Simple and fun things to introduce IN FELUCCA!

[o2bavr6]

Hail Folks,

For the umpteenth time, No to all of this.

The current staff have more than enough on their plates. Adding any of this would simply make no sense.

Fix the bugs, quit adding new bugs with each publish, prevent the cheats, prevent the exploits, and continue adding interesting story line and live event content.

Felucca is as it is mostly due to those who go there, what they allow and what they do.

Trammel is as it is, which absent the bugs, cheats, etc. is pretty awesome.

Improve the in game GM service and the out of game customer service along with removing the bugs, cheats, and exploits and all will be well.

Elladan of Baja

And because your opinion means more than anyone else, you have to be right!! Right?

Kinda makes me think of people choice in life. The people who don't mind one way or another keep their mouths shut.

Yet the people who do mind not only speak out loud, but they also want their opinions to be everyone elses opinion, as opposed to letting people choose on their own. R v. W comes to mind.

 

[Tina Small]

I don't know about conning people or stealing. I know plenty of PvP'ers that are not thieves, liars, and con artists.

I used to try to help folks that I thought were barely able to afford to pay their subscription fees and who were supposedly trying to break into the PvP scene by giving them stuff, Morgana. After hearing their sob stories of losing the good stuff a few too many times, I wised up and cut off all communication with them. Isolated incidents, I'm sure, and perhaps caused by a sign around my neck that I couldn't see but others could that said, "Old softie grandma." I agree with you that there are UO PvPers who aren't thieves, liars or con artists.

Bending or breaking the game's ToS to acquire game items, train characters, or beat someone else is a common, every day occurrence. Attempting to avoid such activity and constantly having to ignore it in others gets old fast. Giving in to the temptation can, at best, lead to a nagging conscience that makes playing less enjoyable. I can only guess where constantly breaking the ToS leads you. I guess it depends on the person and how successful they think they are at putting up a wall between their in-game behavior and how they act the rest of the time.

Wow. Just wow. I don't see how this conversation devolved into "all PvP'ers=Cheaters" but I guess there are some, and that causes a skewed perception of all of them?

Ahem..... Morgana!! Stop doing that. I did not say anything close to that and you know it too, silly. You know as well as I do that there are cheaters in this game. My personal opinion is that the cheating is more rampant among the folks who enjoy PvPing than among the rest of the players. Do I have solid proof? Other than things I've heard said in Ventrillo or read in-game or on web sites, nope I guess I probably don't. I'm probably mostly relying on a gut feeling that hasn't diminished at all in two and a half years.

Does that make me a "Trammie carebear"? Perhaps. And if it does and if it means that someone else thinks that it is the reason I am "afraid" to go to Fel, so be it.

I never really cared for the terms "trammie" or "carebear". Just because someone has a different play style does not make them any lesser than anyone else.

But the accusations you have leveled at the PvP community in this post would indicate not only a fear of Fel and PvP, but an outright disdain for it.

Nah, not outright disdain. More like sadness that various issues in the game have led to these conditions. A lot of the folks that I've met who enjoy PvP seem to be wonderful folks, people that I wouldn't mind having a friendship with outside of UO. I imagine that if there was a way to conduct a truly anonymous poll of UO PvPers that asks whether they engage in what the ToS says is cheating and how that makes them feel, many would tell you that they do stuff that most consider cheating and they wish they didn't have to in order to be able to do the PvP.

I'd like to understand these feelings some people have more than I do now. It seems that PvP'ers for the most part, don't care what the devs do with Tram, but on the flipside, PvMer's (trammies) get really, really, defensive and upset at the mere mention of a Fel addition. This held true in the Classic Shard thread as well.

I know this is not the thread for it, so I will make a new thread, because I really do want to understand what it is about so-called "trammies" that makes the despise Fel and PvP and PvP'ers so much.

Morgana, I don't despise Fel, PvP, or PvPers. I've got several houses in Fel and I regularly play with people who PvP and once in a while I actually get involved in some faction activity. However, I've for the most part given up on the idea that I'll ever be much good at PvP. I don't think I have enough of the competitive spirit it seems to require. Maybe some of that comes from being called "son" and told to "grow some" a few too many times. Stuff like that makes me chuckle a bit when it happens, when I'm sure that the person who said it meant for it to enrage me to the point where I come back with some equally astounding observation.

