PvP Skill.

[Wizal the Fox]

PvP skill is sadly only speed, just speed and only speed.

The simple fact that you can't possibly win in PvP with a 100+ms ping means that 10ths of seconds matter, thus connectivity, scripts and possibly cheats will always prevail.
If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Things were different a long time ago when most players were using Dial-Up, as they were in some of the old Ultima games where you could actually pre-set combat strategies for every char and the combat was then automated. Those were working like a game of chess, but now they are more like a shoot 'em up.

 

[Llewen]

I just don't see any value in a win gained by cheating.

Well, I said in an earlier post that the greatest skill in pvp is situational awareness - the ability to see everything that is going on on your screen, and even much off it, and process it quickly and intelligently. Then I talked about the small scripts that are, in my opinion, the real problem with cheating in pvp. The reason why they are so unfair is that they devalue the skill of situational awareness. They allow those who are not gifted pvp'rs to have far more success than they deserve, or than their skill merits, by processing in game data for them, and giving them less to watch and less information to process, and allowing them to concentrate on fewer things.

No script is going to make a terrible pvp'r even a half decent one, but those little scripts and crutches will make a mediocre pvp'r decent, a good pvp'r great, and a great pvp'r unbeatable. And the same is true of those art hacks which will be, when the new publish goes live to all the shards, at least for a time, a thing of the past - and I think there is a good chance we have seen the last of them. They were unfair because they simplified visual information for those who used them, and in that way detracted from the "skill" required to master the game in it's officially acceptable form - because the in game art, for things like fields, and trees, are a part of the game that you must learn to work with if you are to call yourself truly skilled.

Art hacks were a shortcut, and another crutch, and another way of reducing the skill required to master the game.

 

[Orgional Farimir]

PvP skill is sadly only speed, just speed and only speed.

The simple fact that you can't possibly win in PvP with a 100+ms ping means that 10ths of seconds matter, thus connectivity, scripts and possibly cheats will always prevail.
If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Things were different a long time ago when most players were using Dial-Up, as they were in some of the old Ultima games where you could actually pre-set combat strategies for every char and the combat was then automated. Those were working like a game of chess, but now they are more like a shoot 'em up.

A person with 100+ ping loses to a person with 20 ping yes, but a person with 30 ping going against a person with 20 ping there is hardly a difference.

I am sick and tired of people using scripts and speeders as excuses to not even try PvP. There are more scripts that are ran in PvM and resource gathering than in PvP. If you do not believe me go take a look at a few of the cheat web pages. There are only a few PvP scripts but thousands of non PvP scripts.

If you don't want to PvP fine don't PvP, you are the person who pays for the game you play it how you like it, but do not make lame excusses to not even give it a try.

 

[Hunters' Moon]

A person with 100+ ping loses to a person with 20 ping yes, but a person with 30 ping going against a person with 20 ping there is hardly a difference.

I am sick and tired of people using scripts and speeders as excuses to not even try PvP. There are more scripts that are ran in PvM and resource gathering than in PvP. If you do not believe me go take a look at a few of the cheat web pages. There are only a few PvP scripts but thousands of non PvP scripts.

If you don't want to PvP fine don't PvP, you are the person who pays for the game you play it how you like it, but do not make lame excusses to not even give it a try.

I don't pvp now simply because of the attitudes of some(most?) of the players on the Fel side. My job is stressful enough already without having to deal with any frustration in UO caused by someone that talks like a 13 year old brat that's buzzed on sugar.Add the possibility of the same player using a speeder or other short-cut 3rd party program? No thanks. I'll just go to fel when I need to mine,lumberjack,or gather leather.

 

[Flutter]

PvP skill is knowing what to do when in order to defeat your opponent.
Knowing when to cast what, knowing how to anticipate your opponents next move, and knowing how the game works (ie: What is going to happen if/when "he" does this or when you do that)

I didn't read this whole thread I don't know if this is a joke thread or if people are giving serious answers (I will read when I have more time).

