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NEWS Siege Perilous Meet and Greet

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Siege Perilous Meet and Greet

Posted on August 8, 2016 by Mesanna
Greetings all,

We are sorry for the misunderstanding in the scheduling of the Dev Meet and Greet. We will be holding the Meet and Greet tonight 8/8 at 9 pm ET. The location is in Serpent’s Hold at the Counselor Hall aka The War Room. We have placed a moongate to the location near the Luna Moongate.

Hope to see you tonight.

UO Team
 

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If you don´t plan on fighting anything, just go naked with a robe on.
That way you´ll lose nothing if you should happen to die for whatever reason.
 

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I will have the transcript posted shortly :)
 

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I find it interesting that the Stratics RoC has to redact things that devs say:

Mesanna says: yes ( Redacted per Stratics RoC ) has to catch up
 

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It sure was a great meeting, glad I successed wake up 2:45 am and get eyes somewhat open. Then after 2 hours, back in bed to sleep 2 hours, up again, grap a Coop of coffee and a piece of breat with eyes just enough open to drive to work.
But I made it :p
 

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I missed this , did it amount to anything ?
Basically they won't add anything special for siege, and they will turn on VvV (as they are on regular shards) if people email them enough.
 

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Yes I feer we will get this VvV artifacts with ovner tag as on other shards, that will be very bad, they have to be useable for all, VvV or not and cursed
 

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Glad to see the transcript as it is very difficult to make these things living on the West Coast of the U.S.

Thank you for reporting! It looks like no rash decisions will be made, happy to hear.
 

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Basically they won't add anything special for siege, and they will turn on VvV (as they are on regular shards) if people email them enough.
Could go the other way too, but IMO Mesanna was a little ticked about this as she referred to the fact that she gave Siege what they wanted and now there are a few that want it the other way. Quoting a poll on Stratics means very little as Stratics does not include all UO Siege players and to those that want this now be very careful what you wish for because the next time you ask to get something changed you may not get what you want. The next time you may get this, Why should we change anything when just down the road you gonna cry and want it changed again, I think we will just leave it as is.
 

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Glad to see the transcript as it is very difficult to make these things living on the West Coast of the U.S.

Thank you for reporting! It looks like no rash decisions will be made, happy to hear.
6PM PST is not difficult as most people are eating or just got done eating at this time,unless you live in LA and then you are on/in the I-5 parking lot trying to get home after getting off at 4PM, LOL and yes I use to live there, so glad I got out.
 

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Could go the other way too, but IMO Mesanna was a little ticked about this as she referred to the fact that she gave Siege what they wanted and now there are a few that want it the other way. Quoting a poll on Stratics means very little as Stratics does not include all UO Siege players and to those that want this now be very careful what you wish for because the next time you ask to get something changed you may not get what you want. The next time you may get this, Why should we change anything when just down the road you gonna cry and want it changed again, I think we will just leave it as is.
I'd rather leave it as is than put them in unaltered. Sadly, as I suspected, they aren't willing to entertain any "siege only" changes, and in fact seemed to find the notion of wanting such changes comical. Sort of defeats the purpose of having a separate ruleset if you make no effort to maintain its separation.
 

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I wanted to be there but missed it, and noticed that no one pressed them on why we dont get a Felucca luck bonus. So I sent an email instead asking about Felucca Luck, Perfection Luck, Double resources and Frostwood being added to Merchant/Dread ships. We shall see if it produces a positive outcome.
 

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I'd rather leave it as is than put them in unaltered. Sadly, as I suspected, they aren't willing to entertain any "siege only" changes, and in fact seemed to find the notion of wanting such changes comical. Sort of defeats the purpose of having a separate ruleset if you make no effort to maintain its separation.
I kind of got the idea that Mesanna was not pleased with this at all because of bending over backwards and turning them off for Siege and now Siege wants, well some of Siege and a new guild to Siege, want them back on and to top it off they want special changes to the items for Siege only. IMHO these items are no different than the Faction items that they replaced and in most cases are better than the ones that the normal player base gets, why is that, they should be no different, better/worse, then what everybody else has. This is sadly like the DEVs trying to entice everyone back to FEL and look how that turned out.
 

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6PM PST is not difficult as most people are eating or just got done eating at this time,unless you live in LA and then you are on/in the I-5 parking lot trying to get home after getting off at 4PM, LOL and yes I use to live there, so glad I got out.
Haha, yes you know my area well.

Actually I guess I misread the time, 6:00 is not a bad time, you are right. For some reason I thought it ended up being at 1:00 and should have double checked.
 

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Haha, yes you know my area well.

Actually I guess I misread the time, 6:00 is not a bad time, you are right. For some reason I thought it ended up being at 1:00 and should have double checked.
I know it all to well, left there in 73 and never looked back. San Fran sadly is getting there, maybe it is time to move again.
 

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I don't think having artifacts that only the owner can use will go over very well. does anyone remember all the bickering about "sell backs?"

If this is the case people should be advised to send emails saying leave as is.
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I have these items on Baja. I cannot use them, this is what they will get if VvV comes to Siege, Items that can be Siege Blessed and not usable by anyone else.
 
