Stealth Archer Set Up

[ReaperNI]

Looking for some help on a nice stealth archer skill set up i have 100 hiding and 70 stealth i dunno anyone any ideas

 

[KoolAidAddict]

Looking for some help on a nice stealth archer skill set up i have 100 hiding and 70 stealth i dunno anyone any ideas

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[NickyDishes]

stealth archers dont need chiv.....run what he said but no chiv and 120 ninja for wolf form, u get bonus to hp and hci instead of just llama with no bonus...that what i run.....u cant use chiv spells and stay hidden, and u already have healing and anatomy to keep u alive....plus u have mirror image and smoke bombs not to mention pots.....chiv is pointless imo unless ur pvm...but then again who runs a stealth archer for pvm

 

[Taylor]

Yes, I like nicky's version. Very sneaky and I'm a bit obsessed with wolf form.

 

[ReaperNI]

so it would look like

100 archery (use hunter's headdress for 20 for 120
120 ninjitsu
100 hide
80 stealth (10 i got cloak of silence for 80 )
90 heal
90 anatomy

this leaves me with 80 points to mess around with. and i would only be using this for pvp and yes i am in factions

 

[WalterRuether]

OK, im going to give you my take. I played a stealth archer for a long time and did well. Recently started doing it again but I am rusty.

120 arch
120 tac
100 hide
100 stealth............you can get by easily with this but its your choice
120 ninja
100 focus or med

heres the odd part......40 necro

So let me explain my odd setup. Most of a faction stealthers kills are going to come at spawns. Stealthing around a spawn is realy tough without getting revealed or walked through and the 40 necro solves this problem with wraith form. At spawns your getaways are just as fast as animal form since you run right through spawn instead of bouncing around it. Though I only recommend it at spawns or when spying. Use animal forms the rest of the time.

For healing, which as a stealther you dont do alot of, use pots and cures, they reveal you just like anything else but you do very little healing anyway. If you have to heal alot you are probably running too Kamakazi, which i tend to do sometimes myself. Though you normaly dont use alot of manaover time it is in big burst and not having alot of mana regen leaves you sitting around alot. WHen you do come out you usualy pop 2 AI in a row, that burns up mana (penalty) then use smoke, that uses mana, so you are stuck sitting til you get full again.

I know it sounds odd but I think you will like the setup if you try it some.

I am now swapping to swords and using a gargoyle. Flying is faster than getting on an ethy and they have a berzerkers breastplate that gives you 10ssi with a ring you are swinging 45 ssi if you can ge tthat armband it will be 55. So we will see how that works out. But, I like the prospect of Popping out and D mounting, instantly getting in the air and hitting them with AI's, I think this will be big if you get the timing down.

 

[[JD]]

I'm curious about the operation of wraithform when it comes to weapon specials - can you dismount and AI while in wraith? Also, if you're in wraith form and need to speed off as a Bake Kitsune, can you just hit Bake Kitsune form and instantly change and gain speed? Or do you have to recast wraith, then go to Bake form...

WTF is the deal with Smoke bombs, they never seem to frickin work to save my life. If I'm bein attacked by a player or monsters and I hit Smoke bomb I don't vanish. I have to disarm my weapon and then hit smoke bomb.

Thanks

 

[Taylor]

I'm curious about the operation of wraithform when it comes to weapon specials - can you dismount and AI while in wraith? Also, if you're in wraith form and need to speed off as a Bake Kitsune, can you just hit Bake Kitsune form and instantly change and gain speed? Or do you have to recast wraith, then go to Bake form...

WTF is the deal with Smoke bombs, they never seem to frickin work to save my life. If I'm bein attacked by a player or monsters and I hit Smoke bomb I don't vanish. I have to disarm my weapon and then hit smoke bomb.

Thanks

You can use weapon specials in wraith form, but I think you'd need to cast out of wraith form before casting a ninja form.

/Guess

 

[[JD]]

To your /guess I have no idea.

I have a balanced heavy, I hit smoke bomb and vanish(not in combat)
I have an unbalanced composite, hit smoke bomb and vanish (not in combat)

Has something to do w/being in combat I guess. But I thought that was the whole point, to allow Ninjas to escape combat

 

[Taylor]

Yeah, my thief has stopped carrying smoke bombs. I find that I have better escape success when I hit wolf form, run behind a building, hide, shadow jump, then stealth away.

 

[Gellor]

I've been running a stealth archer for a long time as well as other stealth type templates so here is some input.

You can not animal form out of wraith form. And like others have said, yes you can special moves in wraith form.

My template is dependent upon situation but the base of it is(still tweaking it):
120 archery (100 + hunters)
120 ninja
100 hiding
75 stealth (35ish with ~40 bonus)
90 tactics
91 healing ( 106 with "healing" ring)
59 anat (66 with brute talisman, 81 with "healing" ring)

120 resist (100+bonus)
OR
100 alchemy

I'm still tweaking my suit so the healing, tact, and stealth are in the air. My end result is wanting in the 75 stealth range and 90ish healing to ensure curing from poisons. If I can squeeze it in, I'll bump tact to 100 for bonus damage.