I wasn't around when the Fel-Trammel split occurred, but I kind of like the idea of it because of the flexibility it provides and because without it I wouldn't have met some people I now call friends. I also think that the developers need to keep adding content to the game to try to keep everyone happy. However, no matter how much we all want new content, the reality is budgets and development staff time aren't unlimited and sometimes it makes more sense to fix the crumbling portions of the game's "infrastructure" first before building something new on top of it. It may be that some of the people who seem resistant to the idea of putting new things in Fel aren't against the concept of Fel or PvP. They just think the problems that exist there should be addressed first.

 

[Tina Small]

CHICK FIGHT!!!...la

Nah, not a chick fight. I like Morgana. We've had some interesting discussions here on Stratics and in game.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

CHICK FIGHT!!!...la

Put back in your pants sweetie.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

I used to try to help folks that I thought were barely able to afford to pay their subscription fees and who were supposedly trying to break into the PvP scene by giving them stuff, Morgana. After hearing their sob stories of losing the good stuff a few too many times, I wised up and cut off all communication with them. Isolated incidents, I'm sure, and perhaps caused by a sign around my neck that I couldn't see but others could that said, "Old softie grandma." I agree with you that there are UO PvPers who aren't thieves, liars or con artists.

I can understand this. I am too willing to trust sometimes. It burned me in the past, but I just shrugged it off. It's only a game. If someone "cons" me out of something by giving me a sad tale, and I help them...who lost there? I have been playing this game for 11+ years, and I have collected a lot of crap in that time. And I was hacked in 2003, and lost all my crap. I bought new crap, and got over it. If I were hacked again tomorrow, I would do the same. I think of UO as a hobby. I also play women's rec league hockey. If my stick breaks, I don't cry about it. I just go pony up the $100 for a new one and move on. If someone on my team's stick breaks, I give her one of mine. It's only money. You cannot buy memories, and friends, and experiences, so I look at it like that. Maybe I am silly, but I actually don't mind giving things away. In UO, gold is just money. I will make more. I have a few things I have a sentimental attachment to, but there is nothing I can't replace. When I lost everything to a hacker, I was so upset that I quit UO and planned to never come back. But a couple of really good guildmates convinced me otherwise, and I here I am. And I don't really miss anything I lost. Would I kick the ba$tard that hacked me in the nuts if I met him in real life...HELL YEAH! But, I don't let it sour me on UO.

Ahem..... Morgana!! Stop doing that. I did not say anything close to that and you know it too, silly. You know as well as I do that there are cheaters in this game. My personal opinion is that the cheating is more rampant among the folks who enjoy PvPing than among the rest of the players. Do I have solid proof? Other than things I've heard said in Ventrillo or read in-game or on web sites, nope I guess I probably don't. I'm probably mostly relying on a gut feeling that hasn't diminished at all in two and a half years.

Oh, we totally agree here. There is rampant cheating in UO. But trust me, it is not limited to PvP. Scripting is more rampant than speedhacking. And it has a more profound effect on the game as a whole. I deplore cheating. But I like I said above, I can quit, or I can get over it. I chose the latter.

Nah, not outright disdain. More like sadness that various issues in the game have led to these conditions. A lot of the folks that I've met who enjoy PvP seem to be wonderful folks, people that I wouldn't mind having a friendship with outside of UO. I imagine that if there was a way to conduct a truly anonymous poll of UO PvPers that asks whether they engage in what the ToS says is cheating and how that makes them feel, many would tell you that they do stuff that most consider cheating and they wish they didn't have to in order to be able to do the PvP.

I agree. I miss the old style of PvP, where it wasn't about the latest hack, or the fanciest items.

But that is where we are.

Morgana, I don't despise Fel, PvP, or PvPers. I've got several houses in Fel and I regularly play with people who PvP and once in a while I actually get involved in some faction activity. However, I've for the most part given up on the idea that I'll ever be much good at PvP. I don't think I have enough of the competitive spirit it seems to require. Maybe some of that comes from being called "son" and told to "grow some" a few too many times. Stuff like that makes me chuckle a bit when it happens, when I'm sure that the person who said it meant for it to enrage me to the point where I come back with some equally astounding observation.

