Message to the UO underdogs

[Nastia Cross]

AWW Flutter! We can all be friends!

 

[Flutter]

AWW Flutter! We can all be friends!

But... I'm a Pisces...

 

[Zuckuss]

Derail a thread? when you advertise, give the people the truth and let them decide.

And as for not allied, *points to Giggles' post* yes, you are.

Yes we are tonight as of 10pm est tonight, just with two of the guilds on the page though, the rest listed all joined DRI! It just doesn't show it yet ..... and Giggles knew that. Nice try!

 

[Giggles]

Yes we are tonight as of 10pm est tonight, just with two of the guilds on the page though, the rest listed all joined DRI! It just doesn't show it yet ..... and Giggles knew that. Nice try!

I knew that? Really? I suppose I'm some all knowing insider of all your guild functions and choices? Hardly lol. Weather its GRI/DRI/DRI!/trammies United/We hate pvpers!/etc... it doesn't change the fact that you all work together now does it? It doesn't change the fact that their are far more the "5" of you active now does it?

Nice try though!

 

[Giggles]

*laughing* Nastia must be someone who knows me well or knows someone who does. I don't "huggle" just anyone.

(If people who lie accuse others of lying, how can we determine if they are lying or telling the truth? Not accusing anyone specific, just askin'.)

Many of us on Catskills have for years turned cheeks 1 and 2. Now it's time to show the Loyal Opposition cheeks 3 and 4.

In the interest of full disclosure, so that readers understand that I am not a disinterested bystander (if they ever thought that lol), I am the GM of GRI and the administrator of the Circle Alliance. I will edit my sig for now to reflect that.

Sorry to pop your bubble here honey bunches, but she was hugging me .

 

[CatLord]

What the heck happened to the thread?
I'm not interested in your zodiak affiliation...

I'm showing the carebears(myself included) how to take back UO into their own hands... instead of letting a minority control their shard... and tell them what they can and cannot do...

BTW, I'm aries... with a mars ascendent...

March 25: This period of time is governed by the Angel Vehuiah, who is a member of the Order of Seraphim and an Angel of Energy. Vehuiah is customarily invoked to fulfill prayers. Governing the first rays of the Sun, this Angel is superior above all things, granting intense energy and lucidity. He offers protection from enemies and supports adventurous aspirations. Those who fall within the jurisdiction of this Angel are quick to act and react in competitive situations and are blessed with an excellent sense of timing. Such individuals are able to break through barriers and achieve seemingly impossible goals.

 

[G.v.P]

Interesting thread. A PvP thread for Trammies. Hugging, RPing.

Lots of fun. Only thing missing is a mentioning of cookies.

 

[CatLord]

* sends message to Queen mom *

 

[T'Challa]

Looks like a tea party to me

 

[Nastia Cross]

Looks like a tea party to me

If it is indeed a tea party, someone better be writing notes on their hand so they don't forget that they are allied!

 

[Connor_Graham]

Join the wolves or the sheep in wolves clothing?

Cross dresser huh?

 

[Black Sun]

This.
Lately any attempt to post to show the outright lies is met with warnings and posts being removed.

Unfortunately because the posts were made on the Catskills section of the forums...

Yes, because the Catskills mods have little tolerance for pointless posturing and poo flinging. I don't need my inbox clogged up every day with reported posts claiming that "he's lying about what I said" "she's trolling" "he called me stupid" "she's trying to start a fight"

Sometimes I feel like I'm back working in a daycare center.

This whole feud is pointless. I don't understand whats so hard about each group playing the GAME the way they enjoy without adding all the extra drama and petty arguing on an internet message board.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I don't understand whats so hard about each group playing the GAME the way they enjoy without adding all the extra drama and petty arguing on an internet message board.

PvP isn't PvP without useless posturing and drama, not only on message boards, but in global chat as well.

 

[CatLord]

PvP isn't PvP without useless posturing and drama, not only on message boards, but in global chat as well.

hehe... 5 star post.