The key to a good PvPer is having instinct and the ability to watch your whole screen. Many new PvPers have a problem with being able to watch their whole screen. I know I did when I started. You can get so focused on one thing you miss what may be happening right next to you.
Knowing how to use your environment to your advantage is another good thing I learned "growing up". I was taught by guys who may not have been the most "honorable" when it came to 3rd party programs, but they did teach me about anticipating your opponent, game mechanics, and using your environment.
PAY ATTENTION! What weapon does your opponent have in his hand? What spells are being cast? How might I get trapped here?

You cannot be considered a good pvper if you are not fast. By fast, I don't mean game speed or running speed (although you can't compete on dial up). I mean fast with knowing what to cast/do next and the ability to execute. I will never be considered a "top pvper" because I wont ever be as fast as some other folks with my fingers. I am a damn good dismounter and cross healer though.
If you keep your focus on something that you are good at and learn to develop that you will become an expert and people will be happy to have you on your team. Don't try to play 6 templates when you aren't good at one. Focus on what your best at then branch out templates from there.


Sorry if this post was a joke. PvP vs anyone is fun for me (good or bad pvpers). People can say "why would you bother attacking that person they obviously aren't as good as you" but the only way they will get better is to fight people who are better than them and learn through experience. I can't count the number of times I ran out to fight people and just fell to the ground. Sometimes I am having so much fun I die because I am laughing. Boat fighting makes me laugh the most.
Try not to take dying too seriously, but try to learn why you died every time you die. And don't tell yourself every time "I died bc that guy was cheating". I don't run any cheat programs. I have been accused of cheating multiple times because I know how to play my character. (recently I got a good tongue lashing on ATL because of my "cheats". Apparently I am very very fast with the dismount moving shot)

When I see someone playing my template better than I do I ask questions. Most of the time the person will take the time to answer you if you don't come off with a "nice speed hack" or "nice cheat" right away.

Disclaimer: Cheats do exist. I have been in many guilds on many shards and have heard many different ways to cheat. But not EVERYONE cheats. Some of us still play straight UO. (I know we are few)

 

[QueenZen]

PvP skill is sadly only speed, just speed and only speed.

The simple fact that you can't possibly win in PvP with a 100+ms ping means that 10ths of seconds matter, thus connectivity, scripts and possibly cheats will always prevail.
If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Things were different a long time ago when most players were using Dial-Up, as they were in some of the old Ultima games where you could actually pre-set combat strategies for every char and the combat was then automated. Those were working like a game of chess, but now they are more like a shoot 'em up.

Hey now, lol, back when we ALL were on slower dialup I pvp'd and had fun at it. And I was over 40 ! lol
My son whom got me into UO was my mentor. I would watch his *blacksmith* sometimes win fights, simply cuz he maintained the cooler calmer head, and oft surprised folks thinkin he was just a wimpy helpless miner, only to find out he was not ! But he was also brainy and oft out smarted some one in pvp too, while remaining calm. He taught me to be very calm when being attacked, cuz yeh you can *study* your opponent, and possibly WIN. But we were all on a slower connection back then in old school UO too, making us about equal least in connection speeds. So yeh it was more like playing a game of chess, and ya could outsmart out think or out manuver an enemy, when we all were on slower connections, yes even an older person could, cuz sometimes the pks are impatient lil twits too that don't always have their brain in gear, only their testosterone, when pvping.

Now with so many faster connected than myself in UO, I just calmly DIE ! LOL Like whatever been dying for 14 yrs. in UO off and on...big whoop you wtfpwned someone IN A GAME ima impressed. lol
I do fire off an arrow 1 or 3 sometimes, if in the mood to pvp back, before I swiftly laugh & dirtnap.

