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Crystal Canyon
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Tsk Tsk...calm down already. Everyone has a right to their opinion.
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Poll: Do you like Luna?
- Thread starter Trevelyan
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Not me...I apparently don'tEveryone has a right to their opinion.
I like Luna. I have vendors there and they make me cash. I am sure EA didn't expect Luna to become the Wallmart of Uo that it has become. I know that most of the people in Luna are not scripters but hard working people. Perhaps the prices are a bit high but you have to consider how hard you had to work(or how many times you died) to get your products and charge accordingly.
I think the knew what was going to happen, the way the bank layout is, and the in wall homes. They had to know it was going to be brit west bank on crack
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Crystal Canyon
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Like I said before...you can travel around Luna most any day and will not see the the amount of scripters you see anywhere else in this game. I can go to TerMur just about anytime of the day and see several script miners. Used to be Minoc and around Brit. Should I say anyone that has a house now in Termur is a scripter and cheater? Ouchie! That would be wrong!
Luna was based on cheating from the start? Thats hysterical! Now what about Minoc? I mean there are so many places that you can place a house plot right up against the side of a mountain and mine all day right from your house! Oh dang! ( sometimes even unattended!!!!) Was Minoc one of those places that was set up just for cheating? Holy Cow we will have to make a new thread and see if we can get the mountains removed! LOL
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't lump people into categories based on where they have a house. For your information, I have a Luna house and I didn't place it. I bought several years ago from a guy that was quitting Uo. So therefore Im not one of those scripters that you refer to as placing a house in Luna....but I do own a Luna house...thats makes me a scripter?
And who says people can't have successful vendorhouses if they are not in Luna? Pfft...Ive seen several. They drop runes and they make a name for themselves as a reliable and well stocked vendorhouse. Its called working for what you want to do in the game.
I have stated before...I would love to see everyone congregate at WBB again. I would be right there with them. But to insinuate that anyone with a house in Luna is a cheater, scriptor, duper, or whatever, just because you don't have a house there...well it looks...hmmmmm...you choose the word!
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Informed? Wise? Educated? Enlightened? Objective? Non-biased?
Take your pick.
On Atlantic...there are an extremely high number of dupers and scrpters that have vendors in Luna.
And I am 100% sure it is the same on pretty every other shard.
That is not to say that EVERY house in Luna caters to these people...I am VERY sure they don't...but you cannot deny that it is rampant...not and keep a straight face you can't.
I'd like to point out, it's 2am EST, and on ATL there is 6 of us bank sitting at Brit West Tram
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Crystal Canyon
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THere are a lot of cheaters in the game, that is true. And at the moment I would say that yes, most of the people congregate in or about the Luna Bank.
But...if they did away with Luna, and people went back to Brit Bank, would all these cheaters and dupers just mysteriously go away? Or would they simply move to Brit Bank? Then would there be multiply posts about "Lets tear down Brit bank...its full of cheaters?"
They are out there and they will not go away because a town has gone away, they will simply move to another location.
My question is, where in Luna does all this cheating take place? No one mines there or lumberjacks there. There is no fishing there And if someone is duping something, if you know they are in the act of duping, why doesnt someone call in on them? ANd how do you tell when someone is duping something? Can that only be done in Luna?
Just asking.
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Well, you guys might want to get someone to mow the roof...rolleyes:I'd like to point out, it's 2am EST, and on ATL there is 6 of us bank sitting at Brit West Tram
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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That's like saying..."well, they don't actually MAKE the crack at Jr. High Schools".
rolleyes:
when they were asking for people to send in pics for the redecro Brit West Bank contest, I entered a screenshot of it the way it already was... I didn't win
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Crystal Canyon
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Exactly so! Now like I said...If they get rid of Luna, then they will just go sell their so called duped, cheated, whatever, items at another location. It's the same way in real I guess, if we blow up every Jr, High School, will that stop the production of crack? I think not.
