Returning player : How does one make gold in UO nowadays the fastest ?

[popps]

For a returning player to UO after years away, what would be the best way to make the most millions to catch up the fastest ?

Hunting what Monsters ? Where ? With what tenplate ?

Hunt monsters for loot and sell the loot ?

Does anything still even sell on vendors in the game ??

Bottom line is, in todays UO what is the best way to make the most gold the fastest ?

Thanks.

 

[Connor_Graham]

If you haven't played in "years", then why were you posting so much garbage just a few months ago?

Hmmm?

IMO, you're one player we could do without, at least here on Stratics.

 

[RichDC]

Honestly, Get lucky

Fastest from start(building char) to finish(acquiring wealth) would probably be a simple warrior,

Melee
parry
healing
anatomy
tactics
bushido
chivaly

Start aiming for 7x 100 skills.

The reason i say this temp is because its relativly cheap to start. Make a few thousand training in Haven do a few escorts, buy a rune book for ML dungeons and start on the Troglodytes(this drop quite good gold, bandies and occasionally some nice weapons) to start when i returned i use the newbie quest weapons to hunt with eventually got given a soul seeker.

Then once your a little more established start with champ spawns, will take a while but its probably the fastest way to get lucky, aside from that try the peerless and pray for a crimmy.

Believe me though...its not that fast. Maybe a month or 2 of hard work will get you a few mil(you could even make it of the trogs if you really wanted).

While you are in this process though remember...speculate to accumulate, spend money on solid weapons(couple 100k's) armour and such. Maybe start on a crafter as well, ingots sell well and eventually youll build up enough bods to get some nice runics to sell.

 

[T'Challa]

If you haven't played in "years", then why were you posting so much garbage just a few months ago?

Hmmm?

IMO, you're one player we could do without, at least here on Stratics.

Angst, much?

 

[Connor_Graham]

Not at all. Just one of almost every poster here on Stratics that the OP annoyed beyond belief with incredible whining about almost everything to do with UO. He's the only poster I can remember that succeeded in uniting even the worst board enemies against him. Even the most passive of Stratics posters got tired of his constant complaining.

 

[popps]

Not at all. Just one of almost every poster here on Stratics that the OP annoyed beyond belief with incredible whining about almost everything to do with UO. He's the only poster I can remember that succeeded in uniting even the worst board enemies against him. Even the most passive of Stratics posters got tired of his constant complaining.

Have no idea what you are talking about.

I have not played UO for well over a year and a half; and even back then, I was playing it scarcely for lack of time.

I was thinking of coming back around Christmas but then due to RL issues and lack of real interest I didn't.

So, I am not sure at all about what you are talking about. What issues you recall I was complaining about and when ?

As in regards to the question about what might be most profitable to do in UO, I am not referring to new players needing to work from scratch but of players returning to the game thus having some skills and some gear to count on.

Only that they need to focus on what is best to focus on doing in the game to get gold the fastest to buy them better armor/weapons/powerscrolls as needed to catch up with existing players.

When I see that a Crimson Cinture still sells about 20 millions it means that players wanting to "catch up" need many, many millions to be able to gear up to par.......

 

[RichDC]

Crimsons are one of the items you dont "need" it just really is nice as nothing else takes its spot.

To get those kind of items you need to focus on the peerless bosses:

Lady melisande (blighted grove best in a group of 2-4 with tamers)
Dreadhorn(best solo with a sampire)
Paroxymas(best 2-3man with dexxers...not pets...EVER!not even mounts)
Travesty(best 2man tamers or solo sampire)
Grizzle(best solo tamer)

These all drop some high value items, Crimson is shared and worth alot.

Mel, Hair dyes(some sell for upwards of 10mil)
Dreadhorn, actually only the crimmy from here really
Paroxy, unbreakeable armoured swampy and the sceptre of the chief
Travesty, many variaties of marks(tribal masks) with different skill +10
Grizzle, bonded skele horse, grizz armour.

Apart from that its champ spawns in ilshnear(spirituality, valouor and humility if memory serves) or felluca for the replica drops and SOT's (also PS's in fel).

As well as that the fel spawns(as you normally do in a smaller group) you can pick up 180k a spawn.

Other than that it really would only be bods for runic hammers to either sell or make armour to sell. Heartwood mini crafting quests for the runic saws and fletching kits.

 

[popps]

Crimsons are one of the items you dont "need" it just really is nice as nothing else takes its spot.

