Moderators for the global Chat system

[Jirel of Joiry]

Would you agree to such a thing?

Perhaps volunteer moderators with previous chat moderator expirence?

I myself would be happy to volunteer for Legends as I was a moderator for a mirc chat room back inthe day(97-98).

I also think the addition of a intershard chat room for moderators only would be a good idea; this would allow Mods to shard info on particularly troublesome people.

This would prevent someone who's constantly banned from chat on one shard from jumping to another shard and starting the same stuff.

I got this idea from mirc chat where they have/had a mods only chat room where mods could talk to each other about "Room trolls and troublemakers" that were jumping from room to room causing havoc.

These are just some ideas that I thought *might* improve the global chat system. I know there have been alot of complaints about unacceptable behavior these ideas might be a good way to get ahold on the problem.

 

[Aran]

Go outside.

 

[Mapper]

Go outside.

Writing in your diary again? *tuts*

 

[Aran]

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Go outside.

WTF???

Aran did we forget to take our prozac today?

Do the nice people in the white jackets know you are out of your room and on the computer without permission again?

 

[Aran]

WTF???

Aran did we forget to take our prozac today?

Do the nice people in the white jackets know you are out of your room and on the computer without permission again?

Pot; meet kettle

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

WTF???

Aran did we forget to take our prozac today?

Do the nice people in the white jackets know you are out of your room and on the computer without permission again?

Pot; meet kettle

Now Aran you know if you continue to act anti-social the "Nice People" will make you go take a time out, in the padded room with the locked door.

 

[Uriah Heep]

I vote no, the GMs should be ingame, and can hop from shard to shard once in a while and listen in as they tend to their business helping people who page for help.

 

[Mitzlplik_SP]

Ahhhh the sheer insight Aran brings to every thread. You da man brotha

As far as moderators for the chat system go,I don`t think its warranted. All they need to do is get on the ban stick. If people know theres consequences for their actions.....less people will do it. We don`t need a babysitter watching every sentence.We just someone that will actually enforce the TOS when someone is reported. Maybe they do /shrug

Plus we have the ignore feature which works wonders.

 

[Lord Gareth]

Well a good idea thread just went sour quickly.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Ahhhh the sheer insight Aran brings to every thread. You da man brotha

As far as moderators for the chat system go,I don`t think its warranted. All they need to do is get on the ban stick. If people know theres consequences for their actions.....less people will do it. We don`t need a babysitter watching every sentence.We just someone that will actually enforce the TOS when someone is reported. Maybe they do /shrug

Plus we have the ignore feature which works wonders.

The only reason I suggested it is that I have seen a particular player on Legends circumvent the ingnore feature.

1) he has 35 chars all with the same or similar names
(Pm me and I will give you the player's name. You can run it through UO Char Search and see for yourself what I am talking about)

2) he will log out on a char once he figures out he's been put on ignore and get on a different. He also has a pechant for being on as many 10 chars at the same time...I have NO idea how he's doing that!

3) We *THINK* he's also deleting and making new chars as well.

Bottomline this dude's favorite pasttime is Trolling in the global chat. Its almost as if he'd rather Troll than actually play UO.

 

[canary]

God Jirel... ANOTHER post about chat?

rolleyes:

And tbh I can only IMAGINE the outcry if you ever moderated ANYTHING. Where is the poll option to ensure that Jirel stops making multiple posts regarding the same grievances?

 

[Taylor]

God Jirel... ANOTHER post about chat?

rolleyes:

And tbh I can only IMAGINE the outcry if you ever moderated ANYTHING. Where is the poll option to ensure that Jirel stops making multiple posts regarding the same grievances?

Says the guy whose every post is a complaint. rolleyes:

 

[Taylor]

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

Go back to OT, where folks care what you think.

 

[Smokin]

Personally I am against moderators in general, systems usually come corrupt and unfair. Specially if you don't pay them or pay them very little.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

God Jirel... ANOTHER post about chat?

rolleyes:

And tbh I can only IMAGINE the outcry if you ever moderated ANYTHING. Where is the poll option to ensure that Jirel stops making multiple posts regarding the same grievances?

I've always been told "You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem.

I choose to be part of the solution or at least part of the search for a solution.

