Put Your Money Where?

[NuSair]

Ship to ship combat is pretty awesome. We've had several playtests here in the studio and we've had a blast with it. There is a bonus to doing Corgul the Soulbinder in Felucca since you get better SoTs. We are looking at giving players other incentives to do the content in Felucca. Hopefully this will encourage more awesome ship battles.

Yep, just freely give incentives to 10% of the playing population (like power scrolls) to lord over 90% of the rest of the population.

Awesome idea.

 

[canary]

Yep, just freely give incentives to 10% of the playing population (like power scrolls) to lord over 90% of the rest of the population.

Awesome idea.

Risk vs. Reward.

I have no issue with more powerful scrolls in Fel, there needs to be some incentive to go there.

 

[NuSair]

I'll buy 2 when it's released, one for my wife and one for me. Then at somepoint in the future I may get it for our other accounts. But I still haven't seen the need to get SA for those accounts, so I doubt I'll be purchasing more than 2.

 

[NuSair]

Risk vs. Reward.

I have no issue with more powerful scrolls in Fel, there needs to be some incentive to go there.

What risk is that? Getting ganked by the lastest speed hack?

In all honesty, the Ish champ spawns are harder than any of the Fel ones.

And why does there need to be an incentive to go there? Really? Why?

 

[WhityJinn]

Consider yourselves all milked. Again.

My nipples hurt.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

I also see alot of concern here about the bugs. Killing bugs is a never ending battle that us developers fight every day. Please keep in mind that the last publish you guys got to see was built on 9/30. Even though that was only a week ago, our team has been 100% focused on bugs and we have fixed over 140 bugs since then. I actually pulled that number from our bug tracking software.

The concern is over the fact that your paying customers believe that these bug fixes will be delivered to us UNTESTED.

Sorry to break this to you, but UO's QA dept (if it even HAS one) SUCKS. Not a little, not just sometimes...but constantly and hard. They've let the seed box on Nujel'm get released in a completely bugged state, throwing, t-map changes, etc. etc.

WE, THE P(L)AYERS, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE BOOSTER IS READY TO BE PUBLISHED.​

Why is this so difficult to understand? I've been on the test center. There are still problems. LOTS of problems.

Saltpeter supply issues. Absurdly high fail-rate on black powder. Boats disappearing. Not being able to place a boat because the server thinks you already have one. Cannoneering being so tedious, labor intensive and expensive that it costs more to capture a ship than the reward. Shall I continue?

The Dev Team hasn't even finished SA... MORE THAN A YEAR AFTER RELEASE.

This is why we have zero faith in Mythic.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

ill probably upgrade my main account soon after release and see if theres any reason to upgrade my secondary.

Im sure the devs realize how much harder it is to add new fel content and keep it balanced, so they try not to add much there. And even if it is balanced they still have to listen to Fel Population A complain that they cant kill Fel Population B. then they make adjustments and Fel Pop B starts complaining they cant kill Fel Pop A. Pointless. After SA and all the whining the fel kids did about that Im sure the devs would rather just leave fel alone.

As for ship battles in fel, from what ive seen on the test of it, its not bad at all. Some people have trouble gettin their sealegs in game so they didnt give it much of a chance. Once you get a feel for how you move on the deck of a moving ship its quite tolerable. It would be nice if when you kill the ships owner/operator that the ship would stop moving, adding value to your targets. You damage a ship enough to be able to board it, you have your attackers get on target ship to keep that crew busy, while you have your cannoneers firing till they can completely disable the ship. The test was short but if you were a true tester you would have figured out how much fun it can be in fel waters.

The Ship to Ship pvp is meant to be different, some dont like it because they cant run away, house hide, or any of the other cheap nonpvp tactics that you see in fel. Players with skill will most likely enjoy the ship stuff, players without skill will stick to the old ways and hunting grounds.

 

[Tina Small]

SA release in its form was a great example out the gate of players doing things discovered on test and never reported. Then you have a small group that goes out to the main shards and drains the market of what they found and not reported before release. Open beta test can limit this but really not.

