Should EA sell UO gold?

[Paps]

Pretty simple question.Should EA sell UO gold on its same website where you buy upgrades for your acc and tokens,ect.
It is not "should UO gold be sold period?" becuase private brokers have been selling UO gold for years.Some of them shady,some of them upstanding.
The question is "Should EA sell it?"

Feel free to debate this one,,,i could use the laughs.

 

[Damien Softstep]

Pretty simple question.Should EA sell UO gold on its same website where you buy upgrades for your acc and tokens,ect.
It is not "should UO gold be sold period?" becuase private brokers have been selling UO gold for years.Some of them shady,some of them upstanding.
The question is "Should EA sell it?"

Feel free to debate this one,,,i could use the laughs.

Honestly?They might as well everything they sell now get tranformend into gold anyways...

 

[A Rev]

Hmm, i cant vote yet need to think more about this one...

Its a tough question.

Part of me says yes they should to try and detract from the value of these gold selling sites hopefully helping to remove a big part of scripting.

The other part says no, EA should be looking for ways to remove gold from the game rather than keep putting it in.

 

[Splup]

I vote No, cause EA selling gold and Brokers selling gold have a bit different effect.

When Broker sells gold, that gold is something that someone has looted in game, it's something that has been "naturally generated", and it does not increase total amount of gold in this game. Gold just changes owner.

If EA sold gold, it would be "artificially generated" gold. It would increase the total gold pool in this game and speed up the inflation.

 

[Salya Sin]

I don't really care... so I voted accordingly... BUT it does seem stupid to me that they are trying to change the amount of gold in the game (per some thread on here about the new insurance costs... apparently there is too much gold in UO atm) but allow people to buy it in bulk? Just seems a mite silly....

 

[A Rev]

I vote No, cause EA selling gold and Brokers selling gold have a bit different effect.

When Broker sells gold, that gold is something that someone has looted in game, it's something that has been "naturally generated", and it does not increase total amount of gold in this game. Gold just changes owner.

If EA sold gold, it would be "artificially generated" gold. It would increase the total gold pool in this game and speed up the inflation.

To a certain extent i agree with you...but, if a scripter farms...lets just say ogre lords. The gold that would otherwise never be dropped has now been created by the killing of said monster. So in essence EA would be doing exactly the same thing as a scripter...just faster.

 

[Mapper]

To a certain extent i agree with you...but, if a scripter farms...lets just say ogre lords. The gold that would otherwise never be dropped has now been created by the killing of said monster. So in essence EA would be doing exactly the same thing as a scripter...just faster.

But its still naturally generated, If EA sold it, Its injecting gold into the game. More people would probably buy gold from EA because they feel safe compared to those who buy it from brokers currently - Again putting even more gold in this game we don't need!

 

[Beer_Cayse]

I'm torn enough I went for option 3 - don't care. I play to relax, thus really never have accumulated much wealth. However, having an extra 10-20 mil legitimately gotten from EA has benefits for me now and then.

I won't buy from brokers as I have no idea who is or is not reliable. With EA I have a phone number to call easily enough. But I also see the need to stem the flow of gold into the game ... <shrug>

Decisions, decisions.

 

[Eyes of Origin]

I dont care either way... brokers sell for between .40 and .99 a mil, depending on who it is... from what I have seen anyhow...

Would'nt this cause EA and the brokers to be in competition with each other though, thus raising the price of gold or even lowering the price even more?

 

[Llwyd]

Gold is easy enough to get in game. It would hurt UO in the long run if EA were to sell gold.

 

[Nine Dark Moons]

i voted yes, but if they did, then i also think they should start having NPC's sell some of the stuff that is only purchaseable from the uogamecodes store like name change tokens and anniversary items and house storage increase, and extra character slots, and access to the 9th anni housing tiles and SA housing tiles. to balance out the additional gold being added to the game. stuff that would be very helpful to players that don't have credit cards or can't get the uogamecodes store to work or prefer to buy stuff in game. if NPC's sold that stuff i'd buy it. just make the prices be equivalent in gold to what they cost at uogamecodes.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

It seems to me like UO has been progressing to a point where nothing is worth anything. Doom arties used to be highly sought after, faction arties replaced them. Great weapons and armor used to be extremely expensive, imbuing made them worthless. Event items (the properties on them) used to be extremely rare, replicas duplicated them. The way i see it EA has acquired this communistic mentality where they feel like everyone that plays UO should have equal gear, equal opportunity, equal items, equal skill, and overall equality among players. If this keeps up the question in this thread will become a moot point because gold won't matter anymore.

