questions on mob fame

[Beastmaster]

Now that we can see numbers and we gave a formula to check the fame of a mob, I have questions about the fame ratings shown in the hunters guide.

For instance these listings:
lich level 4 8000
ogre lord level 5 15000
ice fiend level 5 18000
balron level 5 24000

The numbers are accurate but there is a vast difference between a balron and an ogre lord. This is manifest clearly when trying to gain honor. So I guess the question is where do these 'levels' come from in the Stratics tables? should there be a level 6? At about 3-4 dots from becoming a knight of honor you cannot gain from ogre lords or ice fiends, but balrons will take you all the way.

 

[Saunders]

I assume level 5 will take you to Lord or Lady. Liches will only take you to "glorious" or whatever.

 

[Old Man of UO]

There are five levels of Karma and Fame. Anything with Karma/Fame at 15,000 or over is considered level 5... there is no level 6 because there is no fame or karma over Glorious Lord/Lady. Glorious Lord/Lady is at 15,000 Karma/Fame. With any creature, as you get closer to the top of the level, you gain less from each kill.

 

[Beastmaster]

Anything with fame over 10098 will take you to glorious lord/lady. But I was more interested in honor. So it sounds like you guys are saying the fame levels 1-5 listed here on Stratics refer to fame for the purposes of gaining character fame.

Anyone ever seen any info on the fame necessary to gain honor?

 

[Old Man of UO]

... Anyone ever seen any info on the fame necessary to gain honor?

That's a good question. Here is what I remember, and found a reference on the "other" site:
"If you then kill the creature you are granted honor in accordance to its fame level and how "honorably" you fought it. Allowing your target the first blow and staying close to it will grant you higher levels of honor then using ranged attacks from a distance."

Stratics says this, but doesn't address your question:
Gaining Honor:

You can gain Honor by engaging in honorable combat with monsters or NPCs. You can do this by double-clicking the Honor icon on the Virtue gump and targeting an appropriate opponent. You will face your opponent, bow to them, and speak the words, “I honor you.”

You then must defeat your opponent in an honorable fashion.

Honorable combat is defined as:

* Allowing your opponent to damage you first.
* Engaging in one-on-one combat.
* Not using ranged weapons, unless you stay in the same spot where you honored your opponent, or you only damage your opponent while adjacent to them.
* Not allowing your pets or summoned creatures to help you during the battle.
* Avoiding the use of poison.


To engage an opponent in honorable combat, your opponent:

* Must be one that you can perform negative actions upon.
* Must be at full health.
* Must not already be honored by a nearby player.
* Must be close to you, in your line-of-sight, and have a clear path to you.


The amount of Honor you gain from defeating your opponent is determined by how closely you followed the above guidelines for honorable combat, as well as your opponent’s level of fame.

I know for a fact that all of these are not correct... you can gain honor with archery while moving around, just have to be close when the arrow/bolt hits. I do gain honor from my pets, and have seen no difference versus a toe-to-toe melee character.

I *think* the answer is yes, it is tied to the monsters fame.

 

[Saunders]

The amount of Honor you gain from defeating your opponent is determined by how closely you followed the above guidelines for honorable combat, as well as your opponent’s level of fame.

You can gain honor with a pet, moving, etc, but not as much as if you engage in single melee combat. And I can't remember where it was that this was officially stated.

 

[Old Man of UO]

You can gain honor with a pet, moving, etc, but not as much as if you engage in single melee combat. And I can't remember where it was that this was officially stated.

Right, and I agree. What I mean is the provided information isn't completely accurate. I haven't seen an official statement, but if you can provide one then we can submit corrections to Stratics.

 

[Shamus Turlough]

FYI, and this may not be what you are looking for, but the fastest way to knight of honor is to kill the ancient liches in khaldun dungeon. I went 0-knight in about 2 hours of lichicide.