To get those kind of items you need to focus on the peerless bosses:

Lady melisande (blighted grove best in a group of 2-4 with tamers)
Dreadhorn(best solo with a sampire)
Paroxymas(best 2-3man with dexxers...not pets...EVER!not even mounts)
Travesty(best 2man tamers or solo sampire)
Grizzle(best solo tamer)

I noticed you did not mention Doom.
Doom stuff is no longer usefull ? Did Doom change to a point of making it not worth the time spent in it (i.e. time would be best spent doing other things in the game other than Doom...).

Other than that it really would only be bods for runic hammers to either sell or make armour to sell. Heartwood mini crafting quests for the runic saws and fletching kits.

Is there still a problem in the game about scripters running Bulk Order Deeds as if there was no tomorrow or has this been fixed once and for all ?

Before I stopped playing I remember about scripting BODs being a real problem with some scripters having LOADs of the most valuable BODs due to their 24/7 scripting.....
This was also a good part of the reason why I stopped playing, I was tired of seeing years go by and scripting in UO not going away for good.

How is it now ?

 

[Der Rock]

For a returning player to UO after years away, what would be the best way to make the most millions to catch up the fastest ?

Hunting what Monsters ? Where ? With what tenplate ?

Hunt monsters for loot and sell the loot ?

Does anything still even sell on vendors in the game ??

Bottom line is, in todays UO what is the best way to make the most money the fastest ?

Thanks.

er...... you cant make MONEY in game

 

[RichDC]

I noticed you did not mention Doom.
Doom stuff is no longer usefull ? Did Doom change to a point of making it not worth the time spent in it (i.e. time would be best spent doing other things in the game other than Doom...)

I did forget doom first time round but, in essence yes it is a waste of time. Armour of fortunes and Ornaments still sell very well, arcane shields still sell but apart from that runic armour/weapons have pretty much rendered the rest obselete. Add to that the faction artifacts and you have no hope.

I did however miss a peerless:

Shimmering Effusion, Prism of light best done with either a few tamers, few dexxers and can be done solo with a bard. Drop the crystaline ring(prbs best mage ring in game however faction variety is better. +20mage +20focus 5HPR 3MR 20%SDI(faction add on 3fcr))

Is there still a problem in the game about scripters running Bulk Order Deeds as if there was no tomorrow or has this been fixed once and for all ?

Before I stopped playing I remember about scripting BODs being a real problem with some scripters having LOADs of the most valuable BODs due to their 24/7 scripting.....
This was also a good part of the reason why I stopped playing, I was tired of seeing years go by and scripting in UO not going away for good.

How is it now ?

Unfortunatly these are still heavily scripted, however, the bods themselves dont sell as much as the rewards(mainly because people are afraid to display them it seems, the last round of banning hit bod collectors/dupers hard)

 

[popps]

er...... you cant make MONEY in game

Whatever is the "in-game" exchangeable currency............ call it gold if preferred, money in the sense of whatever can be used to buy gear, weapons, powerscrolls off of vendors or when delaing with other players when needed.

 

[onthefifty]

hey rich,

how do you solo grizzle with a pet?

we always use sampires there, stepping back to avoid the acid. i'm assuming you use a dragon. do you stand behind the dragon and vet him constantly or can you step back and cast cure's heals?

to the orig poster. agreed with rich's assesment here. doom is still viable though the entrance of faction items that can now be obained easily has cheapened the doom arties.

trammel champ spawns are nice to do. scrolls of transcendence (good ones) still sell for 100k per point, more for bushido, taming, ninjitsu. nothing like a good wither bombing necro mage at a trammel rat spawn. you will get scroll drops, wiot the pk worries.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Whatever is the "in-game" exchangeable currency............ call it gold if preferred, money in the sense of whatever can be used to buy gear, weapons, powerscrolls off of vendors or when delaing with other players when needed.

If you have vet reward choices
Select commodity deed boxes and sell the 4 to 5 million.

Fastest way to make gold

Fastet way without selling is go to champs spawns and fight. You might get an item worth 40k to 25 million. They sell.

And in the end gold explodes everywhere. You can hold 50k -100k and bags of sending work. You can make 200k in a grab. Most players dont want the gold.

 

[popps]

I did however miss a peerless:

Shimmering Effusion, Prism of light best done with either a few tamers, few dexxers and can be done solo with a bard. Drop the crystaline ring(prbs best mage ring in game however faction variety is better. +20mage +20focus 5HPR 3MR 20%SDI(faction add on 3fcr))

How can a Bard solo this Peerless ? Care to share details and tactics ?

I do have a Bard so this could turn out interesting. Is it a hard soloing of feasible ?

Of the Peerless you mentioned, which is the easiest to solo (and how) so that I get the hang of it ?

