my packy's dead and there's no tamer in sight

[UncleSham]

How many times have you been on and got your pet killed , you cant res it yourself , noones around and you wonder, how long exactly do i have to stand here waiting for a tamer to walk by?


heres what i propose.

we should add a line added to the stablemasters menu :

"resurect pet"

it should cost enough that poeple wont use it lazily , but yet not cost so much that a newbie couldnt afford it if he had no other choice.

im thinking somewhere around 500 gold.

it can be a serious pain if noones around to res your pet and you need to go tend to other matters .

 

[Samaira]

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it should cost enough that poeple wont use it lazily , but yet not cost so much that a newbie couldnt afford it if he had no other choice.

im thinking somewhere around 500 gold.

[/ QUOTE ]

500 gold? Try 5k, and even then I think its too cheap.

This is a very, very old argument. I forewarn you, while I understand your frustration, this won't go far :/

 

[Guest]

Even though I recently spent about 4 hours dragging a dead lesser hiryu around, I would have to disagree.
Think repair deeds.

 

[UncleSham]

well the issue of pets being stupid is even older and we got enough poeple to chime in and say "hey this isnt right".

perhapse if we get enough support here the devs may pay attention to this as well .(lets have a little love for the non tamer)

recently they've actually impressed me listening to our requests . man , ive actually gotten help from an in game gm recently .

could it be they are actually starting to care again ? (one can only hope .)

and really , how hard would this one be to impliment ?

(and no i dont think it needs to be super expensive . if poeple did use it alot there 's annother gold sink .

)

 

[UncleSham]

what ? repair deeds killed a viable market for crafters . this isnt the case as i never charge anyone to res a pet on my tamer.


or am i missing your point somewhere ?

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Speaking of repair deeds ... some may not get it ...still, your really really right on it.

Even though I recently spent about an hour, watching two immobile players, at a deserted gathering spot (dead time for the shard)
With my recently BR enlightened Fire Beetle (dead

)
I too, would have to disagree.

Logged another character on ...

played on ......

 

[Guest]

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500 gold? Try 5k, and even then I think its too cheap.

This is a very, very old argument. I forewarn you, while I understand your frustration, this won't go far :/

[/ QUOTE ]

If I saw 5K sitting on the ground, it wouldn't be enough gold for me to bother walking half a screen to pick it up. 5K is NOTHING to many people, and yet it is a large sum of money to a newbie. One problem with the OP suggestion is that even if we all agree that it's a WONDERFUL idea (fat chance of that...) we could never agree on a price.

Pet-rez-deeds are the way to go.

 

[Guest]

If, realistically, a newbie can do what I've done for years and simply buy a new pet, I don't see why a 5k res of a bonded pet is a real hardship.

It's a bonus that we can bond pets and get the advantages that brings, not something we should just shrug of like repair deeds. I enjoy interacting with players on my tamers, I don't want my tamer relegated like my crafters, so any pet res should cost extra to encourage players to interact with others.

I know I'll probably get flamed right over Britannia for wanting interaction with other players, but tough

Wenchy

 

[Guest]

BIG NO to this one. Getting your pet rezzed is one of the last things you actually need another player for. I understand that it can be hard to find a rez sometimes, but for the sake of community interaction, this MUST stay.

There are several ways to avoid running into this issue though...

1. Join a faction (ability to rez war horse with 0 skill).
2. Use an ethy/charger where possible.
3. Dont let your pet die.
4. Have a spare pet alive in stables as a backup so if you cant find a rez you can continue doing what your doing and get your first pet rezzed later.

 

[Connor_Graham]

"for the sake of community interaction, this MUST stay."

I would tend to agree if it wasn't for the fact that a great number of player's from the so called "community" didn't just walk on by another player standing there with a dead pet. A very large number of us have alts that are Tamers, yet most will ignore the player needing a pet rez if they happen to be on the character that isn't a Tamer, even though it's only a matter of a couple of minutes to swap over, do the rez, then switch back. I don't know how many times I've seen Tamers themselves walk on by someone with a dead pet, knowing full well Tamers are the only ones that can perform the rez, yet can't be bothered to take 20 seconds out of their day to help another player. Then you have shards with lower populations which just magnify these issues.

"Community" isn't what it used to be.


"There are several ways to avoid running into this issue though..."

1. Join a faction (ability to rez war horse with 0 skill).

Yep, and then you can't be healed or rezzed by any other player unless they happen to be in Factions themselves, and also doesn't help for those that use Swampy's, or in the case of crafters, Beetles.


