Logic behind lions/STTs losing healing?

[kitiara-atlantic]

I'm curious as to the logic or fictional explanation of why lions and saber toothed tigers that show healing in their lore/knowledge pages and have healing skill points lose healing once tamed. Does taming them cause memory loss? A loss of manual dexterity to manipulate a bandage? Why do they lose it?

Scenario:

You subjugate a lion or saber toothed tiger. It is at 8% health. You hear it bandage itself multiple times. You check the lore/knowledge page; it shows healing as one of the animal's abilities. You check the skill list. Healing has skill points in it. You tame the creature. Healing is gone from lore/knowledge (meaning, it will not gain additional skill points through skill-up training). To add insult, when you release and kill the creature, it drops a bandage pack.

Clearly it had healing. Where did healing go? Why does it leave after taming?

This does not happen on all of them - just most. (I recall reading somewhere that 1 in 6 will have healing). I'm not complaining about the fact that healing is a 1 in 6 chance - just that the execution of which ones have healing is illogical.

I get that not all lions and STTs have healing. But a more reasonable way to execute this, in my opinion, would be to either show healing on the l/k page (and keep it if and when it appears), or not. If the creature rolls the RNG and will have healing, subjugation allows healing to appear and it stays. If it will not have healing, subjugation makes no difference and healing never appears. Why have subjugation add healing, only to remove it upon taming?

If there's a logical justification or some storyline that makes sense for the sudden memory loss, fine, but I'd love to hear it. Otherwise it's just a piece of odd behavior that breaks the fourth wall and makes me think every time that it makes no sense that the animal had healing a second ago, and now it doesn't.

Is it just me?!

 

[Cailleach]

From the same school of logic that says pets that are tamed with necro & ss must have those skills activated via the training gump, causing them to lose two of their special abilities.

Both are thoroughly illogical, and extremely annoying. If it has healing, it should keep it. Ditto other skills, like necro & ss.

 

[Mervyn]

spoiler, they don't. Well, you just need to look for Lions and STT with healing under the second "lore an knowledge" where it lists bleed etc and they will then not lose that skill. I think about 1 in 8 of them have it.

 

[MalagAste]

spoiler, they don't. Well, you just need to look for Lions and STT with healing under the second "lore an knowledge" where it lists bleed etc and they will then not lose that skill. I think about 1 in 8 of them have it.

I call BS... I had one of those once tamed it stuck it in the stable waited a week took it out to bond it and lo and behold the Healing went away as soon as the cursed thing bonded. I then decided to try again.... spend ages finding one that indeed had the healing on the right lore page... used one of those expensive instant bond potions on it ..... and *poof* no more healing on the list.

After that I said to hell with this (&$&$ and went back to working on CuSidhe.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

spoiler, they don't. Well, you just need to look for Lions and STT with healing under the second "lore an knowledge" where it lists bleed etc and they will then not lose that skill. I think about 1 in 8 of them have it.

You must be quite lucky that all of yours have kept it post-tame. I've tamed dozens that keep the skill because I sell them on a pet vendor. I'm not saying they all lose it. But seeing it on the lore/knowledge page pre-tame (yes, the page where it lists bleed and other abilities) does NOT mean it will still be there post-tame.

By my estimates, probably 5 out of 6 will show healing on the L/K page post-subjugation, pre-taming, and then 4 of those 5 will lose healing from the L/K page post-tame (while 1 will keep it).

 

[Cailleach]

Skills are not the same thing as lore & knowledge?

 

[Mervyn]

i have no trouble finding them with healing, i don't know what you're all talking about, you make sure it has healing in the same menu as bleed. tame it and that is it, it will keep the skill. If anyone wants one come to Europa i will get one for you.

 

[Cailleach]

In other words, you look for lore & knowledge, NOT skill.

 

[Poo]

finding them with it listed under their knowledge base isn't hard.
getting them to keep it there is the problem.

i spent a couple evenings playing with lions and STT and would watch the skill and the knowledge gain healing just to watch them loose it again.

out of all the time invested i only ever had 1 lion take healing and actually keep it.

i wish the dev's would tell us what the trick was to getting the 1:8 to actually KEEP the skill/knowledge.
until they do i wash my hands of the big cats.

 

[Cailleach]

*is still growling about having to activate necro & ss on Ossein Ram & those causing it to lose two of its specials, including the one that gave it 'bodyguard'*


If it spawns with a skill, you should not have to activate that skill for the pet to train it and doing so certainly should not in any way impact specials.

 

[cobb]

I'm ok with how things are now. The ones that keep healing will be rare and good for trading. Where is the fun if they are all the same? Some ppl enjoy collecting rare pets, so let's let them do so.

 

[Slayvite]

When first done the Lions gained Healing AFTER you started training up about half a bar.
Then they did "the patch" and after that everyone has a different opinion on how it works and No, the dev's don't know either.
They gave one post somewhere about how it works "now" and instantly they were proved wrong by posters below....that's the last they ever said on the matter.

I was doing Lions from day one...back before most even knew they gained Healing and everyone i tamed did not have Healing on it anywhere...
...not until about half a bar or training slot was filled, they it just appeared randomly (probably just a bad code mishap in the first place).

Ofcourse i will now get people telling me how i'm wrong but i don't care, i know "how" it worked before the "pet nerf patch" and like everyone else now i don't have a clue. It's just random..

 

[Pawain]

i have no trouble finding them with healing, i don't know what you're all talking about, you make sure it has healing in the same menu as bleed. tame it and that is it, it will keep the skill. If anyone wants one come to Europa i will get one for you.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. I have seen the same Lion, Saber-tooth, or Triceratops gain and lose the ability to heal multiple times. If you happen to hit a successful tame about 1 second after you hear a bandage, you usually get the healing to stick on the lore screen.

