Punkbuster Poll: The Siege Opinion

[Beatrice Quill]

I made the first mention of this poll on U.Hall this morning, in the PB sticky thread. Hopefully well get a response from a dev. If not, well, try, try again.

*wishes a mod would sticky this poll*

 

[imported_Gwyneth]

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If they were to allow transfers TO Siege but not off... then I think it should still remain ONE character and they have to come over naked with just gold.

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I disagree, Sevi. I think they should come over naked with no gold.

[/ QUOTE ]I know this is a Seige thread, so I apologize for butting in; however, I really want to offer my view on this. I started playing on Chesapeake in December 1998. I am not a cheater and have no love or respect for cheaters. However, I do not trust PB and do not want to run it on my computer. (Whether or not I'm correct in mistrusting it is irrelevant. That's just how I feel.)

I would rather not leave my home shard, but have already decided that I'll make one of two possible choices if PB is implemented on Chesapeake: 1. Quit UO, or 2. Transfer to a non-PB shard.

If Seige is selected as the non-PB shard, instead of quitting UO I'd rather transfer my favorite character to Seige. And yes, I'd be willing to leave the gold behind. That favorite character is a Chef/Alchemist. Starting over without any gold (but retaining her current skills) wouldn't trouble me nearly as much as quitting UO completely.

At any rate, I know I'm not the only non-cheating player who feels this way about PB, and I would expect you'd have a good number of honest players transfering to Seige if it's chosen to be a non-PB shard.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Guest]

Well, that's a very valid opinion - and I can certainly see parallels to our own way of thinking.

Bottom line: We don't want our lives 'messed up'. Be it our in-game lives or even worse, our real lives. Some feel PB is a blatent invasion of privacy - but, as was said, there are lots of threads about that. So, what we're aiming for here, is to keep the impact on our in-game lives to a minimum.

While folks like yourself would come here if this was the last 'safe haven', the shard many of us have been playing on for years would be utterly changed, forever. We've had our fill of that, quite honestly.

So, while the anti-PB discussions are quite valid, if it DID come into effect, it would be far, far, worse for us as a community to become the non-PB shard, than to receive it.

From a privacy point of view, that may or may not be true.

But to suddenly be the only place in all UO that is allowed to script, cheat, hack, and so on would spell the death of this pretty unique community.

But don't let it take PB to get you to come here - go on - create a character, and once in a while, have a look around. You just might like it here!

 

[Guest]

IF or When EA opens char transfers to Siege will be my final day playing UO.

 

[Sloan]

 

[imported_Gwyneth]

Well, in view of the opinions I've read (and your input), it seems my Chef/Alchemist wouldn't be welcome there. I understand your viewpoint, as well as your suggestion that I start all over with a newbie. I just don't have the time or desire to rebuild my favorite character all over again and permanently forsake her and the skills I worked so hard to gain over a considerable period of time. (I'm not a "power gamer"... it takes me longer to build characters than your average UO player).

I hope Seige players' wishes are honored then, and you don't become the non-PB shard. But if you do, I'll respect your players' wishes and not make the transfer.

Peace.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

Gwyneth, I would welcome your chef/alchemist here (just not any of your gold or items!

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I honestly dont see how naked char transfers would mess up our world that badly. So what if they didn't have to go through RoT? Those chars wouldn't be jumping out of the Luna gates ready to fight. They would still have to spend time farming gold and items. Unless, this would make it too easy for scripters to start farming here?

Now, if they wanted to allow gold and items thats a different thing and I would be protesting loudly.

 

[Guest]

Well slamming the door shut in the faces of all players that might wish to transfer here, if Siege is pb free, surely will not enable Siege to grow either.

Yes tis a very unique community here, if not cliquey to overly so, at times. But this community will have to either all quit or accept the fate EA slaps on us and move forward or not with it, none of which are options that any one is too thrilled with atm. I am sure more honest folks would play Siege, if they were able to at least transfer their hard worked up character here especially those that work hours on end rl like ye self fond of ye main chr. to be permitted to enter Siege, post pb, even with no items and no gp..but some here probably would not even accept that or assume every one that would be trying to come here would have to be scripters..instead of honest folk also well in the mix whom just are not trusting in Punkbuster implemented upon us by EA.

Gwyneth wherever ye decide to play, know this............I will always hang with ya, we been friends too long. I will proudly hang with ya on any shard that you wish to feel welcomed upon, comfortable with, or that ye wish to play post pb, and I would rather have that, than for you to quit UO for good and I would miss ye company too.