2. Use an ethy/charger where possible.

This wouldn't help a crafter with a dead pet one bit if they happen to be out mining, lumberjacking, or whatever other resource gathering they were doing when their pet got killed.


3. Dont let your pet die.

Uh yeah, right.


4. Have a spare pet alive in stables as a backup so if you cant find a rez you can continue doing what your doing and get your first pet rezzed later.

While this would help, it still doesn't solve the problem I outlined in the paragraph above, just postpones it.


To the OP-

Try checking the Twisted Weald and Destard next time you have troubles finding a rez. There's usually at least 1 Tamer around, at least on the more populated shards.

 

[Babble]

On europa skara often has a tamer about, else asking people if they can help should work too.
Always got time to ress a crafters animal

 

[Belmarduk]

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Even though I recently spent about 4 hours dragging a dead lesser hiryu around, I would have to disagree.
Think repair deeds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly the issue - also on the otherhand it would be a goldsink - I would say atleast 10k for a npc-petress

 

[Samaira]

I have to admit, there are a few of us tamers around who either spend more of their time AFK than active, but far, FAR more often I have attempted to res someone's swampy/horse/packy/turkey only to find that they themselves are unattended. Call me stupid, but this annoys me. You want to get your pets ressed or not, guys?

/small rant

 

[Justy]

Personally I think a pet command "flee" would solve most of this nonsense. I appreciate all the times my packy charged an ogre to give me time to react, but honestly it's not a necessary sacrifice. This bit of addition to the AI would work wonders. If a hostile targets the creature it immediately runs. This option would be a tremendous help to me at least.

 

[WarUltima]

I think they could make it work like this...
Player rez pet, the pet will lose 0.1 point of skill.
NPC pet rez will charge a fee and the pet will lose 1 point in each of their skills.

 

[Guest]

Forced interaction = Bad.

 

[Guest]

Think it's hard getting a pet rez on a blue? Try doing so while on a red, it's impossible. (It's also damn near impossible to get a rez for myself...why are there so many blue healers in fel?). I gave up using a pet on my red and just expect to die now when dismounted. I tried using a faction horse but you must have a rank of 2 or higher...which is impossible since nobody else plays factions.

I know, you could say, "join a guild" or make a tamer friend, and that would help, but I absolutly don't want to put any of my chars in a guild, and I wouldn't make a friend based on how useful they are to me :/

 

[DrDolittle]

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500 gold? Try 5k, and even then I think its too cheap.

[/ QUOTE ]I never charge to rez a pet and don‘t even wait to be asked; if I see a dead pet I‘m all over it with the bandages. After all, I am Dr Dolittle Legendary Veterinarian.

While it really nice to be needed and appreciated once in a while I am open to the possibility of allowing the NPC stable masters rez anyone-can-own pets. There would need to be a few checks and balances to encourage the master of a dead pet to seek out another player before heading for the NPC.

I don’t think that NPCs should be able to rez all pets though; that would only encourage some tamers to drop the veterinary skill from their templates. I don’t care that some tamers choose to work without veterinary, but there should be a downside to that choice and not being able to rez your own pet is the downside.

 

[the 4th man]

I agree with Connor, the community these days reflects real life.

My tamer for one will always offer a rez. And, when my miners critter croaks, I have to go to west britain bank and almost beg for a rez. That's not right.

But, the idea of a repair deed type thing, not good, it's just opening a can o worms for the pvp's.

 

[Sir Morder]

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How many times have you been on and got your pet killed , you cant res it yourself , noones around and you wonder, how long exactly do i have to stand here waiting for a tamer to walk by?


heres what i propose.

we should add a line added to the stablemasters menu :

"resurect pet"

it should cost enough that poeple wont use it lazily , but yet not cost so much that a newbie couldnt afford it if he had no other choice.

im thinking somewhere around 500 gold.

it can be a serious pain if noones around to res your pet and you need to go tend to other matters .

[/ QUOTE ]

This will never happen because as we've all seen for the past, what, three weeks now, everyone that isn't a tamer complains about tamers. All this will start is new complaining about how a tamer has a potential extra 120 skill pts that is not needed anymore (dropping vet skill). As if there hasn't been enough complaining about this game as it is.

 

[Guest]

This is a dead issue. They have already stated that they aren't going to have npc pet rez because UO Japan doesn't want it. No need to waste your time talking about it.

