Power scroll availability

[Rainfo X]

So how is everybody feeling about power scroll availability, especially Trammel players? Are they still pretty expensive?

If I came back to the game I wouldn't mind getting at least a 120 Magery for my main character, but I don't even know if my guild is around and usually people just PK a solo player at spawns.. It feels slightly counterintuitive to join a pvp guild just to hope I find a scroll, and going to Fel with non-pvpers is lame cuz they just run if other people show up. Id love it if I could just join into a spawn in Tram where they drop and possibly have more on the market at a relatively cheaper price, unless the availability has changed significantly since last time I played.

Im sure if the devs are playing as the announcement says, Mages will GM meditation right quick. And it sucks when you hit that wall and the game halts to your character's progress.

So yeah, pks/scammers/thieves have never made UO fun for me. It was always the world, friends, towns, dungeons, houses, skills, and stuff.

If there's a possibility for a classic shard then theres a possibility for cooperative public power scroll spawns. After all trammel has been around since almost the beginning it feels like. And for a good reason.

 

[Storm]

they cost in the millions some where around 20 mill of course depends on shard !
if you are counting on a 120 scroll for magery and dont have the money and dont pvp ! i would not bother coming back!
its one part of the game thats made me think of leaving!

 

[Bullet]

they cost in the millions some where around 20 mill of course depends on shard !
if you are counting on a 120 scroll for magery and dont have the money and dont pvp ! i would not bother coming back!
its one part of the game thats made me think of leaving!

Sorry to say, this is a large reason why i left. The elite and powergamers have control of this aspect that is needed for lower game play.

 

[Sneaky Que]

Sorry to say, this is a large reason why i left. The elite and powergamers have control of this aspect that is needed for lower game play.

In no way do up need 120 magery for "lower {level} game play," or higher level either.

There are only 2 templates that I would say require it; a mage weapon char that gets his wep skill from magery, and a nox-mage to get the 120 mage 80 poison = 200 total for best nox. Both of these really only apply the the PvP versions of these templates.

Sure, dont get me wrong, there are definate advantages to having 120 mage, 100% on 8th circle, higher chance to poison successfully and healing more with gheal to name but 3. But you absolutly do NOT need 120 magery. 100-115 will do fine, especially in PvM.

 

[Gelf]

In no way do up need 120 magery for "lower {level} game play," or higher level either.

There are only 2 templates that I would say require it; a mage weapon char that gets his wep skill from magery, and a nox-mage to get the 120 mage 80 poison = 200 total for best nox. Both of these really only apply the the PvP versions of these templates.

Sure, dont get me wrong, there are definate advantages to having 120 mage, 100% on 8th circle, higher chance to poison successfully and healing more with gheal to name but 3. But you absolutly do NOT need 120 magery. 100-115 will do fine, especially in PvM.

these reasons were never valid years ago and even less so today.

 

[Smokin]

In no way do up need 120 magery for "lower {level} game play," or higher level either.

There are only 2 templates that I would say require it; a mage weapon char that gets his wep skill from magery, and a nox-mage to get the 120 mage 80 poison = 200 total for best nox. Both of these really only apply the the PvP versions of these templates.

Sure, dont get me wrong, there are definate advantages to having 120 mage, 100% on 8th circle, higher chance to poison successfully and healing more with gheal to name but 3. But you absolutly do NOT need 120 magery. 100-115 will do fine, especially in PvM.

That is not true I have died many times because of failing spells at 110 magery. I wouldn't say its absolutely needed but its more then oh you will be just fine espcecially in PvM. Heck you also forgot the crafter needing 120 magery for scribe.

 

[mbraud4]

Its easy enough to farm up the gold to buy a 120 magery by being a trammel player. Go to the abyss and farm up ingredients, sell at 400-500k per 10, you will have your scroll in no time. Scroll prices should drop over time due to scroll binders as well. Anyone else who says you must pvp and only pvp to get powerscrolls is a moron, and there is a thread full of them if you use the search engine.

 

[UOKaiser]

How much are they on siege?

 

[popps]

if you are counting on a 120 scroll for magery and dont have the money and dont pvp ! i would not bother coming back!
its one part of the game thats made me think of leaving!

the bold added by me to better indicate the relevant point....

This is a line that, "if" I was a Developer of the game, would get me jump on my chair and worry...........

But what do I know ?

I have been saying for long that letting a limited number of players to hold tight the monopoly and control of powerscrolls spawn was bad, really bad for the entire game.

Yet, this has been going on for years with just a handfull of players stocking up so many millions and, thanking to that wealth be able to buy themselves all of the best gear, weapons and blah blah to become almost impossible to beat in PvP thus, making it even harder for others to break the monopoly.

Yet, nothing happened to change this other than a small change to ghost cams.
And when someone "tried" to suggest letting 105s and 110s to spawn in Trammel ruleset Champ spawns, the thread heated up and was shortly after ended....

