Realistic Pet Dyes?

[WarderDragon]

I was both pleased and a little disappointed when they axed pet dyes. On one hand, the idea of seeing everyone running around on bright green stallions wasn't a pleasant thought. The stuff of nightmares. But on the other hand, those realistic colors that made sense didn't make it. Black, White, Brown.

So what if they were to bring back pet dyes, or some other form of customization, but those options were limited based on the type of pet? So for instance, you could dye a horse brown, black, white, grey, but not green or pink. A dragon on the other hand might look great in green, but not in white.

It seems like some form of pet customization would be a great idea, if it were tweaked so as not to burn our eyes out.

 

[Myna]

agree .... and then permanent

 

[wee papa smurf]

Im also glad they got rid of pet dyes, theres enough colourful toons running around without there pets being dyed crazy colours also

 

[Makaveli]

i say no to pet dyes....

 

[Mitzlplik_SP]

I want my black dragon!

For those that don`t want more natural color choices for pets..... go eat some nightshade or somerthing.

Its stupid that pet dyes got delayed in the first place, even after it was wittled down to NO bright colors. Nothing but a bunch of hipocrites with chests full of AOS dyes crying about loud colored pets. Vocal minority wins again. Why they don`t add ingame polls for stuff like this is beyond me. Would make more sense than pullin your intel off some forums that might represent %2-%5 of the actual playerbase.

 

[The Fallout]

Colors that make sense for the type of pet would be great. Green, dark blue, blackish dragons.... me wants.

 

[UOKaiser]

AM just tired of seeing the same old colors on pets i've seen for 12 years.I mean how many red or that dark brownish dragons we have in this world. Lucky we got some hiruy and cu and other creatures spawng in different colors a major reason they are popular even with low stats. I like to see enhancement to the game not being held back by 90 year olds who hate bright lights and those new things called tape players.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

The decision to NOT provide pet dyes was just one of EA/Mythics tragic choices.

It prides itself on being a Sandbox (which it is no longer, it is template driven=Class). It prides itself on being Free to choose.

Yet, the minority (as implied by EA/Mythic, while throwing down the blanket of having undisclosed input) has managed to remove the very freedom that EA/Mythic prides itself on and throws out there as a reason to play UO.

Yes, I do not like (self toned down choice of words) the neon hair, the potential for ... not liking the choices of colors some may make.

BUT what I like even less is the implication that EA/Mythic is evolving towards having one group tell another group what they can and can not do. Effectively selling our freedom to chose, not just colors, but play styles all of it. As in were do you stop, how do you justify the removal of one groups to choose and justify another groups right to choose.

And no the above is NOT an endorsement to REMOVE THE ToS.

It is a statement about the little things, the inconsequential things that constitutes playing UO.

The short version, So what if I don't like neon hair. I will live with that rather than set in motion the evolution towards having NO CHOICES.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

I want to cross breed a WW with a GD.

 

[Siteswap]

The furore and sebsequent decision to remove pet dyes was not JUST about the colour choices ... a lot of it was the poor implementation i.e. the total rehue of the pet rather than properly done artwork. For this reason I think it was the right decision, and in time we'll get a better product.

 

[Scarst]

The furore and sebsequent decision to remove pet dyes was not JUST about the colour choices ... a lot of it was the poor implementation i.e. the total rehue of the pet rather than properly done artwork. For this reason I think it was the right decision, and in time we'll get a better product.

That's pretty much it if they had redone pets with dyes like being able to change a brown dragons art to a red dragons art it would have worked. If you don't understand what I'm saying go on test buy or tame 2 horses one dark brown and one that patchy brown color and say "give air" and grab the pet air freshener out of your bank and use it on both of them and you will see the difference.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

The furore and sebsequent decision to remove pet dyes was not JUST about the colour choices ... a lot of it was the poor implementation i.e. the total rehue of the pet rather than properly done artwork. For this reason I think it was the right decision, and in time we'll get a better product.

I understand you are expressing an opinion.

Not to be argumentative BUT ...

a lot of it was the poor implementation i.e. the total rehue of the pet rather than properly done artwork

You ever hear of this ...

"Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder"?

Might that suggest to you that visual things may be totally subjective?

Is the majority of UO to be required to bow to your determination of what is beauty? How about we do this, you concede to bow to MY determination of what is beauty and art.

Are you so willing to remove others choice and claim you are the superior judge of what others must like and must not like?

The Furor you refer to was 100% generated by a minority (as implied by EA/Mythic and their blanket statement of "undisclosed sources") of players wanting to tell the majority of the players that they had no clue what good taste, beauty, art was. There should have been far more than an furor.

 

[Aristillus]

Enigma = majority of UO?

 

[The Fallout]

The furore and sebsequent decision to remove pet dyes was not JUST about the colour choices ... a lot of it was the poor implementation i.e. the total rehue of the pet rather than properly done artwork. For this reason I think it was the right decision, and in time we'll get a better product.

I agree with you as in my opinion the colors could have been better. Yet, pretty much the devs sided with the minority... I do hope that they come out with better hued versions and this idea isn't thrown to the back burner.

 

[The Fallout]

Enigma = majority of UO?

Not to burst your bubble, but polls showed that more people wanted the dyes than those that did not. YET, I am pretty sure it was said that out of those that voted YES many of those said they should be re-done more realistically.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Enigma = majority of UO?

Yes, The statement by EA/Mythic indicated that the difference between the minority and the majority, based on their polling and "undisclosed sources" was to small ... yadda yadda yadda.

But yes, the implication strongly suggest that the minority did not want pet dyes, that the majority wanted pet dyes.

 

[Siteswap]

I understand you are expressing an opinion.

Not to be argumentative BUT ...



You ever hear of this ...

"Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder"?

Might that suggest to you that visual things may be totally subjective?

Is the majority of UO to be required to bow to your determination of what is beauty? How about we do this, you concede to bow to MY determination of what is beauty and art.

Are you so willing to remove others choice and claim you are the superior judge of what others must like and must not like?

The Furor you refer to was 100% generated by a minority (as implied by EA/Mythic and their blanket statement of "undisclosed sources") of players wanting to tell the majority of the players that they had no clue what good taste, beauty, art was. There should have been far more than an furor.

So your telling me that pets hued properley, to look like they are meant to is not better than the lazy rehue method they were going to use? Would you still feel the same if they hued every single pet/monster in the game that way?

As for the poll ... it was skewed and badly designed. You dont give people several yes options and one no option and expect a balanced result. From the feedback in the infamous pet dyes thread, it would seem that if they'd given the option of " do you want pet dyes done properly (as in the way new pets/monsters are designed and properly colourred)" then im sure the vote would have gone very differently.

So .. if you think that the rehued pets looked "beautiful" compared to the examples of correctly coloured pets that some posters gave examples of then yes thats your opinion ... and I can recommend a good optician

 

[Aristillus]

Online games are not ran by Democracy. If enough people showed EA/Mythic that they did not want this, than they are probably not going to implement it and risk losing players over it.

I am in favor of a pet dye system as long as it is well done. Pets should have varying hues and textures and not look like they got dunked in a vat of cheap paint.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

... the lazy rehue method ...

compared to the examples of correctly coloured pets that some posters gave examples ...

and I can recommend a good optician

So you are saying that the majority of UO posters need to go have their visual processing system replaced to be a clone of yours.

I fully accept you have no real understanding, in a functional way, of subjective perspectives/points of view.

And hence you will always be the DICTATOR, telling everyone what they think is good.

Good luck with your ... programming of everyone that does not conform.

And as an aside, don't you think it cute of you to also be the one that decides what people REALLY MEANT when they answered the question put to them?

I mean you are telling them they are to stupid to know what they meant and you will most certainly tell them what they meant and how to answer next time.

 

[LadyNico]

I would be happy with a choice of realistic pet dyes, eg properly hued & shaded rather than a simple rehue a la pet air freshener.

I would say that Faction War Horse colours should not be available to anyone except factioneers.