 

[Sir Morder]

LOL

 

[Millie]

I think a playes should have every right to get his pet Rezed with out having to hunt up a tamer. I have one account and my tamer is on that account also and so I have to beg sometimes for hours to get my pet rezed. A npc to rez working pets would be nice, even if its 5k. A repair deed would be great, that can only be used in a stable or The Vet in Brit. The pets that should be limited to working pets and fluffy pets. Packies, bugs , horses, cats dogs etc. Most pets used in pvp require a tamer to control them. So can be Rezed by their owners. If the owner does not have The Vet skill , then they deserve to have to go look for some one else to Rez. their pet. The only problem I see with this is the hyroo. Since I'm not sure if it requires taming to control it, but Honestly is a fighting pet and not a working pet. You have to have a fighting skill of busho to be able to ride it if You are not a Tamer.

 

[Guest]

I suggested long ago that they should make the pet trainer in Brit the one and only NPC pet rez station.... then it would be both in Fel and in Tram.... and you wouldn't have the problem I always had..... I am in a warring guild NOT a faction at all.... and sometimes NO one could rez my pet unless it was in Fel..... very annoying... I would go to brit tram and no one there would be able to rez my pet.. Course this brings me to the old issue in another thread about transfering, and guilding your own pets and characters... I now just log into another instance of windows and rez my own pet..... But then you actually have to have a tamer character... but anymore you can buy the token for that... and be close to pet rezing only needing to add a few jewels. *sighs*

But I have to agree this is the last thing you REALLY do need to go to the community for.... I myself now would hate to see that destroyed as well.... was bad enough with the Repair deeds..... and to be honest..... I think they should redo that entire system so that a Smith/Tailor can do the repairs from some special bag at a smith/tailor shop...... and only the person who placed the items in the bag can remove the items from that pouch but a smith or tailor can repair or enhance the items placed in it... The person placing the items perhaps should get a gump that says "Who would you intrust to rework these items for you?" And the person would then target the smith he/she wanted and then the smith would get a gump saying "Joe Somebody has requested your services." And then the targeted crafter would be able to click yes or no to repair/enhance the items for the person... And I think this should be a special addition put into each towns blacksmith and tailor shop throught the lands ..... OR it should be something that could be a Vet reward item that can be placed in ones own HOME...... though that's a tad more on the dangerous side.... I for one would love to go to the Brit smthy again and find 5 or 10 crafters standing about working their skills for the public again.

 

[Millie]

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This is a dead issue. They have already stated that they aren't going to have npc pet rez because UO Japan doesn't want it. No need to waste your time talking about it.



[/ QUOTE ]

There are More than one group of people that play this game and letting one group decide what goes in the game would be more or less stupid of Ea. If this is a true statement then just don't give the option to the Japan shards, problem fixed.

 

[Guest]

Why is there a Vet in Brit that is open 24/7 and does nothing??

 

[Sir Morder]

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I think a playes should have every right to get his pet Rezed with out having to hunt up a tamer. I have one account and my tamer is on that account also and so I have to beg sometimes for hours to get my pet rezed. A npc to rez working pets would be nice, even if its 5k. A repair deed would be great, that can only be used in a stable or The Vet in Brit. The pets that should be limited to working pets and fluffy pets. Packies, bugs , horses, cats dogs etc. Most pets used in pvp require a tamer to control them. So can be Rezed by their owners. If the owner does not have The Vet skill , then they deserve to have to go look for some one else to Rez. their pet. The only problem I see with this is the hyroo. Since I'm not sure if it requires taming to control it, but Honestly is a fighting pet and not a working pet. You have to have a fighting skill of busho to be able to ride it if You are not a Tamer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good point. Or instead of a healer perhaps a shrine or a location to res working pets only.

 

[Guest]

Every now and then, dead issues get reopened. It is a bit frustrating at times that my vet can't help his housemates. Sad as it is to say, I have to admit that rather than wander the banks pestering people for help or forging bonds with players so that I could ping them for aid, I trained up a vet on a second account.

I'm curious to hear stories of how tamers have managed to help build community. Are there shards out there where vets have created a tradition of hanging out at a certain place at a certain time of day just to do public service pet resurrection? If I ever see a forlorn person standing at a bank with the ghost of a pet, I always drop everything and get my tamer, but I can't say I've ever used this to actually get to know the player any better nor could I be counted on to wander by any particular location on any regular schedule.

 

[Llewen]

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While it really nice to be needed and appreciated once in a while I am open to the possibility of allowing the NPC stable masters rez anyone-can-own pets. There would need to be a few checks and balances to encourage the master of a dead pet to seek out another player before heading for the NPC.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm all for pet rez deeds that can rez anyone-can-own pets, and lesser hiryus. Tamer uses a bandage, targets a scroll, if successful a pet resurrection deed is created, and it can only be used in the presence of a stable master. I think this is a terrific idea.

