Summon Fey for Reds?

[Slickjack]

How do I "forge a friendship" with the Fey to be able to cast this spell?

I have the scroll from another character, is it not possible to have "red" pixies?

I'd use forged pardons to be able to do it, but alas, 850 long terms is not going to fixed by pardons!

I'm uber-sun-burnt!

 

[JC the Builder]

Murderers cannot get the summon fey spell unless they did it before going red.

 

[Mervyn]

The request for devs to include this was made a while ago, and been denied, however like the above post said, you can cheat the system.

 

[puni666]

It's not cheating anything. Seriously reds use chivalry why not feys? Spell weaving isn't even karma based...

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Or a red could just go to Sanctuary and get the evil version of the spell: Summon Fiend.

Why would a red want a summon that would attack them? Fey are positive karma and attack everything with negative karma. rolleyes:

 

[Taylor]

Or a red could just go to Sanctuary and get the evil version of the spell: Summon Fiend.

Why would a red want a summon that would attack them? Fey are positive karma and attack everything with negative karma.

This (sans the eye roll, )

 

[Slickjack]

well, i was sorta thinking since they were summons, they'd be under your control and wouldn't attack you (red player).

plus, i just want to see red pixies.

 

[Vaelix]

Or a red could just go to Sanctuary and get the evil version of the spell: Summon Fiend.

Why would a red want a summon that would attack them? Fey are positive karma and attack everything with negative karma. rolleyes:

Fiends have Pack Insct and Are more Melee Based.

Pixies Spam Much more often and are spell based, and as a summon, Generally do not Randomly Attack Targets based on their Karma.

Players who have done the quest before going red have access to Red Pixies, where as Players who went red first do not, There is no basis for Why they are denied access to this ability, As its been said before, There are Red Chars Using Chiv, and weave isnt even Karma based.

 

[puni666]

Or a red could just go to Sanctuary and get the evil version of the spell: Summon Fiend.

Why would a red want a summon that would attack them? Fey are positive karma and attack everything with negative karma. rolleyes:

They have different resists. Pixies > Imps

 

[Slickjack]

Fiends have Pack Insct and Are more Melee Based.

Pixies Spam Much more often and are spell based, and as a summon, Generally do not Randomly Attack Targets based on their Karma.

Players who have done the quest before going red have access to Red Pixies, where as Players who went red first do not, There is no basis for Why they are denied access to this ability, As its been said before, There are Red Chars Using Chiv, and weave isnt even Karma based.

Yeah, I think the same way.

I did the quest to get SW and the quest to get the spell on another character and handing it to my Red and he can't cast b/c HE didn't do the fey quest...

I'm thinking this may need to be looked at, as I'm sure since you can GO red after you have spell it wasn't truly meant to be a penalty for Reds not to be able to use it, i.e. a newly turned Red can use it, but someone that's BEEN red can not....

 

[Beastmaster]

You're red...deal with it. You have way more freedom than you deserve.

 

[Slickjack]

wow, who's the trammy in the room?

 

[JC the Builder]

Murderers don't have summon fey simply because they can not enter Heartwood. There was no master plan to deny reds from getting the spell. If this was the case then summon fiend would only be available to reds.

 

[puni666]

Murderers don't have summon fey simply because they can not enter Heartwood. There was no master plan to deny reds from getting the spell. If this was the case then summon fiend would only be available to reds.

Right!, It's kind of silly there's even a gate to Heartwood in fel since NO REDS can enter it... I wonder if the dev's are even aware of that or not... hmm. To bad they don't read the boards as often as we'd hope... Maybe more of the small things would be fixed a lot faster. *crosses fingers*

 

[Pinco]

the pixie who give the quest is near the sacrifice shrine in felucca...

 

[Slickjack]

DO WHAT?!?!

 

[Slickjack]

Unbelievable! Un-f'in-believable!

 

[MalagAste]

Guess that's the price for being a murderous scum.

What you think you should get some reward for your actions?

Sorry but thems the breaks.

Ever hear of thinking before you act?

 

[puni666]

Guess that's the price for being a murderous scum.

