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Pet Breeding

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BeefSupreme

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I'd like to see the ability to put pets on vendors as well.
 

Llewen

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Breeding one's own pets could present a problem. Such as only one greater dragon can be out at a time.
Actually I covered that in the op, but then I came up with the breeding token idea, which I like better. :)
 
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Evlar

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Unfortunately, I believe this concept might inadvertently mean the game features an "M" Mature rating.

"Features animals performing gratuituous sexual activity"

:D
 

Thunderz

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maybe its a risk you take?

You mate your pet with another and both die in the process, so there is only a small chance both pets survive and make a baby?

OR both pets are sacaraficed for 1 baby each?

Thunderz
 
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Beer_Cayse

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Question ... could one breed a Dragon and a Greater? They are both Dragons except one has a nastier attitude. If so, I would think you could then get a regular Dragon or a Greater or ... something somewhere in the middle that might be a tad more than a Dragon yet not quite as hefty as a Greater.

Could your plan allow for that?
 

Lady Michelle

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I'm not sure what the basis of this is, but I'll just assume that the thought is that this system is too easy, or will make really high end pets very common.

In answer to that I'll explain what would happen with two high end greater dragons.

You decide to breed two high end greater dragons. You only have a 20% chance that the breeding attempt will succeed, and on average you will find out whether the breeding attempt is successful or not 2 and a half weeks into the venture. A successful breeding attempt will take 5 weeks.

That means that on average it will take 15 weeks to successfully breed two dragons, during which time neither dragon can be used for anything. Once you've completed that you've got as much of a chance that the resulting newborn greater dragon will be a combination of all the weaknesses of the two parents as you will that it will be a combination of all the strengths.

And to top it off, you won't know how good your dragon is until you've trained it up fully. And unlike wild greater dragons that you tame, it won't start with magery fully trained, it will start with magery at 0. Anyone who has done any serious pet training knows how long it takes to train magery on a pet. Imagine training a greater dragon from 0 to 120+.

Not only that, but you have to have two good quality greater dragons in the first place that had to be farmed or bred by someone. This system is no "easy street" to anything. But I do think it is a fun system, which is the whole point.
Thank you for the better explanation, but these are the things I would change. It should not be done thru the stable system meaning you should not own both pets. You own the male GD, I own the female GD. I want to breed my female GD, and I want to breed it with your male GD. I would ask you, if you want to breed your male GD to my female GD, and offer you a price to do it because I will be the one ending up with the off spring. Then we would friend each other to each others GD.Then I would then have to target my GD to yours. If my GD refuses we both will see a message She refuses to breed with this male GD because its related to her, he has been bred to many times this week. If she does except both GDs automaticlly go in the stable, and can't be taken out of the stable for at least 24 hours or the next server up.
The baby needs to be the size of a goat, and it will grow a little bit at each server up that is only if you feed it, and train it. If you do not do both these things each day it will not grow. It will take 2 or 3 weeks to grow to the full size of a GD.
 

Lady Michelle

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Question ... could one breed a Dragon and a Greater? They are both Dragons except one has a nastier attitude. If so, I would think you could then get a regular Dragon or a Greater or ... something somewhere in the middle that might be a tad more than a Dragon yet not quite as hefty as a Greater.

Could your plan allow for that?
OH!!! or breed a WW with a red dragon, and you end up with an off spring that is Pink. :):)
 

Llewen

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Thank you for the better explanation, but these are the things I would change. It should not be done thru the stable system meaning you should not own both pets. You own the male GD, I own the female GD. I want to breed my female GD, and I want to breed it with your male GD. I would ask you, if you want to breed your male GD to my female GD, and offer you a price to do it because I will be the one ending up with the off spring. Then we would friend each other to each others GD.Then I would then have to target my GD to yours. If my GD refuses we both will see a message She refuses to breed with this male GD because its related to her, he has been bred to many times this week. If she does except both GDs automaticlly go in the stable, and can't be taken out of the stable for at least 24 hours or the next server up.
The baby needs to be the size of a goat, and it will grow a little bit at each server up that is only if you feed it, and train it. If you do not do both these things each day it will not grow. It will take 2 or 3 weeks to grow to the full size of a GD.
I appreciate your input and ideas. I did think about having pets that start small and grow, but that might be a lot of artwork to add (various growth stages for each possible pet), which was why I didn't go with that idea in the first place. I guess I assumed the breeding time would cover that, you just don't get to to see the pet grow.
 