Is this a TABOO argument which, for one reason or another, cannot be discussed even though its consequences for the good or for the bad can be very relevant for the game and for its well being when they affect subscriptions and so, resources for the game ?

I'd love to know how many players did not return to the game or quit playing the game over these years because of the sad status of powerscrolls.

Perhaps, if there were statistics and feedback showing how short sighted might have been the decision to have powerscrolls spawn run as they do, Ultima Online would have more players now........

But this is just a feeling of mine, but I do wish I could know how many left the game or never came back to it because of this particular issue.

 

[popps]

Sorry to say, this is a large reason why i left. The elite and powergamers have control of this aspect that is needed for lower game play.

Ouch.........

Definately, I would LOVE to know over these years that the powerscrolls' "status quo" and monopoly of a few has been left pretty much untouched, how many players left the game over this issue and how many because of it were (and are) deterred from coming back.

Having some raw, hard numbers about it perhaps would make some understand the harm which this status of things might have done (and is still doing) to the game itself.

 

[popps]

Its easy enough to farm up the gold to buy a 120 magery by being a trammel player. Go to the abyss and farm up ingredients, sell at 400-500k per 10, you will have your scroll in no time. Scroll prices should drop over time due to scroll binders as well. Anyone else who says you must pvp and only pvp to get powerscrolls is a moron, and there is a thread full of them if you use the search engine.

Excuse me ?

Why should a casual player HAVE TO feel obligated to spend countless hours doing some boring farming activity ONLY so that those players holding tight monopoly of Powerscrolls, and getting them a go-go through protection, easily, thanking to their uberness and expensive maxed out suits/weaponry, can then use a fraction of the tens of millions they make with their EASY powerscrolls hunting to buy hours and hours and hours of boring, repetitive game play from those casual players ?

And this dynamics is supposed to be healthy and good for the game ??

Give me a break...........

I might well be wrong, but I do NOT think it as healthy for the game a system which forces some players to have to build up wealth doing repetitive, long and boring farming activities be them Bulk Order Deeds, harvesting resources or whatever ONLY so that they can have the tens of millions to buy powerscrolls which were obtained by a limited number of players in a MUCH shorter time.

The real asset of a player is TIME.

When a player has to spend, say 10 hours of gaming time (to earn gold) to get the same item which another player gets in 30 minutes (the powerscroll), something is DEAD WRONG with this game, IMHO.

This system eventually backfires for the game because it creates a large number of very frustrated players who eventually get fed up and quit thus depriving the game of important and needed resources (subscription money).

And this, only to let a much more limited number of players to stock up so much wealth they do not even know how to spend it any longer after some point ?

I could well be wrong in my thinking, but personally, I am astonished that this status quo has been going on for so long, so many years, without any true change to it.

It would be really wonderfull if we could know once and for all how many players Ultima Online lost over the years because of this status of things and how many players are not coming back to the game because of this.

Perhaps, if we could have these data many people would change their mind on whether letting powerscrolls' spawns be monopolized is or not a good thing for the game......

 

[Viper09]

So how is everybody feeling about power scroll availability, especially Trammel players? Are they still pretty expensive?

If I came back to the game I wouldn't mind getting at least a 120 Magery for my main character, but I don't even know if my guild is around and usually people just PK a solo player at spawns.. It feels slightly counterintuitive to join a pvp guild just to hope I find a scroll, and going to Fel with non-pvpers is lame cuz they just run if other people show up. Id love it if I could just join into a spawn in Tram where they drop and possibly have more on the market at a relatively cheaper price, unless the availability has changed significantly since last time I played.

Im sure if the devs are playing as the announcement says, Mages will GM meditation right quick. And it sucks when you hit that wall and the game halts to your character's progress.

So yeah, pks/scammers/thieves have never made UO fun for me. It was always the world, friends, towns, dungeons, houses, skills, and stuff.

If there's a possibility for a classic shard then theres a possibility for cooperative public power scroll spawns. After all trammel has been around since almost the beginning it feels like. And for a good reason.

Powerscrolls are available. There will be some vendors where you may find some for really cheap outside of Luna. Well, cheap compared to Luna prices I mean.

There are some spawns in T2A that are a lot less likely to get raided. May be some outside in Fel that are less likely as well. So you are completely capable of getting a group and finishing a spawn. I know people who do those spawns without getting raided. Just don't try to do the Despise one unless you know a good down-time. lol

 

[popps]

So how is everybody feeling about power scroll availability, especially Trammel players? Are they still pretty expensive?

Prices......

I thought to offer some indication of prices for 120 powerscrolls (good luck trying to find lower ones, after scroll binders they are just gone......so much for helping out new/returning players...........).

Magery usually runs 15+ millions. Not uncommon to sell at 20 millions.

Magic resist along with Evaluate Intelligence runs 10+ millions.

