Market, Event and Lottery

[The House of Mowbray]

You forgot "and most likely used a search site to cheat ingame."...

I'm sorry you have completely lost me there!

 

[Tjalle]

I'm sorry you have completely lost me there!

Heh, don´t worry. The "guilty" ones know what I mean...

 

[The House of Mowbray]

'Essentials' are perfectly available. If they were 'essential', and not available, then nobody would be able to play.

Agreed, but not available in Luna at affordable prices to the average player.

If people can resell stock at a higher price than you want to sell for - what, precisely is wrong, other than 'those people are not playing like I want them to"? If they can keep on selling at these supposedly 'excessive' prices, that has to imply people are keeping on buying.

Nothing wrong with that at all if it suits THEIR play style. I was relating to Kims post about not bank rolling other traders with cheap stock, so they can buyout and resell at a profit. I was also confirming [from the results of my experiment] that this does in fact go on in Luna. As to how often and whether it IS or has happened to other players I don't know. I can only talk about my experience.

"Reasonable" prices are entirely personal choices, what I will pay for something is not what you, or anyone else, would likely pay.

True. I did however have a conversation with a couple of new players the other day whilst at my Luna house, who told me that they felt it would be a long time before they could gather enough gold to buy alot of the things they had seen forsale here.

You, however, take the stance 'it should be cheaper' - but have no apparent substance behind your assertion. But as you said earlier,

No I was saying that I felt that if there were shops selling essentials at affordable prices. Then more players may well come to Luna and shop/hang around and hopefully bring a bit more of the old UO community feel to the town.

I also said that I felt that maybe one of the reasons why there are no such shops at the moment COULD be due to the buyout thing putting players off trying to do so.

My other point on this subject was that one player holding so many plots and not really using them, could also be stopping new shop owners moving into the town.

"I'm not into the 'squabbling thing', so feel free to flame if you don't agree with what I have said. But it will likely fall on to deaf ears!"

(You want to state what you think people should be doing, without listening to their opinions? Interesting stance there....).

Sorry disagree with you again here. I was referring to another part of Kims original post that said;

All this squabbling and back-biting isn't terribly impressive.
If you'er trying to promote trade, and all that, then bickering and sniping at each other isn't going to win any hearts and minds.

Your point, as you call it, is that you can't see a shop set up in Luna that sells things as cheaply as you think they should, and therefore the people who charge more than you think they should are doing something 'wrong'.

Yes and no. See my first post as to why I say this.

Even to someone who has precisely one vendor, that sells stuff dirt cheap way outside Luna, your position is completely nonsensical, made worse by your unwillingness to even try do anything to change something you clearly disapprove of.

You want stuff sold cheaper? Sell it cheaper. Since that has no appeal to you, I conclude what you really want is to be able choose who is allowed sell things in Luna, so they can't charge what YOU think are excessive prices. Or maybe it's just a chance to say how horrible other people are for not doing what you think they should do....

Either way, there's nothing of any value, in real life or UO terms, to your position. It's just another rant from someone who "knows" how everyone else should act.

I don't think I'm the one ranting here.............

 

[Serafi]

Agreed, but not available in Luna at affordable prices to the average player.

How can a player with a house in Luna know so little about the shard he is playing on? Luna is the main street of any city in RL, the prices there will always be higher than other places due simply to the much higher traffic. But not everything revolves around Luna, and especially not on the basic supplies. There Europa still have a broad range of both prices and variety.We have RAA, Barians, many shops along Umbra Road, OT, Tia and Miss Polly in Zento just to name a few, and the lovely Mountain Hollow for your deco needs. If you have no knowledge of any of these places I am sure someone will be willing to escort you. The best you can do for the new players is to point them in the right direction for what they need.

True. I did however have a conversation with a couple of new players the other day whilst at my Luna house, who told me that they felt it would be a long time before they could gather enough gold to buy alot of the things they had seen forsale here.

As it should be.

 

[LibraII]

'Essentials' are perfectly available. If they were 'essential', and not available, then nobody would be able to play.

Agreed, but not available in Luna at affordable prices to the average player.

What exactly are you referring to when you say "essentials"? Nothing in UO is ESSENTIAL, that's the beauty of the game.

"Reasonable" prices are entirely personal choices, what I will pay for something is not what you, or anyone else, would likely pay.

True. I did however have a conversation with a couple of new players the other day whilst at my Luna house, who told me that they felt it would be a long time before they could gather enough gold to buy alot of the things they had seen forsale here.

What were they looking at though? If a new mage see's an Ornament of the Magician in Luna for 5mill, they are going to think "Crap, I'll never afford that", whereas if anyone playing more than a year or 2 will think "Damn, that's a bargain, I'll buy that!"
As Aurelius says, cost is a personal issue. One persons Treasure is another mans Junk etc etc.

 

[Serafi]

What were they looking at though? If a new mage see's an Ornament of the Magician in Luna for 5mill, they are going to think "Crap, I'll never afford that", whereas if anyone playing more than a year or 2 will think "Damn, that's a bargain, I'll buy that!"
As Aurelius says, cost is a personal issue. One persons Treasure is another mans Junk etc etc.

The first item I set my eyes on as a new player was a fruit basket priced at 45K. I thought it looked lovely, and really wanted one - but the price was so steep for me I had no idea how to obtain that much. This was during that time when a Small Tower had a pricetag of 3 Mil btw. That was just too far away in the future for me, but my first goal was that fruitbasket. Just remembered when I read your post above

 

[The House of Mowbray]

What were they looking at though? If a new mage see's an Ornament of the Magician in Luna for 5mill, they are going to think "Crap, I'll never afford that", whereas if anyone playing more than a year or 2 will think "Damn, that's a bargain, I'll buy that!"
As Aurelius says, cost is a personal issue. One persons Treasure is another mans Junk etc etc.