What you think you should get some reward for your actions?

Sorry but thems the breaks.

Ever hear of thinking before you act?

You do realize with that logic anyone that's red shouldn't be able to use chivalry spells also right? Isn't it sort of ironic how reds can resurrect with NOBLE sacrifice?

 

[northwoodschopper]

of course reds can use chivalry spells, it's karma-based, not morality based. paladins can still commit atrocities yet still be considered righteous. just if they stray into negative karma, the abilities become a lot less useful to costs.

murderers can't enter heartwood, and it's probably safe to bet that the fey won't friend a murderer anyways. as for turning red after friending the fey, guess the fey aren't as judgemental to 'friends'.

i really would rather have the imp summons be equal to the fey ones. or would've been much cooler if the devs made rebel, 'evil' fey for the sanctuary quests.

still think it would be hilarious if red fey summoners just end up with the fey attacking them.

 

[Mudd]

I've also been trying to get this spell on my red... Pretty lame that we can't.

What good does Arielle do at Fel Sacrifice if you don't already have the quest?

 

[NuSair]

Oh heaven forbid being red has any negative consequences.

 

[puni666]

Oh heaven forbid being red has any negative consequences.

We can't enter 4 facets because of it... wtf are you talking about negative consequence...

 

[NuSair]

We can't enter 4 facets because of it... wtf are you talking about negative consequence...

Soul stones + multiple characters per account make that a non-issue.

 

[MalagAste]

You do realize with that logic anyone that's red shouldn't be able to use chivalry spells also right? Isn't it sort of ironic how reds can resurrect with NOBLE sacrifice?

Yes kinda like a necromancer using chivy...... just seems all wrong.

 

[NuSair]

Yes kinda like a necromancer using chivy...... just seems all wrong.

It's all a matter of point of view. You can be noble and evil. And just being noble doesn't mean you have morals.

 

[Mervyn]

Yes kinda like a necromancer using chivy...... just seems all wrong.

Whats annoying is that if you did the quest as a blue, then go red thats fine, so if you're red you're bad and can't have pixies, but if you're newly red, that's ok!

I have one more blue that i could turn red, and want to, but then the faction changes are coming in soon to let faction fighting in tram, i don't think they'll allow reds to go to tram so i can't really turn my last blue mage red.

The imps really suck compared to the pixies. I guess it's worth me deleting my red char and creating a new blue and buying 6 x 120 scrolls and +25 stat, then go red, I can't really afford it, really lame.

 

[Slickjack]

I've also been trying to get this spell on my red... Pretty lame that we can't.

What good does Arielle do at Fel Sacrifice if you don't already have the quest?

Getting Spellweaving wasn't the issue, you can pick up the skill quest in the very back of Felucca Sanctuary. This is on uoguide.com and also pretty widely known.

What WASN'T widely known is that Arielle was at Fel Sac Shrine so that reds could "Forge their friendship" with the Fey to receive the summon fey scroll AND the ability to use it. I PM'd JC so he could add this to the uoguide.

I tried to get around it by doing the quest on a newbie and handing the scroll to my red, but that wouldn't work... so this new information about Arielle at the Fel Shrine is a boon.

Thanks!

 

[Mervyn]

I tried that before, and again now, she only gives me the 'joys of life' quest which is something to do with turning human to elf or visa versa

 

[Mudd]

I tried that before, and again now, she only gives me the 'joys of life' quest which is something to do with turning human to elf or visa versa

Yep same problem I was having. I even did the "Joys of Life" quest, still not able to use pixies.

 

[Pinco]

Here how you should do that:

1. Go to heartwood near the NPC who give you spellweaving there is another named "Synaeva the arcanist"

2. Buy beads from jeweler and honey from a cook and return to him

3. Bring the gift to arielle on sacrifice shrine

4. Now you have to kill 20 reapers (in ilsh is easier, but doable also in fel)

5. Back to arielle and the quest is over. Now you can cast summon fey.

BUT reds cant enter in heartwood so you can't do that

 

[Petra Fyde]

Sorry, the summon fey quest is not, and never has been, available to reds. Arielle is at Sacrifice because the devs of the time promised that reds would be able to convert to elf if they wanted to.

