sexual content clearly is for M rating

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second, all my cases of the sims DO NOT have this, all mine say is T and game experience my change during online play.
I am waiting from ESRB for a clarification on this as I did contact them already yesterday. and would like to know why some say that and some DO NOT say that for the same game.

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Which ones do and which ones don't? Maybe it changed when "New and Improved" was released.

 

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*TTL*

I saw this post last night and decided to sleep on it to figure out how to formulate my reply.....after thinking about it and not giving a knee-jerk reaction my thoughts are this.

I can see the OP's concern, but I can also see the other sides position too. YES this issue needed to be tested to see if inappropriate/pornographic material could get through, but MIANAMES is right, this is a T rated game, and alot of Teens do play, and therefore I believe that the testing of this should have been limited to adults only. By not doing so they inadvertently gave teens permission to go seek out inappropriate material to make the content with, and whether for testing purposes or not, if I caught one of my kids making something like that, after having been given permission by an official company to do so I would be PISSED and his accounts and mine would be closed so fast EA's heads would spin. They have ppl's ages when accounts are made, I believe birthdates are part of registration, so they know who is under 18 and who is not, so I believe instead of Parizad making that blanket statement inviting anybody and everybody to do this, she should have either stated that it was limited to those 18+, or hand picked a select few that she KNEW were over 18 and had THEM make inappropriate stuff and try to submit it. That in my mind would have been a more appropriate and responsible way to do it. I realize teens don't *need* permission to go looking for or at pornographic materials, but I don't think giving them that permission even for a limited scope project is a good idea.

That's just my two simoleans worth on it......it's a moot point now because it's over and done with, and I don't think a big stink ought to be raised about it because hindsight is 20/20, but yeah, I think EA unintentionally up****ed again not thinking things through and doing them in the proper manner.

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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second, all my cases of the sims DO NOT have this, all mine say is T and game experience my change during online play.
I am waiting from ESRB for a clarification on this as I did contact them already yesterday. and would like to know why some say that and some DO NOT say that for the same game.

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Which ones do and which ones don't? Maybe it changed when "New and Improved" was released.

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Are all the cases printed in USA? Maybe those in UK and Europe have different text?

 

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RE: asking only those over 18 years to participate in the upload test. How does EA know the age of any player? (Answer: they don't.) I think they have to assume we are all 13 years of age or over, and we all know that is not the case.

 

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4. Teen content warnings listed on back of The Sims Online game box.
*Comic Mischief
*Mature Sexual Themes
*Mild Violence

FIRST i have the link already. second, all my cases of the sims DO NOT have this, all mine say is T and game experience my change during online play.
I am waiting from ESRB for a clarification on this as I did contact them already yesterday. and would like to know why some say that and some DO NOT say that for the same game.

The rating E has no barring since that is for everybody and E has never been brought to the issue the issue is between T and M rating, which is clarified in my original post (copied off the ESRB home page)

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1. Ok...this is *not* for The Sims offline games....this is for The Sims Online, a direct quote from rating label on the back of the original box (still has the original price sticker for $49.99, too

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2. I believe, that when you call teenagers, "children" or "kids", you are bringing the "E" rating into the discussion. Teens are not subject to the same ground rules or levels of protection, that children are, in games or on ratings evaluations.

3. The link was not for you, in particular, but for anyone that did not already have it.....since no one else in this thread had linked to the official ESRB site.

 

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second, all my cases of the sims DO NOT have this, all mine say is T and game experience my change during online play.
I am waiting from ESRB for a clarification on this as I did contact them already yesterday. and would like to know why some say that and some DO NOT say that for the same game.

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Which ones do and which ones don't? Maybe it changed when "New and Improved" was released.

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Are all the cases printed in USA? Maybe those in UK and Europe have different text?