After so long away I am too rustied and don't even remember anymore my UOAssist macro keys so I need a little practise to get the feel back.

Probably doing something that is the easiest would be best....

I also have a tamer if that can help.

Unfortunatly these are still heavily scripted, however, the bods themselves dont sell as much as the rewards(mainly because people are afraid to display them it seems, the last round of banning hit bod collectors/dupers hard)

So scripting is still in UO I guess..... So many years and still no way has been found to make it not possible ? WOW.

 

[RichDC]

How can a Bard solo this Peerless ? Care to share details and tactics ?

I do have a Bard so this could turn out interesting. Is it a hard soloing of feasible ?

Of the Peerless you mentioned, which is the easiest to solo (and how) so that I get the hang of it ?

After so long away I am too rustied and don't even remember anymore my UOAssist macro keys so I need a little practise to get the feel back.

Probably doing something that is the easiest would be best....

I also have a tamer if that can help.
.

I dont actually know how its done but i know of a person who does it.

For me the easiest is Grizzle witha tamer or travesty with tamers but a good starting place is Mel. Especially for returning players as this is usually well populated and you can meet new people or old friends to help guide you more on the bosses(+i cant give away all the trade secrets )

For 2man ill would say they rank in order of ease:

1)dreadhorn with 2x-healing sampires(its quicker than grizz why it gets no1 spot)
2)grizzle With either 2GD or 2 Hiryus
3)Mel with 1 tamer (GD) and 1 necro mage.
4)Travesty with 2tamers (GD and Beetle Bake)
5)Paroxy 2Sampires x-healing
6) Shimmering 2tamers max FC/FCR, MR and as much LMC (GD and Beetle bake)

 

[Lord Drakelord]

For a returning player to UO after years away, what would be the best way to make the most millions to catch up the fastest ?

Hunting what Monsters ? Where ? With what tenplate ?

Hunt monsters for loot and sell the loot ?

Does anything still even sell on vendors in the game ??

Bottom line is, in todays UO what is the best way to make the most gold the fastest ?

Thanks.

My wife and I double team the greater dragons, alone I will go for the Orge lords, I normally use a tamer, but have used my bard at many of the champ sites [CS]. If you do the CS you will get what is know as a SoT, very useful for many folks that are trying to build skills and are stuck in GGS . Some of the rewards/artifacts are pretty neat and can be sold for a bundle.

With the return of the Bag of sending and the weight change to gold, you can carry more and still send a lot to the bank on a single charge.

Good luck and welcome back!

 

[popps]

With the return of the Bag of sending and the weight change to gold, you can carry more and still send a lot to the bank on a single charge.

Good luck and welcome back!

You mean bags of sending now work again from inside the Felucca dungeons ?

Or it is planned and not yet available ?

And what do you mean about the weight change to gold ?

Last I remember is that it was not convenient to send gold to bank using a bag of sending because 1 charge would send too little and not make it worth it. Not to mention the cost loss of a charged bag in case one was pkilled.......

What is it like now ?

The problem with UO is that in order to be competitive in PvP with existing players one needs in between gear, weapons and powerscrolls tens upon tens upon tens of millions making the curve way too steep and long to climb.......

I am only trying to see "if" there is a faster way to be able to catch up to a level of reasonable PvP competitiveness in a time that is not too long.

Still, it involves being able to make several tens of millions to then buy what one needs to be able to PvP.........

 

[Lord Drakelord]

You mean bags of sending now work again from inside the Felucca dungeons ?

Or it is planned and not yet available ?

And what do you mean about the weight change to gold ?

Last I remember is that it was not convenient to send gold to bank using a bag of sending because 1 charge would send too little and not make it worth it. Not to mention the cost loss of a charged bag in case one was pkilled.......

What is it like now ?

The problem with UO is that in order to be competitive in PvP with existing players one needs in between gear, weapons and powerscrolls tens upon tens upon tens of millions making the curve way too steep and long to climb.......

I am only trying to see "if" there is a faster way to be able to catch up to a level of reasonable PvP competitiveness in a time that is not too long.

Still, it involves being able to make several tens of millions to then buy what one needs to be able to PvP.........

They change the BOS back to the way it was before the nerf it, and they increase the amount of gold you carry by reducing the weight. In the past my tamer could carry maybe 18k, today he can carry like 40k,[bandaids force him to carry less], my bard can hold over 60k before using just one charge to send it to the bank. As far as I remember BOS work in Fel Dungeons, but don't hold me to that as its been a while since my last trip to a fel dungeon.