Perhaps faction pet colours could be made available exclusively to factioneers.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Online games are not ran by Democracy. If enough people showed EA/Mythic that they did not want this, than they are probably not going to implement it and risk losing players over it. ...

Look twice you want to rant, go ahead BUT BE ADVISED YOUR RANT IS WITH EA/MYTHIC.

PLEASE DO GO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.

IT WAS THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, CHOOSING THE WORDS THEY WANTED TO USE TO EXPRESS THE CONCEPTS THEY WANTED TO EXPRESS.

TRY REAL HARD TO GRASP THIS, THE DEVIL AND CERTAINLY NO POSTER TOLD THEM WHAT TO SAY.

Because you wont get it, THEY CHOSE TO BRING UP THE DESIGN BY COMMITTEE/DEMOCRACY CONCEPT in their announcement of why they removed it. They could have just as easily and with far less criticism said they DECIDED to not do it the way they had on the table and were going to look at alternatives.

Everyone can restate their opinion, recast their vote and it is still going to be the same. The MINORITY will NOT want Pet Dyes. The MAJORITY will want pet dyes.

 

[Aristillus]

IT WAS THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, CHOOSING THE WORDS THEY WANTED TO USE TO EXPRESS THE CONCEPTS THEY WANTED TO EXPRESS.

Because you wont get it, THEY CHOSE TO BRING UP THE DESIGN BY COMMITTEE/DEMOCRACY CONCEPT in their announcement of why they removed it. They could have just as easily and with far less criticism said they DECIDED to not do it the way they had on the table and were going to look at alternatives.

Everyone can restate their opinion, recast their vote and it is still going to be the same. The MINORITY will NOT want Pet Dyes. The MAJORITY will want pet dyes.

And yet you don't have your cheap looking pet dyes

 

[LadyNico]

I don't actually want pet dyes, I simply do not object to others using them.

It would be pure bonus if the dyes others use are not an eyesore.

 

[red sky]

Or they could perhaps randomize the colors of pets more maybe? Cu sidhes, battle chickens and hiryrus come in a variety of colors, and so do dragons if you really think about it. Maybe the could just make some type of rare chance for more pets to spawn as a certain colors. Like pure and normal colored White Wyrms and nightmares. Pure is much more rare than normal. Although this might be a good way for them to generate more funds. This may cause more problems than it's worth however.

 

[Siteswap]

So you are saying that the majority of UO posters need to go have their visual processing system replaced to be a clone of yours.

I fully accept you have no real understanding, in a functional way, of subjective perspectives/points of view.

And hence you will always be the DICTATOR, telling everyone what they think is good.

Good luck with your ... programming of everyone that does not conform.

And as an aside, don't you think it cute of you to also be the one that decides what people REALLY MEANT when they answered the question put to them?

I mean you are telling them they are to stupid to know what they meant and you will most certainly tell them what they meant and how to answer next time.

I think the term for someone like yourself is a "Paper Tiger". I say this as you cannot possibly behave this way to people you meet in real life. If you did, and this is the 'real you' then you would get a good pasting each and every day. Im guessing you dont and youre just a paper tiger.

Do yourself a favour ... take some time out one day and re read all your posts. Hopefully then you'll see just how obnoxious, rude and arrogant you come across. Hopefully thats not the real you. It would be sad if it was.

I'm now putting you on ignore so I dont have to read your egotistical ranting. Maybe i'll check back and remove you from ignore in a few months time ... to see if youve taken my advice and tried to lose the obnoxious attitude. Hopefully so. Good luck and I hope you get better soon.

 

[Kratos Aurion]

I didn't like the idea of having pet dyes. My ideas would be too

1) Create barding deeds for horses, ridable llamas, ridgebacks, and other lowend mounts. Have it so swamp dragons retain the highest damage reduction with their barding because they're larger creatures and more ugly so they give the best benefit (lol).

2) Implement savage kin paint for animals in tattoo-pattern forms that could be created/manufactured in the same process as staining dyes and share the same colors. This way they aren't permanent (creates market) and people can still have the benefit of having colored pets.

