Question on Blue and Fire Beetles...

[popps]

If a Blue or Fire Beetle gets trained up, does the character need to have taming and lore in order to control it ?

The reason for asking, is that before pets' traning these pets were used largely by non tamer characters, for example miners, and they needed to have no taming whatsoever to have and use them....

What happens today, if the Fire or Blue Beetle gets trained up ?

The Miner (or other non-tamer) character can no longer have and use them ?

Or the training of the Blue or Fire Beetle up would not impact the ability of the nonTaer character to still have and use it ?

 

[Adell of Catskills]

Correct, once you increase their level taming is then required.

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[Xris]

If a Blue or Fire Beetle gets trained up, does the character need to have taming and lore in order to control it ?

The reason for asking, is that before pets' traning these pets were used largely by non tamer characters, for example miners, and they needed to have no taming whatsoever to have and use them....

What happens today, if the Fire or Blue Beetle gets trained up ?

The Miner (or other non-tamer) character can no longer have and use them ?

Or the training of the Blue or Fire Beetle up would not impact the ability of the nonTaer character to still have and use it ?

Every level trained increases the minimum taming needed. So yes you need tame/lore to control any multi slot pet (including beetles). They are unchanged at 1 slot, anyone can use.

 

[Pawain]

The Miner (or other non-tamer) character can no longer have and use them ?

Who told you this? Obviously you have no miner. A fresh tamed Giant or Fire Beetle is one slot. And needs 0 taming.

Your miner can have 4 giant beetles and 1 fire beetle while mining. Please stop telling the devs to change things because you have no clue about basic game mechanics. About this or which resources should be in T chests.

You can not start the training process unless you meet the Skill requirements.

There are many pets that require 0 taming.

 

[Khaelor]

If a Blue or Fire Beetle gets trained up, does the character need to have taming and lore in order to control it ?

The reason for asking, is that before pets' traning these pets were used largely by non tamer characters, for example miners, and they needed to have no taming whatsoever to have and use them....

What happens today, if the Fire or Blue Beetle gets trained up ?

The Miner (or other non-tamer) character can no longer have and use them ?

Or the training of the Blue or Fire Beetle up would not impact the ability of the nonTaer character to still have and use it ?

Okay, we'll start by a couple of terms, so we are discussing the same thing.

Skilling: raising a pet's skills to cap (and/or stats to 125 free cap)
Training: using the blue advanced animal training button to level your pet to higher slot counts and greater power.


If you skill a Giant/Fire beetle a character with no taming will be able to use it.

A Giant/Fire beetle will only be able to be trained by a tamer with animal taming.

Non animal tamers will not even see the blue "begin animal training" button.

Initiating training and applying the first advancement to a Fire Beetle will have it's control requirements jump to 94 (and it's control slots updated to 2).

So a non-tamer will not be able to initiate training nor be traded a Fire Beetle once the first advancements are applied.

 

[Specialist]

Your miner can have 4 giant beetles and 1 fire beetle while mining. Please stop telling the devs to change things because you have no clue about basic game mechanics. About this or which resources should be in T chests

Where did the part about T-chests come from I don't think the original poster mention T-chest or resources at all?

 

[Pawain]

Where did the part about T-chests come from I don't think the original poster mention T-chest or resources at all?

Threw it in because he is writing long posts about how he wants a bunch of ML resources in T chests on the official forums. The chests need better armor and weapon drops than what they are finding. Then they could throw in the resources.

 

[popps]

Okay, we'll start by a couple of terms, so we are discussing the same thing.

Skilling: raising a pet's skills to cap (and/or stats to 125 free cap)
Training: using the blue advanced animal training button to level your pet to higher slot counts and greater power.


If you skill a Giant/Fire beetle a character with no taming will be able to use it.

A Giant/Fire beetle will only be able to be trained by a tamer with animal taming.

Non animal tamers will not even see the blue "begin animal training" button.

Initiating training and applying the first advancement to a Fire Beetle will have it's control requirements jump to 94 (and it's control slots updated to 2).

So a non-tamer will not be able to initiate training nor be traded a Fire Beetle once the first advancements are applied.

Thank you very much for the comprehensive explaination.

So, if I understood it as well, a non-tamer character can "skill up" the 1 slot tameable but NOT train it, is it so ?