I do very well in Trammel for my gold needs, being I have played since 99 I am doing very well. I am not super rich, but I do have all I really need to have fun in UO.

 

[Draxous]

Lady melisande (blighted grove best in a group of 2-4 with tamers)

I solo Lady Mel (2 computers FTW!)

You only need 2 chars to solo Lady Mel. I kill her with 2700-3000 luck...

I get Ingredients, Crimson Cincture's, Hair Dyes, Set pieces, ML Artifacts and with the luck I'm running I pull items with 5 properties all close to max intensity... which is the main reason aside from the CC's that I'm fighting her.

Just the other day I pulled this cleaver...

50% Hit Lower Defense
13% Hit Chance Inc
47% Damage Increase
30% Swing Speed Inc
UBWS



Only problem is that I'm doing this when I'm bored on Siege (and thus, on Atlantic) and not PvPing on Atlantic (and thus, PvMing... which as you can tell is not that often.)

But, if I was dedicated... I could make butt-loads of gold. I just don't care enough to waste so much time on it.

 

[Sarsmi]

IDOCs. I placed a tram castle yesterday (go me!).

 

[popps]

I solo Lady Mel (2 computers FTW!)

You only need 2 chars to solo Lady Mel. I kill her with 2700-3000 luck...

I get Ingredients, Crimson Cincture's, Hair Dyes, Set pieces, ML Artifacts and with the luck I'm running I pull items with 5 properties all close to max intensity... which is the main reason aside from the CC's that I'm fighting her.

How can you put together a suit with 3,000 luck that will also protect you with high resists and all rest that may be needed to hunt a Peerless in 2 players (like 100% LRC, high SDI and so on) ??

What are the pieces you are using and the template you are running if I may ask ?

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

For a returning player to UO after years away, what would be the best way to make the most millions to catch up the fastest ?

Buy it from scripters like everyone else.

 

[Tom_Builder]

IMO, you're one player we could do without, at least here on Stratics.

After many of the posts I have seen you make, the same could be said about you.

 

[Connor_Graham]

After many of the posts I have seen you make, the same could be said about you.

Sorry, but this guy's got me beat hands down. He even got to the point where the mods were getting ticked off at his multiple, daily, whining posts and simply locking his threads. There's a difference in being opinionated and whining daily.

 

[popps]

Sorry, but this guy's got me beat hands down. He even got to the point where the mods were getting ticked off at his multiple, daily, whining posts and simply locking his threads. There's a difference in being opinionated and whining daily.

I am not sure if I can recall as a LOT of time went by, apparently, what were the issues being discussed that even caused threads to be locked ?

It surprises me a whole lot though since it is my habit to always tend to be respectfull of others and I do not recall much of my posts being reprimended by Moderators.

I mean, when a Moderator finds wrong posts they also send a PM to the poster right ?

Well, I don't recall receiving such Personal Messages from Moderators.......

 

[Draxous]

I solo Lady Mel (2 computers FTW!)

You only need 2 chars to solo Lady Mel. I kill her with 2700-3000 luck...

I get Ingredients, Crimson Cincture's, Hair Dyes, Set pieces, ML Artifacts and with the luck I'm running I pull items with 5 properties all close to max intensity... which is the main reason aside from the CC's that I'm fighting her.

How can you put together a suit with 3,000 luck that will also protect you with high resists and all rest that may be needed to hunt a Peerless in 2 players (like 100% LRC, high SDI and so on) ??

What are the pieces you are using and the template you are running if I may ask ?

.

 

[Mistura]

I have not played UO for well over a year and a half;

When did the bag of sending changes happen? I'm sure you were quite a prominent poster not that long ago...

You were the guy with the Powerscrolls in fel were you not?

Anyway... Welcome back

 

[Mistura]

To solo lady mel you would probably use 2 accounts simultaniously. Bush Archer and Greater Dragon Tamer with obscene amounts of Mana Regen (I'm talking 120 Med and Focus as well as about 16 MR on suit and maxed out LMC)

As well as dual clienting you would need to be dual keyboarding so that you could keep EoO, Concecrete and Lightning Strike going on the Archer while keeping the GD Healed...

I was actually thinking of trying this the other day.

 

[popps]

You were the guy with the Powerscrolls in fel were you not?

Not sure what you mean with that. If you mean that I had issues about powerscrolls then yes.

I believe that a PvP game, in order to be healthy, needs to have any and all players be able in a reasonable time to be competitive with all other players, even those who have been playing for a long time. The ONLY one thing that should differentiate players, IMHO, should be real life skill, not in game buffs and bonuses which most often go to power gamers.......