 

[Tek]

Even if UO sold gold, Brokers would undercut them and still sell. Gold has devalued so much it wouldn’t really be worth it for UO to do so.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Hail No!

For the love of all that is holy....Selling gold would ruin what's left of UO's economic game. They need to get control of the problems that are killing the economy, not add to it.

 

[Suzzy]

Considering how many scripters there are in the game, coupled with massive duping in the past, there is already way too much gold in the game as it is. From the changes made lately it looks like they want to produce gold sinks instead of adding more into the game.

 

[Paps]

It is not "should UO gold be sold period?" becuase private brokers have been selling UO gold for years.

I personally tell people to not buy gold.However people still buy it and will continue to buy it,regardless if its from a broker or EA.

So please stick to the real question.

 

[ACB1961]

k heres the deal

People are going to buy and sell gold. That's all there is to it.

The way it is now you can be banned for buying or selling gold according to the info we get from uhall.

I've got 12 years invested in this game. 10s of 1000s of hours of playing time. I can't afford to get banned plain and simple.

They either need to sell gold or allow us to buy and sell gold. The first time ea sold anything for rl money they couldn't take the high road any more. The worst thing they sold imo was advanced characters. That is soo much worse than selling gold. That said, just sell gold the game is already about how much money you have in rl or how many people you can band together for whatever scheme you can come up with whether its killing people in pvp or controlling spawns for rl profit. Believe this though, either way if people put 1/3 the effort into rl they put into making billions in this game they'd make much much more money for the amount of effort they put out. At best, uo is an incredibly low paying job with gold at .39 per million, .70-.75 per million if you are bad at buying it.

When you ask people here that make rl money from selling gold they are of course going to say no. The poll will be unbalanced because of personal biases, but I guess everything is.

 

[popps]

It seems to me like UO has been progressing to a point where nothing is worth anything.

I see this as a good thing for the game.

Why ?

Because then the game will perhaps be played more for the fun of playing it, and less to seek expensive items to sell for real money.

I have always opposed selling in game items for real money and I wished this had been opposed in UO from the beginning. Personally, I think UO would have been a much better game, at least for me.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

They do.

You pay 12.99 a month.

You go play the game and get gold to spend.

Dumbest idea ever.

Kill stuff, sell stuff, get Xmas gift - sell it.

Go play the game.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I see this as a good thing for the game.

Why ?

Because then the game will perhaps be played more for the fun of playing it, and less to seek expensive items to sell for real money.

I have always opposed selling in game items for real money and I wished this had been opposed in UO from the beginning. Personally, I think UO would have been a much better game, at least for me.

Argh
Man now you want to have to pay to play and pay for gold.
How about this. Play it for fun. Collect gold in game and spend it.
There is no need to buy gold. EVER.

If you want to buy it buy it. If you want to sell it sell it. BUT THERE is no need to. How does what others do ruin your game? Play and have fun.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

k heres the deal

People are going to buy and sell gold. That's all there is to it.

The way it is now you can be banned for buying or selling gold according to the info we get from uhall.

I've got 12 years invested in this game. 10s of 1000s of hours of playing time. I can't afford to get banned plain and simple.

They either need to sell gold or allow us to buy and sell gold. The first time ea sold anything for rl money they couldn't take the high road any more. The worst thing they sold imo was advanced characters. That is soo much worse than selling gold. That said, just sell gold the game is already about how much money you have in rl or how many people you can band together for whatever scheme you can come up with whether its killing people in pvp or controlling spawns for rl profit. Believe this though, either way if people put 1/3 the effort into rl they put into making billions in this game they'd make much much more money for the amount of effort they put out. At best, uo is an incredibly low paying job with gold at .39 per million, .70-.75 per million if you are bad at buying it.