 

[Black Sun]

Oh, that's fine, they can posture all they want, that's not the part that annoys me. It's the posts that are reported for the stupidest things. You'd be amazed if you saw what Podolak and I have to deal with some days.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Oh, that's fine, they can posture all they want, that's not the part that annoys me. It's the posts that are reported for the stupidest things. You'd be amazed if you saw what Podolak and I have to deal with some days.

I'm willing to bet it's something along the lines of "he/she called me a ninnypoopoostinkyhead with cooties!"...

 

[Black Sun]

Pretty damn close sometimes.

 

[Splup]

PvP isn't PvP without useless posturing and drama, not only on message boards, but in global chat as well.

 

[Nastia Cross]

This whole feud is pointless. I don't understand whats so hard about each group playing the GAME the way they enjoy without adding all the extra drama and petty arguing on an internet message board.

While I do agree that it should be pointless, unfortunately there is alot of double talk going on. Everyone deserves to know the truth of the situation. Yes there has been a very high amount of "slinging" from both sides but that is only because many of us are frustrated at the situation.

Bottom line, if their Alliance would just own up to how things REALLY are, the rest of us would most likely shut up. The fact is remains however that they demonize pvpers for raiding them and pking and then they do the same all the while trying to hide that part of the equation.

 

[A Rev]

Ill be honest here...Whats the point???

You have picked completely dead shards PvP wise where the "underdogs" as you call them could quite easily spawn pretty much whenever they want!

During my brief stay on cats before leaving for PvP, TB alliance were nothing but free Punkte! No spawn was ever completed when any of us checked spawns. 1v5 we have taken TB spawns.

So my question is...what exactly are you offering??

Protection??

Your alliance couldn't protect yourselves...how do you plan to protect others??

Ability to spawn???

You have picked shards with almost 0 PvP, people can easily solo spawns all day on those shards. [believe me i have done]

What exactly do you bring that the "underdogs" couldn't do themselves?

Why not pick a shard like GL or ATL or PAC or CHESSY or any of the shards with PvP and ACTUAL underdogs!!!

 

[Black Sun]

While I do agree that it should be pointless, unfortunately there is alot of double talk going on. Everyone deserves to know the truth of the situation. Yes there has been a very high amount of "slinging" from both sides but that is only because many of us are frustrated at the situation.

Bottom line, if their Alliance would just own up to how things REALLY are, the rest of us would most likely shut up. The fact is remains however that they demonize pvpers for raiding them and pking and then they do the same all the while trying to hide that part of the equation.

Why does anyone care? Maybe I'm just of a different mindset, but I don't care what anyone else does in game for enjoyment. Spawn, Raid, Chase down chickens with a greater dragon while dressed in neon puke colors while RPing a mongbat, it doesn't effect me in the least. The only thing I can see in this whole thing that might be the tiniest issue is complaining about reds raiding spawns.

If you go to fel, be prepared for PvP. Reds can and will attack you. Its the nature of the beast. Complaining about being PK'd/Raided in fel is like complaining about getting cold when you go outside in Antarctica.

 

[siyeng0]

PvP isn't PvP without useless posturing and drama, not only on message boards, but in global chat as well.

I love the global chat system for just this reason. Listening to the trash-talk while I'm playing is hilarious. It's like having a permanent personal IRL soundtrack composed entirely of Yakkety-Sax.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I love the global chat system for just this reason. Listening to the trash-talk while I'm playing is hilarious. It's like having a permanent personal IRL soundtrack composed entirely of Yakkety-Sax.

I find it extremely annoying and have had chat turned off since it was added because of it. Now that we can ignore posters I'll be able to start ignoring them, which is good. I don't get why they can't use the Fel chat for their pancakes and moaning instead of the Tram one. It's like they want everyone to know how juvenile they are.

 

[Zuckuss]

I knew that? Really? I suppose I'm some all knowing insider of all your guild functions and choices? Hardly lol. Weather its GRI/DRI/DRI!/trammies United/We hate pvpers!/etc... it doesn't change the fact that you all work together now does it? It doesn't change the fact that their are far more the "5" of you active now does it?

Nice try though!