Meaning, that I think any and all items providing bonuses in a PvP game should be accessable to all players be it armor, weapons or powerscrolls.

Unfortunately, not sure now, but back then Power scrolls were a monopoly of just a few players holding them tight and all other players, at least for 120 ones, had to pay dearly for them.

I think this hurts the game (along with scripting...) because it may put off players and that is why I tried discussing the issue.

Anyway... Welcome back

Thanks, still trying to figure out whether the game may have changed for the better or it is still too much the way it was, which got me to leave it........

 

[Draxous]

To solo lady mel you would probably use 2 accounts simultaniously. Bush Archer and Greater Dragon Tamer with obscene amounts of Mana Regen (I'm talking 120 Med and Focus as well as about 16 MR on suit and maxed out LMC)

As well as dual clienting you would need to be dual keyboarding so that you could keep EoO, Concecrete and Lightning Strike going on the Archer while keeping the GD Healed...

I was actually thinking of trying this the other day.

Bingo and you get the cookie.

I use two computers.

And it's a bushi chiv archer in wraith form with 120SS to drain mels mana...

Magic Shortbow with 20HCI 50HLD 30SSI and Velocity would be ideal... NO hit spell because that may cause lady M to attack you (the archer.)

1500 luck suit + luck statue + perfection = 3000+ luck as top damage dealer.

 

[Mistura]

You were the guy with the Powerscrolls in fel were you not?

Not sure what you mean with that. If you mean that I had issues about powerscrolls then yes.

I believe that a PvP game, in order to be healthy, needs to have any and all players be able in a reasonable time to be competitive with all other players, even those who have been playing for a long time. The ONLY one thing that should differentiate players, IMHO, should be real life skill, not in game buffs and bonuses which most often go to power gamers.......

Meaning, that I think any and all items providing bonuses in a PvP game should be accessable to all players be it armor, weapons or powerscrolls.

Unfortunately, not sure now, but back then Power scrolls were a monopoly of just a few players holding them tight and all other players, at least for 120 ones, had to pay dearly for them.

I think this hurts the game (along with scripting...) because it may put off players and that is why I tried discussing the issue.

Anyway... Welcome back

Thanks, still trying to figure out whether the game may have changed for the better or it is still too much the way it was, which got me to leave it........

lol... that cool man no worries. I just remember you as the Powerscrolls in Trammel guy

Anyway, the situation that we have now is fine, powerscrolls are still fel only however they are dropping 120s more freequently now and prices are generally quite good. I think you can pick up most of the top end scrolls for around 5m except magery which is still anything in the 10-15 range...

There are however, replicas of old em items dropping on all tram and fel ruleset spawns now, so there is now a good reason to do spawns in tram. Replicas are thee item to have now and are selling for crazy prices like 50m for the Lieutenants (sp) Guard Sash with LRC etc...

Everyone can get a slice of it without having to PvP so this should be to your liking at least

 

[Wilde1]

to the OP...


work the first two levels of champ spawns in t2a, get transcendence scrolls and bank them as soon as they hit your bag, then sell the scrolls. great gold and you dont need to be a powerscrolled, elite-geared character to manage the spawn. You'll get Pkd now and then, but if you bank the scrolls as you get them its worth it.

 

[wanderer1origin]

look into factions

You mean bags of sending now work again from inside the Felucca dungeons ?

Or it is planned and not yet available ?

And what do you mean about the weight change to gold ?

Last I remember is that it was not convenient to send gold to bank using a bag of sending because 1 charge would send too little and not make it worth it. Not to mention the cost loss of a charged bag in case one was pkilled.......

What is it like now ?

The problem with UO is that in order to be competitive in PvP with existing players one needs in between gear, weapons and powerscrolls tens upon tens upon tens of millions making the curve way too steep and long to climb.......

I am only trying to see "if" there is a faster way to be able to catch up to a level of reasonable PvP competitiveness in a time that is not too long.

Still, it involves being able to make several tens of millions to then buy what one needs to be able to PvP.........

 

[Thangorodrim]

As well as dual clienting you would need to be dual keyboarding so that you could keep EoO, Concecrete and Lightning Strike going on the Archer while keeping the GD Healed...

I was actually thinking of trying this the other day.

You wont need two keyboards; check out the software package 'synergy' on sourceforge.

 

[Chiera]

For a returning player to UO after years away, what would be the best way to make the most millions to catch up the fastest ?

sad but true, the fastest way to catch up item wise would be to join factions and farm silver

 

[popps]

sad but true, the fastest way to catch up item wise would be to join factions and farm silver

Why ??

What does silvr sell for, nowadays ?