When you ask people here that make rl money from selling gold they are of course going to say no. The poll will be unbalanced because of personal biases, but I guess everything is.

You cant be banned for selling items. You can be banned for advertising in game and selling items that way.

If you have friends, talk on ICQ and trade or sell.

Your right people are going to buy and sell and that is all there is to it. We cant do a thing. Buy play our style.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Hell why not just sell the items you going to buy with the gold.
Or give the items away.

Or let a new play become anything they want in a hour.


Dont lose sight of the game and time.

 

[popps]

At best, uo is an incredibly low paying job with gold at .39 per million, .70-.75 per million if you are bad at buying it.

That is something that always puzzled me.

In real life, it is not difficult to find jobs paying like 7-8 bucks an hour.
Now, at let's say 50 cents per UO million, that equals to like 14-16 millions per hour of work in UO.

In order to make at least the same money one could make in real life, one should be able to make about 15 millions for every hour of in-game work.

Perhaps this is possible, I do not know, I just find it quite difficult through regular game play. Scripting and duping, of course, are an entire different story.

But as far as regular game play is concerned, I think working in real life brings more money and also helps making real experience which may count towards other, future jobs.

Bottom line is, I would never ever even consider using my time in a game as a way to make revenues.

That's at least my personal point of view.

 

[popps]

Argh
Man now you want to have to pay to play and pay for gold.
How about this. Play it for fun. Collect gold in game and spend it.
There is no need to buy gold. EVER.

If you want to buy it buy it. If you want to sell it sell it. BUT THERE is no need to. How does what others do ruin your game? Play and have fun.

I feel it does hurt my game play and quite some.

I would have much preferred if in Ultima Online the sale of in game items for real money had been prohibited and opposed. I think UO would have been a much better game.

 

[popps]

Hell why not just sell the items you going to buy with the gold.
Or give the items away.

Or let a new play become anything they want in a hour.


Dont lose sight of the game and time.

The fun of PvP, the way I see it, is the challenge of fighting against another human being rather than an AI run MoB.

The more this human being is a match for me, the more there is a challenge in the fight since it will be open ended.

Therefore, allowing players to get up to competition level fastly means increasing the level of challenge in PvP for everyone.

That is, it means making the game more fun for everyone who PvP.
That's at least my view about it.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

The fun of PvP, the way I see it, is the challenge of fighting against another human being rather than an AI run MoB.

The more this human being is a match for me, the more there is a challenge in the fight since it will be open ended.

Therefore, allowing players to get up to competition level fastly means increasing the level of challenge in PvP for everyone.

That is, it means making the game more fun for everyone who PvP.
That's at least my view about it.

PvP isnt alway fair.
You as many do confuse an ARENA pvp with a game that has killers in it.

Wandering the land is dangerous. You dont know if youll run into a lame PK or a group of gankers.

If you want to fight someone as a human intelligence (which is fun) but equal skills then join a guild and PvP or go to PvP tournaments.

 

[UOKaiser]

To a certain extent i agree with you...but, if a scripter farms...lets just say ogre lords. The gold that would otherwise never be dropped has now been created by the killing of said monster. So in essence EA would be doing exactly the same thing as a scripter...just faster.

Still the guy would have to be ingame days at a time weeks even afk or a non scripter powergamer weeks same difference. Unlike Ea which all it has to do is say let there be gold and it just rains out of nowhere in a second. Besides monster hunting is one of the slowest ways to get gold in game.

 

[Mitzlplik_SP]

I voted NO just because its plain stupid for various reasons already posted.

Even if they did sell gold,it would require a working website to make such sales possible. That is FAR beyond the capabilities of the one armed ******** chimp thats in charge of the web maintenance and repairs of uo.gamecodes.com.

 

[UOKaiser]

I see this as a good thing for the game.

Why ?

Because then the game will perhaps be played more for the fun of playing it, and less to seek expensive items to sell for real money.