I wasn't around when the Fel-Trammel split occurred, but I kind of like the idea of it because of the flexibility it provides and because without it I wouldn't have met some people I now call friends. I also think that the developers need to keep adding content to the game to try to keep everyone happy. However, no matter how much we all want new content, the reality is budgets and development staff time aren't unlimited and sometimes it makes more sense to fix the crumbling portions of the game's "infrastructure" first before building something new on top of it. It may be that some of the people who seem resistant to the idea of putting new things in Fel aren't against the concept of Fel or PvP. They just think the problems that exist there should be addressed first.

I agree. There are problems in Fel. There are problems in UO as a whole. I thank you for your honesty here Tina. It really does help me to understand the attitudes that some "trammies" exhibit.

But let me say this, before the world split, PvP was not just about attacking everything in sight and smack talking afterward. There was a community involvement. By the time the devs split UO, we had finally gotten to the point that we were curtailing rampant PK'ing via player involvement. Friendships were forged on those battlefields as well. And where you made friends because of it, and we all have, many friendships were lost because of it.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

CHICK FIGHT!!!...la

Put back in your pants sweetie.

Dagnabbit...la

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

 

[ColterDC]

speedhacking ass clowns

Is that a new monster in UO? What kind of loot does it drop?

Nope, not a new monster. Unfortunately they've been around for years and have caused many an honest player to either quit or join their unholy alliance.

Sadly the only loot they typically drop are piles of potions, the left over potions their scripts were unable to use before death.

They are quite strong though, even the almighty Devs have been unable to defeat them........

 

[red sky]

Fix the bugs, quit adding new bugs with each publish, prevent the cheats, prevent the exploits, and continue adding interesting story line and live event content.

Felucca is as it is mostly due to those who go there, what they allow and what they do.

Trammel is as it is, which absent the bugs, cheats, etc. is pretty awesome.

Improve the in game GM service and the out of game customer service along with removing the bugs, cheats, and exploits and all will be well.

Elladan of Baja

Yes, this is good, aside from the fact that this isn't what the thread is about and has been going on since the game began. So Devs, time to let the ocean wars begin, awesome new faction additions and improvements to our old beloved dungeons. This is of course after SA comes out, which looks awesome btw.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

if there was something in Fel that you wanted, but you knew you would be probably get ganked and have to do deal with the "attitude", would you go? If not, that's being afraid.

Afraid? No.

Unwilling to deal with "Teh Dumb™"? Yes.

It's no longer fear when the outcome is a foregone conclusion, it's a waste of time to deal with.

 

[red sky]

My personal opinion is that the cheating is more rampant among the folks who enjoy PvPing than among the rest of the players. Do I have solid proof? Other than things I've heard said in Ventrillo or read in-game or on web sites, nope I guess I probably don't. I'm probably mostly relying on a gut feeling that hasn't diminished at all in two and a half years.

You should go buy an event item from one of the UO websites. No, I'm not talking about replicas but the actual event items. In fact, I know someone who actually just recently bought that purple shroud with 10 phys resist for RL mula. Now when I analyze this, considering thousands of players probably visit these sites and can buy whatever, then that must mean there are how many event items in the game? And these are being sold by brokers not pvpers. So either these "brokers" must be hard-core cheating pvpers or there is something much, much more to this whole cheating business. (hides under desk in fear that elite ninjas will break through window and take me away)

 

[red sky]

Cheaters have ruined this game and I don't blame anyone who chooses to avoid dealing with the scum that infests this game.

As far as I'm concerned, the sooner this game dies, the better.

Just amazing. That is all. (wonders to self why this guy even posted about a game that he hates so much)

 

[RichDC]

You know as well as I do that there are cheaters in this game. My personal opinion is that the cheating is more rampant among the folks who enjoy PvPing than among the rest of the players. Do I have solid proof?

Cheating being more popular among pvpers? Hmmm, interesting, I dont think any PvPer could sit there and tri/quad client a miner, lumber, heartwood, turn in and play there pvp. The lag would get them destroeyed...yet many people have seen Trammy accounts who do exactly this.