Parrying/Swords/Bushido/Mysticism and some others is not uncommon to see them at 6 to 8 millions

Then we have a bunch of averagedly priced scrolls around 4-5 millions a piece and then the lower ones which usually run for a million or a bit above or below that.

120 Focus which was sold for little due to a recent change to the way Mysticism works surged in price by 10 folds if it can be found for sale at all (very few available at this time). I have seen it priced even at 7 millions....

Bottom line is, if a player wants to scroll out a character in a few skills prepare to spend easily many tens of millions in the process......

Beats me how the simple thought of this might not be a deterrant for many players who may want to try the game or return to it and how come in so many years nothing was done (other than a small ghost cam change) to change this status of things which, as I see it, hurts the game, overall.......

 

[UOKaiser]

Prices......

I thought to offer some indication of prices for 120 powerscrolls (good luck trying to find lower ones, after scroll binders they are just gone......so much for helping out new/returning players...........).

Magery usually runs 15+ millions. Not uncommon to sell at 20 millions.

Magic resist along with Evaluate Intelligence runs 10+ millions.

Parrying/Swords/Bushido/Mysticism and some others is not uncommon to see them at 6 to 8 millions

Then we have a bunch of averagedly priced scrolls around 4-5 millions a piece and then the lower ones which usually run for a million or a bit above or below that.

Bottom line is, if a player wants to scroll out a character in a few skills prepare to spend easily many tens of millions in the process......

Beats me how the simple thought of this might not be a deterrant for many players who may want to try the game or return to it and how come in so many years nothing was done (other than a small ghost cam change) to change this status of things which, as I see it, hurts the game, overall.......

Well new players should never have scrolled out characters in the first week. They are new for a reason. Returning players either start out new again so they have to play like there new. If they remmeber the game they will make that gold in no time. If there only interested in pvp then I point them to siege.
If there interested in being a trammel player well they know what to do. This is a RPG game after all.

 

[Arch Magus]

power scrolls are easily available..

gold is easier to come by than it ever was..

whiners..

 

[Heart Breaker]

I think power scrolls are easily available, as well. I have 3 chars that are Legendary mages, and I have three 120 Magery scrolls locked down in my castle. (and I got another 120 magery scroll last week that I sold and split between another guy I was champing with at the time).

I champ almost daily, and can solo barracoon. Server up is a good time to champ on Europa, I rarely see anyone.

If your shard is THAT populated that you just can't champ, maybe make a stealther, and try to get the discarded scrolls? (I know on Europa there's usually some scrolls in despise on the island ... plus you can make some good money by picking up the gold) Or you could always x-shard to a less popular shard and farm them to bring back

And buying them is always an option, it really isn't difficult to make money in UO.

 

[G.v.P]

if you are counting on a 120 scroll for magery and dont have the money and dont pvp ! i would not bother coming back!
its one part of the game thats made me think of leaving!

the bold added by me to better indicate the relevant point....

You guys are ridiculous, powerscrolls are not hard to get, just get in a guild to get them and you'll get them. If you don't want to PvP, find someone to protect you, split the scrolls for the cost of the protection, don't spend anything.

If you can't get in a guild or find protection, just make a female char and find a rich dude, shrugs .

The only thing that has changed in the short term is the practice of scroll binding, which now makes it so no one ever really sells any scroll that isn't 120, or if they do, someone who is rich will buy them before someone who could actually use it can buy it.

I guess a fourth option could be just macroing a stealther. Most people drop 110s and even some 115s on the ground on occasion. And hell, slap on archery and suddenly you're a "PvPer" .

 

[Babble]

Prices seem to be dropping for most scrolls.
Really though depends on your playstyle and what you want to achieve.

 

[popps]

power scrolls are easily available..

gold is easier to come by than it ever was..

whiners..

No matter how many posts I may read, from opposing thoughts on the matter, I still cannot understand or agree with those who say that things as they are are just fine.

Those who hold tight the monopoly of powerscrolls get them quite easily and in quite a short time. I heard of spawns done in like 30 minutes and in that time frame quite a number of scrolls, more with protection, are spawned.

So, in 30 minutes, a player can possibly get tens of millions.

Another player, instead, unable to break that monopoly, in order to get that 120 powerscroll will have to spend countless hours if not days or weeks doing some boring farming activity only to stock up those millions needed to buy a scroll which took to someone else merely a few minutes to get.

I cannot see how such a dynamics could ever be healthy for a game. It leads a bunch of players to get frustrated and, perhaps, think that their time might be better spent on some other game.

And when players quit, or are deterred to come back because of this one issue, it is the game which looses for reduced resources and so ability to fix things and add new content.

 

[Sneaky Que]

If there's a possibility for a classic shard then theres a possibility for cooperative public power scroll spawns. After all trammel has been around since almost the beginning it feels like. And for a good reason.

A true classic shard would have no powerscrolls, all skills would max at GM the way it was back then.

 

[Sneaky Que]

these reasons were never valid years ago and even less so today.

