True that. The Europa RP PVP rules basically amount to a bunch of people wanting to walk out there on a pre-AOS template wearing nothing but GM armor and still be able to win. Bushido guys can't even lightning strike.
The actual idea behind the RoE is that anyone can participate, on a relatively even field, regardless of whether they have 50k or 50mil to their name.
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Europa is basically a bunch of people that can't adapt after all these years so they have ******** rules.
Can't adapt?
Meh I look at it as more "I am too lazy to go out and get proper gear so let's gimp everyone to crappy GM armor that a GM mage that is equally geared will tear through and gimp every class so they can't use half their abilities"
I guess that's a fairly good explanation but I am sure theres more to it. Before Atlantic's community went to hell [which was all drama nothing related to items, even catskills doesn't put these insane limitations and they have fairly good RP], there were some people lobbying for Europa-style rules, which I heavily opposed and got enough support to crush any attempt at that ever happening. I don't have a problem handing "newer" members some minor artifacts and such to help them get started. I mean it's not like it's even hard to get artifacts anymore, or 10th anniversary tokens for the helms and such.
)And your crushing coincidently ended up with an rp community that admittedly has gone to hell. Europa is strong for a reason, why is it so hard to believe that reason may actually be their ruleset that encourages more opportunities to get involved as opposed to having to spend all your time and gold on gearing up?
Atlantic's RP broke because of Drama. Not items. ATL's always been home to drama *****s, and that was the downfall that started happening even before AOS. But it's a UO thing I guess. Blame items for everything.
Great Lakes has more than one RP group.... While Lore Denin and many others may be tied up in Factions the rest of us are not.
I can only speak for the shards I have had experience on. Cats has some good rp guilds. Some mediocre rp guilds. Some new to rp guilds that are making an effort to improve. And some rp guilds that honestly couldn't rp their way out of a paper sack. I am sure that most shards will have the same makeup.
Samurai can't use lightning strike, necromancers can't use wither, blah blah blah. Basically a few of the large old guilds who run things all choose to RP hillbilly town guards using warrior templates straight out of Publish 16, and successfully legislate the rules so that they never have to adapt.Dol'Gorath said:
UO is balanced as long as you spend a lot of your in game time gearing up your character so you can stand up against all the other geared up characters you might face. heh
Lucky you. I went through the Stormhaven drama. Stormhaven/Orc drama. Stormhaven/Sanctus split, and a ton of other little things that eventually made me not wanna deal with any of it anymore around 2004.
I'd be far more concerned about culture clash.
In fact, RPers have characters that are not all involved in RP and a lot of them are Feluccan PvPers. So I don't really know what you're speaking about. Sure there is some nostalgia in these rules, but not frustration not to have top gear.
That leads to the domination of 120 powerscrolls, which are hardly 50k.
That's basically it. The rules are also there to avoid that someone builds a RP around a template of the month, but rather builds the template according to the RP. That's not always possible to avoid it, as there are better templates for RP-PVP and some people will quickly wrap a RP around it, but it helps.
So you limit gear, because "people can't all get it" but yet you limit skills which everyone can get? Lol...
"lol"? What makes you laugh? You didn't understand the reason of the limit?
That's what RP everywhere is, don't make Europa sound like it's the only shard that has storylines and gossip, tea parties, and whatever else happens. I can understand the gear limitations but limiting skills too? Anyone can get them that is just overkill.
Having looked over the ROE for Europa, most of it makes sense. In a world without magical items (no hit chance increase or lower attack or defense chance), the Bushido special Lightning Strike is basically a free 45 Hit Chance item with a minor mana cost. Most warriors try to max out hit chance when using magical gear, so this special isn't that great. In an ROE setting, this changes a lot. Two legendary sword fighters going at each other with no hit chance or defense chance have 50/50 shot at hitting each other. One using this bushido special goes up to ~72%. That's a huge advantage.
Actually, wherever you look for vampire lore, there's a plethora of BS.
Which is a very accurate point.
I like getting one of these White Wolf ******* to talk until they mention Cain, at which point I ask "Who?" Oh, you know, the son of Adam and Eve. "Who?" You know, from the Bible. "This is Sosaria, what the hell is a Bible?" Then suddenly they get real flustered when they realize that none of their lore makes the least bit of sense in the context of the game.
I get your point, and yes, most people try to move their background information into Sosaria as a whole instead of using the 'from a place beyond the moongates'. Like someone already mentioned, our once and future leader, Lord British, was from earth. As was, I believe, the Stranger?
For the backstory for my guild, I had my main-account characters, born in my looong-running pencil-and-paper RPG world, swept up a storm through a moongate into Sosaria and finding each other over the span of a year or so. All my other characters are students of these six.