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So what?Not going to happen because of this
$19.99
How many do you think they sell on dead shards? 100 per year if lucky? Still way under the cost of maintening the shard itself.
But please continue with your mantra "notgoingtohappen notgoingtohappen notgoingtohappen" if you think such kind of wishful thinking serves any purpose...
Some folk like dead shards. Just saying.
If you want to leave a dead shard you can(unless you play Siege or Mugen). This has been discussed by the DEV team.
You are always welcome to quit a dead shard if you want. You just either transfer off that rock or you simply start anew on another shard. Because this is allowed they decided never to merge shards.
This makes this entire discussion totally irrelevant.
And as I said before there are many of us who feel very strongly about the history and community of our own shard. I could care less about the history of say Atlantic. I don't play there... it's not my "home" so to speak. I'm not interested in playing anywhere but GL's. Sure I have characters on ALL the shards... but I prefer to spend the vast majority of my time, effort and energy working on the community on GL's.
The only reason I'd ever consider leaving would be if there were to be specialized shards that catered to specific playstyles.... or if I were "forced" to make some decision regarding moving.
But with multiple accounts and houses I have ZERO desire to move. Besides you are also forgetting another MAJOR thing about merging shards... What happens to folk who have "Grandfathered" accounts with multiple homes? Do they just lose all their other houses and have to be crammed into one?
Not to mention what happens to all the unique things on a shard? Like on GL's I know I'd be pretty cheezed off if they took away our "Mother Tree".
I was already irritated that they destroyed Sparky's tunnel... Now poor Sparky is sitting out in the cold all day without his cavern... Tied up at the zoo rather than roaming about freely in his cavern... and we have to actually walk a LONG way from the Brit Moongate to the West Brit Bank.... our shortcut that we had for MANY years taken away... Our beautiful Museum in Magincia along with all the other nice things there destroyed to make way for that monstrosity that is there now... the items moved to another building in Nu'Jelm... just doesn't seem right.
If you want to leave a dead shard you can(unless you play Siege or Mugen). This has been discussed by the DEV team.
You are always welcome to quit a dead shard if you want. You just either transfer off that rock or you simply start anew on another shard. Because this is allowed they decided never to merge shards.
This makes this entire discussion totally irrelevant.
And as I said before there are many of us who feel very strongly about the history and community of our own shard. I could care less about the history of say Atlantic. I don't play there... it's not my "home" so to speak. I'm not interested in playing anywhere but GL's. Sure I have characters on ALL the shards... but I prefer to spend the vast majority of my time, effort and energy working on the community on GL's.
The only reason I'd ever consider leaving would be if there were to be specialized shards that catered to specific playstyles.... or if I were "forced" to make some decision regarding moving.
But with multiple accounts and houses I have ZERO desire to move. Besides you are also forgetting another MAJOR thing about merging shards... What happens to folk who have "Grandfathered" accounts with multiple homes? Do they just lose all their other houses and have to be crammed into one?
Not to mention what happens to all the unique things on a shard? Like on GL's I know I'd be pretty cheezed off if they took away our "Mother Tree".
I was already irritated that they destroyed Sparky's tunnel... Now poor Sparky is sitting out in the cold all day without his cavern... Tied up at the zoo rather than roaming about freely in his cavern... and we have to actually walk a LONG way from the Brit Moongate to the West Brit Bank.... our shortcut that we had for MANY years taken away... Our beautiful Museum in Magincia along with all the other nice things there destroyed to make way for that monstrosity that is there now... the items moved to another building in Nu'Jelm... just doesn't seem right.
Errrrr common sense.....hell common sense tells me that our shard europa as like only 300-500 max...''active'' players...and this was well backed up with the magincia lotto sales figures....but basicaly pretty much common sense.
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Zyon Rockler
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It doesn't really matter to me. I mean how would you know what Shard you're on when you log in? As long as I have my 18 x 18 and my character, it would be hard to tell.
So, some things would change, like the location. So, for me, it's all about the incentive. Why would I move my house? Why would I move my character?
