So rebuilding of Magencia is a lottery gold sink?

[GalenKnighthawke]

So, in short: no the rebuilding of Magincia is not intended as a gold sink. We'll get you more details on this, the purpose for the design decisions made, and eliminate any confusion or speculation.


- C

Yes, please.

Your player base speculating is bad. Bad bad bad.

Surely you have realized that by now.

If we hate your design, well, I can assure you that things will go much smoother for you if we hate for what you're really going to do than what we merely imagine you're going to do.

-Galen's player

 

[Cal_Mythic]

Yes, please.

Your player base speculating is bad. Bad bad bad.

Surely you have realized that by now.

If we hate your design, well, I can assure you that things will go much smoother for you if we hate for what you're really going to do than what we merely imagine you're going to do.

-Galen's player

hahaha .. thanks. Nice to know we can look forward to hate from all sides.


- C

 

[shulginist]

Question is: Will anyone really move there and what really would be the advantages (over luna)?

I would move there.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

hahaha .. thanks. Nice to know we can look forward to hate from all sides.


- C

Just preparing you.



-Galen 's player

 

[Storm]

hahaha .. thanks. Nice to know we can look forward to hate from all sides.


- C

Dont let it be said Stratics is not equal opportunity

 

[NuSair]

Personally, I like the idea.

In terms of rebuilding it... there is only so much you can allow for the players to dictate before it really affects future possibilities for story arcs in the game.

It's the same reason that you can't have major plot line differences between shards. Because if you did, then you would have to go forward making a different storyline for each shard. And while that might SOUND like a good idea, in reality it's not.

 

[canary]

I guess I simply don't get it.

Many shards have tons of open housing as it is. I mean like 18x18 tons of open housing. And before Magincia was turned into a wasteland many shards didn't have housing on the island anyways. So I'm unsure if people will run for smaller plots. It's not like there aren't OTHER islands in UO to go live. Islands where you can place larger homes.

I dunno, I'm a housing owner on Magincia anyways. Before the Army of Shadows and Demons blew up the town, I enjoyed the solace of cyber-living there virtually alone.

So after waiting three years to see it brought back as a player run, possibly Luna-ish settlement I'm more than a bit bummed. I'll echo others thoughts in that I was hoping to see it turn into a quiet hamlet island.

And let's not forget that multiple Seers locations were destroyed to make this player city thing happen.

I'm bummed. I'm glad that certain places, like Atlantic's Magincia can possibly thrive as a better run player driven town, I can't help but feel a bit upset myself. It's like 'I waited around for THIS?'. And that sucks.

On the plus side, if it becomes like I think it may, I'll be more than comfortable removing myself of two accounts.

 

[Mavar]

Is this a solid concept or an idea they are kicking around?

 

[canary]

Is this a solid concept or an idea they are kicking around?

Solid concept.

 

[Sargon]

Magincia was always my favorite city. So much for that...

 

[Woodsman]

Is this a solid concept or an idea they are kicking around?

It's very solid, I just got done reading a really long summary:

A Breakdown of Last Night’s UO Video House of Commons | UOJournal.com

It sounds like we'll be able to enter for a ticket on every single plot. You don't just enter the raffle, you enter the raffle for the particular plot you like. I also think it's bizarre that you can transfer the deed. That means people will be entering who actually don't have any interest in living there.

To me, if you win, you should have to go through with it and have a house there for a certain amount of time, rather than being able to transfer the deed to somebody else.

Somebody hopping into the raffle without any intention of living in Magincia is not a very "player-driven" concept to me, it's a very greed-driven concept which is supposedly why Magincia was destroyed.

 

[Nyses]

Personally, I have 2 accounts and 2 houses, one is a Keep and the other is Max storage 16X18 I think. Unless these plots will be either Max storage, or "in addition to" our existing houses, I for one have no desire to move to Magincia. I suspect many other players are well established in their residences as well. about the only reason for me to move to Magincia or Luna would be for the short run to the bank and shops.