But ya if one is on speedier connection or equal to a pvper even if over 40, AGE has it's benefits albeit maybe not as swift to respond, maybe they just out fox the newb younger ones, that think they all that and a bag o chips cuz they wtfpwn folks in ..... a make believe game. oft wonder how they DO/succeed, in RL though, cuz yeh they playin a game like shootem up, always in a hurry, instead of perhaps brainier chess moves, if they doing life like that they may hear, not hear old folks sayin/thinkin, go you..way to fail, or something. lol Old folks are weird, set in their ways, I know cuz I AM one ! lol But if UO ever returned to all of us playin on slow dial up pre age of $$$ suits and stuffs heck they might even see me pvp again or sport my ORDER shield like I once had in UO when we HAD Order and Chaos in UO pre factions. I was in CoM once too, when factions were *new*, but we were all slower connected in UO back then.

 

[Boba]

Skill: Whether an innate ability or learned through experience, is the ability to perform an action(s) at higher regards than the average/mean with minimal effort, time, and/or energy spent to achieve the desired result(s).

Strategy: Knowing what do do

Tactics: How to do it

UO 2012 Skill: The ability to raise enough revenue to overcome latency and hardware issues(high-end broadband services, residing as close to the EA servers as possible, paying 3rd party services to reroute your pings, owning a top-of-the-line machine with overclocking capabilities)

 

[Winker]

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If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Well i do fine at 45!

even on a fps game like counter strike you will always find me in the top 5 of every match. Dont count us elders out just cause were a little older.

Remember that a new brush may sweep the floor faster, but an old brush knows all the corners

 

[kelmo]

I don't know if this is a joke thread or if people are giving serious answers (I will read when I have more time).

So far most of the replies are serious and helpful. I would like to keep it that way. *smiles*

 

[Widow Maker]

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Wizal the Fox said: "PvP skill is sadly only speed, just speed and only speed.

The simple fact that you can't possibly win in PvP with a 100+ms ping means that 10ths of seconds matter, thus connectivity, scripts and possibly cheats will always prevail.
If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Things were different a long time ago when most players were using Dial-Up, as they were in some of the old Ultima games where you could actually pre-set combat strategies for every char and the combat was then automated. Those were working like a game of chess, but now they are more like a shoot 'em up. "

This entire staement is wholly and completely incorrect.

A group of us from the States completely dominated the euro shards for years..pinging 200 - 300+. Several of us are well over the 40 mark. It was done with the correct tactics needed for a given situation. Sun Zu philosophy and teamwork for the win baby.​

 

[Llewen]

Well i do fine at 45!

even on a fps game like counter strike you will always find me in the top 5 of every match. Dont count us elders out just cause were a little older.

Remember that a new brush may sweep the floor faster, but an old brush knows all the corners

Well said. I won't ever be a grand master dueler in UO, not just because I'm older, but because I don't have a high end rig and I live in another country, but I play within my limitations, I understand more about human nature than perhaps a younger person would, and I'm patient. I do all right in pvp - well enough to have lots of fun, which in my opinion is the most important thing. I don't need to win all the time to have fun, and as you get older, pvp in games like UO, or in FPS games is a great way to maintain mental accuity and reflexes.

Anyone who says your done at 40, is obviously nowhere near that mark...

 

[Phangs_of_Phage]

Not sure how to quote on the new forums, but this is at Wizal. When I lived in CA I continued to play east coast server pinging 180+ with a intel core2 2.4 ghz with 1 meg of ram yet somehow I could beat 90% of pvpers on my mage. How is it only about speed then?

 

[Orgional Farimir]

A lot of the "skill" comes from knowing how/when to get status bars of everyone. A guild that takes it's time getting ready and makes sure that everyone in their guild is "partied" and has everyone's health bar is already lightyears ahead of a disorganized guild.

It is also very important to be able to get the enemies bars quickly, often while on the move, and know when you need to stop take 5-10 seconds to be able to pull the enemies bar so as someone is calling targets you already have that person's bar so it is a LOT easier for everyone to "dump" on.