3) Just implement more pet hues for other tamables.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Dragons according to lore come in many varieties and colors. I think it would be best to seperate these shades from those offered for use on other animals. Perhaps a color table that varies the shades between species for starters...but I def think UO could use some color to its creatures. (those who think UO doesn't...take a look at hiryus and tell me otherwise.)

 

[Teeshy]

I liked the idea of pet dyes too =)

I don't get why people are so dead set against dragons being available in all sorts of colours, to me dragons come in all the colours of the rainbow, they're brilliant jewel colours, reds, blues, oranges, pinks, purples, greens and metallic colours, bronze, gold, iron-grey

I guess everyone has read different fantasy, so has a different thought on what colours dragons *would* be, but for me they are every colour =)

I thought they were still going to do pet dyes though? Just doing the hueing differently? I hope so anyways =)

 

[sablestorm]

Is there any way a toggle could be added for default colors for those who don't like looking at them?

When this topic came up, I was initially torn, but the more I thought about it and the more I read the arguments, the more I wanted to see pet dyes implemented. Having said that, the solution that would seem to satisfy everyone to my thinking would be to have a toggle option so that those who want to enjoy pet dyes can and those who don't want to see it won't have to.

 

[siyeng0]

Losing pet dyes is a shame; it would have been nice to have a bit of variety, especially at events when there are vast swarms of GDs swamping the area in a sea of grey and orange.

However, there's something that would have bothered me about the dyes, and that is that the pets would have ended up simply rehued. This is fair enough; any other way would demand that they change the entire illustration, which would be far too labour-intensive for such a little thing. Simply rehued animals lose all their shading and markings, which makes them look flat and plasticky and ugly.

For an indication of what I'm talking about, check out what happens when, say, an EM creates a rehued monster as a boss: it becomes just a flat mass of line and colour, with the characteristics mostly painted over. Or if you have a copy of InsideUO, go to the Animation tab, select your monster, pick a colour, and check the "Replace all colours with the specified hue" box. If you choose a light green colour for, say, an ancient wyrm, you end up with light green skin, green highlights, green shadows, green eyes, green markings. It's ugly and unrealistic.

That is why they would have had to redraw the models to make the shading and colours realistic for each colour choice, and why I'm grateful that they decided to scrap the pet dyes. But it's still a very good idea. I hope that in time, they might introduce more colours for some of the common animals, and individualise the illustration for each one (the way cu sidhe are now, for example) so that they look like creatures rather than plastic toys.

They were stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. I'm happy with the choice they made.

 

[Heartseeker]

What gets me is that with all the crying over the colors, this most likely will be scrapped.

While it may look better to have a proper hue done, it is a lot more labor intensive.

Besides it's not like they do that with anything else.

Why do people complain about dragons being a solid color when furniture is done the same way.

This game is all about quick fixes anyways, so why should pet dyes be any different?

 

[Aristillus]

What gets me is that with all the crying over the colors, this most likely will be scrapped.

While it may look better to have a proper hue done, it is a lot more labor intensive.

Besides it's not like they do that with anything else.

Why do people complain about dragons being a solid color when furniture is done the same way.

This game is all about quick fixes anyways, so why should pet dyes be any different?

I understand what you mean but there is a good example of how to do it right. Hiryu are a perfect example of this.

And though quick fixes are the norm shouldn't we hope for more?

 

[Norrar]

I want a dye that makes horses look like Zebras. ^_^

I want to ride one.

 

[Mession]

There are mode important fixes, problems and exploits that need to be fixed before releasing a stupid and useless pet dye. I say NO to pet dyes, ever. This is a fact.

 

[Mijac_Chmon]

The proposed implementation was stupid. It was an outright eyesore.

I don't give a damn if the pixel-crackers cry about it. If that's the only option we ever get then I'm glad it wasn't implemented. If a proper, good looking system comes around then I will support it.

 

[Ciaran]

i definitely say no to pet dyes but instead should add pet gear! then they could branch off a million ideas from there but of course it shouldnt be over powering just enough to help buff a pet like protections from curses or something or raises a skill point for dogs to heal more... etc... but no pet dyes!
im thinking of a dragon collar or something...