They are actually... if you just want to hunt lower lever stuff, and you have just come back to the game (as the OP stated), you have no reason to need high level items, high level/cost scrolls, or high level skills. That comes later, once you are ready and able.

 

[Mistura]

Here we go again. Another cry fest about people not being able to get free powerscrolls.

Learn to play UO instead of crying on UHall

 

[Sneaky Que]

That is not true I have died many times because of failing spells at 110 magery. I wouldn't say its absolutely needed but its more then oh you will be just fine espcecially in PvM.

Ok, maybe I should of said that differently. I can manage just fine in PvM with only 115 magery. Some people may not be able to, but I KNOW that I can.

And no, of course its not needed. That was my point.

Heck you also forgot the crafter needing 120 magery for scribe.

No I didn't, I said...

Sure, dont get me wrong, there are definate advantages to having 120 mage, 100% on 8th circle, higher chance to poison successfully and healing more with gheal to name but 3.

"...to name but 3" meaning that there are other advantages (such as scribe as you mention) to having 120 magery, but I only mentioned 3 of them.

 

[Mairut]

It depends on your definition of classic shard. Some think before the split, some say after.

You should really think about making a thief one of these days though, I think you'd have a lot of fun letting loose. It's a game, you can always step away if it gets to be too exciting for you.

Anyways...

Here we go again. Another cry fest about people not being able to get free powerscrolls.

Learn to play UO instead of crying on UHall

This and:

"When a player has to spend, say 10 hours of gaming time (to earn gold) to get the same item which another player gets in 30 minutes (the powerscroll), something is DEAD WRONG with this game, IMHO."

You don't HAVE to spend 10 hours getting gold to get the item. You COULD spend 30mins-1hr getting them like the rest of us.

You refuse to take the risk that the rest of us take in getting them, so you pay a higher price for them. If you refuse to step foot in Fel to get what you dearly need, then don't complain when we charge high prices... Yes, because we know you'll pay whatever we charge because you're "safe" in Trammel. I wouldn't be surprised if some add the cost of pots (among other things) to the price of scrolls, like some do for the plants they grow.

And if I remember correctly, when these first came out they were considered umm.. "high-end items" because of the Advantage they gave you, and thus there needed to be a greater risk involved in obtaining them because of this advantage.

Seems like a fair trade to me. Either take the risk of losing insurance money, buying pots, arrows/bolts, bandies, repairs and whatever else to get them quickly, or you pay a higher price for them when we bring them back to you where it's "safe".

Risk=Reward.

Here's a novel idea though... maybe get in touch with one of those evil pvp guilds, and make a deal... "we'll supply you with imbued gear, make you pots, grow you orange petals,(or whatever) if you can supply us with some good scrolls everytime you go to a spawn".
And hey... there's the "community" everyones been looking for too.

 

[Freelsy]

How much are they on siege?

About 4mill.

 

[Zayin666]

Excuse me ?

Why should a casual player HAVE TO feel obligated to spend countless hours doing some boring farming activity

So you actually think it is easy to get a 120 magery even if you where not killed by pks?

Think again... that 120 magery is a rare drop so I guess you will actually be spending LESS time farming the gold, than you would if you had to hope for that 120 magery to drop in your bag! Seriously.. how easy do you want this game to be??

 

[Zayin666]

Those who hold tight the monopoly of powerscrolls get them quite easily and in quite a short time. I heard of spawns done in like 30 minutes and in that time frame quite a number of scrolls, more with protection, are spawned.

So, in 30 minutes, a player can possibly get tens of millions.

So you actually think that 10 or 20 120 magery scrolls drop at each champ? Think again... most of the scrolls dropped will be useless 110 and 115s.

My point is you make it sound SOOOOO easy to get those sought after 120 scrolls, but in reality they do not drop that often....

On top there is not 1 player getting all scrolls... so those millions and millions of gold you speak about are diveded by all those that attend.

If you really want to farm them yourself, then find a bunch of people to play with and go do some champs...

 

[popps]

You don't HAVE to spend 10 hours getting gold to get the item. You COULD spend 30mins-1hr getting them like the rest of us.

Really ?

Then ask those (like GRI on a couple of shards) who have made an effort to do that and what happened (see recent thread about insurance problems....).

Breaking those monopolies is hardly possible, IMHO, if it was, we would not have had the issue of powerscrolls being so expensive for years.

The real issue, as I see it, is that they are just too an outrageous source of revenues, IMHO, and because of this, for outsiders it makes it pretty much impossible to "earn" their powerscrolls the playing way.........

Here's a novel idea though... maybe get in touch with one of those evil pvp guilds, and make a deal... "we'll supply you with imbued gear, make you pots, grow you orange petals,(or whatever) if you can supply us with some good scrolls everytime you go to a spawn".
And hey... there's the "community" everyones been looking for too.

And that would be what kind of a "deal" if I may ask ??