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TSO was never released in the UK or Europe so any TSO boxes here have come from the States. The box I have (sent from the US) clearly says:

Teen Rated: Comic Mishief, Mature Sexual Themes, Mild Violence

Polly

 

[names]

I would like to address the point of some comments that keep being stated by adults or minors in threads about

it is only "the parents responsibility to ensure what their children do"

may I point out that not every parent attempts or is able for what ever reason to fulfill this duty'

so to those who draw a stand point "NOT MY RESPONIBILITY" by some to not care is a even sadder reflection about society.





this is not the ramblings of a deranged busybody but someone who has a legal obligation / duty , as well as my own personal feelings to care, what maybe happening in my society

that being said, if you still feel like looking the other way or not helping the weaker in your community fine...but do not ridicule those who do.

an attitude I dont like what I see , so I look away is a choice, everyones choice in fact.

the implications in this thread I believe is asking that those playing game REMEMBER, there are minors who may not be supervised whilst playing and whether a 'T' or not. we should all act in a responsible manner.

which is different from asking for sanitizing of the game play.

 

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As mine is from my ORIGINAL "THE SIMS ONLINE" boxes too. AS I believe we are talking of the ONLINE version, and yes I have more then one, since back in 2002 and 2003 you had to buy the game in order to have additional accounts, you could not download on line. which I will add are different packaging in colors, since the original was one color and 2 months later they made updated version for sale

as far as "naughty" is defined per the
merriam webster dictionary

naughty



Main Entry: naugh·ty
Pronunciation: \&amp;#712;no&amp;#775;-t&amp;#275;, &amp;#712;nä-\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): naugh·ti·er; naugh·ti·est
Etymology: Middle English noughti, from nought
Date: 14th century
1 aarchaic : vicious in moral character : wicked b: guilty of disobedience or misbehavior
2: lacking in taste or propriety

And once again E is not EVEN in question as to not try and confuse readers it is between T &amp; M WHICH I believe is the thread

 

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RE: asking only those over 18 years to participate in the upload test. How does EA know the age of any player? (Answer: they don't.) I think they have to assume we are all 13 years of age or over, and we all know that is not the case.

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That's not true. Birthdates are part of the registration process, so they know very well who is underage and who is not, as far as 18 goes, unless a person lies on that when they register, which some people did to appear over 13 when they are not, but I don't think they'd have done it to appear over 18 because you don't have to be 18 to play, and they could have made the announcement without giving anybody any time to go in and alter that date so they could falsify being over 18. Besides that, if they had hand picked individual people to test, then they'd KNOW who they were getting because Parizad in paritcular has been around for a long time, and she knows some of the players very well, so I am sure she knows a dozen or so people whom she has definite confirmation that they are over 18 and could have asked them specifically to test it, and if anybody had been caught doing it that wasn't asked to, then action could be taken against them.

Yes, it probably would have caused a stink of jealousy from those who were not hand selected, but at least the children would have been protected, and EA's backside would have been covered in case anybody DID try to make a big stink about kids being intentionally exposed to pornographic material. Not that I think they should raise the stink, but you know some people would try just because they could, so I think the drama caused by jealousy would be preferrable to what could have happened the other way.....it's just luck that it didn't in fact happen.

 

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And mine clearly does not state that

 

[Guest]

Good news from Luc:
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No need to continue to test our filters, they are working just fine. We disabled 47 objects that were too naughty.

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So everyone keep your naughty pictures to yourself.

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

Bless you, Carrie, for thinking people tell the truth about their age when they sign up. I would wager that most of the subscribers lied about being older or younger than their true age.

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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Good news from Luc:
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No need to continue to test our filters, they are working just fine. We disabled 47 objects that were too naughty.

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So everyone keep your naughty pictures to yourself.

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I'm expecting a new announcement setting forth a new fee structure -- we will be able to pay more to see the objects that Luc and Pari confiscated.

 

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Bless you, Carrie, for thinking people tell the truth about their age when they sign up. I would wager that most of the subscribers lied about being older or younger than their true age.