Unlike yourself which is and will always be PART OF THE PROBLEM!

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

You could just filter obscenity....don't have to filter by player, if you don't like the language filter it that is why that filter has been there, for years I would like to add. I am not really "for" people using language that is against the TOS but really we are given the tools to prevent from ever having to experience it, if they are circumventing the obscenity filter then you have grounds for a "real" complaint, other wise page on them and stop bringing this subject up.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

You could just filter obscenity....don't have to filter by player, if you don't like the language filter it that is why that filter has been there, for years I would like to add. I am not really "for" people using language that is against the TOS but really we are given the tools to prevent from ever having to experience it, if they are circumventing the obscenity filter then you have grounds for a "real" complaint, other wise page on them and stop bringing this subject up.

I have paged on them using the harassment feature...All I get is This player does not exist.

Others have also tried and they get the same thing I do. If you use the "Other" option to page about this player you get the following canned message from the GM:

Please resubmit your page using the Harassment option.

Thank you

GM BlahBlahBlah


It not just his bad language ...I could over look it or give as good he gives.
Its the fact that this individual has said extremely disturbing things.

Here's some of his favorites:

"Why don't you kill yourself in RL. I'll loan you the gun"

"Why don't you slit your wrists in RL and die already"

"Go get a knife and slit your wrists. Hell I'll give you the knife"

"Why don't you shoot yourself. If you don't have a gun I'll give you one."

"Why don't you go drink some some bleach."

 

[GreywolfUK]

I have paged on them using the harassment feature...All I get is This player does not exist.

Others have also tried and they get the same thing I do. If you use the "Other" option to page about this player you get the following canned message from the GM:

Please resubmit your page using the Harassment option.

Thank you

GM BlahBlahBlah


It not just his bad language ...I could over look it or give as good he gives.
Its the fact that this individual has said extremely disturbing things.

Here's some of his favorites:

"Why don't you kill yourself in RL. I'll loan you the gun"

"Why don't you slit your wrists in RL and die already"

"Go get a knife and slit your wrists. Hell I'll give you the knife"

"Why don't you shoot yourself. If you don't have a gun I'll give you one."

"Why don't you go drink some some bleach."

Sound like this person is in need of SERIOUS psychological help, judging by what you are quoting, he is mentally disturbed, either that or he should take his own advice, but preferably he will take the former and get some serious psychological help.

 

[Farsight]

I won't set a pixel-foot in any of the chat rooms until we can have our own, moderated channels. If that doesn't happen, then the new chat functionality is just another waste of dev resources.

My idea is, a self created channel has either the creator or someone designated by the creator as a moderator. I don't care about the global channels since I'll never go there again.

 

[canary]

I've always been told "You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem.

I choose to be part of the solution or at least part of the search for a solution.

Unlike yourself which is and will always be PART OF THE PROBLEM!

No, Jirel... people gave you options/ solutions the LAST time you posted this topic here on stratics.

'Ranting' is not a solution... which is, imo (and others, judging from the last time you posted this very same topic), what you tend to do a lot. Besides, I can already tell from your history of posts you'd more than likely ban every single person who you even slightly disagreed with.

PS: Didn't you quit UO like twenty times in the past? And yet here you are.

 

[Aran]

I have paged on them using the harassment feature...All I get is This player does not exist.

Others have also tried and they get the same thing I do. If you use the "Other" option to page about this player you get the following canned message from the GM:

Please resubmit your page using the Harassment option.

Thank you

GM BlahBlahBlah


It not just his bad language ...I could over look it or give as good he gives.
Its the fact that this individual has said extremely disturbing things.

Here's some of his favorites:

"Why don't you kill yourself in RL. I'll loan you the gun"

"Why don't you slit your wrists in RL and die already"

"Go get a knife and slit your wrists. Hell I'll give you the knife"

"Why don't you shoot yourself. If you don't have a gun I'll give you one."

"Why don't you go drink some some bleach."

PM me his character name. I want to hang out with this guy.

 

[Petra Fyde]

EA could not use volunteers to do this, even if they wanted to.
Put the person who is annoying you on 'ignore', use a different room or page harrasment. There are options put in place to deal with this kind of thing, you merely have to use them.