I don't know they never said. I got the impression that they had only been playing a few weeks, and only stumbled on Luna when trying out the public moongate.

I gave them some gold/armour pieces/weps and a ride back to Haven.

 

[The House of Mowbray]

How can a player with a house in Luna know so little about the shard he is playing on?

I bow down to your superior knowledge of Europa! True I have limited experience of this shard due to the amount of time I have been here.

I have however travelled about the realm quite a bit taking in who's doing what and where etc, and as of yet only encountered hostility on here! Thankfully it would seem just from a tiny tiny minority.

Quote from a player at Luna bank this evening.

" Ignore them two, they've always been argumentitive and know it all"

Can't say I agree with all of that statement, but there is SOME truth there!

As for this thread. We will just have to have a group hug, and agree to disagree.

Fair enough?

 

[The House of Mowbray]

Also, on a side note, it would seem that not ALL players that buy-out do so for profit!

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=182004

This post in that thread kind of jumped out at me. No idea why though

if I recall the thread the other day, this person is nearby ... buys everything off her vendors then resells on theirs at higher prices. This practice disallows proper purchases from being made at the Ironrose shop by players.

Griefing? Nope but it's damned nasty and uncalled for IMO.

 

[Serafi]

I bow down to your superior knowledge of Europa! True I have limited experience of this shard due to the amount of time I have been here.

I have however travelled about the realm quite a bit taking in who's doing what and where etc, and as of yet only encountered hostility on here!

On Europa? Are we playing the same shard?

" Ignore them two, they've always been argumentitive and know it all"
Can't say I agree with all of that statement, but there is SOME truth there!

If I am one of the two, then I wouldn`t ignore me, although the rest have some truth in it

As for this thread. We will just have to have a group hug, and agree to disagree.

You and I can have a hug if you agree to let me escort you around visiting the broad range of shops, going through all my shopping runebooks.

 

[The House of Mowbray]

On Europa? Are we playing the same shard? You and I can have a hug if you agree to let me escort you around visiting the broad range of shops, going through all my shopping runebooks.

I've already seen them [the shops], and have quite a few books of my own.

 

[Serafi]

Also, on a side note, it would seem that not ALL players that buy-out do so for profit!

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=182004

This post in that thread kind of jumped out at me. No idea why though

Yes I have read that one too. Anyone running a shop has had that happen to them at least one time. I did too, on the same item. You can either deal with it, or choose to simply stop stocking that vendor. Dealing with it here means understanding that if you get bought out in such a way - someone else is making a profit you should have received. That actually means your prices as a whole are too low. You can change that, as well as change how many you stock at once, when you stock etc. She has already recieved plenty of good advice in how to deal with the situation.

 

[Aurelius]

I don't think I'm the one ranting here.............

Quite possibly - nothing related to UO (barring some of the activities of EA) annoys me more than any sentences that boil down to 'other people should play like this....' and setting out what those damned 'other people' are doing wrong. As I said, if they don't break the rules, spoil the game for others, and have fun, they are doing it absolutely right.

 

[Serine]

I for one are very worries about player base on europa . I got the same feeling i hade when Drachenfels fell apart . Number of things gives me this feeling . Just to mention few . Seeing around 5 people at luna bank during prime time several evenings .. Talking to fellow traders (around 10 luna vendor owners ) ALL saying the selling of items is realy realy bad .

Personaly i feel something happend during the holidays . SA being a part of this ? i do not know . Anyhow right along holidays i hade a dramatic change in how easy/hard it was to sell items and its been going on sence then . In the end it got so bad i moved my shop to an other shard . But still hoping on seeing more people on Europa so i can reopen my shop . As it is now there is no point to x-shard and bring items to Europa as they dont sell well enough . And some of you might know i runned Team Sweden Shop and didnt have the highest prices .

I even Moved few PVM chars to Atlantic just to have people to hunt and chat with , And there is no lack of people there hehe .

A big thanks to UOFREE for hosting theese markets . Its been a great addition and i am sure alot of work has been needed to pull it through . Great Job M8

 

[Rimeny]

I have been following this tread for a while...now it’s my turn ;-)

I am a Luna trader(although I took a small break over the holidays) and yes sales have been very slow in certain areas Arties for example, this in my opinion is down to the new imbuing skill. Why pay millions for 1 item when you could buy an all 70’s 6mr 25mi suit for 600k eg. Ring of the vile use to be a huge seller and could fetch up to 3.5m in its prime. Now I can’t sell it at 1.5m.

I don’t think this is a bad thing at all, what a good trader can do is work with the trends and adjust his prices and stock accordingly. As Libra says, don’t be afraid to try and haggle a shop keeper, you don’t ask you don’t get! I made alot of gold when times were good, plently to retire on, but I really enjoy running a shop and huge profit margins are less of an interest to me these days.


I know a lot of the PvPers (who were the big money spenders) have moved on but that will just bring a new bread of PvPers, the times are always changing no one can predict how this will pan out.

Yes luna bank is dead these days at times, but i think at prime time lots of people are after the new artie drops knowing they can pull 60-70m in for just one drop! and to say if those dead and empty plots on the south road wouldn’t make a difference to Europa’s luna is poppy cock! The reason that perhaps prices in Luna got out of control was due to the lack of friendly competition

I still love my shard and will soon be opening a new Zento arm to my shop, ill be here until it pops!
VIVA Europa!