I fully had agreed they need to release something that is playable. I just don't like the open doors that testing offers. A play on test discovers at the new forge they stand in a certain spot with an agi lantern in hand, and make daggers out of iron smelted get 3 agi ingots in their pack per dagger made, would never get reported. They want player imput and to do testing? They need to go ingame and snatch random players doing related task to any update. Offer them chance to get on a private test shard and code thier account right then access. Then through a crier tell them this, this and that needs looking into. Whoever finds the most flaws will get something shinny for there main character in shard of choice. Like a Blaze Orange Ostard would be no biggy. Something so unique that if sold be worth more then they could make off any glitch. As test is now the mondain is reported and the exploits of game mechanics is traded.

Not everyone who participated in the SA beta (closed and open stages both) did it for the purpose of finding exploits or glitches or to make an obscene profit at release by taking advantage of little-known information. There was a handful of people in the SA beta who put in countless hours gathering information to be published on Stratics and other places so the average player who didn't belong to some elite group or have access to a restricted forum could actually find and benefit from the information.

I know I did my best to try to lure as many people as possible into participating in the SA open beta just so folks would jump in and help find the bugs and the glitches and give their feedback. Did it help? I don't know. I do know that during the closed portion of the beta, there were many many people who never gave ANY feedback in the closed forum and the test shard itself was often a ghost town. I don't know if the "silent" closed beta participants played at really really odd hours or just sat back soaking up whatever information they could glean from comments made by people who actually went out and tested stuff. Was it just laziness or were they afraid to actually do something because of the Punkbuster-type language that was buried in the beta participation agreement? (I'm not violating any NDA by mentioning that language either....anyone who wanted to could review the beta participation agreement as part of the sign-up process.) I guess we'll never know.

I think at this point, the staffing for UO is so low that there's no way Cal can organize a closed beta, let alone one that provides incentives for ferreting out the most bugs and glitches. As far as I'm concerned, it's almost a minor miracle they managed to come up for air long enough to put threads in a unique forum here on Stratics and poke their heads in once in a while to give some feedback. Maybe they have had the EMs doing some testing and posting their feedback to another forum we can't access and know nothing about.

If you played on test, I'm sure at some point you had company for a short while from the likes of Supreem and Logrus. But I think for the most part, the whole crew has had their hands full with pushing this booster out the door by mid-October. Don't forget that, unfortunately, it's just about time for EA's annual bloodletting (aka "layoffs"), so I'm sure the pressure's been unbelievable to get this done in some form or fashion before that happens. There's no way for any of us to know just what kind of mandates Cal and crew have been given by upper management to just get the booster done and out the door. Hopefully they'll keep the forum that's already been set up active and use it to solicit further feedback after the booster release.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

At least he might actually take the time when he starts a thread to be aware of what he's starting a thread on, instead of just using it as yet another excuse to complain about how UO has betrayed you, and insulting everyone as insane who disagrees with you...You don't even know if there's a champ spawn at sea (there is, how have you managed to miss all the artwork they've published?) and think you'll be sailing about randomly (There's a ship tracking mechanism in game). There's also island hunts at sea and... but why bother explaining that to you when you haven't even taken the time to research what you want to criticise? Whether the expansion will be buggy or not is an entirely different question, and a fair reason to hold off on buying it... a lot of people who have tried it on the Test Server say it is; but if there's no PvP at sea it's because you lazy dinosaurs won't get off your ass and go to sea looking for new ways to fight when it comes out, in what ever condition it's in.

Likewise, when they finally patch arenas in, if it doesn't attract people to it, it'll be your own damn fault again. You'll have the ability to pre-arrange duelling conditions, and do it in front of an audience too... but it won't work if you just refuse to go there because it's not some puritanical "It's Not True Duelling" nonsense. And of course, if as we all expect the usual suspects just use the audience to trash talk like these most vocal morons think General Chat is for, no one new will bother coming to watch either... much less consider popping over to Fel to explore the even harsher experience.

