Murder counts ..

[Serine]

I think it would be great if there was a option to loose murder counts fast if wanted , For me for example i have a PK that i havent used for years and it has around 50 long turn murder counts . The character has great skills and used + 25statt skill etc .

I guess one way would be to have an option letting murder counts decay even when not online . In the context menu for example .

Just a thought ...

 

[Viper09]

I remember the devs mentioning they were looking into a way for players to lose counts in other ways aside from "burning" them off. Not sure if it was one of the FoF's or not...

 

[FrejaSP]

They did make a way

All you need, unless you are on Siege is:

A emty char slot
A soulstone
Powerscrolls = the skills you have above 100

Now make a new char
Eat the powerscroll
use the soulstone to move skills to new char.
Now you are blue with 0 counts


If on Siege or if you do not have a emty char slot, you need:
6 -7 soulstone
Powerscrolls = the skills you have above 100
Move all skills to soulstones
Emty bank, place everything in your house
Delete char
Make new char
Eat the powerscroll
Move skills from soulstones to char
Now you are blue with 0 counts

 

[T'Challa]

Freja nailed it.

*edit* except ya gotta do stats.

That got to be a pain for awhile, not sure how it is now.

 

[Serine]

They did make a way

All you need, unless you are on Siege is:

A emty char slot
A soulstone
Powerscrolls = the skills you have above 100

Now make a new char
Eat the powerscroll
use the soulstone to move skills to new char.
Now you are blue with 0 counts


If on Siege or if you do not have a emty char slot, you need:
6 -7 soulstone
Powerscrolls = the skills you have above 100
Move all skills to soulstones
Emty bank, place everything in your house
Delete char
Make new char
Eat the powerscroll
Move skills from soulstones to char
Now you are blue with 0 counts

Ya ofc that way is possible . But would be nice to have an other option . I know it only takes about a week to build a new char .

 

[Old Man of UO]

Ya ofc that way is possible . But would be nice to have an other option . I know it only takes about a week to build a new char .

I agree with Freja, and think that should be the only way. You didn't "accidentally" get 50 murder counts, so why should you be easily forgiven for those that you knew the consequences? It's not like all of a sudden we have new DNA evidence to exonerate your red character.

 

[Serine]

I agree with Freja, and think that should be the only way. You didn't "accidentally" get 50 murder counts, so why should you be easily forgiven for those that you knew the consequences? It's not like all of a sudden we have new DNA evidence to exonerate your red character.

It was just a thought . I Just think spending around 2400 hours online doing nothing do to old crimes is a bit harch hehe .

 

[Old Man of UO]

It was just a thought . I Just think spending around 2400 hours online doing nothing do to old crimes is a bit harch hehe .

LOL... I'd call that "hard time."

 

[FrejaSP]

Red is a beautiful color, I love my red aura
But I do have more freedom as you as I play Siege Perilous, I can go everywhere I want.

 

[o2bavr6]

They had the faction reprieve where if you were red and joined factions you turned blue.

but you were only able to do this once.

I dont think its still implemented, but not sure.

 

[onthefifty]

as is true in life there are consequences for your actions.

I don't see any need to make a change here.

 

[Tazar]

I'll agree with Freja that it's an option for Siege, but NOT for everyone on production shards.

Why? Because every character on Siege gets the option to personal bless an item. On Production shards, creating a new character means losing use of the PBD forever!

 

[Old Man of UO]

I'll agree with Freja that it's an option for Siege, but NOT for everyone on production shards.

Why? Because every character on Siege gets the option to personal bless an item. On Production shards, creating a new character means losing use of the PBD forever!

I have no personal bless deed for any of my characters, since I let my accounts lapse for a short period of time when they were offered. So what if you have a character without a PBD? It's certainly not a deal breaker for me. And as someone else pointed out, there are and should be consequences for your actions.

 

[Astrel]

Better to do as advised, transfer the skills to SSs and then make a new char. Stats are no big deal, if you use the skills that build them, up to around 30 then wash away with a SS and repeat, you can do a char in a couple of hrs.

 

[Tom_Builder]

I agree with Freja, and think that should be the only way. You didn't "accidentally" get 50 murder counts, so why should you be easily forgiven for those that you knew the consequences? It's not like all of a sudden we have new DNA evidence to exonerate your red character.

It is true that we didnt get them by mistake, but if you look at my Sonja, I havent really played her since right after AoS, now I could delete her and start a new char. But I have had her since 1999 and and shes has eaten so many 120's that I would really hate to get rid of her. With her 800 counts from preAoS it would take a lifetime to burn them off. To me Pvp isnt the same now as before AoS, I have tried to keep up with all the new skills and gimp templates out there, by adding more and more powerscrolls. But it's just not as fun to me now. So she sits there unplayed for a few years now. Oh well someday I will delete her and move on. Just not today.