I would like a bigger map or bigger world that might be one incentive. More spawns and people, more abilities, farm plots, house boats. New interesting things such as weather or the ability to change view.
The ability to do more, like if every plant you could pick a leaf or gather a seed or mix into a potion, better quality sound where by standing by trees you would hear the wind move the leaves or as you walked into certain areas you would hear different insects and animal sounds.
Spawns with interesting habitats, such as caves, burrows, bees nest, birds nest, where birds actually nest and eggs could be taken or feathers found.
To me, these are all incentives or reasons to move. If I was just going to change shards, it would not make any sense.
So, some things would change, like the location. So, for me, it's all about the incentive. Why would I move my house? Why would I move my character?
I would like a bigger map or bigger world that might be one incentive. More spawns and people, more abilities, farm plots, house boats. New interesting things such as weather or the ability to change view.
The ability to do more, like if every plant you could pick a leaf or gather a seed or mix into a potion, better quality sound where by standing by trees you would hear the wind move the leaves or as you walked into certain areas you would hear different insects and animal sounds.
Spawns with interesting habitats, such as caves, burrows, bees nest, birds nest, where birds actually nest and eggs could be taken or feathers found.
To me, these are all incentives or reasons to move. If I was just going to change shards, it would not make any sense.
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Ultimaholic
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According to the devs...its already been stated that it will NEVER happen.Its not our mantra.... Me thinks its you with the wishful thinking.
No, practically you're not "welcome", because it either means paying $140 per account or erasing many years by starting all over.
Nobody has ever said that. Please stop spreading false info (or utter lies)
No, but spreading false info makes one's post irrelevant
This is absolutely wrong, you are just repeating the same false info again and again, but the only official info was a video by Cal a few months ago stating that they were thinking hard about it and had not found an acceptable solution yet because of housing issues. There has NEVER been ANY other official info given on this matter, and certainly NOT that it will NEVER happen.According to the devs...its already been stated that it will NEVER happen.Its not our mantra.... Me thinks its you with the wishful thinking.
I think you need to go back and listen again.
I think the shard merging idea is only good from a PvP standpoint because that's where the low population is most evident.
Like I have said before, perhaps they could merge the facets without housing. Small clusters of servers could share Ilshenar, The Lost Lands, Doom, Tokuno, and perhaps some felucca dungeons.
Like I have said before, perhaps they could merge the facets without housing. Small clusters of servers could share Ilshenar, The Lost Lands, Doom, Tokuno, and perhaps some felucca dungeons.
I thought it would be good if they could make a new "shard" that was one large PvP dungeon area where EVERYONE from all including Siege and Mugen could go. No Insurance there.
It would have champs and PS... But be more like a next level of the Underworld... with Underworld themed monsters and things including a city of Drow...
All PvP So going there would be a risk you take... but if you wanted to risk going there to Xshard items you could... but it'd be risky. Oh but of course if you live on Siege or Mugen you can't bring back stuff that isn't allowed on your shard.
But somewhere that you take a moongate to or enter a certain "preparation" room... that will tell you what you can an can not take in.... warn you that you will insurance on all items once you "cross over".
Then once you cross over you are randomly dropped into the map... Which would have to be pretty big... but it needs to be a random drop so you don't have folk waiting to "gank" anyone entering.
Once there you are hidden until you move... this way you can gather your bearings for a moment.
Anyway just a thought. If they can get the whole duplicate character to TC thing to work then it should work to transfer everyone to the special shard.
It would have champs and PS... But be more like a next level of the Underworld... with Underworld themed monsters and things including a city of Drow...
All PvP So going there would be a risk you take... but if you wanted to risk going there to Xshard items you could... but it'd be risky. Oh but of course if you live on Siege or Mugen you can't bring back stuff that isn't allowed on your shard.
But somewhere that you take a moongate to or enter a certain "preparation" room... that will tell you what you can an can not take in.... warn you that you will insurance on all items once you "cross over".
Then once you cross over you are randomly dropped into the map... Which would have to be pretty big... but it needs to be a random drop so you don't have folk waiting to "gank" anyone entering.