That is, if I understood it as correctly, for a non-tamer it is in no way, other then having the pet skill up, be possible to control and use (with no taming skills) a pet that has at least a little training ?

For example, say that a Miner wanted to have a Fire or Blue Beetle with at least a little training to make them capable to fight the Ore Elementals which can spawn when mining, if that Miner has no Taming skills that would be a no-no ?

Or would the skilling up of that Blue/Fire Beetle be enough for it to handle Ore Elementals ?

 

[popps]

Threw it in because he is writing long posts about how he wants a bunch of ML resources in T chests on the official forums. The chests need better armor and weapon drops than what they are finding. Then they could throw in the resources.

Does it make any sense to anyone, that Mondain's Legacy resources where to be found, as apparently it looks like, in Assassins' and Barbarians/Warriors' Treasure chests, but NOT in Artisans' Treasure Chests when it was my understanding that, by the explained Design Goal of "specializing" Treasure Maps under various Professions, this would have meant for the loot to go according to that given Profession ?

And WHO would need the most craftable materials and resources if not, aheam, CRAFTERS whose Treasure Maps will be the Artisans' ?

I am only trying to highlight that FIRST saying that loot will follow the Profession that the Treasure Map is tagged as and, then, NOT having significative Crafting materials/resources go to, FIRST AND FOREMOST, Artisans' (Crafters) Treasure Chest, to me is a contradiction and makes no sense.

That is what I have been trying to say.

 

[Max Blackoak]

If I remember correctly ore elementals are completely immune to pet damage which is why mageweapons with elemental slayer are in high demand among miners who use gargoyle pickaxes. Training up the skills of your beetles will however help with other monsters and general survivability (more wrestling means they get hit less often)

 

[popps]

If I remember correctly ore elementals are completely immune to pet damage which is why mageweapons with elemental slayer are in high demand among miners who use gargoyle pickaxes. Training up the skills of your beetles will however help with other monsters and general survivability (more wrestling means they get hit less often)

I see, yet, if not having Taming skills means not a chance to have not even a little trained Blue/Fire Beetle, I guess it won't be possible for Miners to have not even a little trained Body Guard for when they go Mining to some more dangerous area....

I imagine that the mere skilling up would not be sufficient for the Fire/Blue Beetles to handle more then a mongbat or so....

 

[Max Blackoak]

I imagine that the mere skilling up would not be sufficient for the Fire/Blue Beetles to handle more then a mongbat or so....

instead of imagining things you should go out and test them... what's the toughest monsters outside of ore elementals you're going to run into? Trolls, Ogres, orcs maybe?

 

[TimberWolf]

Popps.... originally blue beetle and fire beetles were three slot pets because a GM trained beetle can kick some serious ass. They didnt want miners walking around with 2 GM beetles.... it was seen as too OP. Now a miner can walk around with 4 GM trained beetles and 1 gm trained fire beetle. The miner can smelt on the fly and load up your beetles and literally only go home when you want to unload.
I seriously think they should give them pack instincts since insects live in colonies.... but if they did it would literally break pvp.

Oh and I might be wrong but I thought it was just shadow eles that are immune to pet damage.

 

[Khaelor]

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Oh and I might be wrong but I thought it was just shadow eles that are immune to pet damage.

Valorite.

 

[TimberWolf]

Shadow and Valorite then.... because I train every pet I have ever owned on Shadow Eles in Tokuno mines. great for gains if your tamer can also dance the disco

 

[Pawain]

I see, yet, if not having Taming skills means not a chance to have not even a little trained Blue/Fire Beetle, I guess it won't be possible for Miners to have not even a little trained Body Guard for when they go Mining to some more dangerous area....

I imagine that the mere skilling up would not be sufficient for the Fire/Blue Beetles to handle more then a mongbat or so....

You can do basic Mining in Fel Delucia. You will never run out of a fresh spot and you can call Guards when you dig up an ele. If you want to keep the ele alive to kill, dont call guards, or use the Dungeon/Mine that is there.

There is also an almost never ending forest there.

Not sure you are going to have time for that between all the fishing, Treasure Hunting, Pirate killing, Niter mining and the other things you ask questions about.

 

[popps]

Not sure you are going to have time for that between all the fishing, Treasure Hunting, Pirate killing, Niter mining and the other things you ask questions about.

Yeah, I am quite busy doing stuff in UO....

 

[Manfred]