Renowned Hijackers

[longshanks]

personally i don't see the big deal in other's attacking the reknown or slasher.
no different than killing navrey.

these are consequences of the game.

your in tram and people are free to jump in without repercussions. That's the price you pay for avoiding pvp.

your in fel and work a champ up to the boss and get raided whereby you lose the champ, scrolls and waste your hard work, well you knew there was a chance of that going in. On the flipside you can do something about it.

Life's not fair people. Never has been, never will be. Get over it.

 

[Der Rock]

Yeah right, Seige, like Fel., is a failed concept. That's why no one goes and those there have to beg for players. Tram is not hello kitty, or pink and fluff.....it's called not dealing with morons, or cheaters, or just plain nutjobs.

Oceania has more players.

good post

 

[longshanks]

Yeah right, Seige, like Fel., is a failed concept. That's why no one goes and those there have to beg for players. Tram is not hello kitty, or pink and fluff.....it's called not dealing with morons, or cheaters, or just plain nutjobs.

Oceania has more players.

good post

This fails, as the original poster is complaining that she is in tram and dealing with a moron that is jumping her spawn.

and there are plenty of people in fel and on seige but you wouldn't know that cause your afraid to go there.

 

[Der Rock]

This fails, as the original poster is complaining that she is in tram and dealing with a moron that is jumping her spawn.

and there are plenty of people in fel and on seige but you wouldn't know that cause your afraid to go there.

1.jumping or stealing HER SPAWN impossible, because of non existent

2.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

so last few nites ive been fighting renowneds and have had some other person just walk up and jump in on the renowned fight. Now I wouldnt mind if I was asked but since I wasnt asked and he didnt kill any of the spawn before hand, I found it to be quite rude. Now again tonite another unknown by me character keeps running in on the renowneds I summon. Now since its not fel whats the rules? I dont think its fair that I do all the work just to have some one run in to hijack my artie chance.

whats the big deal. Rights are the same.

 

[o2bavr6]

so last few nites ive been fighting renowneds and have had some other person just walk up and jump in on the renowned fight. Now I wouldnt mind if I was asked but since I wasnt asked and he didnt kill any of the spawn before hand, I found it to be quite rude. Now again tonite another unknown by me character keeps running in on the renowneds I summon. Now since its not fel whats the rules? I dont think its fair that I do all the work just to have some one run in to hijack my artie chance.

Not that this has anything to do with you directly, but:

That is what players get when people whined about PKers in Sosaria, so they made Tram. Now there is nothing that can be done about people like that. At least in the old days you could do something about it.

 

[phantus]

so last few nites ive been fighting renowneds and have had some other person just walk up and jump in on the renowned fight. Now I wouldnt mind if I was asked but since I wasnt asked and he didnt kill any of the spawn before hand, I found it to be quite rude. Now again tonite another unknown by me character keeps running in on the renowneds I summon. Now since its not fel whats the rules? I dont think its fair that I do all the work just to have some one run in to hijack my artie chance.

This is why UO is doomed to a low playerbase. This thread already has numerous jackass comments about how this all the fault of trammel and no risk. Guess who these people are that are jumping the renown on you?

Anyway, there is no point in coming to complain here. UHall is where those who used to play uo come to troll. See Aran. At least he consistent.

The only option is to petition the developers to use a better system than they have put in place. The paragon arti system is perfect for the UO environment but they don't use it either out of ignorance(because they don't actually play UO) or because they wish for this type of event to occur. All you are going to receive here are anti trammel statements from bitter people who keep dreaming of what was.

 

[Evlar]

You could also say that a lot of players are so intent on getting the latest "best" items, rather than just play the game. That the item centric game, has indeed created a negetive, greedy atmosphere amongst gamers.

It's not the first time I've seen this sort of complaint. It certainly won't be the last.