Some players get their goodies easy and fast (the scrolls monopolists) and some other players have to bust their @#$!@# and spend countless hours, days, weeks to work for someone else for crumbs ?

No thanks, much better be allowed to earn one's own scrolls through gameplay, "if" it was possible.........

 

[Zayin666]

Really ?

Yes REALLY.. it only takes 30-60 mins to do a spawn...

But are you sure you will get a 120 magery? No!!

Could you end up doing 10 spawns before you get a 120 magery? YES!

Would it be easier to farm gold in SA? MAYBE

It depends on your playstyle... you come along as a dude that wants to play this game by yourself... alas you have to farm mobs you can kill by yourself and then buy what you want from people that do know how to play together

 

[Warsong of LS]

scrollbinders are your friend, just save them you get there! If you get into an active guild, it can be quite fun.

 

[popps]

Seriously.. how easy do you want this game to be??

The thing is, that this game is particularly VERY easy for "some" players and many of these happen to be those who have under tight control the powerscrolls' spawns.....

Risk vs. Reward are just empty words, IMHO. Several of these players have accumulated so much wealth and top end items that, in an item based game, they can easily do anything they wish in the game and prevent anyone to ever get close to those spawns and endanger their wealth source....

The game is hardly any risky for many of these players. Infact, it is the opposite for quite a few. It has become soo easy because of their uber gear and weaponry and ability to buy tens upon tens of runic kits to crank out the super uber weapons and spend a fortune on imbuing them on top of it to just become even stronger and less touchable by anyone that the game has become so easy that they get bored.........

And they call for making the game harder but most players do not own those super uber top items and so, cannot catch up.

 

[Zayin666]

The thing is, that this game is particularly VERY easy for "some" players and many of these happen to be those who have under tight control the powerscrolls' spawns.....

Risk vs. Reward are just empty words, IMHO. Several of these players have accumulated so much wealth and top end items that, in an item based game, they can easily do anything they wish in the game and prevent anyone to ever get close to those spawns and endanger their wealth source....

The game is hardly any risky for many of these players. Infact, it is the opposite for quite a few. It has become soo easy because of their uber gear and weaponry and ability to buy tens upon tens of runic kits to crank out the super uber weapons and spend a fortune on imbuing them on top of it to just become even stronger and less touchable by anyone that the game has become so easy that they get bored.........

And they call for making the game harder but most players do not own those super uber top items and so, cannot catch up.

I dont know what shard you play, but you surely dont play Europa... yes we have some pvp guilds that raids the champ spawns and we have alot of guilds doing champ spawns, but they cant camp those spawns 24/7 and if you bring 5 players along Iam sure you will for the most part be left alone.

Even if you get killed every other night you do a spawn.. so what? its just part of the game.

To me it sounds like you just gave up because you heard about the evil players hogging all the items you think you rightfully should have..

Try it... go to some spawns and see how bad it is.. bring some friends.. have some fun... you might do it for a week without getting any scrolls.... dont you think that those "godly" players you speak about spent some time gettig where they are??

 

[Connor_Graham]

*sigh*

Same ol', same ol' from poops. Perfectly solid logic discarded so he can argue some totally unrelated tangent that he has no working knowledge of.

The plain and simple explanation-

1. It's possible to make 5m per hour PvM'ing.
2. 120 Magery scrolls DO NOT fall from the heavens like gold at a champ's death.
3. PS's are available to everyone. This monopoly BS is just that, BS.
4. PS's are the only Fel only reward, and no, faction items are not Fel only when you and a buddy can take turns killing each other, rezzing, then repeating to get points in a perfectly safe location.
5. Every argument about PS's from those that whine about them being in Fel is full of nothing but excuses as to why it's "TOO HARD" for them to get them for themselves.

There. Argument ended. You may now move on to a new complaint Ms. Lohan. You've already worn this one out.

 

[Mairut]

Really ?

Then ask those (like GRI on a couple of shards) who have made an effort to do that and what happened (see recent thread about insurance problems....).

Breaking those monopolies is hardly possible, IMHO, if it was, we would not have had the issue of powerscrolls being so expensive for years.

The real issue, as I see it, is that they are just too an outrageous source of revenues, IMHO, and because of this, for outsiders it makes it pretty much impossible to "earn" their powerscrolls the playing way.........



And that would be what kind of a "deal" if I may ask ??

Some players get their goodies easy and fast (the scrolls monopolists) and some other players have to bust their @#$!@# and spend countless hours, days, weeks to work for someone else for crumbs ?

No thanks, much better be allowed to earn one's own scrolls through gameplay, "if" it was possible.........

If you don't want to pay what you see as outrageous prices for powerscrolls, then go to fel and get them yourself. You don't HAVE to spend hours, days, weeks to get these items. You CHOOSE to.

And I outlined the "deal" part well, but since you're having issues:

Find a pvp guild who would be willing to trade you powerscrolls for things they need.