I have followed one around until it had 25 healing skill and it lost the ability while I was taming it. And you will never get healing ability on one that was tamed and released without it.

But the Devs also are clueless, they stated 1 in 6 have healing at a meet and greet.

 

[Cady]

It doesn’t make any sense that the healing skill is so fleeting on fresh lions. It took my gf and I a couple tries before the trick dawned on me, get it to heal itself, tame it(usually takes a million tries). K, then check Lore and Knowledge, healling’s Gone? Okay, release it, smack it, wait for Healing to show up on L&K screen, retame, you’ll 100% retame it and catch it at the moment it actually has healing, this 1 in 6, 1 in 8 is nonsense, once I figured out that method we got all the lions we wanted, then eventually released them all bc tigers are cooler.

 

[Mervyn]

I must be very lucky then...

 

[Mr. Smither1]

I think they can all learn healing it just takes longer for some of them gain at first. I found a triceratops with 82 phy and I spent 30 mins redlining him until healing showed on his lore.

 

[Slayvite]

You could also ask...why do Lions, STT and Triceratops have healing for in the first place?? Since when were they classed as "magical" pets and others like tigers not?

 

[Pawain]

You could also ask...why do Lions, STT and Triceratops have healing for in the first place?? Since when were they classed as "magical" pets and others like tigers not?

They have bandages on their bodies when you kill them. Tigers do not.

 

[Victim of Siege]

They have bandages on their bodies when you kill them. Tigers do not.

They're just undigested remnants from all the adventurers they ate

 

[Cady]

They have bandages on their bodies when you kill them. Tigers do not.

That explains it!

 

[Pawain]

That explains it!

I did not make the game. But mobs that have the healing ability or the potential of having the healing ability have bandages on their bodies when you kill them. Cus make a backpack with bandages in them if you don't remove the bandages from their corpse. *John Travolta Face*

Just like Trammie bodies in Fel.

 

[Victim of Siege]

I did not make the game. But mobs that have the healing ability or the potential of having the healing ability have bandages on their bodies when you kill them. Cus make a backpack with bandages in them if you don't remove the bandages from their corpse. *John Travolta Face*

Just like Trammie bodies in Fel.

you said the "T" word *scratches*

 

[Tabby Kapak]

And you will never get healing ability on one that was tamed and released without it.

This is incorrect, since we had a Lion without healing at first. Then a while later saw the threads about Lions having healing, and decided to have a go with our original Lion (since we are sentimental fools) at the trick below:

check Lore and Knowledge, healling’s Gone? Okay, release it, smack it, wait for Healing to show up on L&K screen, retame, you’ll 100% retame it and catch it at the moment it actually has healing

Exactly how we did it. Indeed it took a couple of tries, we needed 5 retames we seem to remember, which is bad for skillpoints (woe ye Pawain! lol) but otherwise no problem. Our Lion has healing up till this day. And is our main tanky pet currently.

 

[Pawain]

This is incorrect, since we had a Lion without healing at first. Then a while later saw the threads about Lions having healing, and decided to have a go with our original Lion (since we are sentimental fools) at the trick below:

Exactly how we did it. Indeed it took a couple of tries, we needed 5 retames we seem to remember, which is bad for skillpoints (woe ye Pawain! lol) but otherwise no problem. Our Lion has healing up till this day. And is our main tanky pet currently.

I saw that post also. I tried it a couple of times on a released one and they didn't regain healing. One was the one I got to 25 healing. I would have liked it to get healing again. But I killed it after it just sat at low life for minutes.

Thanks, maybe I'll try it on one that gains a bunch of points in healing.

 

[Tabby Kapak]

But I killed it after it just sat at low life for minutes.

We are not sure if they will heal unless being attacked, so what we did was to allure a Cave Troll (Wrong version) since they can take a punch yet deal very little damage. So we could have it attack the Lion until we heard the bandages (or sometimes until the health dropped too low, below 16 hp we thought risky) and we also feel the timing of taming is crucial. Still, we did it only once, so by no means feel like experts on this matter. Just sharing what we did. We guess our lion was already up to 35 healing before we got the timing right.

 

[Gnoopey]

If you do it the 'right' way - the healing should 'stick' to the pet ...

A peace bard (tamer) will make this process a lot easier. It took me some tries but now I'm pretty sure how that 'system' is working.

Can show four (4) healing enabled sabre-tooths on Europa (1), Atlantic (1) and Drachenfels (2) and am ready to demonstrate how to achieve that goal.

The process is simple but needs patience.

1. damage the wild beast until it heals itself - lore the beast often
2. if the healing skill on the "Combat Ratings" gump has increased AND if the skill is listed also on the "Lore & Knowledge" gump
3. peace the beast
4. tame the beast
5. cancel the taming attempt if the beast was able to damage you - either by biting or scratching you
6. if you got damaged - lore and verify that the beast has "lost" Healing from the "Lore & Knowledge" gump
7. go to step 1. - rinse / repeat until successful (at step 4.)

Simple! But a tad bit time consuming.

I tested this only with sabre-toothed tigers - am interested to get to know if lions and triceratops also behave like "that" - see above!

 

[Pawain]

We are not sure if they will heal unless being attacked,

That sounds right. I have noticed since my early attempts, that if they are trying to fight they heal more often.
.
Peaceing works on Lions also.

 

[Lord Arm]

*secret*, u beat it down, if u get the tame off while it is healing, then it should have healing.

 

[Pawain]

*secret*, u beat it down, if u get the tame off while it is healing, then it should have healing.

Yup, if you hit the 1 in 5 chance at that moment. The failed to tame message is more likely.