It doesn't matter what UI it is, mine or someone elses, if it's cheating... it's cheating. And if its NOT cheating UOA should be allowed to do it too.
Though if I had to guess, I would assume they simply didn't think about/are not aware of it.
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Though if I had to guess, I would assume they simply didn't think about/are not aware of it.
I have 1.25-1.5s to press a special move hotkey.
A monster can cast Blood Oath on mo at any time. How can I press a key when he cast it 1 ms before my hit? Add here ping and some time to react ... let it be 250 ms (very optimistic)... so if I hit every 1.5s then 1 time of 6 I get less than 250ms to react and die.
Add casting spell words to monsters so I could react. In other case it's a one-shot-killing spell.
Or you can just adjust your tactics when fighting necro using monsters. OR you can, heaven forbid, die sometimes. If the UI prevents you from getting hurt it turns the spell into nothing more than a 1-2 second pause, in other words, no threat, defeating the purpose of it.
I mean obviously its a beneficial script, but then again, all cheats are beneficial.
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Look it does not matter how you try and dress it up, being able to Auto by pass another person/monsters attack is not within the spirit of the game, so there for it should not be legal
No one polices the UI. Really? You know this b/c so much of the rest of uo isn't policed as well? I don't yet believe no one look at this before release.
It also occurs to me that if you consider this a script. Isn't attended scripting legal anyway?
I hate to say this but UOA is no longer being updated or anything else ...... the people that originally worked on it have moved on... 2d is still in my opinion dragging the game down/holding it back/ and keeping UO in the "Relic" phase.
Lets face it the code for 2d is ancient and a disaster... it's full of bugs not that the EC isn't.... however had the KR actually made it out the door without being totally abandoned ... had they actually worked to improve it the way it should have been then you would know the difference ..... however we were once again taken back to the dark ages of computer gaming and so here we are like it or not.
And finally the only things "Allowed" in the UI are things the DEV's have given the ability to adapt... So if you CAN add stuff like that to the UI then it's acceptable...... Otherwise they would have made it something that wasn't allowed.
People do far worse things with the 2d client using programs I won't mention... and they have for YEARS yet that continues.
The debate over all this could go on and on and turn quite ugly infact..... however I'll say this... if ever it came down to them stopping the EC and if Pinco ever did quit and the UI no longer functioned then I'd be done with UO as I would rather quit playing than return to 2d. That would be a MASSIVE step in a backwards direction and I just don't think I'm willing to go there.
Lets face it the code for 2d is ancient and a disaster... it's full of bugs not that the EC isn't.... however had the KR actually made it out the door without being totally abandoned ... had they actually worked to improve it the way it should have been then you would know the difference ..... however we were once again taken back to the dark ages of computer gaming and so here we are like it or not.
And finally the only things "Allowed" in the UI are things the DEV's have given the ability to adapt... So if you CAN add stuff like that to the UI then it's acceptable...... Otherwise they would have made it something that wasn't allowed.
People do far worse things with the 2d client using programs I won't mention... and they have for YEARS yet that continues.
The debate over all this could go on and on and turn quite ugly infact..... however I'll say this... if ever it came down to them stopping the EC and if Pinco ever did quit and the UI no longer functioned then I'd be done with UO as I would rather quit playing than return to 2d. That would be a MASSIVE step in a backwards direction and I just don't think I'm willing to go there.
such scripts has been around for the CC since the game came out.. they still exsist and people still use them.
this is why they should get rid of the CC and just focus making the EC more better
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But is that an argument for this being OK? Because I don't see the logic in that. This can ALSO be bad, without lessening the severity of other issues.
It's an argument for: I don't get all the hubbub over this when we put it into the context of all the other stuff people are doing with scripts...
By itself, I still don't see this changing too much in PvP. Most people are already fast enough to pull off these war-mode toggles when necessary.
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Well for WoD I guess it would always be a one-hit- kill, except since it's a spell it has nothing to do with War-Mode being toggled on/off.
I meant strictly as a dexer thing. double strike could possibly kill you in one attack... but technically it's two hits.
I mean its like saying "It's ok if I punch a guy in the face, because there are people out there getting shot to death."
As for it changing pvp, 1) pvp is not the only aspect of the game and 2) you are right, good pvpers have good timing, which is the majority of what UO skill is comprised of, this script lowers the requirement of skill.
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Dunno man, I only had issues with blood oath for a few weeks after it started being used on mobs (2002-03ish?), but now it's easy to be.... well, "blood-oath-Proof" as far as a (melee) dexer goes anyway.