The things they need would be the resources (pots, petals, repairs, etc.)

Agree to make some pots for them and to have them ready by such-and-such date/time.

Tell them that in return for "x" number of pots, petals, repairs or whatever else they say they need on a regular basis for pvp you would like to get some powerscrolls.

The reason you are trading pots, petals, repairs and the like is because the pots, petals and durability are what they "pay" in order to get these powerscrolls.

Negotiate the exact amount and type of resources for the exact amount and type of PS.

I'm not saying this isn't foolproof. I'm not saying that you'll actually find a pvp guild that needs you to do this. I did, in fact, say it was an Idea; and typically ideas need to be tested before being labeled as true or false.

And how is that not gameplay? You're playing the game no matter how you get these scrolls, are you not? (I would hope so, anways....)
And what's this about "if" it was possible. There are (quite possibly) hundreds of ways to go about making millions in this game, for very little of your time, so I'm failing to understand how it isn't possible for you.

 

[popps]

Even if you get killed every other night you do a spawn.. so what? its just part of the game.

To me it sounds like you just gave up because you heard about the evil players hogging all the items you think you rightfully should have..

Unless one can gather very large groups which is kinda difficult in UO these days, to handle those spawns one has to rely on some good high end gear which is expensive to get (high mods).

Some players, just do not feel comfortable with risking those few good items they have because something is not clear about insurance. Especially, when to get those items they had to work in game for a LONG time, either harvesting resources or farming spawns.

As I see it, the saying "go get your scrolls" has hardly any meaning for many players given what the status of several things in the game is.

 

[Mairut]

Unless one can gather very large groups which is kinda difficult in UO these days, to handle those spawns one has to rely on some good high end gear which is expensive to get (high mods).

Some players, just do not feel comfortable with risking those few good items they have because something is not clear about insurance. Especially, when to get those items they had to work in game for a LONG time, either harvesting resources or farming spawns.

As I see it, the saying "go get your scrolls" has hardly any meaning for many players given what the status of several things in the game is.

Maybe you should play atlantic. I saw a pretty cool faction fight in the lost lands last night, and there were some pretty nice numbers. If these pvprs can get these groups together....

When Fel is dead, and nobody goes there...

Then it shouldn't be too terribly hard for you, you know, because you're in Trammel and thats the part of the shard thats really populated...

How about instead of buying that good high end gear, you make it yourself? Or maybe politely ask someone in your guild to make some for you?

And what's not clear about insurance? You shouldn't be going to Fel (talking about prodo shards, people) unless you understand how insurance works rolleyes:

Look, it's already been said that it can take WEEKS to get those 120s, just like it takes you WEEKS to get resources or gold from pvm.

On top of those WEEKS it takes people to get those 120s, it costs them THOUSANDS of gold in insurance, pots and repairs.

 

[popps]

Find a pvp guild who would be willing to trade you powerscrolls for things they need.

The things they need would be the resources (pots, petals, repairs, etc.)

How convenient the deal, but for whom ??

The powerscrolls hoarders get their items fast and easy (hardly any risk for them) while the other players have to sweat and spend countless time in order to be able to match the prices they are being asked for those scrolls who costed hardly anything and no time to get.....

Yeah, what a great deal........./sarcasm

Players spending weeks upon weeks of gaming time to make the gold value equivalent to get a scroll which took a few minute to some other player to get. Only because some players are precluded, cut out from being able to access those scrolls' spawns.

Getting a bunch of frustrated players who end up hating the game is very very brilliant to keep subscriptions up, yeah right............

And how is that not gameplay? You're playing the game no matter how you get these scrolls, are you not? (I would hope so, anways....)

TIME, the real issue at stake here is the TIME needed for players to get that same one scroll.

Those who are allowed to hunt that scroll on their own, will get that scroll far, far, really far faster than any other player who will have to build up the gold in some other way to be able to then buy it.

This creates not only a gross inbalance of some players having to spend a much longer of their gaming time to get that same scroll as other players, but it also might end up frustrating those players after a while alienating them away from the game,

It might be ok to do it for just a scroll or 2 but since many scrolls are needed in the game to play it extensively, it gets old to have to farm gold forever to make enough gold to buy all the powerscrolls needed.

And this, only because some players keep those spawns under their tight control deterring anyone else to get close to them.

I see this as unhealthy for the game and as I said, I would LOVE to know the numbers of how many players over the years quit the game because of this status of things and how many were deterred to come back to it because of this (sad) status of things.

And whatever costs subscriptions to the game more than the subscriptions it brings (negative balance), is bad for the game, IMHO.

 

[Zayin666]

There are (quite possibly) hundreds of ways to go about making millions in this game, for very little of your time, so I'm failing to understand how it isn't possible for you.

Its because he wants everything dropped into his lap with no effort put into it.
The whole idea of everyone should have easy access to this and that combined with the "The rich are bad" makes it sound a little communistic

 

[Mairut]

How convenient the deal, but for whom ??