The times they are achanging, mergers, punkbuster, things again put on hold, some even wondering if/ will UO even work with VISTA, too many uncertainties that no one is fond of at all, and no guarentees nor assurance or maybe lack of confidence with EA, for any of us, we do not know at all if we will like the outcome on any shards of UO or if we will remain in this game after all these changes.

*and for those that do not know this lady..she HAS been here, she was in NEW with me, but her work sked, grandkids and kids all underfoot prohibits her most days from working and droning a new chr. up again to be functionable like her favorite chr is on Chesapeake, and she is honest just one of those not fond of trusting the implementation of PB into our computers and UO GAME.

Anyhow, I will hang with ya my friend of many years, anywhere ya want or wish to play or wherver ye feel welcomed ! The bonds of friendships and trust go too deep to just exit *unless we have no choice* and that is up to EA not us..not like they ever hear us (their customerbase) on any shards at times.

 

[imported_Gwyneth]

I love you, Queen Zen. And whatever happens, whether I stay in UO or go, we can always hang out on ICQ. *hugs*

 

[imported_Gwyneth]

Thank you for your kind words. I truly appreciate it.

Actually, I did try Seige once, a long time ago -- back when Queen Zen started there. But I didn't stay long.... there always seems to be too much going on in RL to handle playing two shards. Truth is, I probably was foolish to even consider the transfer idea... I'm not a competitive sort of player and in all the years I've played, I've never done PvP... (Another reason why I decided not to stay on Seige back then).

I guess it's best to sit back and wait. At least until we all know what EA decides to do.

 

[Guest]

Gwyneth

I do not PvP either and I have been here going on three years.
Not everyone here PvP's.

There is so much more to Siege than PvP.
We have a great community, plenty of RP, player run towns, player held events... and excitement!

If you decide to give it a try, dont forget we also have ROT instead of GGS. Getting a alchemist/cook character from 70 to 100 is a cake walk compared to standard shards.

 

[Guest]

I believe your Chef/Alchemist would be welcome here, as would your dedication to the gradual improvement of your characters.

I'm not a 'power gamer' either. It took me nearly 2 years to GM magery, after starting on Siege, if that's any indication. For the bulk of my time here, my template was a miner/crafter, with a little magery on the side. And I wouldn't go back to Europa for all the gold in UO.

Don't let a security issue make up your mind about Siege for you. Treat it as a holiday. Why not make a character here, and now and then, when you feel you need a short break from your usual gameplay, just run around on that character for a little while?

I truly hope Siege does not become the PB-free shard.

That's not to say that I'm in total agreement with PB - but if 'all' the other shards get it and we don't, one of two things would probably happen.

Either we'd have so massive an influx of players (not cheaters, players) from everywhere else that before long, the 'vocal masses' would get Siege changed to something more like they were used to, or we'd have so massive an influx of cheaters, we'd all die of exhaustion, from PKing them.

Either way, it sounds pretty fatal.


Still, stick a toe in the water, and see what's so great about this little community that we're trying to look after! We don't bite. Well, Castor does, but I'm told that he's had his shots.

 

[Virgil Tempest]

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Gwyneth

I do not PvP either and I have been here going on three years.
Not everyone here PvP's.

There is so much more to Siege than PvP.
We have a great community, plenty of RP, player run towns, player held events... and excitement!

If you decide to give it a try, dont forget we also have ROT instead of GGS. Getting a alchemist/cook character from 70 to 100 is a cake walk compared to standard shards.

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QFE

I don't pvp either (I would like to learn sometime) but I still love Siege even after years of playing here. Like the others, I highly recommend making an occasional character here. If you are interested, I would be happy to set you up in one of my extra rooms with whatever you need to get going. It's typically pretty easy to get your skills to 70 and after that RoT will kick in and it's even easier. With the speed the dev team moves, you could probably have a finished character here before UO even gets punkbuster. Let me know if you are interested in the room. I even have three right now, so you could have your pick. 8)

 

[imported_Gwyneth]

Fabienne, Otto, and Virgil, thank you for the positive feedback. I might just try a new character there and retest the waters. I doubt I'd want to tackle alchemy again, though. Maybe in a couple of weeks, after my daughter and grandkids have moved into their own place. Too much going on right now to spend much time in game.

I really do understand your concerns about what might happen with a large influx of players from other shards. Perhaps EA will pay attention this time. *crosses fingers* Seige is unique. They would probably be wise to convert one of the regular shards (or create a new one) if they are determined to go through with this.