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Of this 4 item you show here, I doubt I would use any of them.

I had been thinking, it look like Mesanna is not going to remove owner only on them or the VvV only, seem like with the second house, it is a yes or no.
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My answar to the VvV artifacts is a big yes, add them on Siege

The Owner tag, in the past, buy back was a pain, however with Vendor Search, it may not be so bad now. You die and lose your item. You use Vendor Search to see if the killed did put it on a vendor and go bye it back.
Sure if you are in bad standing with the community, someone will try to stop you get them back, maybe buy and trash them. Maybe it is not that bad at all, as we still do have Player Justice on Siege. :).

The VvV only tag, I would like to see it removed. The char do still have to hang out in town, do alters or Sigel to get the item. Being VvV is not as hard as it was being faction. Less statloss, stat loss remover. Not many choose to be red now, so I guess they mostly will be used vs other VvV anyway.

Fel bonus,the +1000 luck bonus and the 2x ressource bonus on all facets, this will be good in many ways as it will make crafted suit cheaper as farmers and garthres will get more gems, more big Essences and other imbuing resources. That will make the crafted suit way cheaper, we saw that, when relic dropped from 20k to 1-2k and low mana cost become a standard on medium level suits. The bonus will also make the items from loot more useable, however Resist will still be a mega problem

Add 15% basis resist on New Loot and Crafted items on Siege, that will help the balance vs VvV items, as VvV items are way easier to put together to a 5x70 resist suit. 15% extra basis resist together with Fel bonus will make players hunt overland and lower dungeons levels again, as a new player or a poor player would be able to put together a useable suit.

The Imbalance
, in the past, we did not have New Loot, Reforging and Imbuing. I believe if Siege got Fel bonus,the +1000 luck bonus and the 2x ressource bonus on all facets, it would help the balance a lot. If Devs then go on looking on old Artifacts, and make new craftable artifacts, using the old ones as we have seen with 2 of them in Pub 94 it all will work out well. If VvV only are removed from the items but Owner tag stay, all do have a chance to get them. To keep them, you still need to be respected :p

Recall, if added with a delay like randum 10-20 sec, where you can't get interrupted, it would not hurt al all, ir remove the need for magery to gate, so it work like gating to a boat, then we can still follow the one who try to escape.

Lets bring the fun back on Siege and remove some of the pain.

I got to where I are going to say yes let us have the VvV artifacts as I believe it will be better than nothing. If someone cheat, trash their items or Lock them down on your roof as tropies.

Thanks for helping us bring PvP back to Siege. I know the crafters and PvM'ers are a little scared, they had been safe for long time, but they will be ok.
The last years have showing, the crafters and PvM'ers survive just fine.

This are what I did send to Mesanna, you may not agree with me, but that is my opinion, send yours to Mesanna
 
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I have these items on Baja. I cannot use them, this is what they will get if VvV comes to Siege, Items that can be Siege Blessed and not usable by anyone else.
If you dont participate in VvV then why do you think you should be able to use them? If anything the players that want the useable by all tag are the ones that want something for nothing. This system is different than factions. You cant just farm monsters for silver, and you cant just buy silver from another player. You will have to risk your suit claiming towns to EARN the items. If any shard should have gotten them, it should have been Siege. As it is this system is pointless here. Im sure there are plenty of players that used the faction arties by buying silver and not pvping. You can not do that now. There should be rewards to keep you pvping, and help to replace stuff should you lose it. If nothing else this system promotes pvp to get the items.
 

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You will have to risk your suit claiming towns to EARN the items.
They do not need to risk their suit if running sigels, special not in peaceful times at the day. At some times a day, they can easy claim alters too on a naked char.

I do believe, adding this items would make more life in the battle towns.

Now the question, should we keep the owner tag but let players keep using the items if they leave VvV?

I would say yes, as each char would have to do towns to get his items and redo towns if he lose them. I believe that would be a fair solution.
 

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Sorry there will be no buy back if I was to get such an item here it will go in the trash for the reward points. The items I have on Baja are in a box waiting for a friend to pick up and bring to Sonoma, there my blacksmith will throw them away, I do this with ever arty I get on other shards, I bank it till a time when I can transfer it.

I rather throw any such item away for the points then sell it back. And if you look at the front of my house it currently has four of the VvV banners that my Archer has earn. There are a lot of pictures showing that I have played VvV here, I just don't/didn't do it every day and I did the fractions as well long before insurance on Sonoma. I can show you the character there and her black war horse.

I also sent a email to Mesanna asking they do not bring these items to Siege, they are not needed to have fun PvP and all it is going to do is get a lot of people super angry when they are dropped and looted. I still have a tunic, two PS and two primer I took off a Hi5 member, the tunic will go into a suit for Zardoz, the PS I am saving for a date when I need them for me or a friend, same for the primers.