Now, you see what I'm saying.
The SE city is not that far off from the Luna set up. There are open house plots there.
Yes those that have run great vendor houses be it in the boonies or the Luna Lap don't last. Takes a load of work that snowballs into more work to upkeep a great vendor house. Takes about a year before it gets old and a few drawn out events put you behind.
Yes those that have run great vendor houses be it in the boonies or the Luna Lap don't last. Takes a load of work that snowballs into more work to upkeep a great vendor house. Takes about a year before it gets old and a few drawn out events put you behind.
Exactly so! Now like I said...If they get rid of Luna, then they will just go sell their so called duped, cheated, whatever, items at another location. It's the same way in real I guess, if we blow up every Jr, High School, will that stop the production of crack? I think not.
Now, you see what I'm saying.
point made, however people who dupe want to get rich the lazy way, so it would at least force them to make their own vendor shop, drop runes and all the work involved. I ran a rather busy vendor tower on LS for a while, with the amount of time it takes, it might actually stop some of them. and everyone that stops is a major win.
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Crystal Canyon
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LOL...now thats just too funny!when they were asking for people to send in pics for the redecro Brit West Bank contest, I entered a screenshot of it the way it already was... I didn't win
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Nope. I think you are just rationalizing.Exactly so! Now like I said...If they get rid of Luna, then they will just go sell their so called duped, cheated, whatever, items at another location. It's the same way in real I guess, if we blow up every Jr, High School, will that stop the production of crack? I think not.
Now, you see what I'm saying.
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)
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Luna sucks.
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Crystal Canyon
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Why would it force them to make their own vendorhouse just because it isnt in Luna? The first vendor spot I ever rented was in the plains of Despair...way off the beaten path. Tons of people rented there.
I honestly think that Brit is better place to congregate. It is more fun and easier to hold conversations there thats for sure.
I think the way Luna is set up probably did put a hamper on other small vendorhouses out of the way, but it does not stop vendoring as people try to claim it does. Think about it, even before there was a Luna, anyone who had a vendorhouse anywhere dropped runes. I go over on Baja and see runes all over the bank. I also see people picking them and going there.
Luna did not breed cheaters, dupers or scripters. They were here in game long before Luna was even thought of. Everyone that owns a Luna house is not a cheater, duper, or scripter. I would be willing to bet just about anything I own in game that if tomarrow, when we logged on and there was no longer a Luna, that there would still be cheaters.
I agree we should all go back to bank sitting or whatever in WBB. I'm all for it. But I also think that calling everyone in Luna cheaters and such is only causing those who do like it to buck up against any kind of such movement.
JMO
I know vendor homes can still run, but I shut mine down when people flooded to Luna and homes were selling for thousands of $$.
the reason I think it would curb some people is because it's waaay to easy to dupe/script something, just drop it on your luna home vendor and that's that. but if they had to run their own home in the middle of nowhere, that's extra work they *may* not be willing to do.
even after Tram was born, I ran a 3 vendor small marble in fel for a really long time, and it did really well, even with having to use moonstones and it being in fel. but the entire dynamics changed with luna, of course that has nothing to do with what you asked me, just wanted to toss that in
the reason I think it would curb some people is because it's waaay to easy to dupe/script something, just drop it on your luna home vendor and that's that. but if they had to run their own home in the middle of nowhere, that's extra work they *may* not be willing to do.
even after Tram was born, I ran a 3 vendor small marble in fel for a really long time, and it did really well, even with having to use moonstones and it being in fel. but the entire dynamics changed with luna, of course that has nothing to do with what you asked me, just wanted to toss that in
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Crystal Canyon
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Moonstones! Omg...I had forgotten about them...LOL Now those were the days!I know vendor homes can still run, but I shut mine down when people flooded to Luna and homes were selling for thousands of $$.
the reason I think it would curb some people is because it's waaay to easy to dupe/script something, just drop it on your luna home vendor and that's that. but if they had to run their own home in the middle of nowhere, that's extra work they *may* not be willing to do.
even after Tram was born, I ran a 3 vendor small marble in fel for a really long time, and it did really well, even with having to use moonstones and it being in fel. but the entire dynamics changed with luna, of course that has nothing to do with what you asked me, just wanted to toss that in
So many things changed with Luna. It was AOS altogether. I honestly dont think most of the cheaters would even open vendorhouses of their own. They would do like some of them do now and that is to sell their high priced goods a bit cheaper to vendor owners for resale.