This is a far FAR FAR Worse cheat than a speedhack or stumphack. Those who use them only ruin there enjoyment of the game and only directly affect themselves or others there fighting. The aforementioned scripting ruins the WHOLE GAME, deflating the economy and making the average player have to beg, steal, or borrow to be able to compete.

Btw for those that want to know
The "carebares" are imo different from "trammies", i have no problem with trammies they are willing to put in the hard work, without complaining, for there rewards...be it a 5hour doom grindfest or a 3week champ grindfest or even 300mels. They put the effort in and don't expect anything easily...these i respect, i cant sit there for 5hours in doom(i usualy make 3times round).

Carebares are the ones who annoy me and i believe end up ruining this game, they AREN'T willing to put in any effort and want everything handed to them...they are the ones who go to events and moan about not getting anything, they are the ones who got to champs and moan about not getting anything, they are the ones who cry and moan so much that the Devs think its the majority they are dealing with, taking time away from the real issues we all know and hate. Balanced PVP, some sort of way to prevent scripting and duping. the more they moan the less time Devs have to spend on SA or any of the aforementioned.

That being said(sorry for the long post) i still dont understand what the problem with the OP's suggestions are,

A champ on water(this has been asked for COUNTLESS times by BOTH sides of the split)

A new dungeon(ok were going to get one soon, it would just be nice to have a new "arena")

Faction fun (great...why would any trammy or carebare mind this??they have no desire or probably ever will to partake)

Re-vamp wind...FANTASTIC too long has this dungeon been neglected, Re-vamp on BOTH shards, hell put the PVP arena in Trammel as well...and have it Pet vs Pet as well! Why is this a problem...too long have all the dungeons been left obsolete, I used to LOVE dungeon crawling now...theres just no point you can crawl through most dungeons unarmoured and kill everything!

 

[Tina Small]

Rich and red sky, please note that I was careful to label my comment about cheating among PvPers as being just my opinion and based on my own experience associating with a limited number of PvPers. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions as well and no doubt draw your conclusions and make your comments based on your experiences in UO.

For now, I will gladly bow out of this thread and leave its progress in the hands of people like you who quite clearly outclass me in your knowledge of all things related to UO.

:bowdown:

Cheers and a wonderful Wednesday to you! I'm off to bed.

 

[RichDC]

Rich and red sky, please note that I was careful to label my comment about cheating among PvPers as being just my opinion and based on my own experience associating with a limited number of PvPers. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions as well and no doubt draw your conclusions and make your comments based on your experiences in UO.

For now, I will gladly bow out of this thread and leave its progress in the hands of people like you who quite clearly outclass me in your knowledge of all things related to UO.

:bowdown:

Cheers and a wonderful Wednesday to you! I'm off to bed.

Thank you have a wonderful wednesday to you too, I wasnt saying i know more and yes i suppose that is my opinion, its just the impression i get about all things.

Strange analogy but, if someone wants to take drugs let them it only adversly affects themselves(speedhack). If someone wants to sell/import drugs dont let them as it adversely affects a large proportion of a community/coumtry(scripting)

 

[Mistura]

Speedhacking is a much worse form of cheating and a far bigger problem for UO as a whole IMO

Speedhacking ruins alot more peoples game play than script resource farming, again just my opinion

 

[RichDC]

Speedhacking is a much worse form of cheating and a far bigger problem for UO as a whole IMO

Speedhacking ruins alot more peoples game play than script resource farming, again just my opinion

Game play, probably have to agree with you. Im sure people get more annoyed with speedhacks than scripters.

But, in the bigger picture, scripting ruins the economy of the game and makes it harder for the regular players to make an in game living ths there ability to compete on a level playing field.

BTW im not condoning speedhacking, its just that as people say it affects the minority of the playerbase, PvPers, scripting affects the community as a whole. IMO

 

[Mistura]

Game play, probably have to agree with you. Im sure people get more annoyed with speedhacks than scripters.

But, in the bigger picture, scripting ruins the economy of the game and makes it harder for the regular players to make an in game living ths there ability to compete on a level playing field.

BTW im not condoning speedhacking, its just that as people say it affects the minority of the playerbase, PvPers, scripting affects the community as a whole. IMO

I know what your sayin man. Both of these forms of cheating are very destructive to everyones gameplay in different ways and both have caused us to lose alot of good people over the years.