I see both sides of the argument. Individuals or groups hogging spawns, camping spawns, has always been an issue since the game began. Players jumping in at the end of a spawn, without contributing to the work to get there, has also been around since those types of creature additions were made. Dragging spawns and luring have always been around too. It's a massively-multiplayer game, so these things will always happen. I'm not condoning any of those actions, just suggesting that it's never likely to change.

For what it's worth, my preference is always to speak to a player first, in either scenario. Communication in an online game, it's a wonderful thing...

To suggest that the players "jumping in" is limited to the same people that prefer Siege style gameplay or Fel ruleset gameplay Phantus, quite frankly Sir/Madam, you are the jackass. The problems are caused by individuals, regardless of which ruleset they prefer.

It's your sort of assumption making drivel, that reminds me of segregation of old, finger pointing because someone has a difference of religion or skin colour. Just because they're "different" from you, they quite obviously must be the culprits...

Shame on you!

 

[Gowron]

so last few nites ive been fighting renowneds and have had some other person just walk up and jump in on the renowned fight. Now I wouldnt mind if I was asked but since I wasnt asked and he didnt kill any of the spawn before hand, I found it to be quite rude. Now again tonite another unknown by me character keeps running in on the renowneds I summon. Now since its not fel whats the rules? I dont think its fair that I do all the work just to have some one run in to hijack my artie chance.

First off, most times I don't purposely do things to "interfere" with anyone. However, this is an MMORPG. As such, players will "clash" in persuing their goals as one may likely interfere with another.

Having said that, every once in a while, I get the urge to do champ spawns or the mini spawns. Also, when I log in to "do" something, waiting is not really a desirable option. As it was during ToT III, it is now. NOBODY owns any territory in Trammel rulesets outside of their own house plot. So, if I am desiring a minichamp, and someone is working a reknowned, well, I'm going to jump in and help. After all, I'd like the mini champ to progress, and I don't want to wait. I pay the same amount of my well earned money as anyone else in this game, and nobody is granted any more special consideration than I am.

I have a feeling that the same type of person which did the OP would likely have been the person griefing me for actually playing the part of defending Magincia while they were frothing at the mouth to destroy it for a chance at "rubble".

Different playstyles for different people, but for every choice there are consequences. At least I can say that I didn't trash talk someone who didn't initiate it with me first.

 

[Gheed]

So you duel client and cry taht someone is there while your hands are full with you playing 2 different charactor? It boggles my mind the blaintent things that people do.

I didn't mind that he showed up. It's an open slasher spawn....in a tram rule set. Anyone can fight it any time they choose.

However... I am not obligated to tend to you while you are afk or to become your personal res station if you can't handle the fight. Those things are my choice. "Hey mind if I jump in on this?" or "Do you need any help?".. something like that... isn't all that hard to type.

I have only done a few slasher fights. It seems dying at least once is pretty common. Being courteous to others may actually benefit you if the battle goes bad...

As far as blatant things that people do, me in this case, I can see the moral issues you and others might have with that. Multi-client instancing used to not be allowed. But anyone can run multiple clients on the same machine now. At least I can run two 2d clients at the same time. I haven't tried any other client/uo assist combos. Even before that I had two computers. So yes I was blatantly using two accounts that I pay for at the same time on two different machines that I have also payed for.

It does make things very challenging. I guess I should find out for sure if it is legal or not.

 

[MalagAste]

You need to get an Wii and play some dance dance revolution or something. Uo is not a single player game. We are all here to fight down the evil monsters found in the underworld.

I'll jump in any dangerous spawn when I see it. You don't own the spawn.

You want a single player game - go play one.

I don't want a single player game what I prefer is one where I get some common courtesy and RESPECT....

I treat others that way...

I don't jump in on others without asking if they mind...

If I see someone working hard at a spawn I let them have it... and go find something else to hunt most times.