In case you're not familiar with the process.
To put on ignore:
1. access paper doll - Options
2. select 'filter options' (hashed circle, bottom right)
3. double click on the word (new). This brings up a list of people currently in chat.
4. select from the list the name of the person to ignore.

 

[Magdalene]

Erm... what's mindboggling is why would anyone care that some idiot in a game window told them to kill themself?
Why bother reading, remembering, quoting, fighting it?
*enter: internetseriuzbiznzlolcat*

 

[Aran]

It's as bad as taking OT:NHB seriously. But sadder.

 

[Kat]

EA could not use volunteers to do this, even if they wanted to.
Put the person who is annoying you on 'ignore', use a different room or page harrasment. There are options put in place to deal with this kind of thing, you merely have to use them.

In case you're not familiar with the process.
To put on ignore:
1. access paper doll - Options
2. select 'filter options' (hashed circle, bottom right)
3. double click on the word (new). This brings up a list of people currently in chat.
4. select from the list the name of the person to ignore.

This doesn't seem to be an option in the Classic client. Those of us who use this client need some way to ignore troublesome players too.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

EA could not use volunteers to do this, even if they wanted to.
Put the person who is annoying you on 'ignore', use a different room or page harrasment. There are options put in place to deal with this kind of thing, you merely have to use them.

In case you're not familiar with the process.
To put on ignore:
1. access paper doll - Options
2. select 'filter options' (hashed circle, bottom right)
3. double click on the word (new). This brings up a list of people currently in chat.
4. select from the list the name of the person to ignore.

If you'd bothered to read to read the WHOLE thread BEFORE you post and hit the submit key you might have seen this:

The only reason I suggested it is that I have seen a particular player on Legends circumvent the ingnore feature.

1) he has 35 chars all with the same or similar names
(Pm me and I will give you the player's name. You can run it through UO Char Search and see for yourself what I am talking about)

2) he will log out on a char once he figures out he's been put on ignore and get on a different. He also has a pechant for being on as many 10 chars at the same time...I have NO idea how he's doing that!

3) We *THINK* he's also deleting and making new chars as well.

Bottomline this dude's favorite pasttime is Trolling in the global chat. Its almost as if he'd rather Troll than actually play UO.

Your attitude is a sad commentary on Stratics, and its Mods.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

No, Jirel... people gave you options/ solutions the LAST time you posted this topic here on stratics.

'Ranting' is not a solution... which is, imo (and others, judging from the last time you posted this very same topic), what you tend to do a lot. Besides, I can already tell from your history of posts you'd more than likely ban every single person who you even slightly disagreed with.

PS: Didn't you quit UO like twenty times in the past? And yet here you are.

This from a person who has YET to post a single CONSTRUCTIVE thing on stratics.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Erm... what's mindboggling is why would anyone care that some idiot in a game window told them to kill themself?
Why bother reading, remembering, quoting, fighting it?
*enter: internetseriuzbiznzlolcat*

Because we on Legends actually USE the global system.

Because this guy has upset lots of people in global chat.

You're atittude and apathy is an extremely bad reflection on Stratics after all
you ARE a Adminstrator.

How would you like it if someone started posting that kind of garbage on Stratics?

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

It's as bad as taking OT:NHB seriously. But sadder.

I honestly have NO idea what you are talking about.

 

[Flora Green]

Personally I am against moderators in general, systems usually come corrupt and unfair. Specially if you don't pay them or pay them very little.

Pretty much this, so my vote is NO. You really need to learn to deal with things yourself, Jirel.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Pretty much this, so my vote is NO. You really need to learn to deal with things yourself, Jirel.

Well then PLEASE tell me how?
He circumvents ignore, You CAN NOT page on him the system says he doesn't exist, if you make a new room there is NO WAY to keep him out.

Further more Legends is so small we need the chat system to put groups together just so SWs can meditate.

FYI: Legends is a dying shard I expect them to merge us with Baja very soon.

I know Why don't I buy 35 transfers and send him to YOUR SHARD!

Problem solved!

