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raising Honesty

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is there anyone who ever tried that?

i was running around now 2 hours in britannia and did not find a single item...

can someone give me some hints please?
 

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Look along the coastlines for the items, especially on islands. I strongly suggest having a character with Forensics so you get the maximum gains (return the item to the exact NPC). Lost Items do not spawn in Justice regions.

Your other option is to use the EC w/Pincos and turn on the object handle sort to show only Lost Items, then run around spamming your object handle macro.

It might take you a few days of concerted effort to reach Knight.
 

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i did it up to knight.
small islands, run the coast, tram side, fel side, rinse repeat.
have forensics at GM to get mad gains.

my main runs i did was moonglow island both tram and fel, those where the best places, just do the whole island. once done both facets then go do something else for a hour, then come back, run them again, then go do something else for a hour, rinse, repeat to Knight.

but ya have to have the GM forensics to give the item to the right person, the gains are so much higher that way.
not really worth it to do it without forensics cause you'll be doing it for a loooooooong time.
 

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I think forensics starts to work at 75 or so, Im at 76,8 and while it takes some tries it works. I might have gained to 76,8 just from ggs while trying to identify items. Go check around the New Maginica moongate both facets, usually 1-2 pieces there, just checked my homeshard and found 1 in fel and 2 in trammel.
 

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We also recommend the area around the New Magincia moongate, at one point we even got up to 5 items in one go in that area! But, the honesty virtue drops MIGHTY fast again so we don't bother with it anymore.
 

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Honesty seriously needs a toggle when you go to buy something from an NPC... Wasting as many dots as it does on a 12gp purchase is aggravating. So much so that I now have stopped buying things on three characters, which is an inconvenience.
 

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Agreed. The loss rate of dots for a minor purchase vs the time it takes (even with forensics) is ridiculous.
 

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Have found a lot of them around the coast of Bucs Den also in both tram and fel. Sometimes hit or miss though or someone else already picked them up. And the spawn rate on them seems slow as hell. Once I knighted it though on one character I never bothered doing it on another. Agree with Dot also about the toggle as I also never buy anything from a NPC vendor on that character.
 

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Thanks all i try later.

So humilty Training make Difference what evil Mob i kill?
 

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Thanks all i try later.

So humilty Training make Difference what evil Mob i kill?
It appears to be that quantity over quality is best for this Virtue. Lots of ranged fighters seem to use the acid slug pit near the Underworld entrance. Melee fighters should look for something that spawns fast and has no casters (bring lots of bandages!).
 

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My methodology for Honesty is to search most of the islands (using an old rune book of the islands that high-level T-maps used to be limited to), then after identifying all the items found and turning them in, recalling to outside the Blighted Grove.
Once outside the Grove, go south to where the mountains meet the sea, and start following the coast clockwise around the ENTIRE CONTINENT, until you get to the side of the mountains north of Skara. ESPECIALLY make sure to search the tips of all the bits of land sticking out. Trinsic jungle all the way over to the coast north of Jhelom and up to Destard, is a good hunting spot for them.
If you feel up to a third search (that trip around Britannia will take over an hour, possibly 2 depending on how hard you look, then you still have to ID the stuff you brough back and deliver it), try the bases around every mountain chain.

While doing coastal searches, while most items will be right on the coastline, some might be within a half-screen inland. Use CTRL-SHIFT as you go repeatedly, looking for object handles. Sometimes stuff will be under trees or the lip of the coast, accessible but not obvious. The same strategy works for overland searches in jungle or forest.

Note that there are a number of places with the items you might not consider. ANY place outside the guard zones can have them.

Where I've found items in unexpected places:

The coast of Jhelom Center from the cemetery around to the docks on the north end is outside the GZ, and often has items (the best rarely checked spot near a GZ).
There are similar areas in Yew, including the prison island, as well as Minoc.
Most of New Haven coast.
The north coast of Skara island, as well as a spot or two along the west coast of the island.
The unbuilt islands inside Vesper, but not in GZ (but typically not worth looking at).
The swamp south of Destard.
The passages inside Covetous between the dungeon sections.
 

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There is a new shield in the ingame shop, witch gives you +20% to virtue gains.
That's great... if you are anything BUT an archer. I guess we just have to do things the hard way.
 