Meanwhile, the Devs have, over the years, continued to bend over backwards to try and keep Fel alive. They put the power scrolls there. The Harrower is there. Double resources... Now ship to ship combat and arenas, but for you, the tiny slice out of a small minority of UO gamers it's never going to be enough. Which is your right to feel that way... but don't expect anyone to respect that attitude, when it's so clearly so utterly selfish and unreasonable. You want new experiences? Take the risk of getting out of your little comfort zones, and go get the reward of being the first to master something new...

Do you honestly believe anything you just posted? You're going to sit here and tell me that devs have been keeping PvP alive? Powerscrolls were added how many years ago? The harrower was added how many years ago? Double resources was added how many years ago? Give me a break.

And what's this mythical champ spawn you speak of? For your information, I did more than enough "research" (I can read) on the new booster to intelligently converse about it. The island is where you fight Corgul the Soulbinder, which is no way even closely related to a champ spawn. The best thing he drops is a sash with 5 dci...just what we need more dci items.

Now regarding arenas. Arenas are going to be an extremely trammel-like and uncharacteristic form of PvP for UO. Kind of like the Civil War, two groups line up at each end and fight until they're all dead. This is not what UO PvP is about. Mage dueling is a very specific form of PvP that happens to be enjoyable using this setup, but anything beyond that is just silly (I have done scrimmages similar to this and it is always extremely boring). Come to think of it, Arenas will actually be counter-productive because it will allow trammies to pseudo-PvP without ever stepping foot in fel. Arenas are simply an attempt to simulate a more successful MMO (in terms of subscribers), such as WoW. It is more than obvious they have been trying to do this since the release of the EC (hot bars, grid backpack, loot corpse option, etc).

I'm sorry that you are in denial about how wonderful UO is and what a great job the Devs are doing, but quite frankly WAKE UP. Since I started playing UO seven years ago it has done nothing but gradually get worse and worse. With each new expansion (yes I know this is a "booster") UO only becomes riddled with more complicated, useless content which causes the truly important aspects of the game to be ignored.

 

[WhityJinn]

Why, I do believe that the booster is ready to be published, and i`m anxious to see it live.

Wanna make a poll or something?

 

[Babble]

As this Boosters are for the whole Bioware Online department orders were most likely that a booster had to be ready Mid October.
Warhammer has a bit more time it seems, but then maybe they had no leftover content.
Not sure if DAOC does the booster thingie too?

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Yep, just freely give incentives to 10% of the playing population (like power scrolls) to lord over 90% of the rest of the population.

Awesome idea.

If you haven't noticed, the majority of wealth in the U.S. is not among the majority of the population. This is how the world works. You are just as capable as anyone else to go and do champ spawns for powerscrolls. You choose not to.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

If you haven't noticed, the majority of wealth in the U.S. is not among the majority of the population. This is how the world works. You are just as capable as anyone else to go and do champ spawns for powerscrolls. You choose not to.

Just as you will be able to freely use all the fel side content from the booster, but since it doesnt add something to champs or yew gate then you choose not to. the Devs need to start thier own poll, in game preferably so only current players can vote on what they want to see. Fel stuff would probably not rank too high on votes since the fel population continues to dwindle, not because of the supposed lack of fel attention from devs, but it dwindles due to the loud mouth griefers, lack of adaptation to new skills/items, and things like that. People play games for fun and enjoyment, if someone comes to fel and gets pked, that player would probably still be enjoying the game. But a majority of the time, a player comes to fel, gets jumped by a pk or two or a dozen, then they are berated by immature and vulgar comments and insults, not just while standing there dead, but in General chat as well. How is that player supposed to feel then? Thats why people avoid fel more and more, the trash that inhabits fel. the trash say they want more fel action yet they cut thier own throat by being total griefers and guttermouths.

So for the next booster lets do mostly fel content. Introduce a system that squelchs pks after they get a kill. Make it so anyone talking from fel on the chat system is automatically moved to a fel only lobby. make RKing impossible. essentially focus the booster on removing the ability for the fel kids to grief and then youd see a rise in fel action. Till then fel will remain a virtual version of the "Yo Momma is so..." game.

