Right to loot issue

[NuSair]

Just finished up duo'ing a rat champ with my wife. We were on our sampires and once Baracoon was down, she didn't have looting rights. I went ahead and looted the gold and once the corpse went public- it confirmed that she didn't even get a share. Yet, she did as much if not more damage than I did.

This has happened a few times, originally, I thought it was when my tamer would do damage with a pet and heal. But, this is the first I've encountered it with 2 melee characters, no healing between them.

 

[Mirt]

Hmm this sounds like it needs some testing.

 

[Mervyn]

yes this is happening, i don't have a problem with it

 

[WootSauce]

This is absolutely happening, and it's not good. Another example - four spellweaver / mystics in a party and one dexxer not in party, fighting a crazed mage in Shame. Casters keeping up RC's the whole fight and WOD for 400+ each at the end. Mob drops, dexxer has sole rights. This is also occurring during EM events, ask people that participated in the most recent GL event this past Sunday.

 

[MYUO]

The buggy looting right may also casue party members can't get reward from pirate hunting.

 

[xxrod17xx]

What is even better, I have not gotten looting rights at a champ spawn but received a in the pack drop from it, like intel boots i think it was. The system is ultra flawed since they added healers getting rights.

 

[LordDrago]

Definitely an issue that needs testing and fixing by the Devs.

 

[Nyses]

There is definitely a problem with looting rights. In the last couple of days, I have done several champ spawns with guild mates, seems that when there were 3 or 4 of us there hitting the boss, and all doing comparable damage, on several occasions one person got all 6 scrolls and the others got nothing. I have only noticed this problem since the last patch (75) not (74 where healers got looting rights)

 

[IanJames]

Having same issues with our guild on Siege.

 

[Driven Insane]

Add me to the list of people that have noticed this in the last week.

Often my wife, my son and I will do Peerless, Champs, Navery, etc and we're fully aware of how much damage each of us is doing, but occasionally the looting rights are completely whacked with the top damage doer getting no rights.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

Silly thought, how many were/weren't healers that did/didn't get rights? I'm just wondering if maybe it's confusing healing vs. damage pts, maybe not adding the two together, or picking one wrongly over the other?

 

[LordDrago]

Silly thought, how many were/weren't healers that did/didn't get rights? I'm just wondering if maybe it's confusing healing vs. damage pts, maybe not adding the two together, or picking one wrongly over the other?

is healing perhaps mucking up the results?

if one person is taking most of the damage, and healing or being coss healed, then that may be the issue?

 

[Herman]

Good i was thinking i needed to post something about this
I have had this happen two times this past week at ratman(renowned)

Both times fighting along side a dexxer using soulseeker I was using 5 hell hounds (dexxer was tanking)

First renowned i did trow a couple heal cure on the dexxer and I got all loot
Second time i did not heal or cure him he got all loot

I m not sure why this happen i probably did topp DMG on both so maybe a tamer only get the healing points?
This was only 2/10 all the other times loot did split just fine so it looks wery random who get loot right

 

[NuSair]

is healing perhaps mucking up the results?

if one person is taking most of the damage, and healing or being coss healed, then that may be the issue?

Not to sound condescending, but did you read the 1st post?... 2 sampires.... there was no healing other than the leach from the weapon.

 

[Herman]

Not to sound condescending, but did you read the 1st post?... 2 sampires.... there was no healing other than the leach from the weapon.

And U are sure life leech is not healing ?

I m not so sure about that there is no diffrent if u heal yourself,pet ,other player using magery bandages

My guess is that U was tanking and U got loot right that 2 me look like life leech is healing

 

[Aurelius]

Not to sound condescending, but did you read the 1st post?... 2 sampires.... there was no healing other than the leach from the weapon.

But it's not impossible that the game is mis-reading the healing done through leeching......

 

[NuSair]

Actually, my wife was tanking.

And that's true, the game might be looking at the leach from the weapon as you are healing yourself. I guess it depends on how it's coded.

 

[Raptor85]

Definitely a issue with loot rights, were out looking for some GIL to murder and came across a rat spawn so did it quickly, I went and got a repond slayer book and some LMC stuff and did some rapid-fire fireballs w/ curse and was keeping track of all our health as well as keeping bless up since I had scribe on. Though I probably did a good third of the damage AND I was the one healing/resurrecting from silly mistakes (we weren't exactly pvm equipped) strangely I didn't even get loot rights when he fell (not a big deal obviously as was there with guild, but still not right, theres a definite bug in how it's calculating)

 

[Merus]

If the new calc is adding all methods together, it could be easy to see how the sampire that is being attacked could get 100% rights. Just think, damage dealt would be about equal but the one taking damage is getting credit for damage taken and damage healed. That means, assuming all are weighted equally, the sampire being hit is getting 75% of the credit. If damage healed is weighted even slightly more that % increases.