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I would wager that people who were not 13 did lie and say that they were 13 since you had to be 13 to play, but why would they lie and say they were 18 when there's no advantage to doing so, aside from this issue we're discussing now? I imagine some might still have done it, but I can't think of why they would have, since being an 'adult' in the game doesn't give you any privileges over being a kid.

You're probably right, that would probably be a sucker's bet for me if I took it, so I won't

but I just couldn't fathom a reason that someone would lie about their age, unless they were under 13, not 18.

It's all a moot point now, especially since Milton just posted that the testing period is over with, but I just wanted to say that I did feel MIANAMES had a legitimate concern this time even though I have disagreed with a number of things she's said in the past. Hindsight is always 20/20....maybe in the future if there's something else to test that deals with inappropriate content for youngsters they'll go about the testing a little differently based on the response from this.....I'm optimistic that maybe EA is starting to learn from their own mistakes, but then I'm not willing to WAGER on that either

 

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I agree with you totally on this one. Yes some would be upset, but yes what is the worse between two evils. I would not like to see hand picked on all aspects of game, but when it comes to the morality issues I would have to agree here.

Yes it is luck it didn't just happen. EA dev. so far has done a great job of filtering, but we all know glitches do happen.

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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I just wanted to say that I did feel MIANAMES had a legitimate concern this time.....I'm optimistic that maybe EA is starting to learn from their own mistakes, but then I'm not willing to WAGER on that either

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I agree. The value of discussions like these is that my attention is drawn to aspects I would otherwise have missed. I'm sure Parizad had no idea she was opening a hornet's nest with her comment, and when I laughed at it I had no idea there was anything untoward in her joke.

I am glad there are people who consider things that I don't. I appreciate that this thread has remained one of discussion of various views and has not degenerated into name calling. I'm learning from you all so I'm sure EA will, too.

 

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it is clear ea.. should take full resonsibilty for the fact different versions are in existence in packaging..... the marketing was down to them alone

maybe a response to answer this can be forth coming at some point from ea.

also the point of "T" rating , which I beleve mianames is attemting to have clarified by ESRB which is clearly different on cases. and I would hope stratics also pursue this in view of other games that they also review.

 

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It's all a moot point now, especially since Milton just posted that the testing period is over with, but I just wanted to say that I did feel MIANAMES had a legitimate concern this time even though I have disagreed with a number of things she's said in the past. Hindsight is always 20/20....maybe in the future if there's something else to test that deals with inappropriate content for youngsters they'll go about the testing a little differently based on the response from this.....I'm optimistic that maybe EA is starting to learn from their own mistakes, but then I'm not willing to WAGER on that either

I'm sitting here laughing but ty for this. Yes we don't always agree, but that is the beauty of being able to state our own opinions.

 

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I have the new and improved version too of the sims online so that don't explain it. (and they come in different packaging ((colors)) ) As you remember, in order to have additional accounts, we had to buy new games with the key code you just couldn't make an additional account back then. As I have wrote to ESRB to clarify why some of the sims on line games would say that and some wouldn't especially when no content of sex is mentioned in their (ESRB)claification of what is T sex comes in with the rating of M plus I may add, I called my children to see what theirs cases say on the sims on line and none of theirs say anything about sex neither. So this theory is out So this may say either ESRB is wrong, or EA goofed with proof reading before manufacturing some of the packages. (maybe)

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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I have the new and improved version too of the sims online so that don't explain it. (and they come in different packaging ((colors)) ) As you remember, in order to have additional accounts, we had to buy new games with the key code you just couldn't make an additional account back then. As I have wrote to ESRB to clarify why some of the sims on line games would say that and some wouldn't especially when no content of sex is mentioned in their (ESRB)claification of what is T sex comes in with the rating of M plus I may add, I called my children to see what theirs cases say on the sims on line and none of theirs say anything about sex neither. So this theory is out

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If you visit the EA TSO official site you will find the game advertised simply as "Teen; game experience may change during online play."

The fact that the box carries the ESRB "T" symbol signifies that the game is rated under the description of ESRB Teen (which definition has been posted earlier in this thread).