Or, are you talking about using the silver to actually craft the Faction artifacts ?

If so, aren't the artifacts only usable by Faction members ?

That is, that ordinary non-Faction players cannot equip them thus reducing the market for Faction items greatly (way less demand.......) ?

 

[RichDC]

Actually got to agree, if you want the fastest way to build an artifact based suit would be to join factions.

You can find information on the new artifacts and consumables here:

http://www.uoguide.com/Factions

 

[RichDC]

Why ??

What does silvr sell for, nowadays ?

Or, are you talking about using the silver to actually craft the Faction artifacts ?

If so, aren't the artifacts only usable by Faction members ?

That is, that ordinary non-Faction players cannot equip them thus reducing the market for Faction items greatly (way less demand.......) ?

Silver does sell but it allows you to become somewhat competitive without forking out millions upon millions.

Unless of course your talking dexxer, then you still need a weapon.

 

[popps]

There are however, replicas of old em items dropping on all tram and fel ruleset spawns now, so there is now a good reason to do spawns in tram.

Question.

The new items dropping, be them Scrolls of Transcendence or Replicas or whatever else, appear in one's own backpack or need to be actually looted from kills' corpses ?

If they need to be looted things could get hectic with one having to kill spawn fast AND have to look around all corpses piling up.......

Oh, and what are these "bones" for that I hear about that people collect at the Oaks spawn in Ilshenar ?

By the way, is there like a Compendium somewhere that lists all of the changes to the game that could help returning players keep up with all the changes and new stuff was introduced over the years ?

Things can get VERY confusing for a player wanting to come back....
Personally, seeing at the HUGE number of items around I get a feeling that the game may have gotten out of hand. There is simply way too many items around with way too many bonuses to mix up that one can possibly keep track of. And more new items get released without taking out old and obsolete ones. So, items add up and add up and add up some more.....
I kinda feel like one needs some managing utility to just keep up with all of the various combinations possible with all of the existing items.

Too confusing, IMHO.

Oh, and what are these posts I read about duping high end large Bulk Order Deeds about ???

It STILL is possible to dupe items in UO ?

WOW. The game is about 12 years old and it has not been able to get rid of duping and scripting ???????????????????

WOW, WOW and again WOW.

Will things change for good with Stygian Abyss or we will never ever get rid of duping and scripting in this game ??

I always HATED playing the game and spending my time to WORK for items seeing then other players use short cuts as duping or scripting and eventually I had enough and left the game because of that.

Does this means I better close my story with Ultima Online because there simply is no hope, after 12 years, that duping and scripting will be finally fixed once and for all ??

 

[RichDC]

Question.

The new items dropping, be them Scrolls of Transcendence or Replicas or whatever else, appear in one's own backpack or need to be actually looted from kills' corpses ?

If they need to be looted things could get hectic with one having to kill spawn fast AND have to look around all corpses piling up.......

They fall into your pack. Like the doom arties. On that note things from peerless do not drop in your pack and must be looted.

 

[RichDC]

Question.

Oh, and what are these "bones" for that I hear about that people collect at the Oaks spawn in Ilshenar ?

By the way, is there like a Compendium somewhere that lists all of the changes to the game that could help returning players keep up with all the changes and new stuff was introduced over the years ?

Things can get VERY confusing for a player wanting to come back....

Bones are just that...bones. They can be looted from shadow wisps at the spawns and sold to the scripters who do tailor bods(they are needed to make bone armour).

I can find you links to champ spawn/faction changes from the patch notes but there have been so many alterations it would be impossible to state them all.

The best way in all honest is to get out there and learn by doing. I had the same problems when i returned but now im pretty much up to date(i think)

 

[Mistura]

Bones are just that...bones. They can be looted from shadow wisps at the spawns and sold to the scripters who do tailor bods(they are needed to make bone armour).

I can find you links to champ spawn/faction changes from the patch notes but there have been so many alterations it would be impossible to state them all.

The best way in all honest is to get out there and learn by doing. I had the same problems when i returned but now im pretty much up to date(i think)

Nope nope nop... Your still years behind Rich you noob

@ popps: Your starting to focus on the negatives too much when there are alot of POSITVES for you to be looking at right now.

There have been some excellent changes to the game since you left, you will probably enjoy it more now than you did in the past because you can spawn, and get the best rewards in the game, without having to fight other players for them.

Yes there are scripters and probably always will be, but so what? Don't let it stop you enjoying UO, I sure as hell don't!