 

[Willard]

At least he might actually take the time when he starts a thread to be aware of what he's starting a thread on, instead of just using it as yet another excuse to complain about how UO has betrayed you, and insulting everyone as insane who disagrees with you...You don't even know if there's a champ spawn at sea (there is, how have you managed to miss all the artwork they've published?) and think you'll be sailing about randomly (There's a ship tracking mechanism in game). There's also island hunts at sea and... but why bother explaining that to you when you haven't even taken the time to research what you want to criticise? Whether the expansion will be buggy or not is an entirely different question, and a fair reason to hold off on buying it... a lot of people who have tried it on the Test Server say it is; but if there's no PvP at sea it's because you lazy dinosaurs won't get off your ass and go to sea looking for new ways to fight when it comes out, in what ever condition it's in.

Likewise, when they finally patch arenas in, if it doesn't attract people to it, it'll be your own damn fault again. You'll have the ability to pre-arrange duelling conditions, and do it in front of an audience too... but it won't work if you just refuse to go there because it's not some puritanical "It's Not True Duelling" nonsense. And of course, if as we all expect the usual suspects just use the audience to trash talk like these most vocal morons think General Chat is for, no one new will bother coming to watch either... much less consider popping over to Fel to explore the even harsher experience.

Meanwhile, the Devs have, over the years, continued to bend over backwards to try and keep Fel alive. They put the power scrolls there. The Harrower is there. Double resources... Now ship to ship combat and arenas, but for you, the tiny slice out of a small minority of UO gamers it's never going to be enough. Which is your right to feel that way... but don't expect anyone to respect that attitude, when it's so clearly so utterly selfish and unreasonable. You want new experiences? Take the risk of getting out of your little comfort zones, and go get the reward of being the first to master something new...

Nice!

I never understood why people that seem to hate something so much feel it is their responsibility to try and make other people hate it just as much--why not just go away and leave us to our (accouring to them)supposed misery.
UO is not perfect--but after 10 years of playing--nothing else comes close to UO! And I still find new and fun things to do.

"I am so optimistic I'd go after Moby **** in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me."

 

[Supreem]

"I am so optimistic I'd go after Moby **** in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me."

You might not want to use a row boat. Those things are REALLY slow!

 

[Obsidian]

I will buy 2 booster upgrades as soon as it is released. I am looking forward to fighting the new bosses. Hopefully there are some cool new artifacts for us to discover.

-OBSIDIAN-

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

But a majority of the time, a player comes to fel, gets jumped by a pk or two or a dozen, then they are berated by immature and vulgar comments and insults, not just while standing there dead, but in General chat as well. How is that player supposed to feel then?

It's called being an adult. If you let some little kid on a video game sitting at his computer make you feel bad because he killed you, then you are no more mature than the little kid.

 

[J.B.]

Are you saying the 57th Medusa is just as fun as the 1st? Either you are a very different creature or haven't played UO nearly as much as most.

I pretty much did everything there was in the SA expansion in about a week or so...fishing would probably last me maybe 15 minutes of "wow, why do I still play this game?". And then I remember for PvP...whatever that is anymore.

Yes but did you get all of the cool little pixel crack?

 

[RaDian FlGith]

I have thoroughly enjoyed the testing and have encountered no bugs that I couldn't either live with or work around.

I have to ask though...

Shouldn't it be an appropriate expectation that those bugs should be fixed, and that you should not have to work around them?

This is my point... we've actually gotten to the point where we're accepting sub-par development as something worthy of purchasing.

I mean, to each their own, but if they're going to be releasing this stuff ever six months or so in the hopes of bolstering income into the UO development cycle, they should at least be held to some standards. *shrugs* I just can't honestly say I'm happy with the way they've been handling expansion development here two expansions into Mythic's handling of Ultima Online.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

I also see alot of concern here about the bugs. Killing bugs is a never ending battle that us developers fight every day. Please keep in mind that the last publish you guys got to see was built on 9/30. Even though that was only a week ago, our team has been 100% focused on bugs and we have fixed over 140 bugs since then. I actually pulled that number from our bug tracking software.