ESRB ratings are not static. They have changed over the years. It may be that the TSO boxes were printed at different times, subject to the ESRB recommendations that were in effect. Many significant changes happened in 2003/2004 which impacted the descriptors. Even the size and color of the "T" has been changed over the years by ESRB decision.

The bottom line is that T stands for Teen rating, and that rating signifies the ESRB current definition, even if the definition is not spelled out on the box.

Does that clarify?

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

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On the back of all my TSO cases it says

TEEN
Comic Mischief
Mature Sexual Themes
Mild Violence

Under the ESRB warning on the front it says

Game Experience May Change During Online Play.

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BTW, "Mature Sexual Themes" is a descriptor that has been discontinued by ESRB. It means you have packaging that is now extinct.

Over time the "T" rating descriptors change, but the rating for TSO remains the same.

 

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we will be able to pay more to see the objects that Luc and Pari confiscated

Maybe that is what 'premium' accounts will entail. But why pay to see naughty stuff when SL is available for free? Or is available to those with half-decent graphics cards. Sociolotron is another possibility. *contemplates EA-Land as a gateway to Sociolotron*

 

[imported_Dali Dalinza]

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*contemplates EA-Land as a gateway to Sociolotron*

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No, no, no. Do not contemplate further

 

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lol

 

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I would like to address the point of some comments that keep being stated by adults or minors in threads about

it is only "the parents responsibility to ensure what their children do"

<u>may I point out that not every parent attempts or is able for what ever reason to fulfill this duty'</u>

so to those who draw a stand point "NOT MY RESPONIBILITY" by some to not care is a even sadder reflection about society.





this is not the ramblings of a deranged busybody but someone who has a legal obligation / duty , as well as my own personal feelings to care, what maybe happening in my society

that being said, if you still feel like looking the other way or not helping the weaker in your community fine...but do not ridicule those who do.

an attitude I dont like what I see , so I look away is a choice, everyones choice in fact.

the implications in this thread I believe is asking that those playing game REMEMBER, there are minors who may not be supervised whilst playing and whether a 'T' or not. we should all act in a responsible manner.

which is different from asking for sanitizing of the game play.

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Soooo.... according to you, the rest of us have the responsibility, not only for everybody else's children, but also for ascertaining whether or not other parents are doing their job?
Are we to go from house to house interrogating parents about their child rearing methods? Do we give them a medal when they pass? Take their kids away if they fail?

There is no way to know beforehand if a person is a good parent without running them through some rigorous and unconstitutional psychological screening.
It is only when a dangerous/harmful situation presents itself that a person has a right or responsibility to even consider intervention - because a mistake in evaluating a situation can backfire and cause the very harm the 'good Samaritan' was trying to prevent.
We are NOT responsible for other's children... at least not to the degree you seem to think we are.

 

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We are NOT responsible for other's children... at least not to the degree you seem to think we are.

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Absolutely agree. It goes back to the routine example of, if you see a kid being bullied on the playground by other you go in and try to stop it. You don't walk up to every single bigger child on the playground and tell them to **** off because they have the potential to hurt that smaller individual.

When in game(this applies to anyone and not just 1 individual), and your on a lot and you see something promiscuous, naughty, demoralized or heinous on a CC image why not just IM the roomate on the lot and say something along the lines of "hey, I know the image was approved and all but just know there are minors in the game"....that way your not shoving it down a persons throat that its completely "wrong" or that immediate action should be taken to get rid of that image/person for creating it in the first place.

BTW, may wanna check out lot descriptions before entering a lot. I've noticed that people will write "filters please" or "adult content" ect. If you really do not want to believe those warnings, and still enter the lot only to find exactly what they were saying would be there you have no grounds to start judging the one who made it. Children will make their own decisions. Sometimes they are guided on a very tight leash by an overly excessive worried parent. Other times they are taught by their parents that certain things like porn/naughty images are bad and they should not look at them and yet they WILL still go look because they are simply kids and they are curious of why mommy says no.

