That's why it should be a sort of sliding scale, with a bonus for GM...
So youre saying for a beggar to be worth something you have to be at 100 GM and getting a chance to get a spider web... then makes it worthwhile?
How about a sliding scale to get the highest level of wood out there for lumberjacks? Silly I know. But the same thing. A reward for GM Beggars should be just that, a reward for GM Beggars. GM Beggars get a reward for GM'ing Begging and ALL other players have the exact same chance to get every other reward.
You don't follow that getting a reward that seems to be very desirable is very worthwhile? Really now? So if the reward isn't worthwhile, why are so many people whining about the fact that they will have to buy theirs instead of earn it through their skill?
The could have made it a scrap of paper and those without the skill needed to get it would still complain. Its one item that finally gives GM Beggars something worthwhile. Non GM Beggars can always buy them so its really a win win. This whole '80 Begging' nonsense is pretty much centered around those players that only have 80 Begging. Shocking I know. If most of them had 90 Begging, they would want the limit set at 90. If most of them had 70 Begging, they would want the limit set at GM.
The point was to have something that actually benefited the GM Beggar. Imagine if the wood gotten from GM Lumberjacking was just normal wood with the Lumby's name on it? And that all the colored wood could be gotten with 80 Lumby. Good idea huh? GM Lumberjacks would still get a unique item for their efforts, but not one that was worth having. We have seen how wanted those lanterns from begging are haven't we? Not very. Same goes for the begging shirts. No one wants them at all. Webs are win win because they reward GM Beggars for their efforts AND add a new deco that many many people want.
Actually, the lanterns are the only begging item that is wanted. They stay lit when placed in a vendor's hands, so are useful for decorative lighting purposes. They sell for 10-25k too, depending on shard.
25k is not much. Especially when its from a skill that has no other benefits to it. You can't fight with it. You can't tame with it. You can only beg with it and get cheap items with it. Anyone that can honestly say that Begging doesn't deserve much more really can't be told otherwise. One little deco item is a good start. But, even as a GM only reward, its not nearly enough to justify either the points dedicated to it or the time spent getting those points.
I sell my beggar lanterns for 1k at my vendor shop.
Yeah you know
). Sure it would be nice to have it kept at 80, but this skill is a royal pain to GM so it's not a big deal to put the webs as a GM reward. And as I said in the other thread, maybe in time they'll add a couple of different web styles to acquire in some way. 
I figure it's meant to show that the ad agency Geico has working for them doesn't know beans about tennis scoring.
Now that is one commercial that I love to see myself.
This brings up the gist of the arguments many of us are making that are being completely ignored.
because you can get ANY bod with 70.1 smithing. Skill beyond that minimum INCREASES your chances at color bods, it is not a requisite.Tiered or not, you don't get the high level wood at 0-99.9 but you get it at GM. Its a reward for having GM skill. 0-99.9 Beggars already have things they can use their skill to get. GM Beggars had nothing that only they could get. Now they do. And it was a good move to finally give them something that only those that worked the skill to GM could get.
As stated above, non GM Beggars already have items that only they can get. Only now has something been added to the game that gives GM Beggars something only they can get.
They did. They made any beggar able to get all of the begging items. And they made ONE item that only GM Beggars can get.
Using your logic, anyone with 99 in Begging will have access to the new item. See there, we already lowered the requirement by one. All that beggar has to do is get their GGS each day and reach the GM level. Perfect. Wait, I know. Now you want 80 skill beggars to get it too. Then the 70 skill beggars want that level to get it. Where does it end? I know where, back where we were before the devs made the right decision and added GM Beggars getting something unique. Back to the point where GM Beggars got nothing special at all. Glad they are smarter than that. Its rare but in this case they were.
BTW, to the guy who mentioned 80 smithing and not getting a Val hammer bod, maybe you should look at the system again
I think he's having a dream, and in his dream he thinks he's beating her but when he looks up at the scoreboard he isn't, and then it turns into a nightmare cause geico is everywhere....
Another person I hate agreeing with that I am forced to agree with.
You missed my point. Yes, you have to have an exact amount of lj to get frostwood, but it is not an All - Or - Nothing situation. As one gains in the skill they gradually have access to more and more types of wood. It isn't simply you get all BUT frostwood at 0 - 99.8, and +frostwood at 99.9.
Not as part of the trick-or-treating they don't.
You don't need ANY begging skill to get Anything other than the web.No. Quite the contrary. I am saying that any skill that allows you to do/make/find something at all has Stages on the way up the ladder. As (again) with smithing. You don't get BODs for anything you haven't earned the skill to make, but as you gain skill more types become available to you.
So your real issue is that the GM begging reward is tied to trick or treating. Which means if they just changed it to a seasonal GM only reward you would be ok with it. I would support that. It still gives GM Beggars a bonus and keeps the items rare.Not as part of the trick-or-treating they don't.
I would be ok it the heartwood things became tiered like other skill rewards and the top end reward (webs) being GM only. Perfectly fine with that.
Again, your issue is that the webs are gained through trick or treating. I can understand that. Like I said, making it a seasonal GM only reward gotten from actual begging would be fine with me.Do you see how rediculous it looks in any other context?
Even Non-Lumberjacks can get all but frostwood, and 100.00 LJ lets you get frostwood too.
Even Non-Miners can get all but valorite ore, and 100.00 skill miners can get Valorite too.
It just doesn't make any sense.
What the heck did I ever do to you?
I was just teasing.What the heck did I ever do to you?
I really don't get the lack of time testing though. Normally I would have tried to test as much as possible, but RL interfered.Okay smarty pants
make all my argument simple enough I sound stupid for having had to say it so many different ways!!
Wow I forgot...
Like I said, I think most people would be ok with making the current begging items tiered and have webs be a seasonal reward for GM Begging. It seems too many people are getting stuck on the trick or treat part and forgetting that .1 beggars do already have items that they can get. Just that they aren't tiered yet. But I could see them making that change without too much grief on the boards about it. As long as the existing items are tiered and the webs are GM Only I think that its a win win.Okay smarty pants
If Trick-or-treating is based on begging it should be based on begging. That means that Most (since there should be Some items available without skill as with all other skills) of the items should be tiered to obtain at Different levels of the skill.
Having webs available simply from begging during the season would work too, and would serve as a .. precident .. for similar niceties for other skills around the year. Imagine detect hidden around Easter or Arcane circles on the solstices/equinoxes etc.
I don't believe too many beggars would complain if they added new items to begging that were tiered. Like I said, I think a lot would even be ok with making the current items tiered with the season GM Only reward being the Web and some new item being available for year round use of GM Begging.
HellooooIt's a shame there's no way of telling how long a character's been training a skill... I'd be happy for webs to be GM-only but I'd also like to throw a bone to those people who have been slogging away at Begging for years going the slow-gain-through-playing route.
The OP shot himself in the foot by saying eventually everyone will have or afford webs anyway.. so, really, what's the issue? For a fleeting moment, gm beggars get to shine. Let 'em have their moment.
I love how the rest of the year next to nobody gives a rodent's rectum about Begging, but an item is thrown our way at Halloween and suddenly everyone has an opinion..
Why do only lumberjacks have access to high end wood? Why do only miners have access to high end ore? So something is FINALLY given to GM Beggars and people can't stop complaining about it.
Uh, apparently, you know NOTHING about lumberjacking.