In no way do I want you to take the following as some sort of personal challenge to the statement you've made, because I do understand and believe that you guys over there are working on bugs and are trying to perfect the release. My disagreement with release time on the game is not congruent with a belief that you folks are somehow slacking off. I truly do not believe that to be the case.

However, all of that said, you guys are releasing too early, and I am 100% certain there will be a plethora of bugs that should not have made it into the final release of anything that will, indeed, be present. The track record, sadly, is the same as what was built with Stygian Abyss. Now, mind you, I enjoyed the SA expansion, and I believe it to be a fun expansion overall (in fact, I'm sure I can be cited as saying it's the best expansion since The Second Age).

The fact remains that SA launched with a plethora of bugs, and several graphical issues as well, many of which here, over a year later, remain unresolved. Sure, we can hear how the bug work is being done and how it will continue after UO:AHS is released, but the problem is, you folks don't exactly have historical context on your side.

My preference would be that you guys put off release for a few more weeks, tighten up the game, and release it when the bugs are far less in number, and when you, as a team, feel that it's an appropriate launch point. If your team is being honest that they feel now is the right time to release, then, frankly, I'm disappointed with the team. Sure, EA's probably pulling the strings on the "launch now" parachute, but since it's a digital download with next to no marketing, delaying for 3-5 weeks would do nothing but strengthen the game's release.

I mean, in the end, it's EA's choice, but... it's going to cost sales, regardless of what the overwhelming platitude above in the huge 61pt bar seems to indicate. I would suspect that at least half (my opinion, not half) of those are buying it because of the cheap storage upgrade, and that should not be a standard of measurment in the expansion's success.

 

[Lord Frodo]

It's called being an adult.

This is PRICELESS. The OP trying to tell someone about being an adult. You are "The WHINEMASTER" and believe me when I say I have heard it all but you by far out do anyone that I know.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

I dont see where people get the idea that the high seas test was the finished product. the test version had bugs, just because they didnt publish the fixes to the test version doesnt mean they didnt fix them. The same can be said about the loots from bosses etc. the finalized loot tables may not have been active on the test version yet. It may seem like they are rushing the booster content out but you cant know that for sure til we see the finished product.

 

[Willard]

You might not want to use a row boat. Those things are REALLY slow!

LOL.........True!
I just put your Jack O' lantern out for Holloween

 

[Babble]

I dont see where people get the idea that the high seas test was the finished product. the test version had bugs, just because they didnt publish the fixes to the test version doesnt mean they didnt fix them. The same can be said about the loots from bosses etc. the finalized loot tables may not have been active on the test version yet. It may seem like they are rushing the booster content out but you cant know that for sure til we see the finished product.

Problem is too many mmos promised 'miracle patches' and in the end hardly anyone delivered.
Just accept that if you buy it there will be some bugs.

 

[puni666]

Yeah, I'll be getting it just for grins. I'd pay 9.99 to see what they're changing with the mysticism spells TBH.

 

[puni666]

I dont see where people get the idea that the high seas test was the finished product.

Honestly nothing's a finished product with this game, and probably never will be. That's what happens when the people changing the game don't play every aspect of it.

 

[Spree]

UO is indeed EA's cash cow.

Consider yourselves all milked. Again.

OOOO a whole fifteen dollars!!!! What will i spend it on? a pack of smokes, two beers at the bar, four gallons of gas. If i had to worry about fifteen bucks I think I would be living in a box in the park.

 

[kelmo]

OOOO a whole fifteen dollars!!!! What will i spend it on? a pack of smokes, two beers at the bar, four gallons of gas. If i had to worry about fifteen bucks I think I would be living in a box in the park.

You left out a movie, medium soda and a small popcorn...

*edit* For one...

 

[canary]

You left out a movie, medium soda and a small popcorn...