 

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We are NOT responsible for other's children... at least not to the degree you seem to think we are.

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I agree with that.....to a point. This is always an issue I've had with the game, playing around little kids. Not talking about 15s and up, but younger than that. No, you're not responsible for anybody else's kids, but when I know there are kids in the room where I am in game, I act differently than I might if it is all adults, just out of respect. If I still had small children I certainly would not want somebody else to act like a complete ass around them on purpose unless they did not see them in the room or did not realize they were there or something.....because of that, I give other people's children the same respect. Yeah, those kids have probably already been exposed to that before, but they're not gonna be exposed to it by *me* if I can help it. That's just my conscience.

But this is a different issue. EA is a business, a corporation, and I think it is completely irresponsible of them to open the door for kids to search for and view pornographic material to create to 'test' that feature. I think as a company they have a greater responsibility to censor those kinds of things from children's eyes than we do as individuals. Yes, they are going to do that in the game, that was the whole reason for the test, but it just seems stupid to realize that its not appropriate for the game, but not realize that its not appropriate to even temporarily allow it for 'testing' purposes. There are many other ways they could have and should have tested this rather than giving children free reign, even for those couple days, to seek it out and use it, especially without getting the permission of their parents. IF their parents said it was OK, then I still wouldn't agree with it, but it'd be a matter of me not having any right to tell somebody else how to raise their children.....but they didn't get parental consent for the kids to play in TC3, and they didn't get parental consent for kids to participate in this particular test that was specifically for material that was already deemed inappropriate for children in the first place. It just seems like logic to me, although it would have been more work, it would have earned them some major 'brownie points' in alot of parents eyes as far as watching out for their young subscribers, whereas what they did could have COST them subscribers, and still might.

In short, I think 'I'm not responsible for someone else's kid' is a copout. No, you're not responsible for someone else's kid, you're responsible for your actions around that kid and the influence that you have on them......whether or not they'd have gotten that same influence from someone else is completely irrelevant. You're still accountable for it if it comes from you. That's my opinion.

 

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YOU go girl

 

[names]

if you take the time to look you should have seen it is everyones choice and that is the point.

you have the right to look the other way but dont ridicule someone for raising the point that minors play this "t" rated game and may not be supported at all times.

so yes, you should have the moral obligation as we all do whether you agree is your choice in how you play is a matter for your conscience, and nobody else's

 

[calvinscreeksim]

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In short, I think 'I'm not responsible for someone else's kid' is a copout. No, you're not responsible for someone else's kid, you're responsible for your actions around that kid and the influence that you have on them......whether or not they'd have gotten that same influence from someone else is completely irrelevant. You're still accountable for it if it comes from you. That's my opinion.

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So would you agree that saying "filters please" or "adult content" or anything else that gives a forewarning on a house bio or sims bio is a relevant statement in acknowledging that you are taking some responsibility for the actions you have taken in uploading content?

 

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So would you agree that saying "filters please" or "adult content" or anything else that gives a forewarning on a house bio or sims bio is a relevant statement in acknowledging that you are taking some responsibility for the actions you have taken in uploading content?

Since you addressed this to me, even though I did not say it, but wish i had. Actually, THIS is a T rated game still at this point in time, so at this point No I would not agree. If you have read my posts, I said this PART of CC should have waited until EA changed the rating (if this is still their intention) or a warning should have been made stating, EA will not tolerate any form of filth, or pron and would be dealt with accordingly. Again T rating is the key here. Warning of adult content IS NOT even questionably since this is not a M NOR A RATED game.

 

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In short, I think 'I'm not responsible for someone else's kid' is a copout. No, you're not responsible for someone else's kid, you're responsible for your actions around that kid and the influence that you have on them......whether or not they'd have gotten that same influence from someone else is completely irrelevant. You're still accountable for it if it comes from you. That's my opinion.