Now as for the fairy dragon spawn.... well trick here is ..... this and the snakes are part of the peerless and if you want to go do the peerless you need to gather the keys... so it's not uncommon for folk to jump those.... and the Navrey well that's always crowded with folk so good luck keeping that to yourself...

But there is nothing wrong with common courtesy and respect... two things that are sadly lacking in the UO communities IMO.


But I guess that's what one should expect when you play a game filled with scripters, hackers, cheaters and scammers.

 

[jaraxlebaenrae]

I don't want a single player game what I prefer is one where I get some common courtesy and RESPECT....

I treat others that way...

I don't jump in on others without asking if they mind...

If I see someone working hard at a spawn I let them have it... and go find something else to hunt most times.

Now as for the fairy dragon spawn.... well trick here is ..... this and the snakes are part of the peerless and if you want to go do the peerless you need to gather the keys... so it's not uncommon for folk to jump those.... and the Navrey well that's always crowded with folk so good luck keeping that to yourself...

But there is nothing wrong with common courtesy and respect... two things that are sadly lacking in the UO communities IMO.


But I guess that's what one should expect when you play a game filled with scripters, hackers, cheaters and scammers.

and whiners.....

 

[phantus]

You could also say that a lot of players are so intent on getting the latest "best" items, rather than just play the game. That the item centric game, has indeed created a negetive, greedy atmosphere amongst gamers.

It's not the first time I've seen this sort of complaint. It certainly won't be the last.

I see both sides of the argument. Individuals or groups hogging spawns, camping spawns, has always been an issue since the game began. Players jumping in at the end of a spawn, without contributing to the work to get there, has also been around since those types of creature additions were made. Dragging spawns and luring have always been around too. It's a massively-multiplayer game, so these things will always happen. I'm not condoning any of those actions, just suggesting that it's never likely to change.

For what it's worth, my preference is always to speak to a player first, in either scenario. Communication in an online game, it's a wonderful thing...

To suggest that the players "jumping in" is limited to the same people that prefer Siege style gameplay or Fel ruleset gameplay Phantus, quite frankly Sir/Madam, you are the jackass. The problems are caused by individuals, regardless of which ruleset they prefer.

It's your sort of assumption making drivel, that reminds me of segregation of old, finger pointing because someone has a difference of religion or skin colour. Just because they're "different" from you, they quite obviously must be the culprits...

Shame on you!

Well, Mr/Ms Evlar the jackass' are the ones that make it about something that it is not. Like you did. The item part of this situation is a moot point. The ends justifying the means still makes a jackass. Common courtesy is lost on this game and especially on these boards. To so many people on these boards it's "just a game." The people are not real they are part of the game regardless of the fact they live and breath on the other end of their keyboard. Yet we cry and whine about lost communites from a time that is no more because back then everyone was happy because this situation did not arise. Back then there was no sharing at all. Not only did they jump in they killed you. Not for the item, just for the thrill.

No manners and bad attitude are not a result of the evil horrible items of the current UO gameworld. Siege/Fel players are predisposed to dislike sharing because in their environment they don't have to. This does not, by any means, mean it's a trait of all those that prefer those rulesets. To blindly say it's not a good possbility the same players are those doing these things is not so much of a stretch. Pay attention to the posters then compare that with their general attitude of tram or fel and a very obvious pattern emerges. It's not difficult to see where I draw my conclusions and anyone whoe pays attentions to what other posters post on a particular stance knows exactly what I'm saying. It's not rocket science.

My point that I really wanted to make was this situation is the fault of the developers and not of the players themselves. Self policing by players was and is an abyssal failure and always will be. It's up to the developers to code around this. In a paragon situation there can be up to 16 players that can recieve the reward from any paragon monster. In this situation there is only 1 reward and it drops on the corpse. 1 word of death can give a would be "jumper" the potential prize that was worked up by others. This causes that player to be discouraged and is not good for the game. Especially when there is a system already in place that could be used to circumvent this problem from happening.

 

[KalVasTENKI]

I love jumping in on spawn.