 

[Viper09]

Not sure how to quote on the new forums, but this is at Wizal. When I lived in CA I continued to play east coast server pinging 180+ with a intel core2 2.4 ghz with 1 meg of ram yet somehow I could beat 90% of pvpers on my mage. How is it only about speed then?

Hit "reply" on the lower right hand of the post you wish to quote. Next to the "like" button.

But yes, I agree, speed is definitely not the determining factor. It's like saying all you need is the best gear to PvP good. Having the best speed or gear is pointless if you don't have the skill to use it all (skill which is what we are talking about here).

 

[Taylor]

Not sure how to quote on the new forums . . .

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[Llewen]

But yes, I agree, speed is definitely not the determining factor. It's like saying all you need is the best gear to PvP good. Having the best speed or gear is pointless if you don't have the skill to use it all (skill which is what we are talking about here).

And a similar thing can be said about cheaters. Most cheaters are not "skilless noobs", they may be unprincipled, obnoxious, slimy, or bullies, and a lot of them if you got to know them you might even find them quite likeable and fun to hang out with, but most of the cheaters in pvp are knowledgeable, and skilled. Which in a way makes the fact that they cheat even worse, because the cheats turn a good, or even a great player, into a great, or a completely dominant one. I hate cheats, and I want them gone from the game, but it is a mistake to underestimate the skills, intelligence, or even the personalities of most of those who use them.

 

[ShadowTrauma]

...I hate cheats, and I want them gone from the game, but it is a mistake to underestimate the skills, intelligence, or even the personalities of most of those who use them.

I'm glad Llewen made that last post, because its very true. As a player I'm in the same mindset as him, I wish to avoid cheating at all costs. Now its been something I have struggled with in my UO career, as a logical person it's a difficult choice not to "Even the playing field" like so many others choose to do. I would venture to guess it is the most common reason people choose to join the ranks of cheaters. I know many cheaters myself and they are far from bad people. While I do not agree with them and have said so, I do not choose to dictate how someone else should act.

 

[Wizal the Fox]

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This entire staement is wholly and completely incorrect.​

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A group of us from the States completely dominated the euro shards for years..pinging 200 - 300+. Several of us are well over the 40 mark. It was done with the correct tactics needed for a given situation. Sun Zu philosophy and teamwork for the win baby.​

Group PvP with people coordinated through ventrilo is a different story.

I was of course talking about regular fights.
At 200ms ping you are basically at FC0, so you might as well keep Protection on all the time, but I have yet to see anyone winning that way, I don't think there is any way you can deal damage faster than the opponent can heal.

I ping about 110ms to the shard I'm playing on and I made extensive tests: the result is basically that I'm capped at FC1 (ie there is no difference between FC1 and FC2 due to the latency), making the usual PvP Mage strategy of multiple fast small damages not working, so basically I can't PvP with my mage, only survive in the best case. The only char I can win with is my healing archer, whose skills rely much less on small speed differences.

As I said I still have fond memories of PvP at the time where connection speed wasn't an issue because everyone had much higher latency. I don't find it normal that the difference between 50ms and 100ms ping can be so important, that's a difference of only 1/20th of a second after all.

Anyone who says your done at 40, is obviously nowhere near that mark...

Sadly, that mark is behind me as well
And I'm not saying we are done, just that we have slower reflexes than we used to.