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So would you agree that saying "filters please" or "adult content" or anything else that gives a forewarning on a house bio or sims bio is a relevant statement in acknowledging that you are taking some responsibility for the actions you have taken in uploading content?

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Some, yes, but not enough. The warning does help if parents are watching they can keep their kids away from your property, but you are still acting a certain way within a game that is rated Teen that is inappropriate for children's eyes, so even though you've put the warning on it, you still bear some blame there. I don't feel there should be anywhere within a game rated Teen that is inappropriate for teens, even young teens, to be......warning or not. Yes, there are adults playing this game, but the adults all knew when they signed up that they were basically signing up for a kids game, and therefore I think we as adults have a responsibility to act in a way that is appropriate for kids to be around. At least with things as simple as swearing there are the filters that can be activated so that the kids do not see the swear words even though they know what they are, but for other inappropriate conversations that the filter doesn't catch, or this pornographic CC that was allowed to be submitted in this 'test' the filters will not help. If adults don't think they can act responsibly around children then I think they should be in an environment that is 18+ so that they don't have to deal with the children at all, or if children show up they can have them tossed per the game's ToS. And there are many more online games that are strictly for adults than there are that are rated T, so I don't think those adults would have much trouble finding amother game to go to.

 

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if you take the time to look you should have seen it is everyones choice and that is the point.

you have the right to look the other way but dont ridicule someone for raising the point that minors play this "t" rated game and may not be supported at all times.

so yes, you should have the moral obligation as we all do whether you agree is your choice in how you play is a matter for your conscience, and nobody else's

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Your so-called point is ridiculous - you are not talking about "choice", you are talking about your moral standards and how they are superior.
You don't want porn in the game, but you don't want tests to be run in order to keep it out.
You complain about minors being encouraged to submit porn, even though nobody has done that.
You are scandalized that someone makes a <u>joke</u> about the subject!

Why bother with a "T" rating at all?? Why not go directly to "E". Hell, why don't we just shut the game down??

 

[calvinscreeksim]

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And there are many more online games that are strictly for adults than there are that are rated T, so I don't think those adults would have much trouble finding amother game to go to.

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Why can't the children go to another game if this particualr Teen rated game is still a bit to much for their eyes to handle? Isn't there plenty of other childrens games out there were a parent can send them to and feel that they comepletely shielded from anything that could potentially result in a "mommy whats that?".

 

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Why should they when parents buy this game thinking because it is rated T by the ESRB and safe for their children. Being a T rated game they should not have to go elsewhere. Maybe EA should reconcider the rating of this game? What is the balance of acceptability?

 

[calvinscreeksim]

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Why should they when parents buy this game thinking because it is rated T by the ESRB and safe for their children. Being a T rated game they should not have to go elsewhere. Maybe EA should reconcider the rating of this game? What is the balance of acceptability?


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Is a T rated war based game the same as a T rated cartoon game? If its any online game you should know ahead of time that adults will always be there, and it is inevitable that sex will appear in some form or another. In an online war game that is rated Teen you should know prior to buying that you will be seeing gore and blood amongst other things.

Acceptability is based upon the player themselves, if they do not like something about it they either will avoid that portion OR they could remove themselves altogether. A parent who has taught their child about different sexual material that could be out there and still lets them play an online game is different from a paranoid parent that buys a game thinking its morally correct on all aspects of child rearing and that others should be doing anything they can to "keep it clean" just because it says "Rated T for Teen". I believe you have said that it will be a never ending task of keeping this material from children so why continue bringing up the point when its up to a parent to decide if they will allow their children to partake in a game or not.

 

[Guest]

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No, you're not responsible for anybody else's kids, but when I know there are kids in the room where I am in game, I act differently than I might if it is all adults, just out of respect.

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I guess that's where some people differ. I don't "act" differently around anyone, I am who I am. I mean really, what do you do differently when minors are present as opposed to being around adults? Perhaps that's best left unanswered...

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But this is a different issue. EA is a business, a corporation, and I think it is completely irresponsible of them to open the door for kids to search for and view pornographic material to create to 'test' that feature.