We have all seen it and all gripped about it...the cheating has got to the point that people dont even want to play the game. Eliminating one town is not the answer. Illiminating the cheaters is. What happened to the program that was suppose to come out to be used to detected some of the cheats?
Maybe we should all just go to Brit and pretend that AOS never happened...LOL
I'm still standing in Brit with 3 AFKs I think haha. But it was called PunkBuster, for whatever reason they scraped that. People seem to think cause it would have banned all the *wait, can I even say the name of program here?* users, and that's like 75% of the UO players, so they turned a blind eye to save money... but who knows
This Poll doesn't nearly reflect my hatred for Luna...
Wheres the Burn it to the ground option?
Luna is a shoddily made rip off of the beautiful city of Trinsic... Mind you despite my love of the architecture of Trinsic I always hated it in UO I blame the sandstone. It was amazing in Ultima 6 though Seriously though look at Trinisc Luna is a badly done copy right down to the roads, walls and even the paladins. Just with no artistic love put in. The reason people use Luna now as the main bank is because the Devs in some drunken stupor did those dumb invasions and left Luna safe. If they were smart they would do a equally long invasion of Luna and possibly Ter Mur and let everyone go back where they belong so when people do return they aren't left going Oh... no one plays any more.
Wheres the Burn it to the ground option?
Luna is a shoddily made rip off of the beautiful city of Trinsic... Mind you despite my love of the architecture of Trinsic I always hated it in UO I blame the sandstone. It was amazing in Ultima 6 though Seriously though look at Trinisc Luna is a badly done copy right down to the roads, walls and even the paladins. Just with no artistic love put in. The reason people use Luna now as the main bank is because the Devs in some drunken stupor did those dumb invasions and left Luna safe. If they were smart they would do a equally long invasion of Luna and possibly Ter Mur and let everyone go back where they belong so when people do return they aren't left going Oh... no one plays any more.
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Vertigo
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I like Luna just fine.
By the number of people that are ALWAYS there, seems others do too.
I dislike WBB due to the horrible decor.
Sorry Vlad
By the number of people that are ALWAYS there, seems others do too.
I dislike WBB due to the horrible decor.
Sorry Vlad
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Zyle
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I've just returned to the game and WBB was pretty much the first place I headed to - I was very confused and quite sad to see it empty!I miss WBB
If I were a designer, I would have certainly created a Luna-like place.
But I would have put the "prime" real estate area in the dark section.
Or more precisely, I would have switched the themes of Luna and Umbra.
That being said. I hate Luna and everything it stands for. I just see it as a necessary evil.
But I would have put the "prime" real estate area in the dark section.
Or more precisely, I would have switched the themes of Luna and Umbra.
That being said. I hate Luna and everything it stands for. I just see it as a necessary evil.
I don't get why they made the bank sitting area so tiny, when they knew it was going to be the new bank to sit at...
This!Totally hate it. As a city I dont have a problem. However, with what it represents now, I hate it. It represents laziness, ugliness, greed and corruption (scripting/duping, or whatever else you want to put there).
For any UK people who know Milton Keynes, I dislike Luna for the same reasons. It all looks ugly, its just a bunch of shops with a bank in the middle, its a lifeless inorganic grid and every road looks the same!
How is it right that you can just log out, bank, get bods, sell stuff, stable pets and go to a moongate all within 2 screens and with very little movement! Makes a mockery of every other town in UO. In addition, it is ugly and has so little history compared to that of Britannia.