Tom

 

[Tazar]

I have no personal bless deed for any of my characters, since I let my accounts lapse for a short period of time when they were offered. So what if you have a character without a PBD? It's certainly not a deal breaker for me. And as someone else pointed out, there are and should be consequences for your actions.

Sure, some people did not get them, but I'd hate to see someone with one jump on the bandwagon without that warning.

 

[Serine]

Sure, some people did not get them, but I'd hate to see someone with one jump on the bandwagon without that warning.

Just checked my PK . And i do have personal Bless deed . So def not going to Delete that char ,,

 

[Gellor]

I'd have to agree with the general sentiment of:
You didn't accidentally get a ton of murder counts.

In general, there was only one murder count bust WAY back in the day and they did offer a reprieve for that... think it was related to tinkering but won't swear on that.

While I think the current burn off system is complete BS, I do think there needs to be a penalty for murder counts.

As mentioned in the million other numerous threads of this, the system I would love to see is a once a day murder count quest that takes roughly an hour that is NOT macroable. Basically, you get to waste one hour a day of your playing time to get rid of an account.

 

[Nine Dark Moons]

some of us bought accounts and inherited red chars with hundreds of long term counts. the account i bought has a red with over 600 long term counts. i don't want to delete her and ss her skills because she's she's eaten a 120 magery scroll and has a PBD - i would love to see some sort of reprieve. i am not complaining - i bought the account knowing it had this character on it. but i don't enjoy trying to burn off counts for murders i inherited and did not commit. it would take me over 3 years of being logged in 24/7 to burn off those counts. i had hoped that by going through ea's official account transfer process it would wipe the murder counts, but it didn't. so i vote yes for a murder count reprieve.

 

[Tazar]

some of us bought accounts and inherited red chars with hundreds of long term counts. the account i bought has a red with over 600 long term counts. i don't want to delete her and ss her skills because she's she's eaten a 120 magery scroll and has a PBD - i would love to see some sort of reprieve. i am not complaining - i bought the account knowing it had this character on it. but i don't enjoy trying to burn off counts for murders i inherited and did not commit. it would take me over 3 years of being logged in 24/7 to burn off those counts. i had hoped that by going through ea's official account transfer process it would wipe the murder counts, but it didn't. so i vote yes for a murder count reprieve.

*Wonders how many decades it would take to burn off Krystal's counts from Siege* rofl

 

[QueenZen]

*Wonders how many decades it would take to burn off Krystal's counts from Siege* rofl

LOL She would NEVER do that ! But if she ever did, probably 50 yrs rl or so to burn off all her counts !

Personally I wish they let us GM Carpenters be able to make hangin gallows.

That way a murderer could volunteer to become *executed* on our spiffy gm carpentered gallows and maybe burn off a count that way, and us lil carpenters would get no count for executing *Justice* !

Well it be way more fun to have some comic system of Justice to help folks burn off counts by killin em execution style on gm carpentered hangin gallows.

 

[Old Man of UO]

... Basically, you get to waste one hour a day of your playing time to get rid of an account.

Soo... the account would just DISAPPEAR? I suppose that's one way to get rid of the murder counts!

 

[legendsguy]

you do the crime, you do the time

 

[Black Sun]

LOL She would NEVER do that ! But if she ever did, probably 50 yrs rl or so to burn off all her counts !

Personally I wish they let us GM Carpenters be able to make hangin gallows.

That way a murderer could volunteer to become *executed* on our spiffy gm carpentered gallows and maybe burn off a count that way, and us lil carpenters would get no count for executing *Justice* !

Well it be way more fun to have some comic system of Justice to help folks burn off counts by killin em execution style on gm carpentered hangin gallows.

Personally I don't have a red, but this is a cool idea. Maybe Make it block that character from being used for 24 RL hours while they hang.

 

[Tazar]

Personally I don't have a red, but this is a cool idea. Maybe Make it block that character from being used for 24 RL hours while they hang.

24 hours per kill? That's worse than burning a count isn't it?

 

[Black Sun]

24 hours per kill? That's worse than burning a count isn't it?

No, its 40 hours unless they changed it. But it only freezes the one character, you'd be free to log on other characters on that account (obviously not on siege) and still play.

 

[jtw1984]

Out of my 6 characters 4 are reds with 50+ murder counts on each one.

The only two blues are my champ spawn archer and my mule.

Still deciding on whether or not to take my mule red

 

[Black Sun]

Still deciding on whether or not to take my mule red

How would you go about that? Bludgeon someone to death with a smoothing plane?

 

[Jhym]

*shrug*

Depends on how unplayable the red is -- if you were wanting desperately to take him/her into trammel to do some monster hunting then I guess you're out of luck. Otherwise, there's always Felucca dungeons and associated stuff. I thought you all could go into the peerless on the Felucca side, and there's the pvp boss spawns in the Abyss.