We will see how popular this really is, once it is rolled out. Sure, at first everyone will clamor to "win" a plot, but I hope it does not end up a vast wasteland of dreadfully ugly houses that are largely just private, or empty plots.

 

[NuSair]

Magincia was always my favorite city. So much for that...

City of Pride.... go figure.

 

[NuSair]

Somebody hopping into the raffle without any intention of living in Magincia is not a very "player-driven" concept to me, it's a very greed-driven concept which is supposedly why Magincia was destroyed.

Actually, Maginicia was destroyed because of Pride... had nothing to do with greed.

 

[NuSair]

Personally, I have 2 accounts and 2 houses, one is a Keep and the other is Max storage 16X18 I think. Unless these plots will be either Max storage, or "in addition to" our existing houses, I for one have no desire to move to Magincia. I suspect many other players are well established in their residences as well. about the only reason for me to move to Magincia or Luna would be for the short run to the bank and shops.

We will see how popular this really is, once it is rolled out. Sure, at first everyone will clamor to "win" a plot, but I hope it does not end up a vast wasteland of dreadfully ugly houses that are largely just private, or empty plots.

If I were to win a plot, I think I would give up my Yew Gate (Tram) house. I have a Castle, Keep and 2 18x18s. Not sure I am even going to enter into the raffle on the 'south' side.

 

[Mapper]

Personally, I have 2 accounts and 2 houses, one is a Keep and the other is Max storage 16X18 I think. Unless these plots will be either Max storage, or "in addition to" our existing houses, I for one have no desire to move to Magincia. I suspect many other players are well established in their residences as well. about the only reason for me to move to Magincia or Luna would be for the short run to the bank and shops.

We will see how popular this really is, once it is rolled out. Sure, at first everyone will clamor to "win" a plot, but I hope it does not end up a vast wasteland of dreadfully ugly houses that are largely just private, or empty plots.

I'm sure I remember 15x15 being mentioned in the video, and thats full storage.

 

[WildWobble]

New Maginca is going to fail or make luna obsolete which i doubt. Luna on many shards is in decay a quarter of the vendors there once were, I forsee a heap of dye-hard types getting all the maginca plots on 2nd 3rd 4th accounts and doing nothing with them just sitting. Makuto-Jima is an awsome place yet it died i give new maginca a year till it becomes a ghost town

 

[Woodsman]

Actually, Maginicia was destroyed because of Pride... had nothing to do with greed.

I understand that in lore, it was Pride, but I'm tossing greed into the mix as far as actual in-game events, because my impression, and I wasn't playing then so I maybe off, was that players helped things along to get rubble, which is definitely greed. If players knew Magincia was going to be destroyed no matter what they do, then greed is probably too strong of a word and we can maintain the lore of it being Pride only.

I have a feeling that players will be picking up tickets with the goal of selling the deeds/plots. It's easy money.

I'm not saying half the plots will have house signs saying "4 SALE ICQ 543895743985743", but I expect a lot will be quickly sold given that it's incredibly easy money. That's the way things are. You can't even have an EM event with stuff given out, without those items turning up on Luna vendors half an hour later.

It may not have that much of an impact though. Cal said the buildings would be simpler than before, and he said there was one housing tile set for Magincia. As long as there is a limit on vendors, it does not have to be Luna 2.

 

[QueenZen]

*smiles*

Make New Magincia a humble hovel of FISHIN HUTS, hand crafted older school blacksmith, carpenter tailor, tinkerers etc. of small nicely done modest homes like the old school UO days, where players and their vendors can not sell a darn thing but FISH, nets, High Seas stuffs, or hand crafted inexpensive items, for the poorer in UO , and or nothing permitted to be sold 'overly priced', where one actually CAN buy an easter basket from last year that isn't sold for 20+ mill gp for an EMPTIED easter basket !