Once there you are hidden until you move... this way you can gather your bearings for a moment.
Anyway just a thought. If they can get the whole duplicate character to TC thing to work then it should work to transfer everyone to the special shard.
The DEVs have even stated here on Stratics that it will never happen.
You want a more populated shard then Xfer to one.
You want a less populated shard then Xfer to one.
Leave our shards alone.
I think they should link all the shards through 1 main gate. I know they will kill the xfer token revenue. Maybe they could make it an upgrade that you'd have to pay for one time. All the shards are set up the same and when you switch shards your runes work fine. This way no houses are lost and you could place a big house on an lesser used shards and go to a fel spawn on that shard without being raided by reds. It woulld be very nice to participate in the history of all the shards. Imagine a great character, hero or trader being know though out all shards. Wouldn't you like to be known everywhere. I believe this can be done and might even bring players back to the game having all these shards to shop, explore or conquer.
It's possible as Supreem said in the devs VHOC but many players will argue against. It would not be death of the game. There are many things that are tied to the death of the game besides shard mergers or making clusters( daoc players know what I am talking about).
EA would pull the plug before shard mergers would happen more the reasons of loss revenue. As I have played many shards you do see less and less active players on some shards. The 50-100 active players comment from THP is pretty right in the ball park figure for some shards. Now that doesnt mean there are 1000 people not active and pay every 3 months for a house accounts. We have no idea.
I do know one shard I play you may see the same 20 players everytime I log on. Usually we are spawning and the same 3 reds that usually raid when we are done after hours of spawning. It's a good farming shard in truth.
With gold having no value, the ancient PS system is outdated, broken factions, solo players, RP's being less and less active or extinct, afk gathering resources and many other illegal activity, over priced subscription with lack of customer service and GM's for a 14 year old game, ect ect ect, shard mergers would definetly not be the death of this game. UO has been on life support for some time.
EA would pull the plug before shard mergers would happen more the reasons of loss revenue. As I have played many shards you do see less and less active players on some shards. The 50-100 active players comment from THP is pretty right in the ball park figure for some shards. Now that doesnt mean there are 1000 people not active and pay every 3 months for a house accounts. We have no idea.
I do know one shard I play you may see the same 20 players everytime I log on. Usually we are spawning and the same 3 reds that usually raid when we are done after hours of spawning. It's a good farming shard in truth.
With gold having no value, the ancient PS system is outdated, broken factions, solo players, RP's being less and less active or extinct, afk gathering resources and many other illegal activity, over priced subscription with lack of customer service and GM's for a 14 year old game, ect ect ect, shard mergers would definetly not be the death of this game. UO has been on life support for some time.
Repeating the same lies again and again don't make them magically become the Truth you know.
Tell you what, instead of the stupid "just pay $140 per account to xfer" argument. Why not have the players pay their monthly fee indexed to the shard population they play on? You want to play on an empty shard? Fine, but you'll have to pay more to sustain the cost of having a shard JUST FOR YOU?
I bet that doesn't sound very appealing eh? That should, because that would be a lot more fair than asking people to pay to xfer to a "normal" shard.
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ahardy
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I'm the only wich renember Formosa? they merged it and it worked, so why don't make again?
Just for future proof is needed......
March 1, 2011 UO Video House of Commons Transcript Part 4 | UOJournal.com
March 1, 2011 UO Video House of Commons Transcript Part 4 | UOJournal.com
Thanks. I'm glad you took the time to get the exact transcript Zosimus. I hope this will slow down a bit the false "It CAN'T/WON'T happen and devs have said so" argument.
Now, back to the original poster's "Open Minded" legitimate question, there is something I've taunted a few times: the Pagan issue:
If we follow more or less Ultima Canon, even with some degrees of differences, at one point the Guardian should exile us all to Pagan for some time and bring us back to a very different Britannia later. I do think the solution to all shard mergers questions is there.