I have always opposed selling in game items for real money and I wished this had been opposed in UO from the beginning. Personally, I think UO would have been a much better game, at least for me.

Alot of the fun in a 11year old game is aquiring more.
They sell the gold for real money and we give the gold to the sellers to pay our multi account subscriptions, special items,upgrades,etc.. Kind of balance. Not sure who bothers buying the gold though but probably people who have more money than time.

 

[the 4th man]

I vote No, cause EA selling gold and Brokers selling gold have a bit different effect.

When Broker sells gold, that gold is something that someone has looted in game, it's something that has been "naturally generated", and it does not increase total amount of gold in this game. Gold just changes owner.

If EA sold gold, it would be "artificially generated" gold. It would increase the total gold pool in this game and speed up the inflation.

Then EA would be as bad as our government,right??

EA needs to outlaw the sale of gold by these little punks, I refuse to call some computer sitting loser, a broker.

 

[popps]

PvP isnt alway fair.
You as many do confuse an ARENA pvp with a game that has killers in it.

Wandering the land is dangerous. You dont know if youll run into a lame PK or a group of gankers.

If you want to fight someone as a human intelligence (which is fun) but equal skills then join a guild and PvP or go to PvP tournaments.

But why should pkillers or gankers have it easy then, without much a challenge ?

Wouldn't it be better for them also, if the players they met in the game where more a match to them such as to put up a good fight and be a fun challenge ?

I see definately way more pros in having players even up to the same competitive level than having a gap in between players levels.

Therefore, the more aid new players can get to "catch up" and close that gap to ensure a competitive PvP, the better for the game IMHO.

 

[HD2300]

i voted yes, but if they did, then i also think they should start having NPC's sell some of the stuff that is only purchaseable from the uogamecodes store like name change tokens and anniversary items and house storage increase, and extra character slots, and access to the 9th anni housing tiles and SA housing tiles. to balance out the additional gold being added to the game. stuff that would be very helpful to players that don't have credit cards or can't get the uogamecodes store to work or prefer to buy stuff in game. if NPC's sold that stuff i'd buy it. just make the prices be equivalent in gold to what they cost at uogamecodes.

Instead of scripters selling runic kits, EA can as a gold sink. Also NPCs should start selling expensive deco as a gold sink.

If scripters and gold sellers can profit, EA would profit even more by cutting out the middleman. It is bottom line profits.

More profit equals more development. Less profit equals zombieland.

 

[Viper09]

Doesn't matter to me. But in a way EA does sell gold. Just go buy some transfer tokens and sell them to players. They sell fast too

 

[Zambowow]

Gold is too easy to obtain these days, it would be pointless. Back when 1 million gold was $20 USD, would have made more sense, but now-a-days its common for us to have 25-150 million (or more) at any given time!

 

[Dermott of LS]

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No, just no.

EA selling gold is NO DIFFERENT than duping. Just because THEY get the $$$ does NOT make it any less destructive to the game.

 

[GarthGrey]

This topic is hilarious. The 24/7 players say Hell No!!! Because they have 400+million because they never leave the freaking house or log out. The players that don't get to play much say, Hell Yes!! because they don't have a UO Pot to pee in or a window to throw it out.

My favorite reply, "No it will ruin the game more than it is"...Translation: "No, you'll ruin my ability to make real life cash"...

 

[KalVasTENKI]

Pretty simple question.Should EA sell UO gold on its same website where you buy upgrades for your acc and tokens,ect.
It is not "should UO gold be sold period?" becuase private brokers have been selling UO gold for years.Some of them shady,some of them upstanding.
The question is "Should EA sell it?"

Feel free to debate this one,,,i could use the laughs.

No, because EA are D-bags and don't deserve any more of our money.
Let the players run the black market.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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I'm not a "24/7 player" (In fact have barely logged in at all lately), nor do I have "400 million" (at least not monetized... how much would 18 ore carts go for? ).

Anyway, I'm STRONGLY against the idea because the effect would be the same as duping... creating mass quantities of ingame gold out of NOTHING and OUTSIDE of normal ingame processes.