Finally, nobody starts in Luna or even Malas anymore!
It just makes me sad that theres all these other towns around UO that are all so empty. Shops, roads, banks.. it looks so wrong to see. There is no logical reason for shopkeepers to exist if nobody uses them
Also, there should be no moongates inside towns. I'd be happy if they moved the Luna and Umbra moongates about 20 screens outside the city limits.
Luna on Siege is a cesspool!
I voted with the no voters !
I will try to stick to design of Luna though.
Housing should NEVER have been permitted inside those town walls.
Instead they should have left the center as the great Paladin sort of big center building, scholarly sort of place, like some Yew Abbey no bank within it.
Then outside of the main hub of Palis only they could have built a tailor shop, tinkerers shop, miner blacksmith shop, town library, scribe shop alchem shops etc and the mint etc. etc. using the entire interior big square within those walls for a more realistic town that was not squished into a few crummy tiles of city, filled with ..........player run homes like some ghetto.
I would not have permitted housing anywhere in those interior walls whatsoever.
The moongate would have been placed OUTSIDE the N most or S most or E or West most town wall.
The design actually cheated a CITY from becoming a city like many of the other cities in UO where ya walk from shop to shop or library, npc shops, zoo whatever within the town's boarders. Despite the fact Umbra is black dreary and so forth at least they made it look like a city when they created it...not a sandstoney box squished in a tiny square...with player houses all in the way all over the darn place. It actually cheated the city of Luna, of it's own unique identity as a town for paladins to learn, to become, and to exist.
So much potential crushed into becoming nothing but a squished box of a City more like... let us get AOS pushed out faster, make it one big food court of claustrophobia squashed into one tiny box within town walls of nothing, let players slap houses up in there.. sort of set up !
And as houses decay shards wide on the exterior of other cities, UO does not even PERMIT us to put up a house NEAR Ocllo, nor NEAR Trinsic etc. etc... where houses once stood too close to towns. All we get is...HOUSING is NOT permitted here *anymore* !!
I will try to stick to design of Luna though.
Housing should NEVER have been permitted inside those town walls.
Instead they should have left the center as the great Paladin sort of big center building, scholarly sort of place, like some Yew Abbey no bank within it.
Then outside of the main hub of Palis only they could have built a tailor shop, tinkerers shop, miner blacksmith shop, town library, scribe shop alchem shops etc and the mint etc. etc. using the entire interior big square within those walls for a more realistic town that was not squished into a few crummy tiles of city, filled with ..........player run homes like some ghetto.
I would not have permitted housing anywhere in those interior walls whatsoever.
The moongate would have been placed OUTSIDE the N most or S most or E or West most town wall.
The design actually cheated a CITY from becoming a city like many of the other cities in UO where ya walk from shop to shop or library, npc shops, zoo whatever within the town's boarders. Despite the fact Umbra is black dreary and so forth at least they made it look like a city when they created it...not a sandstoney box squished in a tiny square...with player houses all in the way all over the darn place. It actually cheated the city of Luna, of it's own unique identity as a town for paladins to learn, to become, and to exist.
So much potential crushed into becoming nothing but a squished box of a City more like... let us get AOS pushed out faster, make it one big food court of claustrophobia squashed into one tiny box within town walls of nothing, let players slap houses up in there.. sort of set up !
And as houses decay shards wide on the exterior of other cities, UO does not even PERMIT us to put up a house NEAR Ocllo, nor NEAR Trinsic etc. etc... where houses once stood too close to towns. All we get is...HOUSING is NOT permitted here *anymore* !!
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Der Rock
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you dont like it?.....DONT use it
simple enough???????
let me say this: IF all of the "reanimate Brit bank" people would BE there...the brit bank
would not be DEAD.......LOL
dont force OTHER to go to places YOU like...