In the meantime, we all wait expectantly... a skill most of us GM'd long ago.

 

[Guest]

*smiles* Choose your own time - that way, it IS your choice, not something you were shoved into!

I would love to see large numbers of people come to Siege - but I'd want them to come to Siege because it's a challenge, and a different play style. Not because it was the last safe haven for scripters, or the last place where people could feel their computers were secure.

Ha. There's a funny one. People coming to Siege to be safe. Words fail me!

But aye - we'd love to have ye on Siege - be it as a once a month holiday, a lunch-break thing, or a full time thing, but we'd also want you to have the freedom to choose it, not feel that it was a bomb-shelter to keep PB at bay.

If ye do come, the link in my sig may be of use to you.

 

[Mandolin]

I found this over on U.Hall of all places and by a non-Siege player... words fail me.. best analogy I've heard in a long time...

Sounds like Seige might get the no PB thing. Bad because Seige is a thing of beauty that doesnt suffer from 90% of UO's problems. It's kind of like the last rainforest in the world. Don't touch it.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

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I found this over on U.Hall of all places and by a non-Siege player... words fail me.. best analogy I've heard in a long time...

Sounds like Seige might get the no PB thing. Bad because Seige is a thing of beauty that doesnt suffer from 90% of UO's problems. It's kind of like the last rainforest in the world. Don't touch it.

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[Griswald [VmP]]

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I found this over on U.Hall of all places and by a non-Siege player... words fail me.. best analogy I've heard in a long time...

Sounds like Seige might get the no PB thing. Bad because Seige is a thing of beauty that doesnt suffer from 90% of UO's problems. It's kind of like the last rainforest in the world. Don't touch it.

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woooow crap thats touching.... yeah. ok, like... if Siege goes Non PB, im gone. thats it. there is no way that im going to deal with 1000 more scripters who all bos their gold, because they script gold (which is heavy) and not artifacts (which are light and stealable) so i mean...

1 Scripters with arties = me rich (scripter rich, 500 million++)

2 Scripters with gold = ME GONE (500k house in a 500 million world)


yeah...... actually if they are going to do something to an existing shard... they should take a general prod shard, like not one specified for one location (sorta like siege but normal rules) and turn it, so that we (the people) have two choices. we can play on a general location non-pb shard, siege (with pb!), or our local shard with pb.

 

[Guest]

Is there a reason that test center can't be the non-PB shard? Wouldnt that make more sense? Anyway, if they do leave it off siege they should do something with bag of sending, or remove it entirely so getting pked actually hurts the scripters.

 

[Mandolin]

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or remove it entirely so getting pked actually hurts the scripters.

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The scripters don't bother me.. without recall/sacred journey and an all fel ruleset, they're not going to be very productive here anyways. Besides, who are they going to sell their gold, ingots, whatever to? Can't necessarily make $10k a month off of 3% of the playerbase.

I don't want to see the PvP cheaters flock over here. PvP is inbalanced as it is.. to force us to Cheat to Compete is ludicrous. Not to mention that they've made it quite clear that a Transfer option would be available to the PB-Free shard.

 

[Slifer]

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or remove it entirely so getting pked actually hurts the scripters.

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Heck. No. I use BoS all the time when I go out farming. Removing it hurts the legit players who farm for hours on end, legitamitly. If you put a cap on the number of bos you can carry, making it 1, MAYBE 2, due to the fact that a bos wears out and cannot be recharged after 100-150 uses, that puts a limit on the amount of gold they can bring into the economy at a single time. Besisdes that, the fact that legit people farm all the time in very popular spots, means that anybody who is afk scripting gold will likely be pk'ed by those nice tamer people who farm =) And if I see one, im robbing that guy dry. No guards, no defense. And if hes scripting, monsters are no problem either.

 

[Steve McCarthy]

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As for cheats in pvp? ..........Cheating in pvp isn't the problem, cheating in PvM and crafting is.

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I have to say I completely agree with you.Yes I am very new to siege and my reasons for coming here are to get away from the farmers and e-bayers and get back to UO basics. Having fun, constant risk and unpredictable opponents (ie people not AI)

I think the whole gold scripting is a non-issue here as they will quickly be killed when they continuiously appear at the same tree or same mining spot ever 15 mins like clock work.

I won't totaly re-hash the things I have posted in U-Hall about PB. I don't think it will cure the root problems in UO, it will just make a smarter faster better script programer. It will introduce additional lag into the game, false bannings with having to deal with EA and PB and both saying talk to the other, it will require you to lower the safety of your online machine. All that said, it will still not cure the problem.