Hahaha source on Avatar?

 

[Shakkar]

I would like to share a instance with you that has happened recently. As a elf the only place you can tame cu sidhe is in the twisted weld ilshnaer.As taming Cu's a char came in and started killing my tame each time. after about 3 kills he told me he was going to page the gm on me.Now i'm a elf taming and this person is disturbing my activities of which I was there first. And he pages on me for taming. How does this person think i am doing wrong? But alas that is the case.Alot of people just talk and do not think. I do relize there is 2 sides to every coin. But really.Some of the ignorance that occurs daily here is somewhat ridiculous.Point of order. Just because someone doesnt relize they can set there char to run all the time. They have to say that char is cheating when they see them running. So most of the games griefing and complaints is due to shear ignorance and NON understanding something. Is there cheats and griefers? YES! are you talented and educated enough to single them out? probably not.Should this effect your personal gameplay? I would hope not.I believe the down fall of Uo is do to players under 18 playing without adult supervision.If we inforce the rules we have and throw some suspensions to these fowl mouthed immature players we would clean up UO enough to where this type of occurence would truly be isolated.And you would be able to fight your renowned and I could tame some cu's.But as it stands UO will never follow this recomendation and continue to spiral out of control. untill all you have truly is the offended playing. each greifing someoneelse not only becasue they can but, beacuse it will be the norm. I plan to quit UO the day before this tragic end.

 

[Gidge]

i guess over the years of playing UO, a lot of things that we have now are taken for granted.

If you had played some years back, all you had to do was hit soemthing once and you got looting rights and a drop.

Now i understand the "rudeness" factor, but this has all been address with looting and drops based on the amount of damage you do. And seperate loot boxes for all who do a certain damage.

i guess that having someone help kill it, would help get another renowed to pop sooner therefore giving you a quicker chance at another artie.

i have a guildmate that fights them often on his own and doesn't get anything many times.

So don't think they are stealing your artie drop. It's just a chance rating.

Just be thankful that this system is in place now.

You Classic Shard wanting folks are in for a "RUDE" awakening.

 

[UOKaiser]

You need to get an Wii and play some dance dance revolution or something. Uo is not a single player game. We are all here to fight down the evil monsters found in the underworld.

I'll jump in any dangerous spawn when I see it. You don't own the spawn.

You want a single player game - go play one.

What would you consider dangerous? My characters are developed. I can one on one mostly everything renowns are hardly dangerous. When someone jumps on something I can handle it makes no sence. It's like me jumping on there ogre killing or mongbat killing time.

 

[Nosbor]

This doesn't really bother me for two reasons:
1) I played before corpses were instanced and a third of the player base was scripting or script looting.
2) Unless they changed how arties drop in the Abyss, my chance at an arty doesn't change between solo'ing it and doing just enough damage to get loot rights.
While I think that some of these people only act like that due to the Internet Anonymity Theory, most probably just don't see anything wrong with it. You can call them out all you want but in the end you either let them ruin your day, or you just go on.

 

[Theo_GL]

What would you consider dangerous? My characters are developed. I can one on one mostly everything renowns are hardly dangerous. When someone jumps on something I can handle it makes no sence. It's like me jumping on there ogre killing or mongbat killing time.

Anything that will attack you is a 'dangerous spawn'.

Its funny how no one cared about Reknown jumping was not an issue when their loot was crap. All of a sudden you add some chance of an arty and the world freaks out.

UO is filled with a bunch of greedy people. Gimme gimme gimme.

There is no 'courtesy' in letting someone solo spawn. If this game were a solo game then yes. There is NOTHING wrong with attacking something that someone is working.

Again - if you don't like it - go play a single player game.

I think its because UO population is so low people are not used to sharing anything anymore. I remember the days when there was a decent population and every dungeon had people in it. You shared everything.