BajaElladan

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I have six or seven Tamers, and I oppose this entire concept. Pets are already spawning just fine without any help from UO, er us.

I can just imagine one Legendary Tamer character creating 5 or 6 newbs and using soulstones to massively increase their stables. I can imagine many unintended consequences and potential bugs and exploits.

I applaud your trying to conceive improvements, but do not see this as one.

Respectfully,

Elladan of Baja
 

Llewen

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Mutant White GD Please!

:thumbup1:
Well there's an interesting thought. Maybe this could be a way of introducing different pet colours without going the pet dye route?
 

G.v.P

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Well that's easy enough, reptalons and skrees should be three slot pets. Firesteeds, I'm not sure about. I don't know enough about them to have a real good idea of how they could be "fixed". But I don't see why those issues should be a block to implementing a breeding system. Those would be relatively simple fixes, all it takes is the will to do them.
Reptalons being a three slot *might* fix them, but I wouldn't use a Skree if it was two slot, let alone a three. They're horrible. Firesteeds might not need to be made better since they are more of a prestige ride, hehe, I don't know.

You're right, everything else should suck too like greater dragons, dread mares and those new hippy dragons. They need to be brought down to the same level.
lol :) you can up them to make them sensible, don't have to make them uber ... just viable. I'd rather use two drakes than a rept, skree, or firesteed :/.

btw puni, I agree that you don't want them too uber ... haha a skree used to cast rising colossus :p but it would kill the skree lol ... so there was some balance there!
 
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[JD]

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This won't happen but I like the idea of pet breeding. Either to get certain skills or colors on a pet.

Actual implementation could vary of course.

I also agree, broken/useless pets need to be fixed: skree, reptalon, fire steed, etc.
 

puni666

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btw puni, I agree that you don't want them too uber ... haha a skree used to cast rising colossus :p but it would kill the skree lol ... so there was some balance there!
Lol that's hilarious! I wish I'd have seen it at least once!
 
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Zyon Rockler

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This is a great idea but imbuing seems better, I mean more fitting because it is already part of the lore and it's magic.

What bothers me about pet breeding is that there are no babies in the game. I'm not talking about successful or fun game play, i'm talking about a feeling of realism, being part of that lore and for breeding to work imo, it would have to offer you more control.

For example: If you have birds that are tameable and you have a female and a male bird, then you need the female bird to be able to become pregnant and lay eggs in her nest. You also need to add food so that she can go and get worms and feed her young.

Then you need the breeding system to actually do something for you. Like you mentioned color and strength. If you took one type of bird and mixed it with another type of species then you would get a new species that had different capabilities.

So, people would tame healthy male dragons and others would tame healthy female dragons, they would mate, the female dragon would become pregnant and then lay eggs, then those eggs would hatch into the breeded pets.

UO lacks all of this type of lore. There are no babies in UO, so you can't really breed them.

Another thing is, if you were going to take one type of breed of a bird and mix it with another, wouldn't you like to have some kind of ability added? Like one bird might have soaring attack and another bird might have diving attack. By breeding these 2 types together you would have both attacks and then you would be able to control your pet by using these attacks.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's a great idea but sometimes I feel like systems are added without any thought of realism or detail and I don't mean reality, I mean the reality or the lore of the game.

Right now we have a spawning system where things just pop up out of no where. With a breeding system you would expect to find a pregnant mare giving birth, while a male mare stands guard. So, I think this would need to be implemented for a system like this to make sense.
 

Alvinho

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i don't like a cookie cutter set up, i would rather be able to breed as a example a super dragon with a rune beetle that could cause a hybrid, with the possibility of having a super dragon that could use poisoning, or mixing a hell cat into the equation with the possibility of a pet with pack instincts. It would be nice to get some super dragons with guild members that gain pack instincts from one of the parents
 

Pfloyd

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i don't like a cookie cutter set up, i would rather be able to breed as a example a super dragon with a rune beetle that could cause a hybrid, with the possibility of having a super dragon that could use poisoning, or mixing a hell cat into the equation with the possibility of a pet with pack instincts. It would be nice to get some super dragons with guild members that gain pack instincts from one of the parents
Even if it were just minor monsters and animals it would be cool if done as well as the plant system.
 
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