 

[Magdalene]

I still have the right to a personal opinion, admin or not.
Stratics has moderation system and some things are just not allowed, period. I enforce that.
If a separate entity has a different system, rules and enforcement it's their business.
But it's still a bit strange for me that people get upset by trolls. It might be annoying or technically disruptive (spamming for example) - but getting personally upset or angry? *boggle*

 

[Lady Michelle]

Sit there and think about the ones you love that mean the most to you. Now think of finding them laying on the floor in a puddle of blood from slicing their wrist, or even dangling from a rope they used to break their neck, because of some jerk on the internet who feeds into the insecurities of others. Not a pretty thing to think about or picture in your head. Jerks like this have no business in our UO community, or even have access to the internet at all. Just hope to God that one of your family members or friends fall victim to a careless jerk like this.

 

[Aran]

Sit there and think about the ones you love that mean the most to you. Now think of finding them laying on the floor in a puddle of blood from slicing their wrist, or even dangling from a rope they used to break their neck, because of some jerk on the internet who feeds into the insecurities of others. Not a pretty thing to think about or picture in your head. Jerks like this have no business in our UO community, or even have access to the internet at all. Just hope to God that one of your family members or friends doesn't fall victim to a careless jerk like this.

If anyone I know killed themselves because some random schmuck on the internet told them to, GOOD RIDDANCE to damaged goods.

 

[Aran]

This from a person who has YET to post a single CONSTRUCTIVE thing on stratics.

Do you have a single post that isn't a rant/reply to a thread you started ranting about some minor issue that you're going to quit UO over?

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

I still have the right to a personal opinion, admin or not.
Stratics has moderation system and some things are just not allowed, period. I enforce that.
If a separate entity has a different system, rules and enforcement it's their business.
But it's still a bit strange for me that people get upset by trolls. It might be annoying or technically disruptive (spamming for example) - but getting personally upset or angry? *boggle*

Well wouldn't it upset you if everything you did in here to stop a troll was thwarted by the troll and he continued to spout his venom? Rendering you helpless to do anything?

I'm sorry but I REFUSE to bow down and give some idiot troll a whole shard because NO ONE...I mean NO ONE has the guts to stand up to this guy and SAY NO! We WILL NOT tolerate your behavior anymore.

Think about this Magdelene: if he will try to "Cyber-Bully" people in a game don't you think he will most likely try to Cyber-Bully his own teenage Peers?
According to recent news articles Cyber-bulling is growing problem among teens there have been numerous teen suicides as a result of cyber-bullying.

Let me put it to you this way..If you had a chance to nip a criminal in the bud wouldn't you?

Here is a chance to send a strong message to an individual that has the propensity to possibly cause some harm with his behavior. Why no stand up and do it?

 

[Aran]

Well wouldn't it upset you if everything you did in here to stop a troll was thwarted by the troll and he continued to spout his venom? Rendering you helpless to do anything?

You mean like the six years of ban evading and trolling I did here?

 

[Lord Frodo]

I am getting tired of people saying to just put them on ignore or use the filter system. I agree to play buy certain rules every time I log into UO, that is in EA’s rules. So why is it that I have to use filters? Why doesn’t EA enforce their rules that we all agreed to. Stop telling me things I should do and start telling EA to enforce their rules. Sorry UO has changed and if you don’t like it then don’t play it. But if you do play it, then play by the rules.

 

[Beer_Cayse]

Aran wrote:

If anyone I know killed themselves because some random schmuck on the internet told them to, GOOD RIDDANCE to damaged goods.

A bit on the harsh side, but pretty much nails it IMO.

Lord Frodo wrote (in part):

... Why doesn’t EA enforce their rules that we all agreed to. Stop telling me things I should do and start telling EA to enforce their rules. ...

I was wondering when this point would surface. Agreed.

NOTE TO EA: Your Terms also obligate you to do support functions which do include a moderate amount of insuring TOS is adhered to. If you are NOT doing that, then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Get on the stick.

I waited for the most part just to see if this would degrade rapidly or not ... some good points have been stated - here and there. <shrug>

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

I am getting tired of people saying to just put them on ignore or use the filter system. I agree to play buy certain rules every time I log into UO, that is in EA’s rules. So why is it that I have to use filters? Why doesn’t EA enforce their rules that we all agreed to. Stop telling me things I should do and start telling EA to enforce their rules. Sorry UO has changed and if you don’t like it then don’t play it. But if you do play it, then play by the rules.