 

[Phangs_of_Phage]

i played just fine with a ping of 180 from the cali coast to the east coast shards. Yes an equal skilled mage with a better ping would win in a duel because of faster response times. FC has nothing to do with your connection. FC1 and 2 are the amount of time it takes for your "toon" to complete a spell summon once the server has recieved your request for it. So once the spell is started it will finish faster regardless of ping. If you cant manage on a mage of a ping of 110 you need to change your tactics, no you wont be a champion dueler but you can be a very effective field mage.
Anyone see the video of Chad (a west coast mage pinging around 100) fight chaosmage (a east coaster with a ping in the teens). Chaos isnt bad but he thinks hes the best and Chad was naked while chaos was fully suited and chad won. Player skill will always be > ping

 

[Raptor85]

that's not quite true, even at 200ms while the round trip is longer the server still replies to activate your targeting cursor far sooner, since the spell is cast entirely on the server and the client has little to do but the targeting after activation, if anything fc and fcr are MORE important with lag. I've never really had an issue in pvp with 150+ ping, you just have to judge ahead a little, much like how with lag in a FPS you simply aim ahead. If you're unable to see the difference in faster casting with that ping i'd check and make sure you're not getting packet loss or perhaps your client itself is having issues?

Edit: phangs posted while i was typing, our posts basicly say the same thing, FC is server side once you send the packet that you're casting your client just waits till it hears back from the server, the lower your FC you'll have to wait the extra casting time PLUS the round trip time, so the fc/fcr time stacks on top of your ping really, which is why i say the higher your ping the more important it makes it. I also play east coast servers only and live in cali, so my ping is rarely under 150ms.

 

[Wizal the Fox]

FC has nothing to do with your connection.

Not directly, but indirectly it is the same:
See how many time you can cast heal (the lesser spell) with FC0, FC1 and FC2 during a period of say 20 seconds:
- With 30ms ping, during those 20 seconds you can cast more times the spell with FC2 than with FC1, and more times with FC1 than with FC0, which is logical
- With my 110ms ping, during those 20 seconds I cast more times the spell with FC1 or FC2 than with FC0, BUT there is no difference between FC1 and FC2, meaning basically the latency makes it AS if I was capped at FC1 to cast a series of spells (not a single one).

 

[Raptor85]

Not directly, but indirectly it is the same:
See how many time you can cast heal (the lesser spell) with FC0, FC1 and FC2 during a period of say 20 seconds:
- With 30ms ping, during those 20 seconds you can cast more times the spell with FC2 than with FC1, and more times with FC1 than with FC0, which is logical
- With my 110ms ping, during those 20 seconds I cast more times the spell with FC1 or FC2 than with FC0, BUT there is no difference between FC1 and FC2, meaning basically the latency makes it AS if I was capped at FC1 to cast a series of spells (not a single one).

that's down to timing, i 100% assure you i can cast more spells within a period of time iwth fc2 or fc1 than fc0, i do it all the time. your effective spell timing is (ping*2)+(adjusted cast time), at which point your targeting cursor comes up. the fc2 over fc1 still matters heavily, just the ping as it goes up adds more spell delay so the timing difference "seems" smaller in comparison, but it's still very significant, especially if you're talking longer cast spells like flamestrike, i dont care if you're pinging 2 seconds...you'll still see a difference in cast time on a spell like that.

 

[chad]

PvP skill is sadly only speed, just speed and only speed.

The simple fact that you can't possibly win in PvP with a 100+ms ping means that 10ths of seconds matter, thus connectivity, scripts and possibly cheats will always prevail.
If you're over 40 you can also forget about it, your reflexes won't be good enough regardless of your experience, strategy or connectivity.

Things were different a long time ago when most players were using Dial-Up, as they were in some of the old Ultima games where you could actually pre-set combat strategies for every char and the combat was then automated. Those were working like a game of chess, but now they are more like a shoot 'em up.

Don't speak in absolutes. Especially when you're absolutely wrong. Ha.
My ping to Atlantic and a video of me playing, the majority of which takes place on Atlantic.

 

[Viper09]

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[PJay]

Mervyn has it noone else does thats all i know.

 

[CovenantX]

IMO player skill has been reduced every time something new [in pvp] is added to UO, but Imo, Potions are what reduced it the most. UOA - potion macros/chugging scripts everything else was easily beaten, now they have this passive poison resistance (Orange petal affect) for Humans and even higher if you have poisoning, it makes sense... but it just shouldn't be a part of UO.