*shakes head*

Actually, it doesn't change that fact that you have not a clue what you are talking about, now does it, go ahead and continue getting your strings pulled, it is sad to see on this end....

SL, COM, AND Minax united to fight off us horrible trammies! Still 29 chars in my guild! Slice it any way you wan't. Stop complaining and PvP!

Blind hatred won't get you anywhere Giggles. I am flattered though on the counts you took on my blue.
Awesome rebuttal btw!

 

[Zuckuss]

Ill be honest here...Whats the point???

You have picked completely dead shards PvP wise where the "underdogs" as you call them could quite easily spawn pretty much whenever they want!

During my brief stay on cats before leaving for PvP, TB alliance were nothing but free Punkte! No spawn was ever completed when any of us checked spawns. 1v5 we have taken TB spawns.

So my question is...what exactly are you offering??

Protection??

Your alliance couldn't protect yourselves...how do you plan to protect others??

Ability to spawn???

You have picked shards with almost 0 PvP, people can easily solo spawns all day on those shards. [believe me i have done]

What exactly do you bring that the "underdogs" couldn't do themselves?

Why not pick a shard like GL or ATL or PAC or CHESSY or any of the shards with PvP and ACTUAL underdogs!!!

While your statment would be correct 4 months ago, severel people from different shards including, atl, great lakes and chessy have come to fight us... or join us.

Cats PvP is growing, we have some of the top pvpers in the game transfering here (to cats) as of late. Stop by sometime and you will see that.

Ohh and as far as "protecting ourselves," we have very little trouble "protecting" ourselves against your guild.

Thanks

 

[CatLord]

Now to get Popps to make a character on Catskills...

 

[Extra Value Meal]

While I do agree that it should be pointless, unfortunately there is alot of double talk going on. Everyone deserves to know the truth of the situation.

Oh man, I can't WAIT to find out what the truth is!

Oh wait, I couldn't care less.

 

[CatLord]

Well... the thread is doing its job...

New players and new friends joining us on Drachs, Cats and Sonoma.
New ingame foes coming to Catskills.

Our ventrillo averages 22 players per night... busy with crafting to raiding...

I wonder if it would be simple for EA to change the ingame chat for a voice chat... but doing the math makes me believe that isn't possible at all...

I guess we'll have to use players ventrillos and their own effort to expand uo and reach new players...

 

[Coragin]

Some thoughts and Questions for Cat.

First, some of you should be ashamed of yourselfs. Here is someone who is promoting community and not harassment and or griefing and what is the response from the pvp comminuty? Jokes and Insults. Why? Are you so unhappy with your own life that you must take every chance you get to down other people, their ideas and playstyle to make yourselves feel better? Honestly, you lose. And I am a member of a raiding/pvp guild of all friends.

On to the questions Cat.

1. No ATL???? WTF!!
2. We could use your spirit on Origin as well. Talk to myself or Mass on how to form an alliance.
3. Are you in factions? I am TB for life and wont leave, if I come on these hunts with you guys, will I be screwed for heals and resses because no one else is in a faction?
4. I am all scrolled out on most of my char, but how do you work scrolls people get that they dont need? Do you share? Or do the people that got them just keep them? Or is that a case by case basis dependent on the indivudal?

This actually seems interesting, now I can bring my Sampire/Whammy to spawns (great spawner/gimp for pvp)

 

[CatLord]

1. No ATL????...

Well, first you take the outter planets... then you head for the Heart of the empire...

2. We could use your spirit on Origin as well. Talk to myself or Mass on how to form an alliance.

I played on Catskills since it was created...
I started with RP... then I got tired of being bashed and scorned by pkers... so I united a few players into a family... and called it the Gentle Rest Inn (you know, in UO, people come and go... this was 1998)
Nine years later we had explored everything, done everything in the game... so I decided to create the Tram Alliance. I had to fight some of my emmys to create the alliance... but was worth it.

http://www.uoforums.com/general-discussion-gri/72952-alliance.html

3. Are you in factions? I am TB for life and wont leave, if I come on these hunts with you guys, will I be screwed for heals and resses because no one else is in a faction?