Gold is acquired by a player in UO in one of three ways:

1. Generated through gameplay such as PvM and crafting at a predetermined rate.
2. By exchanging pre-existing gold from one player to another in some fashion (either Vendor sales, player to player sales or even RMT gold sales)
3. Through the immediate creation of a set amount of gold OUTSIDE of gameplay mechanics

Which one would gold purchased through EA fall under?

1. Doesn't fit this one... the gold is created, but not within the confines of gameplay structure

2. It is not handed from one player to another

3. This. It's created out of nothing, outside of game mechanics, the only difference being not WHAT was done, but WHO did it.

You don't have to be a 24/7 player with hundreds of millions of gold to figure out this is a BAAAD idea.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Didnt read anything tbh...but what would we want an ANTI gold sink for? Take the damn stuff away...dont put more on the plate!

 

[Freelsy]

This topic is hilarious. The 24/7 players say Hell No!!! Because they have 400+million because they never leave the freaking house or log out. The players that don't get to play much say, Hell Yes!! because they don't have a UO Pot to pee in or a window to throw it out.

My favorite reply, "No it will ruin the game more than it is"...Translation: "No, you'll ruin my ability to make real life cash"...

This wins the "Dumbest Post Reward."

Just saying if this was to happen, we could delete all the lands besides Banks, Towns and open fields. There would be no reason to leave town and kill things.

Also, Popps said something about making people go out and enjoy the game more. How in the **** will this encourage people to go out and kill stuff? Yeah! lets go waist an hour of our life for no reason! Look, a nice piece of loot! sweet lets through it in the trash because it aint worth **** anymore!!


This post is full of fail and so are the newbie ass people that agree with this..holy ****!

 

[olduofan]

I say no but I'm sure the new head of the team will do it just B/C more peeps dont want gold 4sell

I wounder what ea will sell it for 10mil for a $1.99 that would really screw things up hmmm
she hard at it what a joke

 

[Tinsil]

wtf.. no way. not unless they get rid of the monthly subscription.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

This topic is hilarious. The 24/7 players say Hell No!!! Because they have 400+million because they never leave the freaking house or log out. The players that don't get to play much say, Hell Yes!! because they don't have a UO Pot to pee in or a window to throw it out.

My favorite reply, "No it will ruin the game more than it is"...Translation: "No, you'll ruin my ability to make real life cash"...

I can make a billion gold in a few hours doing nothing illegal...and yet my decision has little to do with my bank. I am against EA selling gold because there is already too much in the game, not because there is too much in my bank. It also defeats the idea of a self contained sandbox...

Without a reasonable gold sink in this game there is no reason to introduce MORE instant gold into the economy. So next time Garth, think first post second.

 

[HD2300]

This topic is hilarious. The 24/7 players say Hell No!!! Because they have 400+million because they never leave the freaking house or log out. The players that don't get to play much say, Hell Yes!! because they don't have a UO Pot to pee in or a window to throw it out.

My favorite reply, "No it will ruin the game more than it is"...Translation: "No, you'll ruin my ability to make real life cash"...

hahaha. Exactamundo. Here is a hint, in most real world Western jobs, you will get more per hour than 24/7ing UO. If EA sells gold, EA gets more of the pie or profits, which in turn means more UO development. A purer UO is a better UO, because greed is the cause of many problems like scripting, gold and item selling, hacking in UO.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

hahaha. Exactamundo. Here is a hint, in most real world Western jobs, you will get more per hour than 24/7ing UO. If EA sells gold, EA gets more of the pie or profits, which in turn means more UO development. A purer UO is a better UO, because greed is the cause of many problems like scripting, gold and item selling, hacking in UO.

Uh...you forget that there is no place for the gold to go. In the western world the *old* currency is taken out of circulation and replaced, not so with UO. I am all for it IF there is a method of taking more out than there is being put in. Until there is a way to do that...the idea is not only pointless but also destroys the economy in UO.

Greed has little to do with the equation for most people who disagree here, these people just understand game economics a bit better than you do.