I have one character with poisoning at 80, and DP gets cured without pots/casting cure within the first 1-3 ticks almost Everytime, what's the point in trying to cure if all you have to do is interrupted 2-4 spells of your target and poison will cure itself ?

Pvp was so much more fun before everyone ran around chugging pots.

It just seems that every so often they reduce the need for "timing, and Awareness" with some type of consumable item, suit, passive skill additions, and spell combinations that shouldn't co-exist (stoneform + protection).

*goes to buy a $!@% ton more Shatter Potions* <-- best pot in UO, make it empty the targets pack of all pots, & trap boxes please!

 

[garillo]

I have advanced my knowledge base from this thread and must thank you all.

The thing that sets PvP and PvM apart is how reactive it is. In PvM, you know what to expect and what scripted encounters are capable of, enabling the same/very similar tactics for about everything.

However, in PvP you must adapt and overcome. It's essentially pixel Darwinism. Tactics will change with your environments (unless you're a mystic... stoneform, healing stone, and cleansing winds, which is a nerf to hand grenades even, zzz) Situational awareness is key, but goes hand-in-hand with experience. You just have to get out there and jump in. Do your best to surround yourself with players you feel are competitive as yourself. This will usually be confirmed by said company being able to convey thoughts, mechanics, and ideas to you in the most efficient manner while helping you learn.

The ability to read ahead and do your homework on patchnotes is vital as well. PvPers imo are responsible for most of the player done stat research as they love intimately knowing every nook and cranny so they can exploit weakness to their fullest. You MUST be able to read for changes to mechanics and MUST be able to apply new concepts!

ANTICIPATION. Know someone has a habit of running and smokebombing around a certain health EVERYTIME? Sucks for them you were holding a hailstorm.

Having an intimate knowledge of your key mappings is crucial, as each of your toons is personalized to you. This part is on you.

I look forward to reading future posts for more insight.

 

[puni666]

Having the people you are fighting with know what you are doing without saying it

You are the yin to my wang... err yang!

 

[SugarSmacks]

Everyone should watch Chads video about at the 3:35 mark and see how he covers roughly 3 screens in what 2 secounds? Really think thats possible at the ping hes claiming?
Do you really think hes hiding his taskbar because the program makes it? If i recall that program shows your taskbar unless you make it hide it.

But the funniest part is hes proud in that accomplishment, lol, maybe one day you will learn to pvp without having a program do it for you.

 

[Storm]

Everyone should watch Chads video about at the 3:35 mark and see how he covers roughly 3 screens in what 2 secounds? Really think thats possible at the ping hes claiming?
Do you really think hes hiding his taskbar because the program makes it? If i recall that program shows your taskbar unless you make it hide it.

But the funniest part is hes proud in that accomplishment, lol, maybe one day you will learn to pvp without having a program do it for you.

Not trying to get into this ...but I will say I edit videos for UO and that just looks to me like the time compression is cranked to about 3 times normal! And as for hiding the task bar I my videos I have mine set to auto hide and once in a while My cursor when in windowed mode comes to close to the bottom it will pop up!

 

[SugarSmacks]

Not trying to get into this ...but I will say I edit videos for UO and that just looks to me like the time compression is cranked to about 3 times normal! And as for hiding the task bar I my videos I have mine set to auto hide and once in a while My cursor when in windowed mode comes to close to the bottom it will pop up!

You really think he has a time compressor on? Wow dont pvp much eh?

The speed of the spells being cast is the same as if they would be in game, so its not accellerated.

 

[Flutter]

I don't know but I thought time compression happened after the video was taken?

 

[Storm]

I am absolutely sure the video has been sped up you can tell by the movement! that is all I am saying! and because a task bar hides is not proof of anything! now if you want to make accusations that's up to you! But accusing someone of something without proof can get you in trouble! I will leave the rest to others to decide!