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That's great... if you are anything BUT an archer. I guess we just have to do things the hard way.
Unless i'm mistaken, you can gain in most virtues without the need to kill anything at all.
So ya long live the virtue shield !!!
Maby mail mesana and ask for a virtue bow ?
 

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They could always make Virtue Boots/Talons so you can "walk the path" or whatever.
 

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Unless i'm mistaken, you can gain in most virtues without the need to kill anything at all.
So ya long live the virtue shield !!!
Maby mail mesana and ask for a virtue bow ?
I was hoping for a Virtue Quiver... but Boots are good I could do boots... Though I prefer thigh boots.
 

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That's great... if you are anything BUT an archer. I guess we just have to do things the hard way.
The only things I can think of that really being an issue with are
Honor (which already has penalties for using ranged)
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Humility (having ranged weapons is already an "easy button" for it, and the buff is for a pet, so An archer getting it is really only for RP (becoming knight in all 8) or Bushido archers with a pet Lesser Hiryu).

On the other hand
  • Spirituality would be minimally affected, as it's a slow gain from healing others as it is - but it's not something that most people will try to "power train". You'll get to knight through normal cross-healing, if you hunt as part of a group. 120% of "slow as heck" probably isn't substantially faster than 100% of "slow as heck".
  • Justice, I've never actually seen someone gain "in the field". Most people just have someone create a token red to be slaughtered repeatedly.
  • Valor is easy enough to gain - just do spawns. Even if I use the virtue normally, I get all that's lost back by the end of the spawn.
  • Compassion, just equip the shield while doing/completing the escort runs. No combat needed.
  • Sacrifice, you should be able to change to the shield for the bonus gain during the sacrifice itself. No combat needed for the end, but it's a good idea to have disarm/arm macros set up if the creature being sacrificed to has company.
  • Honesty doesn't require combat either, so you keep your weapon equipped while collecting the items, return home to identify them, then just equip the shield when delivering the items inside the various guard zones.
 

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I was hoping for a Virtue Quiver... but Boots are good I could do boots... Though I prefer thigh boots.
Both bad idea's because then no one would buy the awesome shield !!!
You need to think maximum profit, not what is cool, EA needs $$$$ YOUR $$$ hehe
 

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The only things I can think of that really being an issue with are
Honor (which already has penalties for using ranged)
and
Humility (having ranged weapons is already an "easy button" for it, and the buff is for a pet, so An archer getting it is really only for RP (becoming knight in all 8) or Bushido archers with a pet Lesser Hiryu).

On the other hand
  • Spirituality would be minimally affected, as it's a slow gain from healing others as it is - but it's not something that most people will try to "power train". You'll get to knight through normal cross-healing, if you hunt as part of a group. 120% of "slow as heck" probably isn't substantially faster than 100% of "slow as heck".
  • Justice, I've never actually seen someone gain "in the field". Most people just have someone create a token red to be slaughtered repeatedly.
  • Valor is easy enough to gain - just do spawns. Even if I use the virtue normally, I get all that's lost back by the end of the spawn.
  • Compassion, just equip the shield while doing/completing the escort runs. No combat needed.
  • Sacrifice, you should be able to change to the shield for the bonus gain during the sacrifice itself. No combat needed for the end, but it's a good idea to have disarm/arm macros set up if the creature being sacrificed to has company.
  • Honesty doesn't require combat either, so you keep your weapon equipped while collecting the items, return home to identify them, then just equip the shield when delivering the items inside the various guard zones.
Totally missing the point... But whatever... I've been a knight of all the virtues for a very long time... so it really doesn't matter... I was just point out that it's not considerate of certain play styles... If I wanted to go to all that bother of putting the dang thing on and off what's the point of buying something like that if half the time it's in my backpack? Spend good money on something ought to be able to use it on any template... not just a select few.
 

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They could always make Virtue Boots/Talons so you can "walk the path" or whatever.
The +20% Virtue gained buff should also be added to wearing a full set of the Virtue Armor. You know, the Blessed, all 70's Resist set with Cloak and Sollerets (Boots)? That'd be fitting. So you can either pay $$$ for a Shield with the buff, or wear a Virtue Suit that is crap for combat.
Virtue Armor Set - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia
 

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Welcome to the club...
 

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Now you can never buy anything on that character ever again! :lol:
lol - well, it's not that hard - you just never buy the things for zipactriotl/kotl on it ever again.