A Thrower or an Archer, might possibly be able to one-shot themselves... and obviously a Spellweaver can, because they don't leach life, or enough life to live through a 600-1k damage reflection, BUT you do have control over WHEN you hit you're target with that kind of damage, so blood oath shouldn't be an issue for any casters.
I don't have issues with blood oath, and to me, this option regardless if some people think it's cheating or not, it's easy to make it work for you against people who use it in pvp, so it means nothing to me.
The right template cannot die to blood oath, (the one I use can't), but um I'll just assume you use the same or a similar one
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No, PvP is not the only aspect to the game. But what significance would this war-mode toggling addition have on any other aspect of UO?
And yes, it would lower the skill requirement for PvP in terms of timing. But given the amount of people who actively PvP (most of whom are very skilled), I don't see that as a bad thing.
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Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree, since timing is the majority of UO skill, I think that when the UI takes something that required timing (aka skill) and does it automatically for you, that is cheating almost by definition.
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Can certainly understand that. But yeah, we just have a difference of opinion here.
I am a CC player. I do not play the EC. I just want that understood.
That is how much I feel Pinco's UI means to UO overall. I have set it up as a reoccurring donation.
Die in less than 90- seconds to merv?? Either your one the worst mages on this server or u dueled him blind folded, Merv is one trick pony and is one of the easiest mage to beat on europa. Any time u wanna put money on a duel we can arrange a duel in arena ill glady put 100 mil on merv going down np at all!!!
Fair play respect to u allways nice to see players helping the coders keep there product going , Its a great ui if u can get use to it perosnaly i tend to play cc more than ec but i do use ec now and then and allways with pincos!!!I am a CC player. I do not play the EC. I just want that understood.
That is how much I feel Pinco's UI means to UO overall. I have set it up as a reoccurring donation.
Always a race to the bottom with the people who can't help but to show everyone their PVPnesses.
Just stateing facts if someone can beat me i glady and openly admit it not make up storys
Sadly merv aint one of those players that can so winker is drunk !!!lol so true but as i said more started useing ec now and with that in it he cant kill anything lol
I gotta,I just gotta..............
Do you ever put wootsauce on your pvpness?
Ya, I know...... My twisted inner child needs a whoopin
I would not put money on a pre planed fight, it would be far to easy for merv to throw the fight so you could go 50/50 on the cash. But if you really think your better than Merv im sure Merv will fight you for free in an arena match and i could watch. I have fought against Merv and his merry troops long before you even thought about PvP on Europa. I have killed Mervyn more times than i have had hot dinners in group situations. I have zero respect for Mervyn and his play style, but im telling you now Merv is a good solo mage! I may not like the guy but credit where credit is due. Take the Pepsi challenge and duel him with your pure mage and see.
Mervy used to pride himself on running a fair team, GOD used to be the only guild on Europa who ran speed hacks and healing scripts. Unfortunately those days are gone, he has now lowered his standards and allows cheating people to play with him. His guild had gone the same way as GOD guild did and its now a case of anything goes as long s they win!
Long before i thought about pvp on europa? know who your talking to pls before u make stupid statement ive been on europa from day one and atl before that and beta before that im not some jumped up child who thinks hes good cause the game was made easier by ea, Merv never has been good and as for pure mage its all i do play merv is the guy ruining around with a necro and pixies nobody else , So pls know your facts before u post again , Or maybe try posting with a name someone before the aos launch would know , Cause winker means nothing to us old guys who have come back to play !!! And neither does merv
Yours faithfully one of the orig europa pvpers!!!
Anyone who normally plays an unassisted CC (w/ or w/o UOA) and plays EC w/ Pinco's for a month....will never go back. Just the dress macro's alone...shifting weapons instantaneously in mobs..or after death....is worth the shift. The big fat "BlOOD OATH" that flashes on the screen is also worth the shift. So I truly believe that if you are playing CC and won't even consider shifting, it is because you are running a script program, helping with auto-healing, auto-pots, rail miner, massive BOD filling programs, afk trainers, whatever. These are the real cheating aspects of UO...not a program which will auto toggle. There is just NO reason to be playing that 1997 client......Pinco's does what UOA does, but 10 times better....so that is not an excuse. Lag is Lag is Lag is Lag, I have played both and it is just everywhere, sometimes. It is just a better game experience. But we as a player base make the continually shrinking number of Dev's hold on to and update 2 separate versions...and wonder why we don't get new content as often as we like.