Now onto the logic/description of this build:
I wanted this char to be a "sniper scout" and be able to help in a group fight more than just dismounts. Thus, I wanted to have enough healing/anat to rez people. My "healing" ring is +15 anat and +15 healing. With those, I will have over 100 healing and the required 81 anat. If needed, I can break off and setup a rez point.

In an open field fight, I use resist. More than likely, I'll need to have mana to smoke bomb it up.

In a "spawn"/choke fight, I use alchemy. I am able to lay down some hellacious damage with the alchemy bonus and 50 ep As an added bonus are good heals to counteract area of effects.

Ninja is a multipurpose skill for me:
Stars... I use them... A LOT. "Free" poison damage. Why the heck not. Just takes a LOT of uo Assist macros for my belts.
Forms: kirin for HUGE stam regen while I scout. Wolf form for HP increase... HCI bonus should be a non-factor since you should have HCI on your suit. Dog form for HUGE HP regen.
Death strike... I don't use it as often as I should but it is available.
Smoke bombs... what can I say, save your butt in a small package.

I will be honest, this guy does not get a lot of kill shots. He is mostly a support char... he dismounts... he keeps people poisoned. He kills miners

 

[Lynk]

WTF is the deal with Smoke bombs, they never seem to frickin work to save my life. If I'm bein attacked by a player or monsters and I hit Smoke bomb I don't vanish. I have to disarm my weapon and then hit smoke bomb.

Thanks

Smoke bombs are fickle items.

The problem is they work off of the delay timer that you have to follow between hiding attempts.

I am pretty sure this is a bug and not intended but here goes.

Lets say I pop out of stealth and nerve strike someone twice and kill them when they are low, their two friends are right next to me, they both aggro.

I run away and I *think* I'm off screen so I try to hide. I get the error message that I can't hide right now due to being in combat. Just doing that resets the hiding timer for smoke bomb. Now I have to wait a few seconds before I can smoke bomb. If I had just used the smoke bomb right away it would have worked fine.

Does that make sense? I'm pretty sure that is not the intended game mechanic but that is how it works.

 

[NickyDishes]

so it would look like

100 archery (use hunter's headdress for 20 for 120
120 ninjitsu
100 hide
80 stealth (10 i got cloak of silence for 80 )
90 heal
90 anatomy

this leaves me with 80 points to mess around with. and i would only be using this for pvp and yes i am in factions

Your Template is fine but u definately need 90 tactics for specials and base damage...

 

[[JD]]

Smoke bombs are fickle items.

The problem is they work off of the delay timer that you have to follow between hiding attempts.

I am pretty sure this is a bug and not intended but here goes.

Lets say I pop out of stealth and nerve strike someone twice and kill them when they are low, their two friends are right next to me, they both aggro.

I run away and I *think* I'm off screen so I try to hide. I get the error message that I can't hide right now due to being in combat. Just doing that resets the hiding timer for smoke bomb. Now I have to wait a few seconds before I can smoke bomb. If I had just used the smoke bomb right away it would have worked fine.

Does that make sense? I'm pretty sure that is not the intended game mechanic but that is how it works.

Hey Lynk thanks for the info. Smoke bombs do seem really fickle but I know I'm not resetting the timer by trying to hide. I might be stealthing around Despise and run over a trap, go visible, and then a bunch of stuff attacks me. Without trying to hide, I'll hit smoke bomb, and it just plain won't work. I tried toggling war mode to make sure I'm not shooting at stuff. Didn't work. The only way I got it to work was to disarm my bow completely. I tried it with both of my bows, one is balanced. Obviously I dont have a huge sample size yet so I'm still unable to nail down what exactly is going on.

Oh yeah to the guy who said he wanted 75 stealth I think you are gonna want 80. I ran around with 120 stealth for a month and recently stoned it off and re-trained stealth to 80 effective. I'm really not getting popped too much more than I was previously. I notice a bit, but, its within acceptable limits.

 

[ReaperNI]

i dunno seems like i have a ton of people running around me get revealed somehow and get steped on by a gank squad. i think my bigest problem is i dont hit hard enough nothing worse then trying to get in the last hit and it not kill them. end up the other guy getiing the kill blow and then turning around and whacking me too. i dont know maybe ive been playing my fencer archer too much and just running around rolling heads and have gotten a lil too bold on my stealther. but even still i do love spawns when i can catch someone doing one . but id also like to take someone down maybe in open feild. i fought a guy the other day on my 4/6 chiver that went into frog mode and just spamed mirrior image i kept missing and when i hit i got posined. tried this tech on a guild mate and got burnt i think it might only work in fel and against a meele fighter. i also been runing around with a 50 di 50 lighting 50 velocity 30 ssi yumi and a charger of fallen stealth up to someone mount up and hit with double shot doesnt really hurt as much as i like it too. i def think the having to be mounted for double shot blows!

 

[Melisande Chessy]

I only use smoke bombs as a last resort.

 

[Stupid Miner]

You can use weapon specials in wraith form, but I think you'd need to cast out of wraith form before casting a ninja form.

/Guess

This is correct, cant cross between forms from difference skills. The most annoying of these is not being able to use Ethereal Voyage with vampire/wraith/whatever form.