*edit* For one...

speak for yourself. a movie where i live is 11.50. That's more like 20 here.

 

[kelmo]

Dear God! Skip the popcorn then!

 

[AesSedai]

- hahaha... but I like popcorn!

(our office has an old-time popcorn machine in it; 'tis quite popular)

 

[Amber Witch]

Going to order one for myself and one for my husband... we'll each do our best to sink the other first... or... hmmm... maybe.. just maybe.... we'll gang up and search for you.......

When ya see Charlotte DeBerry out on the sea tacking after ya abandon all hope.. for all is lost.:redx:

 

[Lord Frodo]

OOOO a whole fifteen dollars!!!! What will i spend it on? a pack of smokes, two beers at the bar, four gallons of gas. If i had to worry about fifteen bucks I think I would be living in a box in the park.

You left out a movie, medium soda and a small popcorn...

*edit* For one...

That is cheap for a movie.

 

[QueenZen]

I voted yes but not right away !

I have learned years ago with Expansions and whatever else, to WAIT. I am no longer in any hurry to buy new content. I come HERE read what went right what all went wrong, when what when wrong may get fixed up, patcherday patcherday...then if things seem to have the kinks smoothed out a bit more I may buy 1 for my 4 active accts.

I still have 3 out of 4 of my 4 active accts. which are NOT even upgraded to SA yet. *wasn't into it* and that much $ x 4 is a lot if one isn't really into ingredients ingredients fail fail to make to imbue to do this to do that.

But this booster I figure I may get after a bit of waiting and probably only for ONE of my FOUR accts. My problem will be deciding if my gm fisherman sailor on Chesapeake gets the booster...he can sail in TRAMMEL if he needs to..or my fisherman on SIEGE...how will they work getting back to our ships on a shard with no recall ?? etc.

Thus I want ONE booster but I am in NO HURRY to get it either. I will come here to UO HALL, after it launches to see what yall post that went wrong or right...then decide whether or not to even get one booster, and decide then later on, bout spending my money on it even for ONE acct. and which one I will buy it for, and then decide, a lot more intellectually ! lol

But I really do need to know how they are going to work it to get back to our ships on SIEGE ifn we are corpses on our ships and the COST of em on Siege will they still be x3+ or more in prices for these new ships too ? np on Chessie.. since they can recall etc. and ships do not cost WAY MORE on regular shards, like they do on Siege. And I would imagine these newer larger ships will cost more even on reg. shards to buy from an npc ...multiply that by 3-5 times more on Siege and...I may not be buying this booster, at all !!

 

[SixUnder]

so far its a joke. want nothing to do with it.

 

[Pinco]

I'll buy it when it comes out, because I need the 20% extra house space

The boats are nice, but I have no time to stay all day tuned for search something to kill...
maybe if they put some nice artifacts I will start to try the new encounters but thats it...

 

[Aran]

I also see alot of concern here about the bugs. Killing bugs is a never ending battle that us developers fight every day. Please keep in mind that the last publish you guys got to see was built on 9/30. Even though that was only a week ago, our team has been 100% focused on bugs and we have fixed over 140 bugs since then. I actually pulled that number from our bug tracking software.

140 bugs.

140 bugs with how many more to go?

140 bugs with how many more to go and you want to push this out soon?


Bahahahahahahahaha. I should have left those accounts closed, the ship is sinking.

 

[canary]

140 bugs.

140 bugs with how many more to go?

140 bugs with how many more to go and you want to push this out soon?


Bahahahahahahahaha. I should have left those accounts closed, the ship is sinking.

People should not support a project that is literally being shoved out door. I'm glad that 1/2 those polled said they are going to at least wait until things are worked on (if they are).

Cal, stop treating the playerbase like idiots. It is insulting. Like others said, take the time to get it as bug free and working as you can. It's had 1.5 months from pre Alpha to release... unacceptable, and the worst part is you know it. STOP RELEASING PROJECTS BEFORE THEY ARE READY.

 

[Mervyn]

I too would rather pay for a change to the mysticism spells.