The powerscrolls hoarders get their items fast and easy (hardly any risk for them) while the other players have to sweat and spend countless time in order to be able to match the prices they are being asked for those scrolls who costed hardly anything and no time to get.....

Yeah, what a great deal........./sarcasm

Players spending weeks upon weeks of gaming time to make the gold value equivalent to get a scroll which took a few minute to some other player to get. Only because some players are precluded, cut out from being able to access those scrolls' spawns.

Getting a bunch of frustrated players who end up hating the game is very very brilliant to keep subscriptions up, yeah right............




TIME, the real issue at stake here is the TIME needed for players to get that same one scroll.

Those who are allowed to hunt that scroll on their own, will get that scroll far, far, really far faster than any other player who will have to build up the gold in some other way to be able to then buy it.

This creates not only a gross inbalance of some players having to spend a much longer of their gaming time to get that same scroll as other players, but it also might end up frustrating those players after a while alienating them away from the game,

It might be ok to do it for just a scroll or 2 but since many scrolls are needed in the game to play it extensively, it gets old to have to farm gold forever to make enough gold to buy all the powerscrolls needed.

And this, only because some players keep those spawns under their tight control deterring anyone else to get close to them.

I see this as unhealthy for the game and as I said, I would LOVE to know the numbers of how many players over the years quit the game because of this status of things and how many were deterred to come back to it because of this (sad) status of things.

And whatever costs subscriptions to the game more than the subscriptions it brings (negative balance), is bad for the game, IMHO.

I find it amazing that you know all that about spawns, considering you (make it seem like you) never step foot in Fel.

And it does take TIME to get these (120) powerscrolls from a spawn. It can take WEEKS if you're even a bit unlucky.

Those WEEKS of spending TIME on getting those scrolls, on top of all the GOLD it COSTS to buy/make/otherwise obtain pvp resources, can really add up.

That cost of this TIME and GOLD spent is then passed down to whoever wants to buy them at the prices they're at.

I'm done debating with you over this... maybe come back when you know what you're talking about? (especially when it comes to Fel... you know, cause you won't risk going there).

 

[popps]

And what's not clear about insurance? You shouldn't be going to Fel (talking about prodo shards, people) unless you understand how insurance works

There was a thread recently about insurance, interesting read........

Look, it's already been said that it can take WEEKS to get those 120s, just like it takes you WEEKS to get resources or gold from pvm.

On top of those WEEKS it takes people to get those 120s, it costs them THOUSANDS of gold in insurance, pots and repairs.

It may take some time to get that 1 particular 120, but the thing is, that while spawning for that particular 120, a NUMBER of other 120s, which mean millions upon millions in revenues, are obtained.

Powerscrolls used to be the best revenue source of the game and only because now most players are fully scrolled in all of their characters it has slowed down as a revenue source but it still brings home a LOT of wealth......

And with wealth, comes the ability to buy the best items, imbue the best items and ALWAYS stay on top of PvP or PvM.

This is why powerscrolls spawns are deadlocked to many many other players.

Too bad many do not see how eventually this status of things may hurt the game alienating many players from it.

 

[Zayin666]

Those who are allowed to hunt that scroll on their own, will get that scroll far, far, really far faster than any other player who will have to build up the gold in some other way to be able to then buy it.

This is just wrong.. Iam sure you can make enough gold to buy most 120 scrolls in the same time or less than it would take for you alone to actually get the scroll you need.

Of course if you join a guild where all scrolls are collected and then distrbuted out to the guild players using something like DKP (Dragon Kill Points) or simular point systems, then you will likely get them faster.... but it seems like you refuse to play with other people and hence your only option is to get gold and buy the scrolls... its your own choice.. noone forces you to this type of game play.

 

[popps]

........but it seems like you refuse to play with other people and hence your only option is to get gold and buy the scrolls... its your own choice.. noone forces you to this type of game play.

Some players are not just as lucky as other players in ending up in a good Guild.

Some players learn at their expenses, that there are instances where it is good to be in a Guild only if one actually "leads" that Guild.......

Of course, it is probably a matter of being less or more lucky in ending up in the right guild, I guess....

Nonetheless, it could be that some players who had a few "unlucky" experiences with Guild membership may not want to keep on their unlucky streak.....

 

[Zayin666]

Some players are not just as lucky as other players in ending up in a good Guild.

Some players learn at their expenses, that there are instances where it is good to be in a Guild only if one actually "leads" that Guild.......

Of course, it is probably a matter of being less or more lucky in ending up in the right guild, I guess....

Nonetheless, it could be that some players who had a few "unlucky" experiences with Guild membership may not want to keep on their unlucky streak.....

and after being unlucky so many times one might want to look back into oneself and see if a change is needed in the way one would interact in such a guild...
Basicly... it comes down to if you are fun to be arround in a guild if not you will find your self sidelined and untill you try to adapt you effectively chose to play this game solo

 

[Mairut]

This is just wrong.. Iam sure you can make enough gold to buy most 120 scrolls in the same time or less than it would take for you alone to actually get the scroll you need.