I've got a GM Forensics guy that sits around waiting to serve my main, and whenever Honesty drops below knight, I search the coasts of New Mag and Buc's Den for a few items, and run them back to their homes to get back there. The only stuff the character that's 8xknight buys are things for trade orders
 

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It takes approximately 80 lost items, found in Felucca, and turned into the exact person, to go from zero to Knight. FYI.

Not trying to necro this thread, just putting this info here for posterity since I could not find a count anywhere else online.
 

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So you need forensics for that?
Yes, if you want maximum points, or you can have a friend with Forensics tell you who the item belongs to. It doesn't matter who uses Forensics on it.
 
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no you dont need forensics, you can just turn it in at the chest located in the town and you get some credit.
if you actually give it to the person you get a lot more points.
 

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no you dont need forensics, you can just turn it in at the chest located in the town and you get some credit.
if you actually give it to the person you get a lot more points.
Yea but I think @Gyb meant you needed to use forensics on it and turn it in to those people 80 times. Good to know anyone can forensics it though
 

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Yes in order to turn the item in to the correct person you need to use Forensics on it to identify the correct person, without using Forensics you wouldn't know the specific city/person. My Forensics skill was on a different character and only 70ish but that was enough to (after several attempts) get both the correct city and person each item had to be returned to. Then I just wrote down in Notepad which item went to whom and gave the items back to my character looking to gain Honesty. Since I wrote it all down, that's how I know it took me about 80 items (I say "about" because there were a few where I got frustrated trying to find the right person and ended up using the lost and found box in the correct city's bank)

More tips about finding the specific person:
- The people you are looking for are ALWAYS gold named, and either "_____ the Noble" or "_____ the Peasant"; NEVER shop keepers, other professions, etc.
- The person will almost always be inside a guard zone. This is useful to remember in cities like Moonglow.
- They are almost always outside, but since they walk around they can rarely end up inside a building.
- If you do this long enough you will get a feel for where the people tend to be in each city. Ultimately it is random but there are spots that are more likely than others.
- Yew is the worst city for finding a specific person. Just the worst. I would almost advocate just going straight for the lost and found box in Yew bank instead of wasting your time searching that city.
- Trinsic can be tricky; rarely the NPC can spawn on/in the border wall, or some other obscure nook or cranny; it is probably the second most difficult city, after Yew.
-Britain is huge, but the NPC's you are looking for tend to be either in East Brit (start looking in the park area in the middle) or the farm area across the bridge west of Brit bank west. I almost never found one in the northern half of West Brit (the castle, bardic college, etc.), so search there last.
- Remember that Jhelom has teleporters to 2 other islands; the person can be located on any of the three islands that make up Jhelom. The good news is the islands are all small. Search the main island first, then the southern island second, and the northern island last.
- In Moonglow, the NPC is almost always in the main city area, start with the hedge maze teleporters and work out from there. Remember the "main city area" includes a bit of space outside the border fence. That said, the person can rarely be in any of the guard zones on the island, which can get annoying.
- Skara Brae and New Magincia are the easiest towns. Rejoice when the item goes there.

And for finding the lost items in the first place:
- I only searched in Felucca, because the items are worth more points.
- it has been said elsewhere, but I had the best luck searching the coasts of islands (specifically Moonglow, Occlo, Buc's Den, and the island with Hythloth).
- searching the coast of the main continent did occasionally turn up items, but not worth it in the long run for time invested.
- same point with just running around the interior of the continent; yes you can find the lost items anywhere, but for whatever reason they seem to be more common on the coasts.
-that said, when searching coasts make sure you are zoomed out as far as possible, I did sometimes find items not exactly on the shore line, especially on the island with Hythloth.

Finally, like all the virtues, you DO eventually get a message saying you have reached the maximum value and can't gain any more. I wondered about this because you do not explicitly get a message saying "you have gained in Honesty" when turning in items to people. The maximum value is beyond the 80 items needed to reach Knight status, I stopped keeping an exact count but I would guess it was 10-20 more past achieving Knight.

REMEMBER, IF YOU BUY *ANYTHING* YOU LOSE HONESTY POINTS!

And now here's hoping I never have to think about this ever again ;)
 

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Specifically, in terms of value for delivering the items.