There are currently no active dupes. There was one about 6 months ago but it was fixed and players were banned. The main impact of that dupe was an influx of Valorite runic hammers and high end weapons/armour into the game. It hasn't really harmed the economy to the best of my knowledge but it has definitely raised the bar in terms of what equipment is available and lowered the prices of Val Hammers slightly (they still go for 20-40m tho)

 

[popps]

@ popps: Your starting to focus on the negatives too much when there are alot of POSITVES for you to be looking at right now.

There have been some excellent changes to the game since you left, you will probably enjoy it more now than you did in the past because you can spawn, and get the best rewards in the game, without having to fight other players for them.

Yes there are scripters and probably always will be, but so what? Don't let it stop you enjoying UO, I sure as hell don't!

Well, the way I see it, I think that I'd like to have my time spent in the game be valued.

Meaning, that if I invest my time I would like this time to bring back to me (yield) a reward that is comparable to the worth of the time spent.

Now, to my opinion, I think that those who dupe and script or exploit bugs and use work around thus shortening their time to get my same items/results devaluate "my" time because they inevitably bring the worth of an item duped or scripted down since more of them become available.

What I am trying to say, is that if getting an item for me is exceptionally difficult or time consuming but to other players because they may dupe it or script it takes way less time, this harms my game play and my time.

At that point, if scripting and duping cannot be eradicated from the game, whatever the reasons, then the only other solution I see as possible is to make it as easy and fast as possible for ALL players to get any and all items.

That is, if duping and scripting cannot be fought, and if I see reports that after 12 years of existance of the game they still show up, occasionally, well, then what else can I conclude with myself that perhaps it is not possible to get rid of them for good ?

But then, should this be the case, it is not fair that some players working for items must have it hard and extremely time consuming while others can have it easy because they either dupe, or script or use other work arounds.

Make any and all items accessable easily, no matter how high end they may be, and this will solve the problems with duping and scripting simply because the items will no longer have that high a value that motivates duping or scripting them.

As long as they are kept as rare and that technically it ain't possible to get rid of duping and scripting, these problems will always be around creating a great injustice among players, IMHO.

Cannot get rid of duping or scripting, whatever the reasons ? Then end having items be too rare or too hard to obtain and make them readily obtainable by all.

Dupers and scripters will no longer find it worth the hassle and stop it.

At least, that's how I see it.

 

[Mistura]

heh...

 

[RichDC]

Apart from BODS, scripts dont affect the high end items. What i mean is, if you wanted a high end hammer(val and verites) you would need to play the mule constantly for a year or 2. You would also need to buy/find alot of low end bods to turn in to recieve more, The scripts for this as far as im aware dont really speed up the proccess instead they just make it easier(less button clicking).

That being said, its nigh on impossible to script the high value items of today, i seriously doubt there is a script to run champ spawns and get a gladiators colla/lt sash(currently selling for 30-50mil). These can be obtained by anyone who does a champ, be it in fel or trammel. The SOT's are another example, the drops(skill choice) are completely random and no way to script them(taming ones on GL still selling for about 1mil per 0.1).

Peerless bosses, although there are tricks to them cannot be scripted. So in essence unless you are a crafter scripters will do nothing to devalue your gametime, in fact they could(i hate saying this) enhance it by making said high end runics easier to come by(if still ridiculously expensive).

 

[popps]

Apart from BODS, scripts dont affect the high end items. What i mean is, if you wanted a high end hammer(val and verites) you would need to play the mule constantly for a year or 2. You would also need to buy/find alot of low end bods to turn in to recieve more, The scripts for this as far as im aware dont really speed up the proccess instead they just make it easier(less button clicking).

That being said, its nigh on impossible to script the high value items of today, i seriously doubt there is a script to run champ spawns and get a gladiators colla/lt sash(currently selling for 30-50mil). These can be obtained by anyone who does a champ, be it in fel or trammel. The SOT's are another example, the drops(skill choice) are completely random and no way to script them(taming ones on GL still selling for about 1mil per 0.1).

Peerless bosses, although there are tricks to them cannot be scripted. So in essence unless you are a crafter scripters will do nothing to devalue your gametime, in fact they could(i hate saying this) enhance it by making said high end runics easier to come by(if still ridiculously expensive).

Well, what about getting the Nets for the Leviathan which can lead to some high end items?

Can that be scripted ?

Or, back when I was still playing I remember that there was that eagle where the cu sidhes spawn which had some special items (suits) spawning on it and players had scripts back then to kill and loot it a go-go.

Perhaps now it is no longer worth it since those items are common......

Also, there used to be scripts to loot a corpse only of whatever items one wanted (special items, gold or else) in a blink of an eye.