 

[Samaira]

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<blockquote><hr>

500 gold? Try 5k, and even then I think its too cheap.

[/ QUOTE ]I never charge to rez a pet and don‘t even wait to be asked; if I see a dead pet I‘m all over it with the bandages.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just thought I'd chuck it out there, as more than one person has quoted this part of my post... I never charge for pet a rez. I think anyone who does is a little... mmmm nevermind. I'm the same as you, Dr D. - in fact, I've been known to race fellow tamers to somebody's dead mount... heh. For the record, I was referring to the OP's suggestion of a charge for an NPC pet rez.

I'll grant the OP (and supporters of ideas like his), it sucks botty having to scour the lands for a pet rez. I work nights, and that means I most often play when my shard is quiet (and its Oce, its pretty much ALWAYS quiet). If any idea along these lines was ever to go forward, I'd probably only support a single-location Vet, for ornery pets only, and with a fee of some sort. Any tamer worth their salt is going to be more than happy to perform the service for no more than a please and thank you.

 

[Guest]

<blockquote><hr>

Forced interaction = Bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't want interaction? Buy a new pet at the stables. Problem solved

Nobody is forced if it's simply a matter of paying 5k for a pet res if you want to keep a bonded pet. They're simply encouraged to seek out a tamer, then if one isn't around they can get a res.

Wenchy

 

[imported_revenant2]

Imo stablemasters should be able to rez any pet that a non-tamer can own and ride (horses, dogs, cats, blue beetles, fire beetles, and so on) for a small fee, much smaller than buying the same animal, if it is sold on the stablemaster.

The pets that require the taming skill or Bushido to own could continue to work as they do now.

 

[UncleSham]

good morning y'all

good to see this is geting some discussion .
to reply to the last post . no i dont want to just buy a new pet . ive spent considerable time training most of my blue beetles to the point where they can fight a little . buying a new one is not what i want. id rather wait thank you .

to the rest , whats is all this about "forced" interaction? this game isnt as "massively" played as it used to be . in fact some shards its damn near impossable to find help especially the hours some of us play.

i am a tamer and i have many tamer friends . still there are times when im on one of my other characters and there is simply noone around.

and yes that comment about racing other tamers to a dead pet made me chuckle .
(hey i want the vet gain ... hurry hurry . lol)

trouble is those memories are quite old and i dont really see so many racing me to a ghoste anymore , in fact more often its me standing there going ok ... wtf . do you want a res or not? ... hello ... anyone there ?

(poor guy probly sat there so long hes fallen asleep)

i do not agree about pet res deeds . that would give poeple annother reason to drop vet .(unless they ONLY worked at a stable and then you might as well go back to my original idea)

i do not think it has to be dificult to find or expensive to use . im trying to consider the needs of newer players here . they are especially vulnerable to this as they usally dont have an icq list 3 pages long.

like i said . leave it relatively cheap and if poeple use it alot great . gold sink it is.

thats why i think it should be on all stable masters ,especially in fel bucs den , we must consider the needs of our red friends (hey , some of them went red for noble reasons)

and as far as common pets go , sure lets make it for common pets only (with the exception being lesser hiryus) if you are tamer enough to have a big pet , be tamer enough to res it.

one final thought . one of the things i love about uo is its versatility . you can play the poeple person if you want . you can play the loner if you want .

some dont feel comfortable in a crowd , and thats fine . noone should be forced to interact. and dont tell poeple to go play solitare . they pay their monthly fees , let them play how they please. (so long as they dont bother you why would you care?)

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

well ...

... in the meantime ....

You could squeeze in these
a minimum of 80.0 skill points in Animal Lore and Veterinary to be able to resurrect a bonded pet.

BEFORE getting a game wide change implemented ...

You could ... just saying ...

 

[Guest]

I think all of us that use a real pet instead of an ethy mount have been in this delima at one time or another. There are 2 things that might be able to fix this:

One: is to be able to purchase a rez scroll from an NPC animal trainer for 50k(gold sink).
Two: allow a tamer from the same account to rez dead pets attached to a different character on the same account. The gump demanding that the pet owner permit the resurrection would not be needed for your own characters just others not of your account.

 

[Guest]

This is not like repair deeds 'ruining' crafters at all. Now a days without deeds, no one would trust anyone to repair anything. And deeds cost gold. Whose ever been charged for a pet rez?

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Different skills ... likely same result ...