I actually hope Siege becomes the Non-PB shard. I think the influx of people will be good for the shard. I do however think allowing people to bring items or gold is a no-go. The fact they will be bringing over multi-GMs is bad enough.

My next question would be... multi characters on siege? I like the single character to a player rule. People are known for who they are, not thru 17 alts on throw away accounts built in a week to scam , thief and grief. Here people can and will be accountable for their actions, both good and bad.

 

[KnightsBane]

If I knew punkbuster was not going into siege, I would acctually consider keeping my accounts. I have been playing UO using WINE in Linux. I know that punkbuster does not support that, so I feel the need to get rid of them. I doubt my reason is going to change anyone's mind here, but there have been some very good reasons posted on Uhall for not implimenting punkbuster.
I agree with steve that regardless this will not cure the root problems of UO. I feel instead of complaining, my time is better spent learning how to program and draw so I can make my own mmorpg.

 

[Kreegan]

I'm really unsure as to what I'd do. I cam from Atlantic and if you've ever seen things there......

 

[imported_Death of Hemp]

As for cheats in pvp? I've said this a thousand times but why not say it agian. There's CEO Medic for dexxers and SpeederXP for speedfiends. That's about the end of it now.


Not true. Its like the police using radar detector detectors. There are constantly new pvp scripts popping up on the test shard. Im not gonna list examples again like I have in other posts but if you dont believe me Google it and watch how often new cheats come up for sale. As soon as EA stops one (Easy UO for example), another one pops up in its place. Not to mention that if you know what your doing you can write your own UO Assist. I say again, if you need to cheat and exploit to "win" in a video game and feel good about yourself, then perhaps you should look into getting a life.

 

[Crunch VmP]

pb is liek for toal ****s

 

[imported_Death of Hemp]

pb is liek for toal ****s




pb is like for those who dont have to cheat to win nor base their self worth on it

 

[Guest]

Any more news on PB? It seems to have gone rather quiet. Of course, there's the old saying about letting sleeping dogs lie...

 

[Ker]

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Bottom line: We don't want our lives 'messed up'. Be it our in-game lives or even worse, our real lives. Some feel PB is a blatent invasion of privacy - but, as was said, there are lots of threads about that. So, what we're aiming for here, is to keep the impact on our in-game lives to a minimum.

While folks like yourself would come here if this was the last 'safe haven', the shard many of us have been playing on for years would be utterly changed, forever. We've had our fill of that, quite honestly.

So, while the anti-PB discussions are quite valid, if it DID come into effect, it would be far, far, worse for us as a community to become the non-PB shard, than to receive it.

From a privacy point of view, that may or may not be true.

But to suddenly be the only place in all UO that is allowed to script, cheat, hack, and so on would spell the death of this pretty unique community.


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I fully agree with this view. It is my conviction that the community of Siege has come into being by the need to make friends while building your character and doing things together. I therefore am convinced the Siege community as we know it would be destroyed if an uncontrolled influx of fully developed characters possibly with gear and gold is allowed.

More people coming to Siege is a good thing but let them build their characters there and make friends there.

Also Siege seems to me the last shard that one should think of turning into a cheater heaven and haven.

If anything, what Siege has become is so much more immersive and fun, realises so much more the potential of UO, that it should be cherished and preserved, not trampled underneath!

With respect to the privacy issues, I can fully understand everyone's concerns, I have them too. In particular I hope that EA and PB are aware of the legal requirements in Europe pertaining to privacy.

Cheers,

Ker

 

[Mandolin]

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With respect to the privacy issues, I can fully understand everyone's concerns, I have them too. In particular I hope that EA and PB are aware of the legal requirements in Europe pertaining to privacy.

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For those with privacy issues.. do what I did. I searched around for instances where PB and Privacy were an issue. Almost everything I found wound up being people who immediately blamed PB and in the end it was their own fault for putting their privacy at risk. Giving a friend/relative their email password, letting somebody untrustworthy use their computer, an unsecure wireless connection, not running spybot or adaware and getting multiple trojans and the like. The list goes on.. but, no where did I find an example where somebody's privacy was compromised by playing a game which used PunkBuster.

 

[Feyre]

OMG IM POSTING IN A WORTHLESS THREAD!!!!!!11111~


oh rtlfcbbqwtfpwnftw

 

[Beatrice Quill]

You say that as if it's something new...

Still, I really hope that if PB ever arrives, it arrives on Siege at the same time that everyone else gets it.

I'd also like to win the lottery.