Now, back to the original poster's "Open Minded" legitimate question, there is something I've taunted a few times: the Pagan issue:
If we follow more or less Ultima Canon, even with some degrees of differences, at one point the Guardian should exile us all to Pagan for some time and bring us back to a very different Britannia later. I do think the solution to all shard mergers questions is there.
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Espilce
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I think that you should be able to move all of your stuff and all of your characters to a new shard.
Just buy a special shard transfer token for XX amount of dollars. It should be easy and not cost a fortune. Just move all of the stuff into some special storage container that only lasts for a limited amount of time say 60 days.
I love the idea of adding basements with extra storage per floor. Just pay extra gold for each floor.
I also love the idea of customizable castles and keeps. Add a tower, change the type and color of brick. Choose from some different floor-plans.
Just buy a special shard transfer token for XX amount of dollars. It should be easy and not cost a fortune. Just move all of the stuff into some special storage container that only lasts for a limited amount of time say 60 days.
I love the idea of adding basements with extra storage per floor. Just pay extra gold for each floor.
I also love the idea of customizable castles and keeps. Add a tower, change the type and color of brick. Choose from some different floor-plans.
There is really only one way to do this and that is to remove ALL player housing beforehand since it wouldn't be fair to let one shard keep the houses and everyone else having to drop them. Many people would not like this particularly for people with castles, keeps, Luna houses, etc.
Second issue might be shard history. But they might be able to keep the special shard histories with merging.
Second issue might be shard history. But they might be able to keep the special shard histories with merging.
There's been growing "permeability" between shards. There are transfers, now there are shields that can be used for short visits... These are probably signs that more movement is possible - like common hunting grounds and passaged like there used to be to the Lost Lands.
It would be cool if we could all meet and trade/adventure/whatever in common areas and than "come home" to a chosen living area (i.e. multiple Britannias and Malas). Obviously, it would create crowd issues in most popular places...
It would be cool if we could all meet and trade/adventure/whatever in common areas and than "come home" to a chosen living area (i.e. multiple Britannias and Malas). Obviously, it would create crowd issues in most popular places...
Looks to me right after your part in red then they say Xfer yourself and they are not going to make somebody move.
You don't give up do you?
One could have hoped that after quoting the entire and only time the issue has been publicly addressed by the devs, this would at least shut up your false "This will never happen because the Devs said so" argument and we could seriously actually DISCUSS the matter... but sadly no, you're picking a couple of words out of context to avoid the entire debate... how lame...
Tell you what... this is not going to work out as you want, because every other day the merging issue will come back and back and back and back again, and in the end it will happen, not necessarily now, not necessarily as directly as a pure merger, it will in fact probably be rather smooth, but it WILL happen.
Can you not SEE (it called open your eyes) where Cal said he is not going to force anybody to move. PLEASE LEARN TO READ. You look at one part of a statement and go see I told you so and then they continue to talk and say NO. What part of that don't YOU understand.
Talk all about it you want to but in the end it will never happen, just like all the BS about getting rid of the CC. There will be no shard mergers and the CC will be here forever.
Not forcing anyone to move is different that not merging shards. There are many ways to achieve mergers, hence the whole purpose of this thread. You're just interpreting pieces of info as it suits you but in the end you are very wrong.Can you not SEE (it called open your eyes) where Cal said he is not going to force anybody to move. PLEASE LEARN TO READ. You look at one part of a statement and go see I told you so and then they continue to talk and say NO. What part of that don't YOU understand.
While I hardly see how relevant to this thread the CC/EC question is, I happen to actually be a CC-only player, yet realistic enough to understand the CC will vanish in the blink of an eye the day the EC can just provide the exact same interface/graphic in emulation mode. And you know what, you won't even realize it except if you're using illegal third party stuffTalk all about it you want to but in the end it will never happen, just like all the BS about getting rid of the CC. There will be no shard mergers and the CC will be here forever.
You are just blind. But I have no hard feeling about that.
History will prove you wrong, even if you are not there anymore to see it. I will be.
No, not really. Not wanting to force anyone to move pretty much ties your hands. You can't merge shards and close some down without forcing players to move.
This argument is
going no where.
going no where.
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