 

[BajaElladan]

Hi Conner.. I know Fel has Power Scrolls and double resources, can you please enlighten me as to what else they have that Tram doesn't?

They Have %&*$$#&^ ... Nope, despite the hanging curve, I'm goona apply massive restraint and let that one go by!!!

Elladan of Baja

 

[o2bavr6]

They Have %&*$$#&^ ... Nope, despite the hanging curve, I'm goona apply massive restraint and let that one go by!!!

Elladan of Baja

Is there a Khaldun in Tram? or is it another thing that Tram doesn't have?

 

[RichDC]

Is there a Khaldun in Tram? or is it another thing that Tram doesn't have?

It was in tram when it needed to be, is there a doom in fel??

Is there a dreadhorn in fel??

Is there a Luna type vendors market in fel??

The retort of theres nothing stopping a red from making a blue and going to these places...reverse it...theres nothing stopping you going to khaldun if you so wish. It infrequently visited(except for hunting the ancient lichs) you choose not to not anyone elses problem but yours.


and still...apart from ps's/stats and factions what does fel have that trammies cant get?

 

[o2bavr6]

It was in tram when it needed to be, is there a doom in fel??

Is there a dreadhorn in fel??

Is there a Luna type vendors market in fel??

The retort of theres nothing stopping a red from making a blue and going to these places...reverse it...theres nothing stopping you going to khaldun if you so wish. It infrequently visited(except for hunting the ancient lichs) you choose not to not anyone elses problem but yours.


and still...apart from ps's/stats and factions what does fel have that trammies cant get?

That was the point I was trying to make. See my post 119 to Conner

People were saying that too much effort is spent on Fel. I was just trying to point out that other than Power Scrolls, Fel hardly has anything compared to Tram.

 

[RichDC]

That was the point I was trying to make. See my post 119 to Conner

People were saying that too much effort is spent on Fel. I was just trying to point out that other than Power Scrolls, Fel hardly has anything compared to Tram.

My bad i took that as a literal comment.

 

[Tina Small]

and still...apart from ps's/stats and factions what does fel have that trammies cant get?

To name just a few things:

• The ability to prove to a complete stranger that your bite IS at least as bad as your bark.
• The ability to attempt to part a stranger without his consent from some of his possessions.

 

[RichDC]

To name just a few things:

• The ability to prove to a complete stranger that your bite IS at least as bad as your bark.
• The ability to attempt to part a stranger without his consent from some of his possessions.

The way i read that is, stop a player harrassing you...sh*t talk ends in a dirt nap for someone

and, re-stock(or not) on pots apples and trap boxes

I think what was meant was people moan that fellucca already has enough, some say too much, im merely asking that what apart from ps's would trammies want that fel has??

If its the 2 you said...then why dont they come to fel

 

[o2bavr6]

To name just a few things:

• The ability to prove to a complete stranger that your bite IS at least as bad as your bark.
• The ability to attempt to part a stranger without his consent from some of his possessions.

It's more of a nibble than an actual bite, but it is way worse than our bark,

Even the government has to take taxes. Just look at it like this. You pay a landlord, or the bank for your mortgage. Just consider us Feluccans as a landlord.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

Pffft.

GM+ spirit speak and run around harrassing Feluccans as a ghost.

Problem solved! Cant kill what isnt alive.

 

[RichDC]

Pffft.

GM+ spirit speak and run around harrassing Feluccans as a ghost.

Problem solved! Cant kill what isnt alive.

Lol That is true...although you do it at a spawn and they can exorcise you.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

Lol That is true...although you do it at a spawn and they can exorcise you.

True.

But they probably arent gonna pay attention to me anyway if they are doing a champ.

I wonder if anyone would be interested in making a ghost guild for this very purpose? lol 20-30 ghosts running around talkin smack would be funny.To me at least.

 

[Tina Small]

To name just a few things:

• The ability to prove to a complete stranger that your bite IS at least as bad as your bark.
• The ability to attempt to part a stranger without his consent from some of his possessions.