"They could" fix the trust "issue" ... repairs and enhancements "in trade window"
Now ... to "make it worthwhile" to change the "acquired habit" of buying a deed and doing it yourself

would need to make it worth the time to bother to bring a smith back to the forges (availability of smiths)

make the deeds less "one shot" effective ... in trade window "more so" ...
probably need to address PoF at the same time (self administered / legendary smith)
*shrugs*

No need for tamer/vets to go down that path ...
As above ... pretty hard to "get back" to square one ... IF you happen to be wrong ...

just saying ... you COULD be wrong, about that
"This is not like repair deeds 'ruining' crafters at all."
You've made no allowances for a "recovery" ... IF your wrong ...

and theres a pretty strong logic that points to you BEING wrong.

"Sides ... as above ... There IS an "independent" action available to you'se:
<blockquote><hr>

well ...

... in the meantime ....

You could squeeze in these
a minimum of 80.0 skill points in Animal Lore and Veterinary to be able to resurrect a bonded pet.

BEFORE getting a game wide change implemented ...

You could ... just saying ...

[/ QUOTE ]

 

[Connor_Graham]

"available to you'se"

This little twist gave me a chuckle.

 

[Guest]

RTL etc etc

You could always release it and buy another one from the NPC there.
I mean whatever did people do before they were able to res pets! OMG the pets were like gone forever... Well that's enough to just make me want to stomp my foot and get red-faced and and and grumble!

 

[Fluffi]

RTL


Would I be correct in thinking that all those against a single NPC pet-resser never use the services of a NPC healer when they die?

After all, if you die in a dungeon, all you have to do is ghost-run to WBB or Luna and have some of that wonderful player-interaction that you're so keen on animal owners having.

I'd hate to think that there are hypocrites in UO.

As long as player characters are able to be ressed by a multitude of NPCs, I fail to see why anyone could object to non-tamer pets being ressable by a single, static NPC.

 

[Guest]

For the same reason you can't walk upto an NPC blacksmith and have all of your armor repaired or a NPC fletcher to have your bows repaired.

 

[Llewen]

...and we wouldn't want Lady Flutter to stomp her foot and get red-faced and and and grumble!

 

[Al Thorin]

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Think it's hard getting a pet rez on a blue? Try doing so while on a red, it's impossible.

[/ QUOTE ]
I can't remeber which guild we were fighting one night, but about 20 min after everyone dispersed, a small swarm of them showed up at our GH with dead pets.
I ressed em though

I probably killed most of them.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

hypocrite
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

News Flash ... there are hypocrites in UO ... and by definition (1) All ingame characters are in the "suspect group"
(see avatar #4)

As for #2 on the boards here ... nothing hypocritical about wanting the game to remain as is .... re: vet rezzing ...
HAVING the ability to rez a pet, without the skills ... and then denying it to others ...THAT would be hypocritical.

As above ... the "ability" IS available ... question of template design choice ... NOT a question of: npc vets/rez deeds, BEING the only available option to rez a pet ...

 

[Fluffi]

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here...

... you have no issue with pet-res deeds?

or

... you object to pet-res NPCs', and have never used the services of a NPC healer?



(Sorry if I'm being a bit dim

)

 

[Guest]

There's a huge difference between ressing NPCs and ressing PCs anyway.

 

[Guest]

<blockquote><hr>

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here...

... you have no issue with pet-res deeds?

or

... you object to pet-res NPCs', and have never used the services of a NPC healer?



(Sorry if I'm being a bit dim

)

[/ QUOTE ]Apples and Oranges.

 

[Fluffi]

I'll try to be a little less florid than you *big grin*:


<blockquote><hr>



As above ... the "ability" IS available ... question of template design choice ... NOT a question of: npc vets/rez deeds, BEING the only available option to rez a pet ...

[/ QUOTE ]


You mean like NPC healers not being the only available option for ressing player characters?
You're correct: self-ressurection can be achieved if the correct template is chosen, so we don't need all those untidy NPC healers cluttering-up the place.

 

[Fluffi]

Putting aside all thoughts of fruit, and returning to your post concerning NPCs not repairing your armour:

How would you repair a valuable piece of armour?

1) Use a repair deed? - If so, why can't we have "repair deeds" for non-tamer pets?
2) Drop the kit in a chest in your house, log in with the tailor, repair it, then put it back in the chest? - I guess that's what most people would do - so, let me do that with my dead squirrel.
3) Run to the bank and hope that there is a tailor hanging around to do the repair for you? - (issues of trusting a random crafter aside, I very much doubt that anyone would choose this option.)


What were the objections to either res-deeds or an NPC?

 

[Guest]

Not very fond of "repair deeds" either.
How about we just make pets die again?