I wouldn't mind if the devs implemented a reprieve system, as long as it hurt to do it. For example, you can renounce your murderous ways but all your skills and stats are halved and it costs you 500K. Perhaps one britannian day in the Yew or Trinsic jails (two hours) so people could throw wet noodles at you, though I don't particularly care for public humiliation as an "atonement" tool.

That way you would have a bit of pain in the process but still a viable character after you get them back to where you want them. If you had good friends they'd even help you out.

 

[Gellor]

Soo... the account would just DISAPPEAR? I suppose that's one way to get rid of the murder counts!

Well, some reds I know probably SHOULD lose their accounts

As for the "but I bought an account with a red with 800000000 murder counts", you probably knew it when you bought it. So suffer. I was given an account and yup... one of the chars was red with about 500 counts, PBD, 120 mage and eval.

I also don't buy into the "but I went red defending a spawn" argument either. If you want a private spawn, be prepared to defend it. Spawns weren't meant to be private items.

Although, maybe make the transfer service EA offers(offered???) should clean a char... not sure how much I like that idea though.

And yes, I do play red chars. I've got two account with one perma red on several shards

 

[Tazar]

Seems like clearing characters murder counts with the account transfer system would have players transferring the account from their right hand to their left hand to abuse the system...

 

[QueenZen]

LOL She would NEVER do that ! But if she ever did, probably 50 yrs rl or so to burn off all her counts !

Personally I wish they let us GM Carpenters be able to make hangin gallows.

That way a murderer could volunteer to become *executed* on our spiffy gm carpentered gallows and maybe burn off a count that way, and us lil carpenters would get no count for executing *Justice* !

Well it be way more fun to have some comic system of Justice to help folks burn off counts by killin em execution style on gm carpentered hangin gallows.

Personally I don't have a red, but this is a cool idea. Maybe Make it block that character from being used for 24 RL hours while they hang.

Well that be too long to not be able to use their chr. but maybe only allow em one *execution* on the hangin gallows per day. The trainning dummie minus the dummie, plus a tiny step up could easily be redone to be a gallows. That way there is some *old west justice* with a public hanging, the murderer gets one count taken off *yes might even add to roleplaying* and give us lil gm carpenters sporting a black cloth ninja hood something extra to get to do...gm carpenter HANGMAN ! haha Yes my carpenter is blue on Siege...just saying if they added it to all shards be just fun roleplay and help some get rid of some of their counts..but only be permitted one *execution* of them per day. Can't make their counts, go away.. too fast !

 

[Old Man of UO]

I could buy into a one-time reprieve if the consequences were severe enough to justify the 800 murder counts. Such as:

1. You keep your character, possessions, and skill caps, but you loose all your skills and stats, bringing up a new character gump to add beginning skills and stats.

2. If you used the precious one-time murder count reprieve, you can not use a second one on that character. Sorry, but you went red twice!

3. You can't use soul stones for 6 months (I did say severe consequences)... maybe longer.

4. If that character turns red again, it goes *poof* (did I mention severe consequences?)

Would you choose to take the reprieve if the consequences were that severe?

 

[Ender]

I could buy into a one-time reprieve if the consequences were severe enough to justify the 800 murder counts. Such as:

1. You keep your character, possessions, and skill caps, but you loose all your skills and stats, bringing up a new character gump to add beginning skills and stats.

2. If you used the precious one-time murder count reprieve, you can not use a second one on that character. Sorry, but you went red twice!

3. You can't use soul stones for 6 months (I did say severe consequences)... maybe longer.

4. If that character turns red again, it goes *poof* (did I mention severe consequences?)

Would you choose to take the reprieve if the consequences were that severe?

Those are pretty horrible ideas tbh.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Those are pretty horrible ideas tbh.

That was the idea!

What? You wanted it easy?

"I'm sorry. I used to be a mass murderer, but now my meds are working just fine and the anger management is helping so much! I really am a changed person and didn't really mean to kill all those miners. I just want to be blue again! So please forgive me?"

 

[Ender]

More like "PvP in this game is nothing like it used to be, I am no longer interested in it and my character can't do anything now" <_<

 

[Black Sun]

Well that be too long to not be able to use their chr. but maybe only allow em one *execution* on the hangin gallows per day. The trainning dummie minus the dummie, plus a tiny step up could easily be redone to be a gallows. That way there is some *old west justice* with a public hanging, the murderer gets one count taken off *yes might even add to roleplaying* and give us lil gm carpenters sporting a black cloth ninja hood something extra to get to do...gm carpenter HANGMAN ! haha Yes my carpenter is blue on Siege...just saying if they added it to all shards be just fun roleplay and help some get rid of some of their counts..but only be permitted one *execution* of them per day. Can't make their counts, go away.. too fast !