We are RPing Paladins of Torm... under the guidance of Queen Dawn the First.
(pvpers HATE to be killed by rpers... so we're enjoying this too)
http://www.uoforums.com/loyal-fury/60428-code-precepts.html

4. I am all scrolled out on most of my char, but how do you work scrolls people get that they dont need? Do you share? Or do the people that got them just keep them? Or is that a case by case basis dependent on the indivudal?

http://www.uoforums.com/dreads-rest-inn-tb/63771-spawn-rules.html

We use the scrolls to help everyone... friend AND foes...

 

[Coragin]

Thanks Cat!

 

[Giggles]

*shakes head*

Actually, it doesn't change that fact that you have not a clue what you are talking about, now does it, go ahead and continue getting your strings pulled, it is sad to see on this end....

SL, COM, AND Minax united to fight off us horrible trammies! Still 29 chars in my guild! Slice it any way you wan't. Stop complaining and PvP!

Blind hatred won't get you anywhere Giggles. I am flattered though on the counts you took on my blue.
Awesome rebuttal btw!

I might not know everything good sir, but I do know what I see. Anyone can pick a night, to go to yew, and hang out with some tracking. They will pull up a HECK of a lot more then 5 active people all working together from your guild and affiliates and TB. That is my point.

Blind hatred? LMAO. Dude I give you and your guild enough thought to reply to the silly posts I see and that's about it. I don't hate you or anyone in this GAME. My hate/love and other real emotions are better saved for my rl issues and my children. This is simply my hobby.

Thanks for giving me the counts! Usually when someone is red, they really would rather stay that way, and don't care about extra counts lol. Giggles has been red forever, and at this point is perma red. SO count away!

I'm sorry I made you look silly... But I did prove you were making a completely false statement. Continue to try and justify it all you want.. but anyone on this shard already knows better.

 

[CatLord]

I forgot Coragin...

Current Catskills Alliance...

http://my.uo.com/cgi-bin/guilds.pl?g=b4219816512a1d3e:8

12 years of gaming and experience...

our radio interview...

http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=162738073533&share_id=174605517390&comments=1

(sorry that it is in facebook)

 

[Megilhir]

OBSERVATIONS:

PvP verse PK: Kinda blended into similiar occupations. Originally back in the day ('99) some people would RP their PvP. "I am a Highwayman, give me your gold and you may pass..." And if you gave the gold you ACTUALLY passed unharmed.

Presently; "Hey look, a blue! Sic em!!" Where is the finess?

And if anyone goes on about how they do or do not do this in their guild/alliance/kin/organization I raise the Boy Scout flag in response.

Want proof? Pop over to Yew moongate in Fel (during normal hours) and run around a bit. I estimate 30 to 90 seconds before some hoon runs up and tries to gank you. Unless of course that is your fellow hoon's area.

So now PK and PvP are much closer in relation if not the same.

This Catskills guy is encouraging a sense of community. It appears the other sides are doing the same, if with hostility.

Ever been to Bosnia? The Serbs and Croats get along with no difficulty during the week-end border farmer's markets. It is only when some external "Leader" decides to stir them up through rhetoric that they become "aware" of their differences and decide they need to fight. Same in Afganistan, Iraq, Africa and so forth.

Actually I suggest all parties in this debate have elements of thuggery. Either you or your members are happy to gank the lone miner if that can happen (mine are all dexxers in disguse, I grew up preTram). So please leave off the sanctimonious harpings and realize you are both brutalizing over the same pie. You each want your piece and the other guy's.

And this is of course the heart of PvP/PK action. If not then everyone would PvE.

That aside, at least there is some emotive activity and it sounds fun but I have no toons (aside from a reward gatherer I think) on Catskills. And every moment away from developing the toons on Arirang/Atlantic/Drahenfels/Oceania/Pacific is not time effective for me. And in actuallity, PvP isn't usually as productive for character development.

But have at it. Jump up and proudly stating how you are better, different and so and so is worse. It does make for an interesting read.