The way i read that is, stop a player harrassing you...sh*t talk ends in a dirt nap for someone

and, re-stock(or not) on pots apples and trap boxes

I think what was meant was people moan that fellucca already has enough, some say too much, im merely asking that what apart from ps's would trammies want that fel has??

If its the 2 you said...then why dont they come to fel

If both of the options I listed were removed from Fel, would you still spend much of your time there?

 

[Mythic]

Ok so I only got about halfway threw the thread before I had a couple Ideas you could pick apart. Let the reds go to trammel, but you could make all of trammel guarded, Reds could participate in doom and other peerless, but are freely attacked. This solves 2 problems. FUN for reds and the blues that are balsy enuff to attack, and Buh Bye to a lot of scripters farming who arent paying enough attention to scream for the guards, Uhm might completely limit any PvP combat inside banks and houses and other instituitions throughout though to keep the banksitters happy and the GMs could locate the unattended easier. Wow does this make sense It does in my head anways!

 

[RichDC]

If both of the options I listed were removed from Fel, would you still spend much of your time there?

I would yes because im soley there for the Ps's and replicas, unfortunatly that is ending up becoming more PVP than PvM. So if i couldn't loot people i wouldnt truly care, in fact id go more often(if thats possible) because then the ps's/sot's/replicas(before insured) would be unobtainable by my killer.

I kinda like the let all reds go to trammel...that would be funny as hell have a group of reds go to doom and have the whole shard come down on them and gank!

 

[Tina Small]

I would yes because im soley there for the Ps's and replicas, unfortunatly that is ending up becoming more PVP than PvM. So if i couldn't loot people i wouldnt truly care, in fact id go more often(if thats possible) because then the ps's/sot's/replicas(before insured) would be unobtainable by my killer.

I guess this would explain why you jumped into factions and play on Siege.

 

[RichDC]

Siege is different, its more fun building a character there not just your grinding skills, its a whole new challenge + try making money when you cant sell anything to NPC vendors...siege is a whole new challenge without PvP.

Factions i went on my thief on Prodo as there isnt really much to steal cept the sigs. The rush of escaping still does get my pulse racing! No pvp on an wrestle alchy thief though.

 

[ColterDC]

Just amazing. That is all. (wonders to self why this guy even posted about a game that he hates so much)

Two reasons......

1. Nice cushy management job that involves simply babysitting people and queues.

2. UO is like that sweet little innocent child who unfortunately grows up to be a crack *****. I keep hoping one day it will get it's $hit together and remove all the cheating piles of pond scum that currently infest it.

Until then I will continue to remind everyone just how far this game has fallen.

 

[Tina Small]

Siege is different, its more fun building a character there not just your grinding skills, its a whole new challenge + try making money when you cant sell anything to NPC vendors...siege is a whole new challenge without PvP.

Factions i went on my thief on Prodo as there isnt really much to steal cept the sigs. The rush of escaping still does get my pulse racing! No pvp on an wrestle alchy thief though.

I guess you and I must have different ideas about what constitutes "PvP."

 

[red sky]

Speedhacking is a much worse form of cheating and a far bigger problem for UO as a whole IMO

Speedhacking ruins alot more peoples game play than script resource farming, again just my opinion

Unfortunately, I do not see any true way to get rid of this "speed hacking" you talk of. The only real speed hack in UO (that I know of) involves overclocking your CPU, having a nice computer and a great connection. Anyone who does not have these and plays against someone who does will definitely be at a disadvantage. The KR client also has a nifty built in type of speed gadget. I cannot get used to the interface to utilize it though. So unless you have what I stated and are getting totally left in the dust, then you probably have a false accusation on this dark nemesis that you believe exists. Proof always helps too if you truly believe there is an evil program out there. Again, I do not support cheating and it ruins the game but I do have an expensive, overclocked CPU and players rarely outrun me if ever. Your shard ping greatly affects how you fair in the lines of speed as well if you did not already know. And yes, I realize how annoying someone can be if they out run you. I used to use DSL and I would have to stop playing when I encountered players that seemed to speed hack. I know a person who plays this game on dial up and I can't figure out how they manage to play. I can walk on the ground with no mount and out run them when they are in full trot on their ethereal. That is serious determination if you ask me. Oh, and they only play in fell, in factions as well. They don't have very high punkte though as you can imagine.