 

[SugarSmacks]

I am absolutely sure the video has been sped up you can tell by the movement! that is all I am saying! and because a task bar hides is not proof of anything! now if you want to make accusations that's up to you! But accusing someone of something without proof can get you in trouble! I will leave the rest to others to decide!

So let me get this perfectly straight.....
All the spells throughout the video are cast without being sped up. However when it shows him on a dexxer you claim he has sped the video up when all the previous were showing precisely how the game was being played?
On top of that, you believe that makes more sense than the possibilty of using a speed enhancing tool which would have had obviously the same result?

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Flutter]

So let me get this perfectly straight.....
All the spells throughout the video are cast without being sped up. However when it shows him on a dexxer you claim he has sped the video up when all the previous were showing precisely how the game was being played?
On top of that, you believe that makes more sense than the possibilty of using a speed enhancing tool which would have had obviously the same result?

What color is the sky in your world?

I've played against Chad and Partner(s) more than once. He is very very fast. Every single thing he does seems at least 5 times faster than I can do it.
I grant you that.
I do think the video has been sped up though. I don't think the video is a real time video of fights.

No tool bar means little to nothing. A lot of folks turn everything (ICQ etc) off during fights. I know I've learned to do this. I hide the task bar to remind myself to turn ICQ back on after the fight is over. It's not to hide any programs, since I don't run anything, although I really think I should. Even with my brand new gaming rig (Purchased this month) makes me faster than I've ever been in UO. There is still a certain person on my main shard who can out run me while in stone form. (See my post tonight on this matter)

 

[chad]

Everyone should watch Chads video about at the 3:35 mark and see how he covers roughly 3 screens in what 2 secounds? Really think thats possible at the ping hes claiming?
Do you really think hes hiding his taskbar because the program makes it? If i recall that program shows your taskbar unless you make it hide it.

But the funniest part is hes proud in that accomplishment, lol, maybe one day you will learn to pvp without having a program do it for you.

Thought bans were issued for such rude accusations. *cough cough*
I can choose what section of my screen I want to record. Obviously I choose the section that displays UO. I don't need everyone seeing what porn sites I have open. If the uopvp boards were still active, I could pull 10+ screen shots off of them showing my task bar and killing you. You're so mad.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I would have thought only someone very foolish would publicly post a video that evidenced cheating in an area known to be visited by developers. Can we stop this speculation on our boards please?
As for the task bar, my task bar is never visible on my playscreen. Does that mean I cheat? No, it means I have two monitors and the task bar is clearly visible - on the other one.

 

[red sky]

To make a long story short, it's about doing the right thing at the right time. ROFL

 

[Storm]

So let me get this perfectly straight.....
All the spells throughout the video are cast without being sped up. However when it shows him on a dexxer you claim he has sped the video up when all the previous were showing precisely how the game was being played?
On top of that, you believe that makes more sense than the possibilty of using a speed enhancing tool which would have had obviously the same result?

What color is the sky in your world?

i dont give a care what you claim he is using ....i know the entire video is sped up! looks like you are not familiar with video editing! why dont you stop and go look it up! all you want to do is accuse people of things

 

[Saint of Killers]

It seems lately that every other thread I read, I see SugarSmacks slandering yet another person's credibility by calling them a cheater, or scripter.

Enough is enough mods. Whip out that BAN HAMMER!

 

[Orgional Farimir]

Everyone should watch Chads video about at the 3:35 mark and see how he covers roughly 3 screens in what 2 secounds? Really think thats possible at the ping hes claiming?
Do you really think hes hiding his taskbar because the program makes it? If i recall that program shows your taskbar unless you make it hide it.

But the funniest part is hes proud in that accomplishment, lol, maybe one day you will learn to pvp without having a program do it for you.

Sounds like somone died to Chad and is still hurting over it.

 

[Omnius]

It's rather simple.