 

[HD2300]

hahaha. Exactamundo. Here is a hint, in most real world Western jobs, you will get more per hour than 24/7ing UO. If EA sells gold, EA gets more of the pie or profits, which in turn means more UO development. A purer UO is a better UO, because greed is the cause of many problems like scripting, gold and item selling, hacking in UO.

Uh...you forget that there is no place for the gold to go. In the western world the *old* currency is taken out of circulation and replaced, not so with UO. I am all for it IF there is a method of taking more out than there is being put in. Until there is a way to do that...the idea is not only pointless but also destroys the economy in UO.

Greed has little to do with the equation for most people who disagree here, these people just understand game economics a bit better than you do.

You put in gold sinks like selling deco on NPCs, runics on NPCs. Create diminishing gold drop systems. Modify existing reward systems to reward players not scriptors. It is all contingent on putting in the gold sinks and redoing existing reward systems, which I am confident any capable developer can do.

Better chess players just dont think only about their next move, they think multiple moves ahead.

 

[UOKaiser]

You put in gold sinks like selling deco on NPCs, runics on NPCs. Create diminishing gold drop systems. Modify existing reward systems to reward players not scriptors. It is all contingent on putting in the gold sinks and redoing existing reward systems, which I am confident any capable developer can do.

Better chess players just dont think only about their next move, they think multiple moves ahead.

Put in deco value cheapens once you have it then it will be point less afterwards gold stays where it is. Put in runics and market for runics will be cheapened bod system destroyed. In turn valorite runic items will be worth less than 20k gold. More gold continues to flood UO from buying from them making gold valualess. The people who have plenty of gold over the years will buy everything they need at first,Once everyone from the rich to the poor has everything with little to no effort there be nothing to achieve nothing strive for,no market,no venders,no trades,no reason to pvm,no trammel, no reason to continue. Uo becomes a pvp-rpg only game which as you can see the emptyness of fellucia will not be enough to sustain it anymore. That will be the end of it.

 

[HD2300]

You put in gold sinks like selling deco on NPCs, runics on NPCs. Create diminishing gold drop systems. Modify existing reward systems to reward players not scriptors. It is all contingent on putting in the gold sinks and redoing existing reward systems, which I am confident any capable developer can do.

Better chess players just dont think only about their next move, they think multiple moves ahead.

Put in deco value cheapens once you have it then it will be point less afterwards gold stays where it is. Put in runics and market for runics will be cheapened bod system destroyed. In turn valorite runic items will be worth less than 20k gold. More gold continues to flood UO from buying from them making gold valualess. The people who have plenty of gold over the years will buy everything they need at first,Once everyone from the rich to the poor has everything with little to no effort there be nothing to achieve nothing strive for,no market,no venders,no trades,no reason to pvm,no trammel, no reason to continue. Uo becomes a pvp-rpg only game which as you can see the emptyness of fellucia will not be enough to sustain it anymore. That will be the end of it.

With NPC deco, it is not hard to create a new batch of 10 new deco items every 3 months, which means the previous deco items become rares.

With gold and runics, scriptor operations supply the majority of current player demands. At the moment, you can pay $10 per month for an account. That account can script say $400 of gold or runics. This $400 - $10 = $390, is potentially what EA is missing out on in profits. If I was EA, I would rather make $390 per month times the number of scriptors accounts shut down than $10 per month times the number of current scriptor accounts.

 

[kaio]

There are,
duped val hammer's
duped gold,
duped arties,
duped event items
etc
etc

No there was never looted 12331312313123 zillions of gold off monsters.
It was duped. EA deleted ½% of it along time ago, and made a big fuzz out of it.

So let EA sell all the gold they wan't. Atleast its not making local duper-joe rich.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

You put in gold sinks like selling deco on NPCs, runics on NPCs. Create diminishing gold drop systems. Modify existing reward systems to reward players not scriptors. It is all contingent on putting in the gold sinks and redoing existing reward systems, which I am confident any capable developer can do.

Better chess players just dont think only about their next move, they think multiple moves ahead.

Dude...you are talking chess...while playing checkers.