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Der Rock
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i had like to see if they had made a ring of small vendor shops and each acc could rent a vendor there....that would be fair....now we have most luna houses owner are "play for a living" people
(and exploit placer)
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A Rev
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If they werent able to get free advertising on a script run website, they would need to advertise...hence would take work, which was morganas point. 2nd, what the hell does your vendor spot in the plains of despair have anything to do with anything!
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Brit / Skara brae ROCKS!
Luna houses where placed by scriptes and cater for scripters vendor getting advertised by scripters.
People who placed Luna houses where one of 2 things...scripters [mostly] DAMN LUCKY! [Maybe 1 person] They cater to scripters and breed scripters 2 ways.
1)It is a scripted website that tells you whats on every vendor...Luna bred this.
2) Luna vendors allow scripters to keep vendors fully stocked of scripted goods [mining lumber whatever], This also breeds scripters as others see it and want a slice.
The people in Luna arnt all cheaters, the majority of the original home owners are, so are the majority of owners of the vendors.
Let's move the banker to WBB. Please! I have a Luna House, and would take that move gladly.
I miss WBB, and I refuse to hawk wares in the Luna Bank, ever. I really dislike that place. I love Luna itself...just don't like having the bank there. Maybe they could move the moon gate outside the city itself, as well, like it is in Skara Brae. That wouldn't be bad at all, in my opinion.
If I had to drop runes to attract customers, it sure wouldn't be the first time.
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Der Rock
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the original place for the malas moongate is behind one of my houses...would be happy if they moved it where it belongs
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Crystal Canyon
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Read and then comprehend. Its pretty self explanatory.
If this is the truth, and you and everyone else that has made these same type of statements "KNOW FOR SURE" that the majority of the people who own housing or vendors in Luna are scripters and cheaters, then I assume that it would be fairly easy for all of you call EA and get everyone of them banned from the game, thus allowing you good folks then to own all of the houses and vendors. Easy fix there! Just pick up the phone, or easier yet, call a Gm right in game!
It is astounding to me that so many know this to be a fact and yet dont want to do anything about it. I guess I just don't get it.
I would like to see an ingame auction/vendor browser. Something similar to what SWG had when I played it. You could go to a terminal, browse for items for sale or place a bid on an auctioned item. When it was purchased a location marker was placed on your map. You still had to go to where the vendor was located to pick it up.
I think this system would allow more competition while not taking so much away from the good vendor spots. A vendor in Luna would still be a prime location because of the ease of access for the shopper. Moongate houses would be great too.
I could probably do without the auction option. UO player run auctions are some of the best events put together.
I think this system would allow more competition while not taking so much away from the good vendor spots. A vendor in Luna would still be a prime location because of the ease of access for the shopper. Moongate houses would be great too.
I could probably do without the auction option. UO player run auctions are some of the best events put together.
I'm fine with the city. Malas does a fine job of what (I think) it was intended for. Housing and Selling. If it is on it's own server, it is a brilliant way to offload CPU. Ever notice that not many events happen in malas?
Also our EM uses brit quite a bit. The events are a little smoother with out all the extra noise for bank sitters.
Also our EM uses brit quite a bit. The events are a little smoother with out all the extra noise for bank sitters.
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Merriweather
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I live close to Umbra and am always amazed by how little traffic we get. There is plenty of room for bank sitting, as well as lots of nice big houses with vendors or vendor spaces, and still openings for more house placement for those looking for lots. Because vendors are spread along the highway there is little lag. If you don't like Luna, patronize Umbra; it's not yet got the variety of vendors that Luna has, but if more customers came by that would change rapidly.
Have you ever called EA for support? Just curious, because if you have, which of the numbered options did you choose? Was it Rock Star, or The Littlest Pet Store Online? It certainly WASN'T Ultima Online. It's only an option if you choose - OTHER.Read and then comprehend. Its pretty self explanatory.