 

[canary]

I too would rather pay for a change to the mysticism spells.

Well, it was said those changes are coming.

 

[Evlar]

I believe this painting started out as something like Aphrodite...

...Unfortunately and representative of UO, it turned into mutton dressed as lamb. I just don't like the look or the feel of it any more in its current form.

There's really very little challenge. Every expansion is essentially more of the same. Even "fans" of the current game seem to be unsatisfied with what the new pirate expansion will offer.

Is the aim of development now to paper over the cracks with just more "stuff", hoping that it will divert attention from all the broken and poorly implemented aspects of the game that have gone beforehand?

Yes, I understand that potential extra revenue from them will help support supposed fixing of problems, according to your statements. But, so will people not leaving, dissatisfied with yet another rushed and poorly executed expansion.

And these are coming out every 6 months? So what's the plan? Spend six months developing them? Or a couple of months and the rest of that time between fixing stuff that should already work? How exactly will adding more unfinished and non-functioning content, aid fixing an already lengthy list of existing problems?

For these boosters to be a real success, they need 100% of the current player base to be fully supportive of them. Why? Because for everyone that doesn't like them, that's another potential player lost. I'm sure that for every person lost who doesn't buy the first booster, they'll likely not buy the next, or the one after... and so on. What happens then? They feel they're left behind? Unless a year ahead they get "free" access to these boosters?

Although polls like these are hardly a true indication of overall feeling, even if 75% or more current players players do buy into this booster scheme, that still leaves a lot of players who won't and likely won't ever. It's also a big chunk of the player base that could tire of playing completely.

I think this plan is going to be a watershed for a large portion of current players. It's also not likely to bring enough new or returning players to the game, to replace those already lost, or contemplating calling it a day.

To maintain the current player base, fix what's already broken, then move on to the next expansion or "booster". Don't risk losing it for a six-monthly "hit".

Shame on EA for enforcing this move on the developers, because I really don't think the developers are totally at fault here, or responsible for the concept. EA has proven yet again, that they have little regard or understanding of their P(L)AYERS.

I think this whole concept is an attempt by EA at sponging the loyalty of the players, that's really going to backfire. I might not be a fan of the current game and would prefer a "classic" option, but I sure as hell don't want to see the game (in any shape or form) disappear down the toilet.

 

[Llewen]

I should have left those accounts closed, the ship is sinking.

I don't get people whose entire "game" is trolling. 14,000+ posts? When did the incessant trolling start? Did you troll right from the beginning? Whatever the case, I really think you need to consider finding a new hobby. This level of negativity can't be good for your health...

Even "fans" of the current game seem to be unsatisfied with what the new pirate expansion will offer.

I guess you didn't watch the video and witness the cheers when the booster pack was announced, and the "oo's and ah's" and cheers as the features that were going to be included were revealed and discussed. I don't know what you are basing this on, but most "real" players I talk to are looking forward to this "booster", even if it is only for the increased storage - although most are definitely looking forward to the rest of the content as well.

Something tells me you aren't speaking for much of anyone other than yourself, and statements like that are bordering on outright deceit...

 

[canary]

I don't get people whose entire "game" is trolling. 14,000+ posts? When did the incessant trolling start? Did you troll right from the beginning? Whatever the case, I really think you need to consider finding a new hobby. This level of negativity can't be good for your health...

I guess you didn't watch the video and witness the cheers when the booster pack was announced, and the "oo's and ah's" and cheers as the features that were going to be included were revealed and discussed. I don't know what you are basing this on, but most "real" players I talk to are looking forward to this "booster", even if it is only for the increased storage - although most are definitely looking forward to the rest of the content as well.

Something tells me you aren't speaking for much of anyone other than yourself, and statements like that are bordering on outright deceit...

Just because people cheered in the Town Hall doesn't imply everyone loves it and how its been handled. Or perhaps you've glossed over the majority of posts in this thread. Your 'real' players and my 'real' players also differ. While many want a sea related booster, this is not exactly what they expected nor is it being pushed out in a way they find acceptable.