PvP skill is a combination of:

1) knowledge of relevant game mechanics
2) Rational thought throughout rapidly changing in game situations
3) The ability to avoid "tunnel vision" and pay attention everything going on.
4) Memory of what people's templates and suits are.
5) Ability to quickly digest limited information about a character on screen to allow analysis of the full strengths and weaknesses of that template under what can potentially be stressful conditions.
6) Memory of the in game map itself.
7) Strong communications while engaging in group play
8) Ability to drop what you're doing during a fight to handle shifting priorities.
9) Recognition of shifting priorities
10) A willingness to learn (and if need be die a LOT while learning).
11) A willingness to change templates to reflect the fact that the game is constantly being changed
12) Ability to read patch notes and understand what they will mean during actual game play (or just make friends capable of doing that for you)
13) Developed ability to quickly maximize the strengths of your template and bring them to bare on an opponent.
14) Developed ability to minimize the weaknesses of your template.

There are other factors but these are all part of what goes in to pvp skill.

Most of these factors also enhance ones success in other aspects of game play. Poor development of these skills usually results in a higher degree of failure in game or a recognition by ones peers that you're not beneficial for their group.

The difference between success in PvM and success in PvP hinges upon these factors as opposed to rote memorization which is enormously valuable in pvm.

 

[Omnius]

Define 3rd party programs. UOAssist & EC are quite legit. Would a serious player turn control over to a bot?

No they will not. This is one of the most commonly cited complaints we see in UO and its laughable. Players running scripts in PvP are predictable. A player recognizing that an opponent is running a script can EASILY take advantage of that script and kill the cheater. Typically, what people complain about as being scripts are not scripts. If you know many pvpers in UO, you probably have noticed that most can't type in game without a large number of macros going off. A successful pvper must utilize almost all of their keyboard for macros to respond to the various situations they will encounter in game. Dismount and remount macros are virtually useless in PvM but a necessity in pvp. A macro for your trap boxes, every potion, and more. Macros that cast a spell and throw a potion or cast a spell and tell a pet to kill are extremely common. Macros that will tell a pet to follow you and use a bandaid or cast cure on the pet are all common examples. Players with gaming keyboards(with lots of programmable keys) often macro targets of various types.

Why make yourself predictable and weak when you can easily gain more through practice and experience than you could ever gain through a script?

 

[Omnius]

If you're in factions, skill loss after you die to a faction enemy is a given. I don't want to start a debate about the pros and cons of skill loss, but rather would like to know how do PvPers these days deal with skill loss? If you're fighting as part of a group, do you just stay on the field while you're in skill loss after being rezzed and try to contribute what you can (borrow pots/bandies from someone else?), or do you use the time to go get yourself reorganized? Also, how do you deal with skill loss if you're part of a group and multiple people end up in skill loss? Leader calls a time out and sets a time for everyone to be back and ready to roll again? And if you're fighting on a shard where your guild is a visitor or not every guild member has a house, how do you keep yourself organized and stocked up and housed? Do you bring along or build crafter characters or do you rely on the players of the shard you're visiting to supply most of your consumables? Everyone logs out at inns or you share a house?

Sorry if these might seem like dumb questions, but I'd kind of like to compare what other groups do along these lines and think the information might be beneficial to others thinking to jump into PvP or maybe folks who need to consider branching out to another shard to see more PvP activity.

Advanced pvpers have multiple ways to deal with skill loss.
1) Change in play style. A mage may go from offense to support while in stat loss.
2) Alternate suit or items designed to add to your lost skill at the expense of less necessary bonuses.
3) Change characters. Transfer tokens and factions have made it possible for many pvpers to keep multiple characters on each shard they play.

Everyone in every pvp guild is expected to carry a full compliment of potions, trap boxes and other consumables in their pvp characters bank box if they do not have a house. Sometimes people share, but being prepared is mandatory. You can purchase thousands of consumables on your home shard and bring along spending gold for your needs on a new shard.

Unfortunately, these things can't be truly learned without dying a lot.