And if nothing else, well done on sparking an interesting sideshow for the masses. Well done indeed.

 

[Zuckuss]

I might not know everything good sir, but I do know what I see. Anyone can pick a night, to go to yew, and hang out with some tracking. They will pull up a HECK of a lot more then 5 active people all working together from your guild and affiliates and TB. That is my point.

Blind hatred? LMAO. Dude I give you and your guild enough thought to reply to the silly posts I see and that's about it. I don't hate you or anyone in this GAME. My hate/love and other real emotions are better saved for my rl issues and my children. This is simply my hobby.

Thanks for giving me the counts! Usually when someone is red, they really would rather stay that way, and don't care about extra counts lol. Giggles has been red forever, and at this point is perma red. SO count away!

I'm sorry I made you look silly... But I did prove you were making a completely false statement. Continue to try and justify it all you want.. but anyone on this shard already knows better.

1. You posted first, bashing me and my guild without ever attempting to talk with me once = Blind Hatred.

2. You character was blue, not red, you think I would have mentioned it if she wasn't blue?

3. No problem at all, I don't feel silly. If it helps you feel better to think that, go right ahead and think it! The fact is though, you look silly enough.

I am done, answering your assumptions. If you have any issues with me, please take it to a different thread, or just PM me, that goes for anyone.

Otherwise, I will see you on the field next time you have 10 people on.

 

[Giggles]

1. You posted first, bashing me and my guild without ever attempting to talk with me once = Blind Hatred.

2. You character was blue, not red, you think I would have mentioned it if she wasn't blue?

3. No problem at all, I don't feel silly. If it helps you feel better to think that, go right ahead and think it! The fact is though, you look silly enough.

I am done, answering your assumptions. If you have any issues with me, please take it to a different thread, or just PM me, that goes for anyone.

Otherwise, I will see you on the field next time you have 10 people on.

1. I wasn't bashing anything... I was voicing my personal opinion and observations.

2. My mistake, its seldom that I bring a blue into fel for the purpose of PvP, but you are right. I recall killing a few GRI on my PvM fencer when Giggs was in stat .

3. Of course I look silly! That is my nature, and why friends of mine call me a goofy dork, or crazy lady, or little psycho one, or other playful names not suitable for stratics LOL. I'm a playful, goofy, hyper, odd, person but I do enjoy good debates Sometimes I participate when I'm half asleep and brain dead.. but its still fun!

4. Here you are wrong, they are not assumptions, but observations and fact. If you chose to agree with it or believe it or not is your own prerogative.

Back to work! I need a Stratics intervention. Its distracting me for work

Cya out there.

 

[Llewen]

Which "side" is the Borg side:

the side that allows for conformity only to one playstyle and attitude

or the side that allows for and encourages many different playstyles and opinions without habitually insulting those who believe otherwise?

Oh doesn't this hit the nail on the head. I couldn't count the number of times I've been harassed and insulted for refusing to conform by the side here that claims it isn't "The Borg". The irony is positively delicious...

 

[Giggles]

Oh doesn't this hit the nail on the head. I couldn't count the number of times I've been harassed and insulted for refusing to conform by the side here that claims it isn't "The Borg". The irony is positively delicious...

Sorry but this just made me LOL. I think that can be said by BOTH parties...


However if you join the dark side... I'll sneak you some of Flutters ebil cookies! *holds up watch and swings it back and forth in Llewen's face* "You WILL conform... You WILL conform..."

Something like that? Damn I want that job... Flutter you have been holding out on me!


OMG CAN I USE A WHIP TOO?!?!?!!? Cause that's Hawt!

 

[A Rev]

While your statment would be correct 4 months ago, severel people from different shards including, atl, great lakes and chessy have come to fight us... or join us.

Cats PvP is growing, we have some of the top pvpers in the game transfering here (to cats) as of late. Stop by sometime and you will see that.

Ohh and as far as "protecting ourselves," we have very little trouble "protecting" ourselves against your guild.

Thanks

*yawn*

This was said last time we turned up. The pvp was atrocious and most of us have barely logged onto cats since.