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How did they "open the door"? What if EA told kids to steal money out of moms purse? Most (I hope) wouldn't because they know it's wrong. Just because EA asked players to do something, people (including minors) still have a choice to do it or not.EA at no time told kids to search for and view porn. Some of you are taking what Parizad said and twisting it around to serve as a platform for your holier than thou soapbox sermons.

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There are many other ways they could have and should have tested this rather than giving children free reign, even for those couple days, to seek it out and use it, especially without getting the permission of their parents.

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Really? Maybe you should share with the devs these many other ways they could test the game. Again, EA didn't force anyone to do anything. If a child has free reign with their online activities, it falls back on the child's parents, not EA.

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but they didn't get parental consent for the kids to play in TC3, and they didn't get parental consent for kids to participate in this particular test that was specifically for material that was already deemed inappropriate for children in the first place.

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Parental consent was given when they allowed their child to sign up for the game.

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It just seems like logic to me, although it would have been more work, it would have earned them some major 'brownie points' in alot of parents eyes as far as watching out for their young subscribers, whereas what they did could have COST them subscribers, and still might.

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I guess with this attitude that is how holicost, Jonestown, and how many more was allowed to happen

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What a disgusting accusation.
I would suggest that your attitude is more indicative of the Inquisition than anybody else's is of the Holocaust.

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Donovan I completely agree that it is horrible that she used that example.

Oh my god Mianames....your comparing actual world changing events to a child seeing some form of naughty material? Over 80million people lost their lives in those events because of invidiuals who believed they were superior, the best and above all else....and your worried that a child in their teens will see something that they WILL eventually be exposed to just a "bit to early"? You actually believe that because not everyone will jump onto the bandwagon and want to rally against any form of reality pertaining to sexuality or any other factual matierial, that this is the reason for mass genocide? Thats unbelievable.

 

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Oh my god Mianames....your comparing actual world changing events to a child seeing some form of naughty material? Over 80million people lost their lives in those events because of invidiuals who believed they were superior, the best and above all else....and your worried that a child in their teens will see something that they WILL eventually be exposed to just a "bit to early"? You actually believe that because not everyone will jump onto the bandwagon and want to rally against any form of reality pertaining to sexuality or any other factual matierial, that this is the reason for mass genocide? Thats unbelievable.

Excuse me isn't this kind of the same adults thinking they are superior? NO I am not worried they will see, I raised my children and am full aware they see things everyday, again my concern is this IS a T rated game and anybody not just minors should not be encouraged to submit any form of 'naughty/porn. Maybe shocking some is the only way to make some open their eyes, but again it seems to go by the wasteland. Maybe my signature should say THIS IS A T RATED GAME PLEASE ALL REMEBER THAT

 

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To me the word "naughty" would fall under a "suggestive theme". No one was asked specifically to submit porn. I am mature enough to understand that Parizad was making a joke when she commented on ugly porn and was not specifically asking anyone to send her good looking porn.

Over the past 5 years I have played along side many players that were 13 years old. Hell, I've helped raise at least a dozen. I have been exposed to more suggestive themes and adult language by these teens than most adults in game.

I want to see systems put in place to protect me! I am grateful to anyone that had the nerve to test the filters.

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I think that the joke is what took things a tad too far for some people since there could have been kids that read it and took it as a challenge.

Over the yrs. I have know more than a few kids playing that were as young as 8 yrs old, with parents too darn busy to care what their kid was doing as long as they were in their rooms being quiet.

 

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and I believe in a T rating based by ESRB it states clearly there can be some violence and minimal blood

Acceptability is based upon the player themselves, yes, but it is also the responsibilty of EA NOT to allow ANYTHING that is not accepted in a T rated game.