*HUGS* Thank you Frodo!

 

[Scratch]

we dealt without global chat for 11 yrs....if you dont like the topics log out of it or go to a different channel or even make your own channel....

all clients have the ignore feature which can be applied to any toon in game....

now quit ballin'

 

[Lady Michelle]

Aran wrote:
A bit on the harsh side, but pretty much nails it IMO.

Lord Frodo wrote (in part):
I was wondering when this point would surface. Agreed.

NOTE TO EA: Your Terms also obligate you to do support functions which do include a moderate amount of insuring TOS is adhered to. If you are NOT doing that, then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Get on the stick.

I waited for the most part just to see if this would degrade rapidly or not ... some good points have been stated - here and there. <shrug>

Maybe something could be put in where a GM could disable someones globe chat privileges 1st 2 warnings 72 hour bans 3rd perma ban from using globe chat.

 

[Kellgory]

A UO/EA rep had already mentioned that the chat channels were still subject to the TOC/ROC and anyone in violation would be dealt with via a GM. It seems that the GM's are instead following the much higher rule of "thou shalt not ban anyone or make them mad for saying things because we need all the revenue to keep this company afloat" rule. If your in the general or help channels then the language should be held to a higher standerd than the PVP/Fel channels since it always was sort of a unwritten rule that you could say things in Fel and get away with it, but don't sit Luna or WBB (when people were there) and say the same things without getting in trouble.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

First off the global chat hasn't always been as it is now! This change was recently implemented!

Secondly, if you'd bothered to read the WHOLE thread BEFORE you post and hit the submit key you might have seen this:
The only reason I suggested it is that I have seen a particular player on Legends circumvent the ingnore feature.

1) he has 35 chars all with the same or similar names
(Pm me and I will give you the player's name. You can run it through UO Char Search and see for yourself what I am talking about)

2) he will log out on a char once he figures out he's been put on ignore and get on a different. He also has a pechant for being on as many 10 chars at the same time...I have NO idea how he's doing that!

3) We *THINK* he's also deleting and making new chars as well.

Bottomline this dude's favorite pasttime is Trolling in the global chat. Its almost as if he'd rather Troll than actually play UO.

A wise man once said "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

we dealt without global chat for 11 yrs....if you dont like the topics log out of it or go to a different channel or even make your own channel....

all clients have the ignore feature which can be applied to any toon in game....

now quit ballin'

 

[Lady Michelle]

Actually what this Jerk is doing is cyber bullying which is a crime, and against the law in most states. google: states that pass laws on cyber bullying.


Now If I was the owner or running UO I would be checking out the law on cyber bullying in my state, and how responsible I could be if someone actually did listen to this guy, and took their life.
And Also how do I go about turning some one like this in to the proper authorities.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I apologise, you're right, I didn't read the whole thing. It would seem you do have a rather unique problem on your shard. However I don't think a poll on Stratics is the answer to it, and it is still a fact that EA could not use volunteers from the community to police the chat.

 

[Cogniac]

Well wouldn't it upset you if everything you did in here to stop a troll was thwarted by the troll and he continued to spout his venom? Rendering you helpless to do anything?

I feel this way pretty much every time I see another thread in UHall started by you.

Think about this Magdelene: if he will try to "Cyber-Bully" people in a game don't you think he will most likely try to Cyber-Bully his own teenage Peers?
According to recent news articles Cyber-bulling is growing problem among teens there have been numerous teen suicides as a result of cyber-bullying.

Cyber-bullying is also a great way to bolster your ratings or panic your constituents. If you call someone a bad name on the Internet, and they then proceed to kill themselves, it is a clear indication that they already had substantial mental problems and were simply looking for an excuse to become an hero.

Let me put it to you this way..If you had a chance to nip a criminal in the bud wouldn't you?

Here is a chance to send a strong message to an individual that has the propensity to possibly cause some harm with his behavior. Why no stand up and do it?

lolthawtcriem Minority Report ftw

 

[Petra Fyde]

Let's keep it civil please? I've done a bit of tidying up.

 

[Flora Green]

Apparently. Either my post didn't go through or it was deleted. There was certainly nothing wrong with it.