Besides, I really think someone should start making you pay a fee every time you call someone a troll. Let's say you should donate a dollar to a homeless shelter...? We might actually be able to end hunger in the USA.

 

[Llewen]

Besides, I really think someone should start making you pay a fee every time you call someone a troll. Let's say you should donate a dollar to a homeless shelter...? We might actually be able to end hunger in the USA.

And you are saying Aran isn't a troll, and his last post wasn't a troll? How about you make him donate a dollar every time he mindlessly trolls a thread? I think you'll end hunger a lot faster, and if you get all the trolls that infest UHall to do the same, it shouldn't take more than a day or two...

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

And you are saying Aran isn't a troll, and his last post wasn't a troll? How about you make him donate a dollar every time he mindlessly trolls a thread? I think you'll end hunger a lot faster, and if you get all the trolls that infest UHall to do the same, it shouldn't take more than a day or two...

If he is a troll, you're giving him exactly what he wants by whining like a little baby. If you don't like what someone posts, then ignore it. How many dollars would I have for how many different people you call trolls? Seriously, it's getting old.

 

[Evlar]

Even "fans" of the current game seem to be unsatisfied with what the new pirate expansion will offer.

I guess you didn't watch the video and witness the cheers when the booster pack was announced, and the "oo's and ah's" and cheers as the features that were going to be included were revealed and discussed. I don't know what you are basing this on, but most "real" players I talk to are looking forward to this "booster", even if it is only for the increased storage - although most are definitely looking forward to the rest of the content as well.

Note how I said "fans" and not "fanbois".

I referred to "fans of the current game" as reference those still subscribing and playing the game. They're still paying and playing, because they're "fans" of the game, right? So why are there so many people in these very forums, paying and playing UO, who aren't happy?

As for the ooh's and ahh's in any of the forum discussions, surprising how quickly such excitement sours once the realisation dawns that it's another rushed and likely unfinished effort being pushed out the door.

And the video, hah... Do you really think people are going to travel all that way just to heckle? Yeah, right... Cal could have taken a dump on the stage and they'd all have whooped and cheered. They'd have been happy-clappy whatever was presented.

What's your definition of the "real" players? Those who lap up whatever scraps are tossed at them, no matter how poor they may be? Forgive me then for any suggestion that
P(L)AYERS have any right to be unhappy and say so. The evidence of that is here on these very forums. Many of those seem like "real" paying customers airing their views to me.

Something tells me you aren't speaking for much of anyone other than yourself, and statements like that are bordering on outright deceit...

So I support a classic option. Get over it.

The only deceitful thing here is the vain hopes that yet another rushed expansion is pushed out the door in anything but an acceptable state. Oh... and you have to pay more for the benefit...

If you don't mind then, I'll take those rose-tinted specs you're wearing back. Wouldn't be right me posting anything in the classic thread without them. Of course, I'll let you loan them for a while once the "booster" goes live.

 

[Apetul]

Sooo... where's the site to buy this coming booster ?

 

[Lord Frodo]

If you don't like what someone posts, then ignore it.

More PRICELESS wisdom from the OP. Follow your own advice and stop starting threads with a troll in them to begin with.

Just out of curiosity, being as the booster is less than a week away from release, how many people are going to waste (errr I mean generously donate to a good cause) their money on the High Seas?

 

[Llewen]

If he is a troll, you're giving him exactly what he wants by whining like a little baby. If you don't like what someone posts, then ignore it. How many dollars would I have for how many different people you call trolls? Seriously, it's getting old.

Trolls tend to dislike the truth. They tend to like it even less when it is repeated...

 

[Voodoo990]

I played the beta pretty extensively and it was...... crap.

Sometimes calling something crap isn't being negative, sometimes its just needs to be called what it is. As a developer I got way more out of people telling me what was wrong with my product then someone humping my leg.

And as a 12 year vet with multiple accounts I think I have the right to say exactly what I think about this "booster", its crap. Not being negative, Just saying.