Yes, there are looting rights. But when a normal player can only loot a few corpses before they decay (sorting through all of the items to check whether they are keepers or not takes time), some players using automatic looting scripts can just press a key and voila', what they have set as keepers, if they are on that corpse, get looted without even opening up the corpse (the script does it for them).

This of course, allows the scripters to make sure that they get way more wanted items than regular players and creates a gap between players using these scripts and those not using them.

I may overlook an item in a corpse because I am attacked or I do not make it in time to that corpse before it decays because I have to first dodge incoming dangers or whatever.

A scripter can instead just run by a corpse, press a key and loot only what they set as wanted.

Even cursed items obtained in Felucca. A scripter can set up a script automatically sending to bank a cursed item as it appears and just run the script over and over when hunting and not worrying about anyone coming by. Before they can even try stealing the item or attack them the item is already gone, secure in the bank..........

So, scripting affects not only BODs but a number of things in the game and is a very very bad thing, IMHO.

Too bad that after 12 years it still is around........

It was one of the main reasons I stopped playing. I hate playing a game where my time is continuously devaluated by other players using scripts or dupes.

 

[RichDC]

Well, what about getting the Nets for the Leviathan which can lead to some high end items?

Can that be scripted ?

Think this can be scripted but it will still take an age and the casual player could do exactly the same thing, if they designated the same amount of time in, the problem is its boring and no-one wants to do it. Which is why the statues are so valuable(plus the fact they are rare)

This of course, allows the scripters to make sure that they get way more wanted items than regular players and creates a gap between players using these scripts and those not using them.

Loot at present isnt worth picking up, until of course you hit the bosses, then there are looting rights and enough time for everyone to loot there share. You are right that in the high end spawns the script could loot the MOBS but i honestly doubt 2things,
1) that anyone would do this(i dont know how it works but i assume)as the player would need to stop and wait for a few seconds.
2) that it would even be worth it.

Even cursed items obtained in Felucca. A scripter can set up a script automatically sending to bank a cursed item as it appears and just run the script over and over when hunting and not worrying about anyone coming by. Before they can even try stealing the item or attack them the item is already gone, secure in the bank..........

Cursed items cannot be sent to the bank, script or no. The Bags of sending do not allow the sending of Cursed items. The replicas can be insured so that isnt really affected either.

So, scripting affects not only BODs but a number of things in the game and is a very very bad thing, IMHO.

Too bad that after 12 years it still is around........

It will be around in 50years, people will always find a way around things. They will alawys find a way to make the remedial automated, and as these tasks are generally not popular the items are valuable due to supply and demand.

It was one of the main reasons I stopped playing. I hate playing a game where my time is continuously devaluated by other players using scripts or dupes

Dupes are totally different to scripts, they undermine the economy by flooding the supply of high end items. Scripts really just make it easier for a player, the time frame is still the same (as in 1/5000chance of getting something).

Ill finish by saying that, yes scripting is annoying and in general not a good thing for any game(especially pvp scripts) but i wouldnt say it undervalues your gametime unless you let it. I dont play the game to have a load of Pixle stacks, when i get money i usually have spent it in minutes to better my suits/weapons. I dont buy armour/weapons i will make my own, i like my name on things, as i dont have the time or the inclination to play a smith all the time(either scripted or not its still boring) i doubt i will ever see a val hammer bod in my pack so i will buy them from the scripters, unfortunatly keeping them in business, but thats life.

 

[popps]

Think this can be scripted but it will still take an age and the casual player could do exactly the same thing, if they designated the same amount of time in, the problem is its boring and no-one wants to do it. Which is why the statues are so valuable(plus the fact they are rare)

Then I think the game itself should have scripting built in so that ALL players can use it.

The point is not whether there is or not scripting in a game, IMHO, the point is whether only a fraction of the players take advantage of it over other players thus, gaining an edge.

If scripting cannot be eradicated, whatever the reasons may be, well, then add scripting to the game so that ALL players can use it and balance out things among them.

 

[Mistura]

Even cursed items obtained in Felucca. A scripter can set up a script automatically sending to bank a cursed item as it appears and just run the script over and over when hunting and not worrying about anyone coming by

Cursed items can't be sent using bag of sending..

 

[Mistura]

Then I think the game itself should have scripting built in so that ALL players can use it.

The point is not whether there is or not scripting in a game, IMHO, the point is whether only a fraction of the players take advantage of it over other players thus, gaining an edge.

If scripting cannot be eradicated, whatever the reasons may be, well, then add scripting to the game so that ALL players can use it and balance out things among them.

I think we all know that legalizing scripting is never going to happen because its just a bad idea...no AWFUL idea.