 

[Mr. Smither1]

I lead a lot of big group hunts and we are seeing sometimes only 1-2 people out of 8-14 getting looting rights. We tried holding the party to almost the end or dropping the party soon as we enter the peerless, medusa. It diff seems to happen more often when one of our sampires uses honor on the boss.

 

[lupushor]

I subscribe, I'm sure the new system is a mess. Anyone remembers exactly why did they change it?

 

[Picus at the office]

If the new calc is adding all methods together, it could be easy to see how the sampire that is being attacked could get 100% rights. Just think, damage dealt would be about equal but the one taking damage is getting credit for damage taken and damage healed. That means, assuming all are weighted equally, the sampire being hit is getting 75% of the credit. If damage healed is weighted even slightly more that % increases.

I suspect that this post is the closest thing to a clear answer we will get from the dev team. Merus are you sure that you don't work at EA?

 

[Herman]

If the new calc is adding all methods together, it could be easy to see how the sampire that is being attacked could get 100% rights. Just think, damage dealt would be about equal but the one taking damage is getting credit for damage taken and damage healed. That means, assuming all are weighted equally, the sampire being hit is getting 75% of the credit. If damage healed is weighted even slightly more that % increases.

I was only guessing NuSair was the one tanking in my post

In his reply he said his wife was the one that did tank and she did not get loot right must be something else

 

[NuSair]

Next time we do a spawn together and it's just us two, I'll try to let her tank, lower my damage out put and see what happens. Maybe even take off Vampiric Embrace.

 

[popps]

Good i was thinking i needed to post something about this
I have had this happen two times this past week at ratman(renowned)

Both times fighting along side a dexxer using soulseeker I was using 5 hell hounds (dexxer was tanking)

First renowned i did trow a couple heal cure on the dexxer and I got all loot
Second time i did not heal or cure him he got all loot

I m not sure why this happen i probably did topp DMG on both so maybe a tamer only get the healing points?
This was only 2/10 all the other times loot did split just fine so it looks wery random who get loot right

Question, if it is healing that factors in, does healing a pet also make a difference as far as looting rights go?

 

[Merus]

I suspect that this post is the closest thing to a clear answer we will get from the dev team. Merus are you sure that you don't work at EA?

Pretty sure, I would like to think I'm smarter than that *snickers*.

 

[Merus]

Question, if it is healing that factors in, does healing a pet also make a difference as far as looting rights go?

I believe it does, but it's hard to know for sure because, like the sampire, the pet is also counting the damage dealt and damage taken towards the owners rights. I suppose with a second person you could test it if they only heal the pet and are able to obtain rights.

 

[NuSair]

The more I think about it, I wonder if to incorporate healing, they set it up so that it's where each point of healing increases the total value of the creature.

Example:
Looting rights used to be based strictly off damage done and if you did at least X amount of damage to the creature. If a creature had 50,000 hit points, you had to do at least 2,500 points of damage to get looting rights (just an example, I don't know the exact breakdown). But with healing added in, the static 50,000 points is now dynamic and is Hit Points + Points Healed. So, if you have a creature with 50,000 hit points and healing was for lets say 30,000 that would raise the threshold to 4,000. Then comes the question is it actual points healed or possible points healed.

 

[Merus]

I suspect that this post is the closest thing to a clear answer we will get from the dev team. Merus are you sure that you don't work at EA?

Btw Picus, it's a little off topic, but I came across a whispering rose from Picus the other day on Napa. If you are sentimental and would like it, shoot me a pm and its yours.

 

[Phangs_of_Phage]

What is even better, I have not gotten looting rights at a champ spawn but received a in the pack drop from it, like intel boots i think it was. The system is ultra flawed since they added healers getting rights.

Thats working as intended. The pack drop is based off spawn killed

 

[Ansatsu]

I have been having the same issue at events too.. Where I will have something honored and be hitting it from the beginning and then I won't be getting looting right.. The only thing I could think of is that it was because I was in Wraith form.. Its like your being penalized for being in form.. I know others were having the same issue too.

 

[CovenantX]

There definitely does seem to be a problem with looting rights. I recently went to Doom, some of the champs I can hit 3-5 times and get looting rights, while the other [same type of champ] I can hit 10+ times and won't be-able to loot. My guess is it has something with adding the ability to get looting rights via healing spells. although I haven't noticed it untill after the faction rank/point changes as there wasn't as much need for pvm.