I am glad she said no to recall on Siege. My archer has enough magery to use a gate scroll, and if that is looted I can log in the mage to send the archer a gate. Just put magery on your char and carry gate scroll :p

I was on Baja yesterday for training my tamer and getting two good GDs, thank you Lord Frodo. I played on Great Lakes last night (Royal Spy stuff) My tamer and GD had a lot of fun there, thank you Lord TOTO. Today I will be once more training my crafters here in arms lore and tinker.
 

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I kind of got the idea that Mesanna was not pleased with this at all because of bending over backwards and turning them off for Siege and now Siege wants, well some of Siege and a new guild to Siege, want them back on and to top it off they want special changes to the items for Siege only. IMHO these items are no different than the Faction items that they replaced and in most cases are better than the ones that the normal player base gets, why is that, they should be no different, better/worse, then what everybody else has. This is sadly like the DEVs trying to entice everyone back to FEL and look how that turned out.
The issue of course is that all the tram based changes hit our shard unaltered and effect how we play, so things change over time, and needs change as well. I really don't get why they can't see the damage that has been done by the bleed over as legit, and in need of some correction, VvV or something else siege specific.
 

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Sorry there will be no buy back if I was to get such an item here it will go in the trash for the reward points. Bla bla bla
No wonder someone enjoy looting you with that attitude.

I won't have problems with selling back as I do not loot. :p
 

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The issue of course is that all the tram based changes hit our shard unaltered and effect how we play, so things change over time, and needs change as well. I really don't get why they can't see the damage that has been done by the bleed over as legit, and in need of some correction, VvV or something else siege specific.
Your right. There are a lot of things that get added without any thought of Siege, but most of the content people agree with and wouldnt want to lose it. Seems to me there should be a focus group for all the content before it goes live on Siege so people can complain to have it left out.
 

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I fear we will only get the Artifacts as they are on other shards and nothing else. As PvP is dead on Siege it can only be better, it can't be worse. I don't believe the PvP'ers will use a lot of time to find PvM'ers doing hunt somewhere if there are other PvP'ers to fight.
 

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The issue of course is that all the tram based changes hit our shard unaltered and effect how we play, so things change over time, and needs change as well. I really don't get why they can't see the damage that has been done by the bleed over as legit, and in need of some correction, VvV or something else siege specific.
This is an outstanding idea in principle but will never work in real, take for example of the pre-Tram shard idea and how many different versions there were and then people wanted things that came into the world after Tram was born. The DEVs are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this. Everybody thinks with a flip of a switch things happen, just ask them. I fully understand the deeds and desires of Siege but there needs to be a limit on special needs, we only have so many DEVs left and IMHO they are stretched thin now a days. If you could get %100 of the Siege players to agree then you would have done something nobody else has ever done and I do not mean just the people that post here. I know why there are certain people here that want this so bad, it is so they have more loot when they dry loot all the players just like the people that almost destroyed UO back in the day.
 

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"If you don't participate in VvV then why do you think you should be able to use them?"

let me put the question back to you.
If I'm not in VvV and kill you why can't I use your items?

The problem is this isn't trammel I can't chose not to be involved with VvV characters and if I do have to eventually fight a VvV person I think I deserve their loot.
 

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This is an outstanding idea in principle but will never work in real, take for example of the pre-Tram shard idea and how many different versions there were and then people wanted things that came into the world after Tram was born. The DEVs are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this. Everybody thinks with a flip of a switch things happen, just ask them. I fully understand the deeds and desires of Siege but there needs to be a limit on special needs, we only have so many DEVs left and IMHO they are stretched thin now a days. If you could get %100 of the Siege players to agree then you would have done something nobody else has ever done and I do not mean just the people that post here. I know why there are certain people here that want this so bad, it is so they have more loot when they dry loot all the players just like the people that almost destroyed UO back in the day.
I know it won't work. For it to work siege would have to get a regular dev review, and regular dev time to adjust, which obviously will never happen in 1000 years. :p
 

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"If you don't participate in VvV then why do you think you should be able to use them?"

let me put the question back to you.
If I'm not in VvV and kill you why can't I use your items?

The problem is this isn't trammel I can't chose not to be involved with VvV characters and if I do have to eventually fight a VvV person I think I deserve their loot.
Because im participating in a pvp system designed to promote pvp and im freely attackable by any player that is also participating? The devs will not put them back with any special needs for Siege, but if I had it my way id agree with you. if you kill a VvV participant wearing artifacts and you equip them you should stay orange untill you take them off. This would prevent people from farming up silver stealing sigs on a stealther and giving their items to their pvm char. Like I said they will not make special exceptions to the items so it doesnt matter.
 

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This is siege we are all freely attackable (outside guard zones) wether people are in VvV or not.

Who cares if people Pvm with artifacts? you can just as easily go kill the pvms and take their artifacts for free.

I agree they aren't going to change how the items work just for siege so my vote is no.
Just to be clear I'm all for the artifacts if they were usable by anyone. the way I see it if you earn the artifact by participating in VvV then I should be able to earn the artifact by killing you. I kind of get the feeling you agree with this point.

Anyways I'm not against you having artifacts but I'm against not being able to loot (and be able to use the loot) you if i kill you.
 
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