If this is the truth, and you and everyone else that has made these same type of statements "KNOW FOR SURE" that the majority of the people who own housing or vendors in Luna are scripters and cheaters, then I assume that it would be fairly easy for all of you call EA and get everyone of them banned from the game, thus allowing you good folks then to own all of the houses and vendors. Easy fix there! Just pick up the phone, or easier yet, call a Gm right in game!
It is astounding to me that so many know this to be a fact and yet dont want to do anything about it. I guess I just don't get it.
That alone should give you an indication of just how highly EA regards this game, and its user base.
Now, for other anecdotal evidence, I'd offer 7-8 years of posts on Stratics, but since there was the meltdown, you'll have to settle for the roughly 2 years of posts that currently exist.
You can be as biased as you wish, and you can offer whatever revisionist history that you care to, but the fact remains - the only farce that was bigger than the initial house placement in Luna was the telestorming that occurred with Renaissance.
Again, I ask you to honestly explain how any single vendor can sell HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ingots - not iron, not dull copper, not even shadow, but GOLD and above. Now explain how you can have upwards of 2 dozen doing it. I want to learn how to do that through normal gameplay. I really do.
And I'd really like to know why no dev, EM or GM has taken the time to investigate that, and similar, questions. It's all right there. They might even manage to notice the afk golem beaters while they're at it...
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Gowron
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Screw Luna! It is a cheap knock off on the theme that was Trinsic. At least Umbra has its unique theme.
Blow up Luna, and build it from scratch. If it is to retain its loose affiliation than Trinsic, then make it a miniature Trinsic without the player houses inside and not making it the two story box that it is.
Of course, in blowing up Luna, the player houses must be left in tact. I'd be interested to see how desirable those plots would be afterwards.
Blow up Luna, and build it from scratch. If it is to retain its loose affiliation than Trinsic, then make it a miniature Trinsic without the player houses inside and not making it the two story box that it is.
Of course, in blowing up Luna, the player houses must be left in tact. I'd be interested to see how desirable those plots would be afterwards.
I vote they New Haven Luna... LOL except this time it would be an ugly city first and a better looking city after instead of what happened before...
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Evlar
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Haha... reminded me of when I passed through there on the train once. Somebody had spray painted "F***ing Lego Land" under every "Milton Keynes" sign on the platform of the station.
As for Luna, the idea was fine, but what it's turned into isn't. I think every city has been crying out for a setup whereby players could place vendors or homes within, or close proximity, to them.
I've always felt that this was something missing from the towns themselves and hence why pretty much all the other towns are devoid of players. I know on different shards there are player run "towns" and townships, but I've always believed the static towns could have all benefited from something like this.
I think there was a thread some time back that went into this. Probably the Magincia thread. Many people liked the idea of rebuilding Magincia with space for player homes and thus vendors. Even mentioned was a market stall type setup. Basically there were lots of great ideas to really encourage players to interact with and support the towns and cities more.
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MYUO
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I am that 1 person although I won't call it lucky - just took half day off, get to EB games when it openned on AOS release date, and drove carefully but asap back to home.
I like Luna bz it save players' time when they just want to make some quick bank or NPC stops. That is what I do mostly bz I like to spend more time on other things in game. The size of the bank area could be 2-3x larger but for current UO population, it is not too bad.
To find out if more ppl like or hate Luna, just think about this: if a Luna house falls at the same time as another house (anywhere in UO, 2x the size), which one will attract more players to camp? Are the players who camped at the Luna house all scripters/dupers?
This Love/Hate Luna topic has been on and off so many times. That itself shows Luna's uniqueness, or miniuture of UO post AOS.
I'll disagree with this. I stood in line at EB Games I think waiting for my Aos...drove home as fast as I could, and without any scripts or even a UOA macro, managed to place a house on the inner ring inside Luna, on Great Lakes....
Nope.Not me...I apparently don't
Your avatar was sitting in Luna while you were here blabbering, wasn't it?
Mine is.
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Trevelyan
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I don't.