GM can and should fix quivers that are bugged without fear of reprisal to the player (including those who paged the GM, themselves). I'm not saying that ignorance is a monolithic shield in this matter, but if something can be done to rectify the situation with both or even third parties leaving amicably, then there should be an effort made to do so. As for the GM in question? Who knows. Perhaps they weren't aware of what could or should have been done in this case. Perhaps the Donkey Show that he/she saw South of the border affected him/her in more ways than they care to admit, and they were having a "bad day". Slayer888, go for the constructive route, man. Send in an e-mail to customer support, detail what happened, and who knows? It's worth looking into as people here can relate to you in this matter and can also attest to being helped by a GM without getting a suspension or worse.

Then again, you can just accept the situation and wait out the 72-hour ban. With that said, I'm thinking today is steak day. Steak and some sake. Steak and sake and more sake. There we go, that sounds better.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

My experience with this is the GMs will warn you for the first occasion and then suspend you with any further indiscretion. One thing all posters should keep in mind was that the poster did not include his past indiscretions nor did he tell us if he was actively using the quiver in a manner which was against the ToS.

In addition, the matter had been posted here on several occasions since the poster registered to these boards...as well as on the UO site. Ignorance is no excuse, as is the case with breaking any laws outside of the game. I feel that the suspended poster should have done his homework first, and in addition if innocent of any wrong would have included that in his post.

Lets face it, if you do something wrong...you deserve to be punished.

 

[Viper09]

I always find it interesting when I hear about people getting suspensions or bans over bugged quivers. Because every time I go to the PvP zone, guess what I see...almost every archer has a bugged quiver.

 

[sablestorm]

My experience with this is the GMs will warn you for the first occasion and then suspend you with any further indiscretion. One thing all posters should keep in mind was that the poster did not include his past indiscretions nor did he tell us if he was actively using the quiver in a manner which was against the ToS.

In addition, the matter had been posted here on several occasions since the poster registered to these boards...as well as on the UO site. Ignorance is no excuse, as is the case with breaking any laws outside of the game. I feel that the suspended poster should have done his homework first, and in addition if innocent of any wrong would have included that in his post.

Lets face it, if you do something wrong...you deserve to be punished.

Where was it on the UO Site? I've googled ultima online bugged quivers and get UOForums discussions and this thread. I don't get any mention of it on uo.com. The search feature on UO.com gives me an error. We are paying customers and even now that I know this is an issue, it's not easy to find any answers. You say ignorance is no excuse? I'd like to see you rattle off every banable offense in UO. Can you do it or would you have to admit to ignorance on some level?

I need to add that since there is no tone in text, please take this post as merely a discussion, a debate if you will.

 

[Connor_Graham]

The issue is why wasn't the person who put the quiver on the vendor banned and the quiver removed from the vendor?

Because the person that bought it is the one that got caught with it.

Are the "bugged" quivers the ones w/50% weight reduction?

No, the Quiver of Elements has that as one of it's properties. The ones that are bugged show that they can hold 400 stones worth of arrows/bolts.


FYI to everyone else in the thread, the bugged quivers have been brought up in at least 2 different FoF's that I can recall.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Where was it on the UO Site? I've googled ultima online bugged quivers and get UOForums discussions and this thread. I don't get any mention of it on uo.com. The search feature on UO.com gives me an error. We are paying customers and even now that I know this is an issue, it's not easy to find any answers. You say ignorance is no excuse? I'd like to see you rattle off every banable offense in UO. Can you do it or would you have to admit to ignorance on some level?

I need to add that since there is no tone in text, please take this post as merely a discussion, a debate if you will.

Yeah...the UO site only goes so far back...who cares? My point is that SINCE the original poster registered, this issue has been brought up on numerous occasions here and on the UO site in the past. Yes, I agree we are all paying customers, but this issue is cut and dry. Its obviously an issue with an exploited item, as the poster could have just used a heritage token for a regular quiver IF that was what he was looking for. Truth be told, I dont think it was...key being think.

Rattle off about every offense? I wasnt the person posting the thread was I? In addition, the moment the thread was started the OP admitted ignorance...that is crystal clear. In my experience, if someone does something they feel WAS treated unjustly, they would take the time to give explanation to HOW they were wronged...however that was not the case. A blanket statement only leads to questions, none of which the OP bothered to answer since the original post.

All you are doing is jumping to conclusions about the wrongdoing of gamestaff, rather than focusing on what the original poster DID.

 

[kelmo]

To the OP... Your issue is with EA/Mythic. Argue your case with them. There is nothing Stratics can do for you about a suspension or a ban from UO.

To the rest... If you feel there are some communication issues send feed back. It is sure to read if sent through the proper channels.

Have a wonderful day. *nods*