 

[Requiem_baja]

You're red...deal with it. You have way more freedom than you deserve.

Your whats wrong with this game

 

[Mervyn]

Ok so he's a question:

If indeed it was the devs intent to make feys only available to blues, does that then mean, if i delete my red, create a blue and buy all the scrolls and yada yada then go red again, might the devs then prevent reds from being able to cast feys?

Are we wasting our gold/time cheating the system?

 

[northwoodschopper]

be better to just have the devs make summon fiend the same as summon fey. the fey are much more useful than the imps. just have those imps have the same stats as the fey.

 

[Mervyn]

be better to just have the devs make summon fiend the same as summon fey. the fey are much more useful than the imps. just have those imps have the same stats as the fey.

Yeah i have to say, it's weird that you lose karma (not that i care) for summoning imps when feys have 4 times more eval and move a heck of a lot faster.

I would say there's literally no use for an imp, but if you have 2 fire steeds, you could summon an imp as i think fire steeds are have daemon pack instincts

 

[puni666]

be better to just have the devs make summon fiend the same as summon fey. the fey are much more useful than the imps. just have those imps have the same stats as the fey.

That's a good idea, but then again the dev's don't read anything useful on these boards. You should see my PM about how clueless Cal is on mysticism.

 

[Lynk]

That's a good idea, but then again the dev's don't read anything useful on these boards. You should see my PM about how clueless Cal is on mysticism.

You complain about mystics a lot. But you've been playing one on great lakes the last week or so.

Seeing you play that mage is a perfect example for my argument, that mysticism is fine and clearly not overpowered.

 

[puni666]

You complain about mystics a lot. But you've been playing one on great lakes the last week or so.

Seeing you play that mage is a perfect example for my argument, that mysticism is fine and clearly not overpowered.

I've played the past 2 days.. You couldn't begin to count the number of times I've been plagued. No it's not obviously a necessity for anyone at all. You know it as well as everyone else that's played that type of character that it's overpowered. You're just pissy anyone would bring up anything that makes your sync dumping not work everytime like before mysticism was around. You were about as effective as a lightning striking wrestler.

And because I've played an OP template is more of the reason to complain about it since I know why it's over powered.

 

[Lynk]

I've played the past 2 days.. You couldn't begin to count the number of times I've been plagued. No it's not obviously a necessity for anyone at all. You know it as well as everyone else that's played that type of character that it's overpowered. You're just pissy anyone would bring up anything that makes your sync dumping not work everytime like before mysticism was around. You were about as effective as a lightning striking wrestler.

And because I've played an OP template is more of the reason to complain about it since I know why it's over powered.

Since I've been playing I couldn't tell you how many times I've been cursed. Every mage uses curse. Therefore curse is overpowered.

I guess my message wasn't clear enough. You play that character so crappily that you aren't a threat to anyone you run into. People see your character and we usually wont even call you as a target because you pose no real threat. If you're the only one left then you get targeted.

 

[Mervyn]

Steered so far off course, you can't even see the thread anymore

 

[puni666]

Since I've been playing I couldn't tell you how many times I've been cursed. Every mage uses curse. Therefore curse is overpowered.

I guess my message wasn't clear enough. You play that character so crappily that you aren't a threat to anyone you run into. People see your character and we usually wont even call you as a target because you pose no real threat. If you're the only one left then you get targeted.

The mystic I play is all assist. No eval add in Weaving. X healing and status effects/AoE is all that char does.

 

[Dubar]

aww it makes me sad when you guys fight

unfortunately this is the small kinda thing that will probably never get addressed

 

[puni666]

aww it makes me sad when you guys fight

unfortunately this is the small kinda thing that will probably never get addressed

You're probably right look at this.


Originally Posted by Cal_Mythic
-Also, while we are on the topic of PvP … the overarching goal of changes to the game are not to emphasize PvP. Changes we’ve made to the game … treasure maps, bard changes, and even earlier this year with improving Mysticism are about keeping Ultima Online open to whatever playstyle you choose.-

Puni666
Then why did you over emphasize with Mysticism in PvP if PvP wasn't the main reason for the Mysticism changes?