Winker never left Europa over the last 14+ years, unlike some. You go and have 1v1 with mevyn and put your skill where you mouth is and we will seeLong before i thought about pvp on europa? know who your talking to pls before u make stupid statement ive been on europa from day one and atl before that and beta before that im not some jumped up child who thinks hes good cause the game was made easier by ea, Merv never has been good and as for pure mage its all i do play merv is the guy ruining around with a necro and pixies nobody else , So pls know your facts before u post again , Or maybe try posting with a name someone before the aos launch would know , Cause winker means nothing to us old guys who have come back to play !!! And neither does merv
Yours faithfully one of the orig europa pvpers!!!
you can truly believe that all you want, but it won't make it the truth. There are any number of reasons that people don't use EC. My husband doesn't because his pc won't run it. We only managed to upgrade mine before a series of domestic mini-disasters prevented us upgrading his. Sadly a new pc comes rather further down the wish list than a replacement washing machine, oven, central heating system etc.
Some people find the EC causes them to have nausea - it did me at first, but I found turning off 'footsteps' fixed that for me.
You've had the ability to scan the buffbar in 2ms in the classic client FOR YEARS. Scripts have had this ability forever. Complaining about it now is like complaining that you can breathe. Pointless. Pinco's is just giving you features that have been available for a long long time. Enjoy it while it lasts for you.
You've had the ability to scan the buffbar in 2ms in the classic client FOR YEARS. Scripts have had this ability forever. Complaining about it now is like complaining that you can breathe. Pointless. Pinco's is just giving you features that have been available for a long long time. Enjoy it while it lasts for you.
You've had the ability to scan the buffbar in 2ms in the classic client FOR YEARS. Scripts have had this ability forever. Complaining about it now is like complaining that you can breathe. Pointless. Pinco's is just giving you features that have been available for a long long time. Enjoy it while it lasts for you.
Seeing something on the buff bar and reacting to it are completely different things. Using scripts to scan and react automatically is illegal. IMO anything that is reading changes in the environment or character status and reacting without action from the player should not be allowed.
I know several people who still run the CC because they use a laptop and the EC screen is too crowded for them, or they just don't want to take the time to re-do all their macros in a new client.
Just a side note - adjusting the zoom out worked for me to remove the disorientation, but the foot steps thingy didn't. I suspect everyone has a different trigger.
It was wrong of me to say all, and I am sure there are honest players on the CC, and I apologize. Since there is no way to factually divide people who use a third party program running scripts(for whatever reason) and people who play the CC with no help, there is no reason to continue the discussion.
I will say that the only true cheating mechanism involves the CC....so in order to truly eliminate the scripters....CC has to go away.
So you either cheat with CC, are vocally supportive of the CC and hence a direct supporter of the cheating medium, or play EC.
CC is also one of the reasons UO is so stagnant and we can't move forward to a better future. We are dividing the efforts of our diminished Dev team and it is hurting the overall product. We are never going to get a newer client until the user base releases it's death grip on the CC.
I sympathize with trying to fund a better computer....EC didn't work on my Laptop and I had to update an old desktop for it to play effectively...took me a month of ebaying to afford it. But using that as a crutch isn't a good excuse because as soon as UO goes away, there is not another game out there from EVE to WOW that will play on a computer that won't play EC (well maybe minecraft). So upgrade, get Pinco's, love it and help me move the game forward.
Trust me, he's second rate, and thats not on a pure. On a pure he's dire, he pots and runs every opportunity on any of the three of the mage templates he plays. Only time he stays a little longer than usual is when prank is inbound. I trounce him every time we get anything like one on one.
I would love to see him pure mage with 0 poisoning. Oh how funny that would be.
If he could find the time of course, between whatever he normally gets up to and texting people he shouldn't.
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FYI: I am a person who plays the CC almost exclusively, and I won't consider shifting. I don't script, I don't have auto-healing or auto-pots, I don't "rail mine," I don't use scripts or anything to fill my BODs, nor do I "afk train."
Why do I prefer the CC? I just can't get over how ugly the EC is, and it's also a pain having to recreate CC and UOA macros for my characters.
Edit: I will say, though, that some of the EC's abilities are fabulous. Weapon switching makes UOA seem like the old days of manually dragging on a halberd after casting a spell. But an individual toon, houses, my backpack, look pixelated and washed out.
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Classic client is for professional pvpers. EC is the ugliest thing i've ever seen and gives me chronic headache just to look at.
Three times, three largely different dev teams have tried to create a replacement for CC. They've failed three times; majority of the community has never switched over.
Ultimately thhis means three engines worth of devving hours as dust in the wind, as far as the majority of people still subscribing in 2013 are considerd. Meanwhile, CC doesn't even get a new log in screen.
Regardless of how much one likes/dislikes EC/CC, I recon everybody can agree that such small dev team being in a situation where they have to support TWO seperate game clients is an absolutely abyssmal state matters.