 

[Kratos Aurion]

I understand what you mean but there is a good example of how to do it right. Hiryu are a perfect example of this.

And though quick fixes are the norm shouldn't we hope for more?

It's not something we should hope for, it's something we should be able to ask for and get. I wouldn't mind if the art team went ahead and fixed furniture either. that would be a ++ in my book

 

[maroite]

So this got canned?

I am rather surprised to hear that, and saddened. I wouldn't even know why people decided to ask to have it canned in the first place.

Ok, I can see green horses or pink osties running about being a bad idea, but come on, giving pets the option to be dyed natural colors wouldn't be too bad.

Also, with the introduction of the natural dyes, why not make it something that say Veterinary's can do. Barring that, just make it available. I don't see what the big problem is. People are actually opposed to pet dyes? With logical reasoning?

You harvest blood, skin, or scales from a creature and have the ability to form that into a pigment, when added to say a pets food, changes the pets color.

I can see some colors working well for many people. Unifying guild colors, or adding to roleplaying. In now way do I find this to be a bad idea. "Air Freshners" have been on the test center for years now....

In no way does this harm anyone elses play style... rolleyes:

i definitely say no to pet dyes but instead should add pet gear! then they could branch off a million ideas from there but of course it shouldnt be over powering just enough to help buff a pet like protections from curses or something or raises a skill point for dogs to heal more... etc... but no pet dyes!
im thinking of a dragon collar or something...

You DONT want pet dyes, but instead want people to be able to make their pets more powerful? ....

Why do you NOT want pet dyes? What logical reason is there to NOT want pet dyes?

There are mode important fixes, problems and exploits that need to be fixed before releasing a stupid and useless pet dye. I say NO to pet dyes, ever. This is a fact.

Yeah, like them adding plant clipping and natural dyes was an "important fix." Adding dyes to dye a mesh would be pretty easy considering they could just allow natural dyes to work on pets.

Losing pet dyes is a shame; it would have been nice to have a bit of variety, especially at events when there are vast swarms of GDs swamping the area in a sea of grey and orange.

However, there's something that would have bothered me about the dyes, and that is that the pets would have ended up simply rehued. This is fair enough; any other way would demand that they change the entire illustration, which would be far too labour-intensive for such a little thing. Simply rehued animals lose all their shading and markings, which makes them look flat and plasticky and ugly.

For an indication of what I'm talking about, check out what happens when, say, an EM creates a rehued monster as a boss: it becomes just a flat mass of line and colour, with the characteristics mostly painted over. Or if you have a copy of InsideUO, go to the Animation tab, select your monster, pick a colour, and check the "Replace all colours with the specified hue" box. If you choose a light green colour for, say, an ancient wyrm, you end up with light green skin, green highlights, green shadows, green eyes, green markings. It's ugly and unrealistic.

That is why they would have had to redraw the models to make the shading and colours realistic for each colour choice, and why I'm grateful that they decided to scrap the pet dyes. But it's still a very good idea. I hope that in time, they might introduce more colours for some of the common animals, and individualise the illustration for each one (the way cu sidhe are now, for example) so that they look like creatures rather than plastic toys.

They were stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one. I'm happy with the choice they made.

But you're forgetting Mel hair dyes. They have been in the game for how long? And some of them have multiple colors in them, where the shading becomes one, and the rest the other.

I don't think it would be as difficult as people think...

 

[Chad Sexington]

The only dyes I want to see are existing alternate colors. A dye that will change your grey dragon red, or your brown horse tan.

 

[maroite]

The only dyes I want to see are existing alternate colors. A dye that will change your grey dragon red, or your brown horse tan.

Well, I wouldn't mind that, but added colors that fit the creature would be nice also. No NEONS, obviously but things like a blue or white dragon wouldn't be bad.

They already have the white wyrm, what would be different from dying your dragon white? Or blue or green or black or gold or copper or bronze? ... All of these colors are very viable, some even for horses and osties.