Cal_Mythic
Your question makes no sense to me ...

Puni666
You said you changed up the Mysticism skill (spells) to benefit all types of playing, but in turn it has overpowering effects in pvp that seem to have gone unchecked. The spell plague damage is so overpowering it's ridiculous. Especially when paired with nerve strike. It's honestly comparable to the original Lightning strike or Word of Death days. And cleansing winds has overly simplified cross healing too. Everyone's just casting the one spell instead of players incorporating there personal skills or timing and assessments of there situation like knowing when to cure or use enhanced apples etc.. the one spell does everything for them.

It seems like you went overboard on the usefulness of these things so that anyone can just do these simple things to be insanely effective w/o even really having to try. Maybe it was unintentional maybe not.

These are the reasons why I asked that. A lot of people have been posting about it. They have a lot more detailed descriptions of the damage calculations of Spell Plague also. If you want I can copy and paste if for you.

Cal_Mythic
The Mysticism changes were made to make the Skill more appealing. It was not done for the basis of PvP.

Puni666
So I take it that this was unintentional side effect of making things more appealing. Is there going to be any sort of investigating on the effects of these things on the pvp side of things? Or will this be something that everyone will have to inevitably adjust to?

They're clueless on major things... of course they won't change something small...

I got no response after that.

 

[Dubar]

I wont comment on the mysticism in pvp topic, since i go back and forth on my stance with that and i dont wanna derail this too much

but honestly just the fact he responded to you is cool considering how many hate PMs im sure he gets daily

Logrus a dev? (not really sure on his job title) used to idle in #ultima-online channel in irc a lot and would listen to your concerns and debate a bit with you

someone in my guild asked about riding swipe on faction horses and a macro for it in the house of commons chat in irc. Cal actually PMed him on irc and directed him to billy teng? (not sure of his title exactly either) who tried to help him get his macro to work. which prolly led to the Dismount option to be added to the enhanced client

notorious board warrior Lynk said how dissapointed he was in last months producers update and Cal pmed him asking what he thought should be in the update

Honestly this is the most responsive ive ever seen the devs. It really seems like theyre starting to care about UO again

Coupled with the fact that they released what i believe to be, the best and only good expansion in 10 years. its really giving me a positive outlook on UOs future

I may just be overly optimistic tho

 

[Slickjack]

Yeah! so back to the red pixies ?!?!

A newly turned red that already did the quest can cast them, but the player that has been red can't?

... no response from DEV..... yet!

I'm still holding out hope!

 

[Mudd]

Getting Spellweaving wasn't the issue, you can pick up the skill quest in the very back of Felucca Sanctuary. This is on uoguide.com and also pretty widely known.

What WASN'T widely known is that Arielle was at Fel Sac Shrine so that reds could "Forge their friendship" with the Fey to receive the summon fey scroll AND the ability to use it. I PM'd JC so he could add this to the uoguide.

I tried to get around it by doing the quest on a newbie and handing the scroll to my red, but that wouldn't work... so this new information about Arielle at the Fel Shrine is a boon.

Thanks!

Yeah! so back to the red pixies ?!?!

A newly turned red that already did the quest can cast them, but the player that has been red can't?

... no response from DEV..... yet!

I'm still holding out hope!

 

[Lynk]

Hey!

Your name is Mudd.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Would you two like me to split these posts off into another thread? or are you happy to return this one to it's given topic?

 

[Slickjack]

I'm fine with all the crap in here.

Don't burden yourself with more work.

Thank you though...



To Mudd:

The reason why I asked for it to be answered still is because Arielle @ Fel Sac Shrine does NOT give the quest. I took that screenshot and posted it without testing it! I was very busy at the time and did not think that it WOULDN'T give the quest as Pinco had claimed.

I trusted that he posted accurately.

As Petra pointed out, Arielle is there for the race change quest. Nothing more.

They COULD add the Summon Fey quest to the Felucca bound pixie, couldn't they?!?!?!