If you want spawn all your own - go do peerless.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Same system for relic chance needs to be applied to all looting and chance drops. Most damage first and best chance. The game tracks by the virtue system for champs spawns. Need to have that for the mini champs also. Resets all players in spawn area and ones that come late or returns to area. Only those that rack up enough mini virtue from lesser levels can actually hurt the boss.

 

[katluma]

I remember them putting in something on spawns where to get a special item you had to be there from second level up of the spawn. That was the case of the Tokuno mini champ spawn. Not sure if that applies to the big or Fel spawns. You can get scrolls but no chance of a special item unless you were there from the second level spawn.

 

[Evlar]

You Classic Shard wanting folks are in for a "RUDE" awakening.

Well, for one thing, there weren't artefacts then, but silver vanquishing weapons or invulnerability armour, were often coveted. Even then, they weren't so superior to GM crafted items, that it was that much of a concern or issue.

The main issue as I recall at the time, was people farming particular spawns, because the gold drop was good. Anything decent so far as weapons, armour or anything semi-rare, was more of a bonus.

The elder gazer rooms in Shame were one area that springs to mind. I often recall people paging GM's complaining because someone was camped in a room for long periods of time and others would get upset, especially with tamers or bards. Personally, rather than wait and complain, I would head off somewhere else. There were plenty of other things out there to fight. I never had an issue with tamers or bards either. They took the time and effort to work the skills. I created a tamer myself having seen how powerful they were in such areas at the time.

See, what I can't particularly grasp these days, is that for a lot of people, the sole purpose of hunting a creature of some description, is to get an "item". If they don't get one, they cry like a spoiled child.

The most fun I've had in recent times, is hunting with a group and the challenge being that group defeating the creature we face. If there's an item drops, then it's just a nice bonus.

So my own concern regarding UO, is that the focus seems to have narrowed for a lot of players... on items. Is that their fault, or the fault of the game? Depends on what your preferences are I suppose.

 

[soze]

i've read through a lot of the posts above, and have to say that while i understand the frustration, it's a public area....basically a free for all.

If it wasn't, then you would be able to do the spawn in an isolated cave where only you were allowed in. The game was not designed this way.

Now, i wouldnt jump in at the last minute unless asked to, because that's how i would want to be treated. But...this game isnt about how i think others should behave. It's open to all, and relies on interatction between players....some of it will be good, some bad.

And i also agree with the above posts that if you don't like this "open" syle of gameplay...go to a shard, or Fel, where you can defend your area against others coming in.

It may suck to have your renowned hijacked, but would you rather someone come in and kill you, leaving the entire loot for themselves?

 

[UOKaiser]

Anything that will attack you is a 'dangerous spawn'.

Its funny how no one cared about Reknown jumping was not an issue when their loot was crap. All of a sudden you add some chance of an arty and the world freaks out.

UO is filled with a bunch of greedy people. Gimme gimme gimme.

There is no 'courtesy' in letting someone solo spawn. If this game were a solo game then yes. There is NOTHING wrong with attacking something that someone is working.

Again - if you don't like it - go play a single player game.

I think its because UO population is so low people are not used to sharing anything anymore. I remember the days when there was a decent population and every dungeon had people in it. You shared everything.

If you want spawn all your own - go do peerless.

Of course I would prefer someone ask me and not jump in. That is rude in trammel. Not socialize behavior. If people truly believed this was not a solo game they would use the ability of interacting with your fellow player typing in words to extend the politeness if they can join in the fight. Only people who believe this is a solo player game just jump in and fight creatures without regard to anybody else that populates the game world, treating every PC as a NPC.

 

[Smoot]

Of course I would prefer someone ask me and not jump in. That is rude in trammel. Not socialize behavior. If people truly believed this was not a solo game they would use the ability of interacting with your fellow player typing in words to extend the politeness if they can join in the fight. Only people who believe this is a solo player game just jump in and fight creatures without regard to anybody else that populates the game world, treating every PC as a NPC.