Protect yourselves?? Are you joking?? When we had 4 people up to the max of 7 we owned the shard, no-one could stop anything we did.

You all died many MANY times...then most of the time logged on stealthers and hid all day!

Maybe the rest of RICE read this and they see the challenge, i dont, i see more of the same. We would log on you all would hide and not fight after your first 5 deaths.

 

[CatLord]

Yeah, you all rock at pvp...

Back to the point...

I would like to welcome the new players that joined us on Catskills today.
I hope you have a great time!

 

[Llewen]

OMG CAN I USE A WHIP TOO?!?!?!!? Cause that's Hawt!

mmmmmm, whips...

 

[Zayin666]

I am not a number! I am a free man!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Angel121]

I've spent some time reading through this thread, the finger pointing, the blame game, the "I'm better than thou Sir's!" and the I'll post and ignore you because I'm so far above you posting.

But even after I get to this stage on the second page I still ponder to myself...

The OP...

Sounds like one of them Ron L Hubbard type's that think that crazy fiction writer is the messiah with his theton's.... The whole feeling is like those creepy Q&A's...
"We're not a religion, we are a Church of people that believe in a higher purpose!"
"That is a religion"
"no it's not"
"erm.. totally is dude."
"Stop persecuting my beliefs!%!"

 

[Megilhir]

I recommend both (all) sides post character names of their uber PvPness.

Why?

Because I made a toon last night on CS, wandered around and ran into one other player while in the wilds of Feluccia.

Started at the Yew moongate and started walking. Came across Gypsy camps and killed the Blues just to be grey (and get the loot - hey it is a newly created toon).

So...where does all this RP/PvP/PK action occur? Other than house ganks that is? Just curious, not a challenge, but Yo yo yo...it beez like da crypt y'all.

 

[CatLord]

I've spent some time reading through this thread, the finger pointing, the blame game, the "I'm better than thou Sir's!" and the I'll post and ignore you because I'm so far above you posting.

But even after I get to this stage on the second page I still ponder to myself...

The OP...

Sounds like one of them Ron L Hubbard type's that think that crazy fiction writer is the messiah with his theton's.... The whole feeling is like those creepy Q&A's...
"We're not a religion, we are a Church of people that believe in a higher purpose!"
"That is a religion"
"no it's not"
"erm.. totally is dude."
"Stop persecuting my beliefs!%!"

Nah, we're more like Robert Anson Heinlein... and the famous kiss in Stranger in a Strange Land...

 

[Angel121]

Nah, we're more like Robert Anson Heinlein... and the famous kiss in Stranger in a Strange Land...

heh,

I'm sure many Ahem "partners" are useful in this game

I just want to say I applaud your efforts and I do hope that the truth is somewhere is toward the empowerment of the players rather than the unsavoury side of the debate.

It's good to see people reclaiming the game from the people low enough to cheat to win (If I'm reading it right).

 

[RichDC]

BORING WALL OF TEXT.

For once can you please just post an interesting concise post??

Rather than these droll essays you persist in producing!

 

[Flutter]

heh,

I'm sure many Ahem "partners" are useful in this game

I just want to say I applaud your efforts and I do hope that the truth is somewhere is toward the empowerment of the players rather than the unsavoury side of the debate.

It's good to see people reclaiming the game from the people low enough to cheat to win (If I'm reading it right).

Problem is not everyone accused of cheating actually does. Also, not everyone's hands are clean that are doing the finger pointing. It just makes for "fun roleplay" for them to accuse without foundation, slander peoples names, and generally try to make look bad the "opposing side" so that their "side" looks holier.

Realize too that the "opposing side" are those individuals who enjoy PvP as part of their UO experience. These people generally have done nothing illegal, immoral or fattening in game or out. They just enjoy a wider spectrum of the game. The bottom line being taught here is that if you participate in non-con PvP of any type you are a cheater, hacker and all around bad person.

 

[Giggles]

 

[Widow Maker]

Keep up the good work Pitr.

Even us evil players applaud your efforts.