1X = Just dropping in any Lost & Found.
2X = Dropping it into the Lost & Found of the correct city.
4X = Giving it to the actual owner

it's 80 of the 4X deliveries to get to knight. And it only took 2 trips a week or two apart to let the items respawn to get there, even in Trammel (1-2 hours of searching coasts + an hour or so of forensics, sorting and deliveries) . The items don't decay until they're picked up and dropped again.
 

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as soon as you pick them up, they do have a timer.
I found that when this timer is done, that you can get them again.
they won't be in the exact same spot, but they will respawn.
however, there are only so many you can turn in a day.
I found you can only gain 4 or 5 dots a day

if you don't know about the dots...
in CC double left click the virtue symbol on your paperdoll

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click on status

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click on honesty

And then it will show you how many dots you have.

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I have to work on mine again...
doing trade runs will take your dots away.
(red dots = needs work)

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(blue dots = completed)
 
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- I only searched in Felucca, because the items are worth more points.
When you find a lost item, does it matter which shard facet you turn it in to? If I find an item in Fel, do I have to turn it in in Fel for max points or can I turn it in in Tram and get the same max points because the item was found in Fel?
 

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When you find a lost item, does it matter which shard facet you turn it in to? If I find an item in Fel, do I have to turn it in in Fel for max points or can I turn it in in Tram and get the same max points because the item was found in Fel?
The person the item belongs to is always on the same facet, so if you find it in Fel it goes to a person in Fel. As far as turning it into a bank box on a different facet I don't know how the points would shake out.
 

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Honesty seriously needs a toggle when you go to buy something from an NPC... Wasting as many dots as it does on a 12gp purchase is aggravating. So much so that I now have stopped buying things on three characters, which is an inconvenience.
The Honesty Virtue needs not only a Toggle, but a SERIOUS revamp...

For what it currently gives, a small savings when buying something from NPCs, the time and effort it takes to build it up is totally out of balance....

It takes way, but WAY too much time and effort to get, basically, a non existant benefit from it in today's inflated Ultima Online economy...

 

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Yeah, bit of a necro... but just wanted it to add raising this Virtue sux.
and not in that good way either...

but thank you all for your tips in this thread and others. It does make it easier but still time consuming as heck.

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What's the benefit of being a Knight of Honesty?

EDIT:
Nevermind - I see it provides a discount for NPC purchases.
I also got a 9 mil discount, when i converted my castle on Sonoma.
I don't know if that was intended or if it was a bug.
And I'm not sure if that still works or not, but it did work when the conversions first started.


I was Knight of Honesty before this purchase.
And it took all of my Honesty, but it was worth it.
 

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I just turn my items into a lost and found in Fel, you get more points if you turn them in in Fel. I used to do the whole forensic thing and that just got to be WAY to boring and time consuming. Once around Moonglow both facets and around New Mag gate once a day and I'm done. Don't stress over it and make it feel like work.
 

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What's the benefit of being a Knight of Honesty?

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Nevermind - I see it provides a discount for NPC purchases.
Yeah, not much of a bump for the work put in honestly. But, worth it to be a Knight in them all at least once.


I just turn my items into a lost and found in Fel, you get more points if you turn them in in Fel. I used to do the whole forensic thing and that just got to be WAY to boring and time consuming. Once around Moonglow both facets and around New Mag gate once a day and I'm done. Don't stress over it and make it feel like work.
Yeah, I am strictly Fel on it, don't even want to think about how long it takes in Tram. I have been grinding it between spawns. Gotta do something to kill the time.
 

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Yeah, not much of a bump for the work put in honestly. But, worth it to be a Knight in them all at least once.




Yeah, I am strictly Fel on it, don't even want to think about how long it takes in Tram. I have been grinding it between spawns. Gotta do something to kill the time.
What's the reward/benefit for being a Knight in all virtues? Title? Item? Any abilities?
 

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None that I know of outside of the bonus each one provides. There really should be a 'rewards title' for it tho.
Yeah - I am surprised they already have a title close to "Quest of the Avatar" that is not related to the Virtues. Considering that the Virtue system was launched in Ultima IV, which was really the most influential game of the series, I wish they would provide some type of reward in homage to that title. Without U:IV, I probably wouldn't be here today.
 

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That's the strange part for me. I have always been an rpg fan/nerd and never even heard of the Ultima Universe until just after AOS launch. So I had a lot of catching up to do.
 
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