Like i said before it all depends on the situation. If its someone / guild i respect, i would ask, or even if its someone who is soloing on a template its actually relatively hard at. Something tells me the OR was a tamer haha, or maybe bard. And... its rude to assume you Have to be asked to take an overly long time to kill something. I remember when people farmed swoops and would complain that someone was "stealing the kill" when they were taking 10 mins to kill one swoop. Same thing goes here, if your complaining about the time it took you to kill the spawn, then odds are your gonna take a long time on the mini boss.

 

[o2bavr6]

This is why UO is doomed to a low playerbase. This thread already has numerous jackass comments about how this all the fault of trammel and no risk. Guess who these people are that are jumping the renown on you?

Did you play before there was a Tram? Yes PKers sucked and yes it sucked to lose all the stuff you worked hard for, but it was also the most exciting times ever in UO.

And no I am not one of the people who jump their Renowns, because that would require me to enter Tram, which I never do, other than to go to Luna bank on my blue and that is only out of convenience because its so close to a moongate,

Not every PKers is a jackass, mostly the kiddies are.

 

[Lady CaT]

Ironically, not sharing and greed are also rude behaviors

 

[phantus]

This is why UO is doomed to a low playerbase. This thread already has numerous jackass comments about how this all the fault of trammel and no risk. Guess who these people are that are jumping the renown on you?

Did you play before there was a Tram? Yes PKers sucked and yes it sucked to lose all the stuff you worked hard for, but it was also the most exciting times ever in UO.

And no I am not one of the people who jump their Renowns, because that would require me to enter Tram, which I never do, other than to go to Luna bank on my blue and that is only out of convenience because its so close to a moongate,

Not every PKers is a jackass, mostly the kiddies are.

I have been playing since Sept 98. PKers were never my problem it was always the thieves I thought were out of control.

If you will allow me to quote from the same post you quoted me above but somehow didn't include:

Siege/Fel players are predisposed to dislike sharing because in their environment they don't have to. This does not, by any means, mean it's a trait of all those that prefer those rulesets. To blindly say it's not a good possbility the same players are those doing these things is not so much of a stretch.

 

[Invalid]

I'm on Xalan's server and I've seen the guy that prompted this thread. He does nothing but run laps around the Abyss looking for people working spawns then joins in on the boss, and only the boss. Infact, if you are working the spawn and almost have the boss summoned, he'll invis right next to you and wait it out. No matter how you spin it, or how many people you call a trammy, that is stupid BS. Especially on a ruleset where you can do nothing about it.

 

[soze]

I'm on Xalan's server and I've seen the guy that prompted this thread. He does nothing but run laps around the Abyss looking for people working spawns then joins in on the boss, and only the boss. Infact, if you are working the spawn and almost have the boss summoned, he'll invis right next to you and wait it out. No matter how you spin it, or how many people you call a trammy, that is stupid BS. Especially on a ruleset where you can do nothing about it.

agreed...it is BS, and if there is a jackass doing this, it is unfortunate.

But, what do you want to happen? What should be done? Not give the guy a peice of the loot if he didnt work the earlier spawn....that would mean if someone abandoned the reowned and left it there, the next person who comes along and kills it (so that a new spawn cycle can start) will get nothing?

What is a solution?

 

[Invalid]

I think the heart of the issue is the stuff spawns on the corpse so you can't implement any sort of bonus such as with replica drops, the tot/doom system etc etc. They have working arty drop systems ingame already, why they made this new one is beyond me.

 

[phantus]

I think the heart of the issue is the stuff spawns on the corpse so you can't implement any sort of bonus such as with replica drops, the tot/doom system etc etc. They have working arty drop systems ingame already, why they made this new one is beyond me.

they....don't.....play....UO......

 

[Invalid]

they....don't.....play....UO......

Or maybe they're 1 of the 20 people that play on Siege. Har Har...