Of course if you join a guild where all scrolls are collected and then distrbuted out to the guild players using something like DKP (Dragon Kill Points) or simular point systems, then you will likely get them faster.... but it seems like you refuse to play with other people and hence your only option is to get gold and buy the scrolls... its your own choice.. noone forces you to this type of game play.

Zayin666 on his 666 post!!!!!! :gun:

Some players are not just as lucky as other players in ending up in a good Guild.

Some players learn at their expenses, that there are instances where it is good to be in a Guild only if one actually "leads" that Guild.......

Of course, it is probably a matter of being less or more lucky in ending up in the right guild, I guess....

Nonetheless, it could be that some players who had a few "unlucky" experiences with Guild membership may not want to keep on their unlucky streak.....

Well, then... here's wishing you better luck in your future awesome-guild-finding endeavors...

 

[Zayin666]

Zayin666 on his 666 post!!!!!! :gun:

Yeah noticed it myself... wondered if I should have taken a screenshot of it

 

[Mairut]

Zayin666 on his 666 post!!!!!! :gun:

Yeah noticed it myself... wondered if I should have taken a screenshot of it

Screenshot FTW!!!

Although powerscrolls don't enrich PvP guilds to the extent they used to, the few guilds who hold (or try to hold) monopolies over spawns still wield enormous power over their shards' economies. All characters - new or upgrading - still need powerscrolls. These few guilds can selectively release the scrolls they want to "share," and withhold others.

On Catskills and other shards where the Circle Alliance has been very effective in breaking the scroll monopoly, we have also resisted making deals with the PvP based Fel spawners. To be blunt, they have a poor track record for keeping their word. Deals also reinforce their power. (See above.) Instead, we have encouraged and taught many players who've had little or no experience in spawning to go to Felucca and get their own scrolls.

Over on www.uoforums.com under Catskills guilds/GRI you will find more information. GRI is the nominal leader of the Circle Alliance, but in reality we are just one of many guilds working towards a better shard community.

"People only have as much power of you as you're willing to give them..." (somebody said that one time) I'm glad you found a solution to this quandary.

Going to Fel at all can be a tough hurdle to cross for some, and I'm glad to hear you all are helping people become more self-reliant in the game Will definitely check out the website

 

[popps]

and after being unlucky so many times one might want to look back into oneself and see if a change is needed in the way one would interact in such a guild...
Basicly... it comes down to if you are fun to be arround in a guild if not you will find your self sidelined and untill you try to adapt you effectively chose to play this game solo

Well, it could also be that there might be Guilds just set up in a way that items, particularly the best items, end up too many times to only some members who happen to run the guild. If one has the bad luck to end up in such a Guild, well, it might not sound much funny and one could possibly prefer, after a few such bad experiences, to just play on one's own.......

 

[popps]

On Catskills and other shards where the Circle Alliance has been very effective in breaking the scroll monopoly, we have also resisted making deals with the PvP based Fel spawners.

I would be interested in hearing what type of a deal was offered over the control of Powerscrolls.........

Was it perhaps a deal that would have ended in keeping the price of Powerscrolls high for the rest of the player comunity of that shard (i.e. create an artificial shortage of powerscrolls to keep prices high for scarcity of offer) ?

 

[Thadagaron]

Seriously Popps,if you keep at it you will eventually stumble across or find the right player or guild to get you where you want to be.

I too thought the same as you about powerscrolls for years thinking they had to be bought and there was no way i ever would get one by myself.

My getting into a guild who did scrolls was by a chance meeting as a miner.( I had been in two guilds previous to this that had not gone well.) This red pk kept killing me when mining his choice im in fel so he can kill me as much as he wants. i wanted the ingots so on so on.Then one day he pops out and says you dont script then,i said no,he said ok kool.

Everytime he seen me after that he said hello and left me sometimes he killed me sometimes he didnt. But eventually we struck up an accord and he asked me to go do basic things with him like peerless then once i had joined him and some friends to help they eventually invited me along on a spawn.

So stick at it m8 it will come and as others have stated many times if you do eventually do some spawns be prepared to be dissappointed a lot when that champ dies, because 120 drops are rare and 120 magery is very rare.

But it will come if you stick at it!!!

 

[Zayin666]

Well, it could also be that there might be Guilds just set up in a way that items, particularly the best items, end up too many times to only some members who happen to run the guild. If one has the bad luck to end up in such a Guild, well, it might not sound much funny and one could possibly prefer, after a few such bad experiences, to just play on one's own.......

I cant really understand what the problem is then...
You chose to play solo thus you cant expect to get stuff that requires several people to get??

Iam sure there are nice guilds out there that wont screw you over