On siege yes. But prodo shards, one day isn't too bad when you have 4-6 other characters to use.

 

[Xenobia]

I agree with Freja, and think that should be the only way. You didn't "accidentally" get 50 murder counts, so why should you be easily forgiven for those that you knew the consequences? It's not like all of a sudden we have new DNA evidence to exonerate your red character.

LMAO! That was great! DNA has not yet made it into the pixelated world and those murder counts should not be an easy thing to get rid of. That DNA thing actually made me laugh. Thanks Old Man, it has been a long day and I needed that

 

[Xenobia]

Maybe once every year or two EA could make reds go through some sort of process (even a public hanging as someone else mentioned) and wipe the murder counts. There are those people who "inherited" red characters and there may be others who have seen the light and no longer wish to kill others? Or maybe just offer it one time, period. Let those who no longer want to kill people get rid of the counts and call it good. If they turn red again, no chance EVER to get rid of the counts except the normal route they have to go through now.

 

[Sarsmi]

Kind of on topic, is it legal to be unattended and leave your character in game to burn counts?

I'm pretty sure if I tried to do this they'd log out after 15 minutes of inactivity, but at least that would be 15 more minutes of getting this char closer to blue.

So, legal or not so much?

 

[Xenobia]

Kind of on topic, is it legal to be unattended and leave your character in game to burn counts?

I'm pretty sure if I tried to do this they'd log out after 15 minutes of inactivity, but at least that would be 15 more minutes of getting this char closer to blue.

So, legal or not so much?

It's legal to log in and leave your character. It is not legal to log in, set a macro for him to walk all over your house or use the hiding skill or whatever people do to get those counts off and walk away. As long as you are just standing there and not using a skill, you do not have to be sitting at your computer.

 

[Gellor]

I could buy into a one-time reprieve if the consequences were severe enough to justify the 800 murder counts. Such as:

1. You keep your character, possessions, and skill caps, but you loose all your skills and stats, bringing up a new character gump to add beginning skills and stats.

Unfortunately, the first point is trivial. Most people have training skills down to an art rolleyes

As I mentioned, I don't like the current leave your char at luna 24/7 unattended system to get rid of murder counts. And would love to see something interactive to "burn" counts. But I would like to see it be something once a day.

Also, on any shard by Siege, you still have at LEAST 4 other chars you can play. So being a red means nothing.

 

[Taylor]

I'll offer another vote for allowing them to burn while offline. Still a great consequence to rack up murder counts, but cuts down on bank sitting.

 

[KalVasTENKI]

Out of my 6 characters 4 are reds with 50+ murder counts on each one.

The only two blues are my champ spawn archer and my mule.

Still deciding on whether or not to take my mule red

Sew their eye lids shut!! Bludgeon them with val runic hammers!! LOL

 

[Xenobia]

Out of my 6 characters 4 are reds with 50+ murder counts on each one.

The only two blues are my champ spawn archer and my mule.

Still deciding on whether or not to take my mule red

You gonna sic your beetle on folks or beat them over the head with a frying pan? How the hell you plan on doing this? lol

 

[jtw1984]

Easy! Get my friend to log on one of his blues, strip him completely naked, and then spam lightning from magery on him!

I suppose if I wanted to be hardcore I could soulstone swords/tactics on him. lol

 

[G.v.P]

It's legal to log in and leave your character. It is not legal to log in, set a macro for him to walk all over your house or use the hiding skill or whatever people do to get those counts off and walk away. As long as you are just standing there and not using a skill, you do not have to be sitting at your computer.

Open to interpretation, hehe:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cf...&p_accessibility=&p_page=&p_lva=347&nextlink=

 

[Black Sun]

It's legal to log in and leave your character. It is not legal to log in, set a macro for him to walk all over your house or use the hiding skill or whatever people do to get those counts off and walk away. As long as you are just standing there and not using a skill, you do not have to be sitting at your computer.

Open to interpretation, hehe:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cf...&p_accessibility=&p_page=&p_lva=347&nextlink=

Leaving a character logged in unattended is fine provided you're not doing something to keep yourself logged in. Otherwise the inactivity timer kicks in and boots you. The only way to overcome this timer is to have something going on to keep you logged in. That's what gets you in trouble.

 

[RichDC]

Open to interpretation, hehe:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cf...&p_accessibility=&p_page=&p_lva=347&nextlink=

Standing at luna alive, or at yew gate dead, being kept online by other players actions is not leaving a player active.

You are inactive at this point, others activity is keeping your activity timer inactive. This is legal, has been stated many times its fine as well.

Now, doing an activity, walking/talking/meditating/re-hiding, keeping you active,while you are inactive is illegal and is bannable.