I truly wish the dev team as it was in mid-late 00s had managed to create a client so great that majority of past and present UO playes alike could have found it in them to like it . Such client never got made. Being all passive agressive towards community about this, acting as if it was OUR fault doesn't cut it. Not how it works et all. It is for devs to make a client so good,aesthetically pleasing and accessible that community embraces it. It is not for community to force themselves into liking something that feels and looks bad.
They propably neither can nor want to trashcan EC. It's benefits are undeniable, significant minority has come to like it well enough. On the other hand, removing CC and leaving community with nothing but EC would propably be the last mistake UO live dev team gets to make. It really is a massive shame they (and we) are stuck in such situation.
Ultimately, "it is what it is" feels like best and only thing that can truly be said about this. I don't see a way out:l
What really has always puzzled me is why OSI/EA/Mythic never created their own version of UO Assist for classic client. One single guy not formally attached to dev team in any way can build and update such program with great success..Yet, official dev team never ried. Boggles mind. It is easy to imagine running such voluntary softtware alongside client could with ease work as an anti cheat watchdog too.
btw,
About a year back etc there was a poll here, "which client do you use?"'
105 replies. 65% answered Classic Client.
http://stratics.com/community/threads/which-client-do-you-use.296773/page-4
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I play classic client because yes EC looks absolutely horrible. its like comparing a very well taken black and white photograph to a blurry out of focus picture with half a face cut off and a thum in the photo lense. ill choose the black and white any day.
There are some nice features in EC, but not worth playing it daily.
Kingdom Reborn was much better graphically than EC. Original 3d mode was better too.
If EA / Mythic really wanted to keep the game alive, they would just upgrade to a real 3d client that didnt look like garbage.
There are some nice features in EC, but not worth playing it daily.
Kingdom Reborn was much better graphically than EC. Original 3d mode was better too.
If EA / Mythic really wanted to keep the game alive, they would just upgrade to a real 3d client that didnt look like garbage.
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Merus, if we're going to have a discussion about this topic, lets have a realistic one. LOTS of people use scripts, and LOTS of people scan their buffbar for oath. Just because you don't, doesn't mean it's not happening. And to the guy that said getting rid of the classic client would end scripting? The EC has been scriptable almost since release. Your facts aren't correct at all.
I did guess what he summoned pixies tried one dump then run away when i dispelled em ,so thxs for the challange but next time find me something that stays on screen longer than 30 seconds pls
And tbh if u stayed u about the only one lol everyone knows most top pvpers left when ninja crap came !!!, But never heard of winker and as i said i been here from day one !! Even with a break still day one!! So whats your other chars names and which pvp guilds did u play with?
So he manged to run away while in the arena? now thats cleaver!I did guess what he summoned pixies tried one dump then run away when i dispelled em ,so thxs for the challange but next time find me something that stays on screen longer than 30 seconds pls
who mentioned arean can have a 1vs1 anywhere silly man but nice dodge on your char names and guilds guess another nobody wanting to be somebody lol
Lots of folks shoplift or do drugs too, that doesn't make it legal.Merus, if we're going to have a discussion about this topic, lets have a realistic one. LOTS of people use scripts, and LOTS of people scan their buffbar for oath. Just because you don't, doesn't mean it's not happening. And to the guy that said getting rid of the classic client would end scripting? The EC has been scriptable almost since release. Your facts aren't correct at all.
Just because you don't hear me mouthing off in general chat (I always had Magnus to do that for me over the last 10 years) when i PvP, doesn't mean im not there. Although I do admit I have not PvPed for quite a few months now, Since Mesanna seen fit to revamp/Nerf factions and my entire guild chose to leave in response.. But its never been high on my list to be a "named player" that's why i keep my head down under the parapet. Actually I go out my way these days to be totally Anonymous when playing, i find it more fun that way.
Now talk is cheep, actions speak louder than words...yadie yadie ya. Now you either jump in an arena and 1v1 with Merv while you're both on pure mages doing a pure mage fight and get a screen shot of the end outcome or your just another wantabe bumping his gums.
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Everyone who leaves due to game changes are crap. I am tried of hearing about all these top PvP player who left cause the game changed, and they were so good they were unable to adapt. A good player will adapt and overcome and bad player will get up and leave.I did guess what he summoned pixies tried one dump then run away when i dispelled em ,so thxs for the challange but next time find me something that stays on screen longer than 30 seconds pls
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This is UO. "The as long as you don't get caught, it is legal." And as far as EA sees it. Even speeders have to pay their toll.
Since the OP feels his thread has been derailed, I think we'll call it finished.
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