Hey one can dream, can't they !

And then I would buy a lotto ticket and ifn I'd win, I would even stay there !

lol.. Now that is 'HUMBLE' !

 

[NuSair]

I understand that in lore, it was Pride, but I'm tossing greed into the mix as far as actual in-game events, because my impression, and I wasn't playing then so I maybe off, was that players helped things along to get rubble, which is definitely greed. If players knew Magincia was going to be destroyed no matter what they do, then greed is probably too strong of a word and we can maintain the lore of it being Pride only.

Given the creatures that was fought there, a good part of Magincia was going to be destroyed anyway. Basically, demons blew up and tore up the city.

Granted, there were players who purposefully lured those demons to specific areas to get certain pieces of rubble.

But, given the way the event was designed, Magincia was going to be torn apart, reguardless of the intent of the players.

 

[Woodsman]

Then it's not fair of me to say that greed was involved.

However greed will be involved in the rebuilding. I still think they should have to place a house and keep it for at least 30 days. You should not be able to win the deed and then turn around and sell it, because that is not player-driven or player-run. Well I guess it is actually

 

[Shh!]

(<subrant>and on that note, maybe actually we could HAVE an EM on siege? We didn't get ANY of the recent events, and when they placed the casket they tossed it in the middle of TB faction base, where half the shard isn't allowed to go. </subrant>)

No, no, no. Mesanna said ALL shards have an EM. Surely you aren't suggesting she has no flipping idea of what she's talking about???

 

[Shakkar]

I can see it now, every other building in the town is player owned. surrounded by npc taverns inns and shops.with nice side walks and few player houses.with each players house having only npc neighbors. I like the Idea.

 

[NuSair]

I think that a player driven town would me, in part, dynamic to the owners of the houses around it.

They already mentioned the plants, which have to be planted and maintained by the players. I wonder if it's even going to have NPC vendors at all.

Or if the vendors are somehow stocked/supplied by the players. There's an idea.

I could also see them limiting what tile sets you could use there.

Also, just because it might be a gold sink and you have to pay to play in a lottery for a house...doesn't mean that isn't humble. It's all in the wording.

Donating to a charity is a humble action. You are donating to the rebuilding of Maginicia. In recognition of that donation, you are given a chance in a raffle for one of the reclaimed spots of land in order to build a house. Maybe the more gold that is donated, that facet/shard could have a few extra things, kind of like the Community Collections (zoo specifically).

There are all kind of orginizations which use that practice (I've done it for church and school).

 

[Sevin0oo0]

They moved player housing that was already there?

Since they seemed to recognize the mess they made of Luna, maybe they'll relocate the Luna houses in the future as well.
or Instead of putting it on fire, relocation.

 

[Lord Essex]

Ok so let me get this straight.. I'm prevented from rebuilding my nice little home I've had on the beaches of Magincia for years.. Just so EA can give the spot away to some rich folks who can affoard Multi Million Gold raffle tickets.. When all I've ever wanted is to just be left alone on my private little island.. Which I first started on some 11+ years ago.. Oo yea not to mention it was probably the best designed classic city there was.. FML

 

[canary]

Ok so let me get this straight.. I'm prevented from rebuilding my nice little home I've had on the beaches of Magincia for years.. Just so EA can give the spot away to some rich folks who can affoard Multi Million Gold raffle tickets.. When all I've ever wanted is to just be left alone on my private little island.. Which I first started on some 11+ years ago.. Oo yea not to mention it was probably the best designed classic city there was.. FML

What, you let the plot drop?

If you did, then it wasn't 'your' home any longer. Nor 'your' private island.

 

[Lord Essex]

No I had to take a break due to work.. kept the accounts going yet somehow EA still managed to mess up my billing info the accounts closed and my houses fell.. came back.. EA admited that the issue was with their side.. & gave me the oh well sucks to be you have fun.. in the end.. house = gone and couldn't replace..