 

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Excuse me isn't this kind of the same adults thinking they are superior? NO I am not worried they will see, I raised my children and am full aware they see things everyday, again my concern is this IS a T rated game and anybody not just minors should not be encouraged to submit any form of 'naughty/porn. Maybe shocking some is the only way to make some open their eyes, but again it seems to go by the wasteland. Maybe my signature should say THIS IS A T RATED GAME PLEASE ALL REMEBER THAT

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EA at no time told kids to search for and view porn. Some of you are taking what Parizad said and twisting it around to serve as a platform for your holier than thou soapbox sermons

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Bless you, Carrie, for thinking people tell the truth about their age when they sign up. I would wager that most of the subscribers lied about being older or younger than their true age.

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I would wager that people who were not 13 did lie and say that they were 13 since you had to be 13 to play, but why would they lie and say they were 18 when there's no advantage to doing so, aside from this issue we're discussing now? I imagine some might still have done it, but I can't think of why they would have, since being an 'adult' in the game doesn't give you any privileges over being a kid.

You're probably right, that would probably be a sucker's bet for me if I took it, so I won't

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I know a few that didnt want to be treated like a kid so they lied about their ages, thats just one of a few reasons.

 

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EA at no time told kids to search for and view porn. Some of you are taking what Parizad said and twisting it around to serve as a platform for your holier than thou soapbox sermons

Thats where your wrong, EA did ask to send , in lucs blog I believe it was as Gilly that posted the link in another thread, did ask to send it all in including naughty. since all were asked not just adults **reminder reminder** this is a rated T game . Again if you bothered to read all my words, As an adult what was said by an EA dev. as an adult i find it funny with the asking of porn not to be ugly but not at a minors expense. this part of CC should have been held off or dev. should have tested the 'naughty' between themselfs to see if it went through or not or EA should change the game to M rating so if that makes me holier then thou bring it on.I do not have a holier then thou attitude, as if you knew me at all in game you would know, so don't assume because we all know the breakdown of assume. I just refuse to wear blinders when it comes to youth.

 

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I would agree if the party in the limelight was under the age of 13. However, the ones in the spotlight are teenagers, they already have been exposed to way more things than your moral self would have ever have wished to happen. It is not the end of the world if they see something that they HAVE seen on television. One persons perception on T rated games can be like I said before different from another. Times have changed, T rated games now have the ability to include material that you wouldnt think would be there...but because the media has exposed children to it they are not slowly adapted to see or hearing more and more things that some people still believe should only be for the mature....even though there are plenty of mature children out there playing these games and are underage.

 

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This discussion has gotten to the point where points on all sides are being repeated.

Mia, I understand your point, and I think others do as well. What is it you want done?

 

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Just replying in general I think.

Ok so I've been reading through this and first I have to say likening anything in TSO to the holocaust jonestown and the like is not only one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read, but it's also a really sad and lame attempt at proving your point.

EA needs to test the systems in place to make sure porn doesn't get through? Correct? the only way to do so is to have people try to upload content against the ROC? correct, otherwise this content could slip through the cracks and end up in game. It could take quite some time for someone to report that and lord knows how many teens would see it.

Am I missing the point of this thread?

Now... as far as teens within game... if EA could make more money with an adult only game I'd be all for it. While I've met many teens in game that I've considered my friends through the years... I completely understand the need for profit and continuity.

The Teens that I've had as "friends" throughout the years were mature in their own right and really not interested in boobies and such.
I have met plenty of teens throughout the years that made me want to tie my tubes as well, that made me ask where their parents were.

While I think it is EA's responsibility to provide a safe playing environment underage players, I do not think it is EA's responsibility to parent any of these kids. It's their parents job.
It certainly isn't anyone in this threads job.

I think I'm missing the point.

 

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the ratings are CLEAR

 

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guess for EA to admit they made a mistake, which we all can do and correct the mistake and either get this changed to a M rating or don't allow any kind of images that is questionable with some warning that unsuitable content will not be tollerated by EA like i have stated many times already

 

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this is fine, except this IS A T game and should be acted upon accordingly. The dev. could have sent back and forth to see if any thing got out just as easily as opening it up to the puplic. there computers do exactly same thing ours does